C-130 Jump

[JohnRich 4]

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it is hard to believe that they are going to let non Pro-Rated jumpers jump into a Nascar race.

Oh my gosh! Not those non pro-rated guys! Everyone knows they don't know shit from shinola, and couldn't land properly if they had the whole area all to themselves! Ohhh Nooo!

[JohnRich 4]

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Putting 100 jumpers of varying ability into an area the size of a football field is asking for problems. Staggering the opening works well when you know your team. You obviously have a little looser standards than I do Mr Rich. Go do the jump then report back.

Staggering works well when you don't know your team also. You just have to organize it properly, taking into account things like wingloading, and make sure that everyone understands the plan.

I'd be happy to do the jump, if I could get out there. No problem.

[simplyputsi 0]

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it is hard to believe that they are going to let non Pro-Rated jumpers jump into a Nascar race.

Oh my gosh! Not those non pro-rated guys! Everyone knows they don't know shit from shinola, and couldn't land properly if they had the whole area all to themselves! Ohhh Nooo!

It will just take one low # person who wants to show off to his buddies in the stands to make it an experience most would rather not see.

It's a valid argument, and the pro rating is there for a reason. Winds around a track can be shaky and low timers could have problems.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Winds around a track can be shaky and low timers could have problems.

But of course, people with pro-ratings are perfect and invincible, and never make mistakes.

I have 5,000 jumps, but no pro-rating. Does that make me unqualified to jump into a stadium?

What exactly is it about obtaining a pro-rating, by making normal jumps into a wide open field, that makes you better prepared to jump into a stadium?

Perhaps jumpers should just be judged by their experience, competence and reputation, rather than by some piece of paper issued by headquarters folks who don't know them.

There are plenty of highly-qualified people without pro-ratings. There are also some pro-rating holders who aren't that great.

Ah, but we've had this discussion several times before about what, if anything, a pro-rating really means. And I'm not going to hijack this thread to re-hash it here.

Personally, I think I would trust the organizer to handle this demo properly, whether it be all pro-rating holders or not.

I'll shut up now, and let the "gloom and doom" folks have their say.

[simplyputsi 0]

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Winds around a track can be shaky and low timers could have problems.

But of course, people with pro-ratings are perfect and invincible, and never make mistakes.

Okay, I'll shut up now, and let the "gloom and doom" folks have their way.

Nobody is saying that, but I would think a pro rating would mean the person can at least deal a little better with the situation.
I don't think all the people that jumped the fantastic 4 demo had pro ratings, I could be wrong.

anyway, like it matters. The poster of this has not answered some important questions.

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[nbblood 0]

Here is the chapter in the SIM regarding demo jumps.
http://www.uspa.org/publications/SIM/2007SIM/section7.htm

Here's what the experience requirements are:

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C. Experience and ability

Back to Section 7-1

1. Open Field and Level 1, as defined by USPA and accepted by the FAA (all of the following):

a. USPA C license or higher

b. minimum 200 jumps

c. 50 jumps within the past 12 months

d. five jumps within the previous 60 days using the samd model and size canopy to be used on the demonstration jump

2. Level 2 and Stadium, as defined by USPA and accepted by the FAA (all of the following):

a. hold the USPA PRO rating (required by the BSRs)

b. 50 jumps within the past 12 months

c. five jumps within the previous 60 days using the samd model and size canopy to be used on the demonstration jump

Here's the definition of types of demos:

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Table 7.A-Size and Definition of Landing Areas
Open Field
1. A minimum-sized area that will accommodate a landing area no less than 500,000 square feet (e.g., 750 x 750 feet, or an area with the sum total that equals 500,000 square feet)
2. Allows a jumper to drift over the spectators with sufficient altitude (250 feet) so as not to create a hazard to persons or property on the ground
3. Will accommodate landing no closer than 100 feet from the spectators
Level 1
1. An area that will accommodate a landing area no smaller than at least 250,000 square feet up to 500,000 square feet (example: 500 x 500 feet, up to 750 x 750 feet
2. Or an area with the sum total that equals 250,000 square feet, up to 500,000 square feet) with a one-sided linear crowd line
3. Allows jumpers to drift over the spectators with sufficient altitude (250 feet) so as not to create a hazard to persons or property on the ground
4. Will accommodate landing no closer than 50 feet from the spectators
5. Many Open-Field athletic areas constitute a Level 1 area.
Level 2
1. An area that will not accommodate a 250,000 square-foot landing area (500 x 500-foot area) but will allow an area no smaller than 5,000 square feet per four jumpers
2. Allows jumpers to fly under canopy no lower than 50 feet above the crowd and land no closer than 15 feet from the crowd line
3. Parachutists who certify that they will use both ram-air main and ram-air reserve parachutes will be permitted to exit over or into a congested area but not exit over an open-air assembly of people.
4. This area would require an FAA Form 7711-2 to conduct an approved demo.
Stadium
1. A Level 2 landing area smaller than 150 yards in length by 80 yards in width and bounded on two or more sides by bleachers, walls, or buildings in excess of 50 feet high
2. This area would also require an FAA Form 7711-2 to conduct an approved demonstration jump.

These are just experience requirements. There are many other requirements that need to be coordinated for a demo, i.e., notification of FAA/Air Traffic, insurance, etc.

This event does not at all sound like it is properly coordinated. I'm betting that this sounded like a good idea to someone who has no clue what goes into a demo jump.

Blues,
Nathan

If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute.

[diablopilot 2]

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I have 5,000 jumps, but no pro-rating. Does that make me unqualified to jump into a stadium?

According to the USPA, and most FAA FSDO's, yes.

