Jumping in high winds

[PhreeZone 20]

Arlo is tiny, a 150 has to be a light loading since a Jedei 105 is the current canopy on her profile.

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[fudd 0]

I decided to not go on a the last load of the season because the winds seemd gusty, unstble and not safe (for me at least).
After they jumped out of the plane, the winds picked up.

I knew I made the right decision when i saw one guy with a stilleto 135 (or something simular) hanging on his frontriser and still going backwards.
No one got hurt. At least half of the load landed out and one guy just hooked down as usual. Kinda impressive, but then again. He is good...

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[Squeak 17]

Hi Phree
the 150 was in reference to my previous post that I got blown back on the 230, someone said lucky I wasn't on the 150 I was looking to buy.
That when I said, maybe it would have been better at the high loading.

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[puffdaddy 0]

But then you could have sunk in faster and clearing that Cessna at 20 ft or a low turn could have had a not so happy ending. Always nice to speculate in retrospect. I think it is the 20/20 hindsight. Anyway, glad you are OK.

Cheers

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[Iflyme 0]

The winds were extreme that weekend ... part of the big storm that pounded the west coast from Canada to Mexico ... I'm were they were gusting to 60mph or more! ... the senior jumper on the load is just a handful of jupms short of 1000 ... he should have known better -- and is paying the price now for his poor judgement. No one even landed NEAR the intended spot. I'm told by the junior jumper on the load that he was very scared on the plane, but trusted the judgement of the pilot and more experienced jumpers ... the pilot - fairly new to flying jumpers, trusted other people's judgement ... he would have stood down if he knew the how the junior jumper felt !!! This is a perfect example of knowing to trust YOUR OWN judgement ... and not go with flow, expecting that others can make safe choices for YOU!

Glad you are not too busteded up, Hovey!

[trmnljnky 0]

one would think that if the more experinced jumpers were on the ground that it would tell you something

Byron

[phil6086 0]

I went to jump at x-keys saturday to test a new slider on my new rig it's a zero p 190' Sr-71. I got my ticket and was called back to manifest after 20 minutes due to the winds at altitude. They were 60 mph. Ground winds were 15 to 20. I didn't argue with the staff just realized they new better. Good possibility of landing off that day thank god for good staff. I landed in a tree on my 14th or 15th jump broke my tail bone on 16th jump not flareing in time for ground conditions so I listen now and try to learn with an open mind i have 32 jumps now and I'm not in as big a hurry since I want to jump for the rest of my life than to risk it any more.

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[riggerrob 643]

Hint:
if the tandem masters and POPS are sitting it out, then maybe you should too.
Tandem masters cannot afford the time off work to heal and few of them have medical insurance.
All POPS have been dragged a few times and know that they heal slowly.
A popular Sunday afternoon pass time in California City is for TMs and POPS to sit on the balcony watching the the young guys get dragged through the cacti.

[free2fly 0]

Just a quick note from the jumper who broke his ankle and started all this. Everyone has something to say. Just like when a person has a cutaway and half the crowd wants to give advice on what they should have done. Suffice it to say, that some of you are right. We should not have jumped. There are a number of things that put a person into such a situation. Long time spans between jumping (winter weather), personal goals, pride, the lemming effect, and most of all stupidity. If you think that you are above all this then think again. Look back and realize how lucky you are. I don’t mean just about your skydiving but how about some of those stupid decisions during the rest of your lives. Be honest, you’ve made them. As for the future…….. I’ve learned another valuable lesson. A while ago I learned that night jumping was not for me. Now I will set my personal wind level to a much lower speed. I will probably have something to say to those who start gearing up during very marginal conditions. They must however make their own decisions and live with them. All in all I was very lucky. Eight weeks from now I can start to learn to walk again. Some short time after that I can jump again. I’m looking forward to it.

[flyangel2 2]

Sounds like the lesson was learned and you didn't have to pay too high a price. Take what you've learned and pass it on to other jumpers you see that are about to make the same mistake. I would approach those that you are teaching with kindness, since you don't know how they are going to react to your advice.
Heal fast, I just got metal out of my ankle a month ago that I had put in two years ago. Freak landing, got my foot when I was swooping in. The foot stayed and the body continued forward.
Again, take it easy and heal fast

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[riggerrob 643]

Apologies.
No attempt to ridicule on my part.
In my younger years I collected a plenty of bruises and scratches when poor judgment led me to jump in high winds.
I was just trying to help the younger jumpers learn from my bruises.

[weid14 0]

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But then you could have sunk in faster and clearing that Cessna at 20 ft or a low turn could have had a not so happy ending. Always nice to speculate in retrospect. I think it is the 20/20 hindsight. Anyway, glad you are OK.

Cheers

so why do you think you would have "sunk in faster" under a smaller canopy. Glide being equal.

[flyangel2 2]

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Apologies.
No attempt to ridicule on my part.
In my younger years I collected a plenty of bruises and scratches when poor judgment led me to jump in high winds.
I was just trying to help the younger jumpers learn from my bruises.

I too am a POP's, I guess with age comes wisdom At least I can hope I've gained some wisdom from my past mistakes.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[free2fly 0]

You are right flyangel2. The lesson was learned and hopefully I can pass on what little knowledge I have gained. As mentioned, the POPS bones and bruises don't heal as fast so I will have a lot of time for thinking. Thanks.
Also to riggerrob, I never took any ridicule out of your posting. As I know you personally, I know that that is not your style.
Hope we are all learning something all the time.

[jumpclown 0]

You need to get your facts straight before posting something such as this. If I recall you weren't even there that weekend (or any weekend in recent memory). Before putting this kind of shit on forums such as this you should take any problems you have up with the people involved.
(I realize the irony) Better yet you could take an active role in the club, or even just show up at all. At least then you would be around in order to get your shit straight. Once you stop being a danger to yourself and others, then, and only then can you start passing judgment on your fellow jumpers.
Grab a brain, grab a rig, then we'll talk.

[174fps 1]

Yea... she should be more like you
hiding behind anonimity and calling people names

[gale 0]

I'm sorry you're angry. I posted that I wasn't there. I also posted that I didn't know everything about this and only wanted it to be a warning for others. My inexperience is clearly posted in my profile. I've talked to two of the people on the load and contacted the injured party. Again, I'm sorry you found this offensive.

I'm the first one to admit that we all make mistakes. I make them too. I was trying to help remind people not to make this particular one. I won't resort to personal attacks even if you feel the need to. If you feel the need to keep insulting me, feel free to PM me.

Gale

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[billvon 2,989]

>Before putting this kind of shit on forums such as this you should take
>any problems you have up with the people involved.

This is exactly what this forum is for - to discuss issues like these so people don't need to break themselves to learn about jumping in high winds.

>Once you stop being a danger to yourself and others, then, and only then
>can you start passing judgment on your fellow jumpers.

Why do you consider the poster a danger to herself?

>Grab a brain, grab a rig, then we'll talk.

So only when she has enough experience would you be willing to talk to her? Good thing your attitude is pretty rare in this sport.

[ladyskydiver 0]

I just read through this whole thread. I do not understand why you chose to take it as a personal attack (whether you took it as geared towards you or the DZ). The whole gist of the thread I got from her was concern for her fellow jumpers - more experienced and less experienced - and a general desire to understand why someone would take the chance with high winds.

Hopefully, you were having a bad day when you posted this. Otherwise, I hope I never end up jumping with you or asking you questions. With this kind of response, you would be someone I would be terrified to ask any questions of. I'm a "newbie" - 50 jumps. I will ask stupid questions or may make posts out of wanting to understand and true concern for my fellow jumpers (and myself). If and when I make the posts and ask those questions...I hope that you do not choose to respond to my questions if your response would be similar to the one posted here.

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[Jimbo 0]

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I do not understand why you chose to take it as a personal attack (whether you took it as geared towards you or the DZ).

My guess is that he's the one who landed on the roof, at a bare minimum I'd wager that he was on the skydive she's talking about. Embarrassment makes people do strange things.

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