RSG 0 #1 October 20, 2002 OK folks I admit that our team SUCKS We are a 4way team; you can call us almost students except that each of us holds less than 200 jumps. The coach (Mr. quickly pack) never cares about anything except for the quantity of the jumps, not the quality of it, on a small helicopter, we jump more than 5 jumps in less than 2,5 hours.( I can pack my chute in less than 7 minutes !!!) . Believe it or not he did not make us improve our maneuvers at all, meaning that all the training season we just work on 4way exits. We came on to him and asked him to jump as pairs (each member with another) but he said that the best way is to exit as 4way and keep on trying to do any point. He made us so depressed when he took us to a local 4way competition and we came out with only 1 lonely point :-( What the hick is he doing ??? I am considered the next coach after him, and I don’t of him as really our coach Yesterday he was coaching someone on the DZ and he ordered all of the team members to follow him out of the exit just to make sure that we can see him doing some coaching, SHOWING OFF. Please advise me how to make things better with my colleagues members of the team. In other words: how can we do the skydiving university program with no help of our Coach?_________________________________________ R S G = Ready Set Goooooooooo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 October 20, 2002 don't sound like a coach to me. Tell him you don't want him to coach you any more - if you're not progressing, go somewhere else and save your money____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RSG 0 #3 October 20, 2002 Quote Tell him you don't want him to coach you any more - This is impossible!!! We are an almost like a military demo team, and he is the only one certified to coach or be an instructor here. I am trying to have my instructor's license but sadly it will take time. _________________________________________ R S G = Ready Set Goooooooooo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #4 October 20, 2002 Well if you can not find someone experianced to help there is a really great training video by Arizona Airspeed called "Skydive University 4'99". I believe it cost around $100 for it, bt it is a really great training tool. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #5 October 21, 2002 Quote Quote Tell him you don't want him to coach you any more - This is impossible!!! We are an almost like a military demo team, and he is the only one certified to coach or be an instructor here. I am trying to have my instructor's license but sadly it will take time. no, I don't believe its impossible as I know of a few US coaches that have gone to Saudi and coached over there. You're using a helicopter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 #6 October 21, 2002 If you are almost military, are you democratic? Power in numbers, have a team get together and voice your opinions 3 to 1. It may not get rid of him, but at least you will all know what you are all thinking. Good luck! We defend democracy - we do not practice it on this team! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RSG 0 #7 October 21, 2002 Quoteno, I don't believe its impossible as I know of a few US coaches that have gone to Saudi and coached over there. You're using a helicopter? _________________________________________ R S G = Ready Set Goooooooooo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 October 21, 2002 It could be worse, you could e getting couched by a Mininac... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puffdaddy 0 #9 October 21, 2002 Send me a private massage. I know a Australian guy with 20 years of skydiving behind him. You might have jumped with him in KSA. I am sure that he would be glad to assists and he is living in Saudi. As an alternative come and join us here over the weekends in Umm Al Quwain, UAE. The new caravan will be here this week. Blue Skies Tallies " You have never lived until you've almost died, and for those who has experienced it, life has a flavour the protected would never understand" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #10 October 21, 2002 >It could be worse, you could e getting couched by a Mininac... Well that one was surely lost on him...RSG: On the matter being discussed here; Sounds like your team would be better off by yourselves, with no coach at all... And what kind of rating system do you have there? If your all licensed jumpers, why does it have to be a rated coach? Couldn't you just ask advice from anyone who knows something about FS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #11 October 21, 2002 Fortunately there are plenty of coaching videos and textbooks. You guys should try reading these books in the evenings, when your coach is not around. The trick will be quietly ignoring him on the DZ while you work through the exercises from the coaching video. Maybe your alibi can be "We meant to launch the 4-way - like you told us - but Abdul missed the exit count, so Bill and I just turned 2-way until break-off." Many 4-way problems are easily solved by doing 2-way or 3-way drill dives. Once you get good at 2-way exercises, then you can put the 4-way back together. As for a coach who only cares about numbers, well, he is not much of a coach. Maybe his boss is impressed with numbers, but does not understand quality. And it sounds like your team is just repeating mistakes. Repeating mistakes only teaches you how to repeat mistakes. Perhaps your coach is an "uncoscious competant" , who learned everything by trial and error, and expects you to do the same. Judging by your scores, you are not learning, just repeating old mistakes. Maybe your coach has so much natural skill, that he does not have to think through maneuvers. In otherwords, just because he is a top-notch skydiver does not mean that he knows how to teach/coach. Since he has never had to think through a maneuver, he cannot describe the maneuver to anyone else. Fortunately, there are dozens of decent coaches working in Europe, Australia and North America who would be glad to work with your team. I would even offer, if I was any good at 4-way. Another major coaching aid is video. I don't know how your team is funded, but even if the video cameraman just sits in the doorway, he can help you with feedback. Some people stubbornly refuse to admit to making mistakes, until they see their mistake on video, then they quickly change their ways. If you are fortunate to have a decent freefall videographer, then a coach can view the video from thousands of miles away and give you tips on how to improve performance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