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[bozo 0]

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I have 5,000 jumps, but no pro-rating. Does that make me unqualified to jump into a stadium?

According to the USPA, and most FAA FSDO's, yes.

but but.....he has 5000 jumps.

bozo
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[Bolas 5]

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I have 5,000 jumps, but no pro-rating. Does that make me unqualified to jump into a stadium?

According to the USPA, and most FAA FSDO's, yes.

[Kelso]BURN!!![Kelso]

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[diablopilot 2]

Not my intent.

John has skill, and experience, just not the "qualifications".

We have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

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[airtaxi 0]

Canceled as of 5pm 7/27/07

C-130 is here for a motion picture that is having sone parts shot over Sonoma and Napa counties
the filming starts on 8/3/07 The C-130 will be parked at Napa or Sonoma County Airports

C-130J Jump Tickets $25 ea.
Send NO money in advance!!!
Reservations only at this time!!!
8/25/2007 to 8/31/2007
C-130J on loan to us for DEMO
Jumps. Taking off from Napa
Airport California and landing
in the staging area at Indy Grand
Prix of Sonoma Infineon Raceway
Sonoma, CA. We will jump on the
2ed pass over the race track.
The first pass will let out the
American Flag Jumper with a
giant American flag. Then we
all exit with in one minute to be
the opening act of the NASCAR
Races. You get to stay and see
the race for free. Afterwards
there will be 2 chartered buses to
take us back to the Airport. The
C-130 will be available to jump
for the following 9 days if there
is enough interest. Exit will be
at 14,000 Ground Elevation is
64ft from ground to exit in 6 min.
there will be food venders available.
The jumpers with the most experance
will get to do the Demo Jump

[joe399 0]

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Canceled as of 5pm 7/27/07

C-130 is here for a motion picture that is having sone parts shot over Sonoma and Napa counties
the filming starts on 8/3/07 The C-130 will be parked at Napa or Sonoma County Airports

C-130J Jump Tickets $25 ea.
Send NO money in advance!!!
Reservations only at this time!!!
8/25/2007 to 8/31/2007
C-130J on loan to us for DEMO
Jumps. Taking off from Napa
Airport California and landing
in the staging area at Indy Grand
Prix of Sonoma Infineon Raceway
Sonoma, CA. We will jump on the
2ed pass over the race track.
The first pass will let out the
American Flag Jumper with a
giant American flag. Then we
all exit with in one minute to be
the opening act of the NASCAR
Races. You get to stay and see
the race for free. Afterwards
there will be 2 chartered buses to
take us back to the Airport. The
C-130 will be available to jump
for the following 9 days if there
is enough interest. Exit will be
at 14,000 Ground Elevation is
64ft from ground to exit in 6 min.
there will be food venders available.
The jumpers with the most experance
will get to do the Demo Jump

ok dude, now your really not making sense.

What exactly are you trying to do again?

[BillyVance 34]

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Canceled as of 5pm 7/27/07

C-130 is here for a motion picture that is having sone parts shot over Sonoma and Napa counties
the filming starts on 8/3/07 The C-130 will be parked at Napa or Sonoma County Airports

ok dude, now your really not making sense.

What exactly are you trying to do again?

He just quoted his original post and didn't place the new text in the proper location. So here is the text with the original quotes deleted.

Seems like they've cancelled the demo plans and the plane is just going to be used in a movie.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[airtaxi 0]

I will make eazy for you the producer of the movie Canceled as of 5pm 7/27/07 the extra events that they were plannig to do with the C-130 that meens no Nascar Jump NO use of the airplane when they were not filming that meen not available for the sydivers the days the C-130 is not being used by the film company the airplane will just be parked during the down time, END of this opertoonity.

they've cancelled the demo plans and the plane is just going to be used in a movie. with no access for the skydivers durring the non filming time
thats the end of that!!!

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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it is hard to believe that they are going to let non Pro-Rated jumpers jump into a Nascar race.

Oh my gosh! Not those non pro-rated guys! Everyone knows they don't know shit from shinola, and couldn't land properly if they had the whole area all to themselves! Ohhh Nooo!

The they I was referring to would be the lawyers, Nascar and or the track owners. It's not like this would be a low profile jump. I am well aware that there are non pro rated jumpers that are capable of doing a jump like this but thank you for letting your online persona shine through.

[simplyputsi 0]

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I will make eazy for you the producer of the movie Canceled as of 5pm 7/27/07 the extra events that they were plannig to do with the C-130 that meens no Nascar Jump NO use of the airplane when they were not filming that meen not available for the sydivers the days the C-130 is not being used by the film company the airplane will just be parked during the down time, END of this opertoonity.

they've cancelled the demo plans and the plane is just going to be used in a movie. with no access for the skydivers durring the non filming time
thats the end of that!!!

WOW!!!!

Says you are a pilot in your profile?? How in the fuck can that be possible!!!!!!!!!!!

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[BillyVance 34]

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WOW!!!!

Says you are a pilot in your profile?? How in the fuck can that be possible!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because he's a pilot doesn't mean he is automatically well-versed in the rules regarding high profile demo jumps. He pretty much showed that in his first post. Glad to see it cancelled before something bad happened.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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[simplyputsi 0]

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WOW!!!!

Says you are a pilot in your profile?? How in the fuck can that be possible!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because he's a pilot doesn't mean he is automatically well-versed in the rules regarding high profile demo jumps. He pretty much showed that in his first post. Glad to see it cancelled before something bad happened.

Well that isn't all I'm talking about Billy.

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[skymama 37]

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they've cancelled the demo plans and the plane is just going to be used in a movie. with no access for the skydivers durring the non filming time
thats the end of that!!!

Which kind of makes this thread pointless now.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon