Calvin19 0 #451 October 26, 2010 Quote Quote edited for a more arrogant tone Literally laughed aloud when I read this. Excellent. someone got it. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #452 October 26, 2010 I managed to do something similar: I got my wrist stuck in the excess brake line/triple riser part of a borrowed spectre 135, on the World Team '06 960 skydivers mass demo jump Now I was used to triple risers, and the brakes although awfully long were stowed I'm sure. I'm very much not sure about how I managed to get my wrist in there, and the knot was pretty tight. I didn't chop it because that would have involved cutting line and maybe riser of a canopy that was not mine, also it flared if I moved my arm out sideways Landed out though, because flying in more brakes than it already was as i needed to to make it to the big landing field hurt too much, the canopy pulling on the one line around my wrist. Can you tell my right arm is stuck? 5th picture down on the right. OK, I pretty much suck at demo jumping ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdatc 0 #453 November 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteI've yet to see a better method (elastic wears and stop holding, binding tape loops don't hold all sizes of line securely, and looping them through the riser tops makes this type of deployment knot event worse.) The Vector's pinned toggles work great. Just run the excess through the loops on back of the risers and then put the pins through them and into the riser. The excess can't get out. On my sabre2 there's just enough excess... but on some canopies like spectres there can be too much and it might still be possible to reach through the excess when unstowing the brakes. Dave I have a couple Vectors. It (pin toggles) worked well on my Crossfire 2 119 rig with the excess. On my storm 120 rig, it (the excess) is long enough to reach through... Murphy's law.... I did it on my second jump on the canopy, locked it at half brake input, and landed it on rears.... not fun. Being current, having a lot of experience with 7 cells, and a good plf made it work. However, it was one time I regretted jumping in my sandals... Now I choose to not use the pin to stow any excess and am more careful in the release of my toggles. _justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #454 November 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI've yet to see a better method (elastic wears and stop holding, binding tape loops don't hold all sizes of line securely, and looping them through the riser tops makes this type of deployment knot event worse.) The Vector's pinned toggles work great. Just run the excess through the loops on back of the risers and then put the pins through them and into the riser. The excess can't get out. On my sabre2 there's just enough excess... but on some canopies like spectres there can be too much and it might still be possible to reach through the excess when unstowing the brakes. Dave I have a couple Vectors. It (pin toggles) worked well on my Crossfire 2 119 rig with the excess. On my storm 120 rig, it (the excess) is long enough to reach through... Murphy's law.... I did it on my second jump on the canopy, locked it at half brake input, and landed it on rears.... not fun. Being current, having a lot of experience with 7 cells, and a good plf made it work. However, it was one time I regretted jumping in my sandals... Now I choose to not use the pin to stow any excess and am more careful in the release of my toggles. _justin From the Vector 3 Manual (pg 64, stowing main toggles): QuoteWe no longer recommend passing the pin through the excess brake line as shown below."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miconar 0 #455 November 4, 2010 Quote From the Vector 3 Manual (pg 64, stowing main toggles): QuoteWe no longer recommend passing the pin through the excess brake line as shown below. Why is that? And how is it recommended to do them now? Thanks :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sniper1rfa 0 #456 November 4, 2010 Newbie here, going to throw my hat in the ring... At SNE this summer we had a skyvan for a day or two, and I boogied up there for a chance to jump from a tailgate plane. Got on a load for my 12th jump or so, IIRC, and obviously wanted to do a giant cannonball for my first tailgate jump. Got out, felt awesome about the exit, then got belly down and checked my alti, which was now hanging by the loop on one finger. For some reason I grabbed it with my other hand, waited until I was below the cloud deck, then chucked it and pulled. I was under canopy at something like 7000ft with no altimeter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #457 November 4, 2010 Quote Newbie here, going to throw my hat in the ring... At SNE this summer we had a skyvan for a day or two, and I boogied up there for a chance to jump from a tailgate plane. Got on a load for my 12th jump or so, IIRC, and obviously wanted to do a giant cannonball for my first tailgate jump. Got out, felt awesome about the exit, then got belly down and checked my alti, which was now hanging by the loop on one finger. For some reason I grabbed it with my other hand, waited until I was below the cloud deck, then chucked it and pulled. I was under canopy at something like 7000ft with no altimeter. While you might get some good-natured grief over loosing it, and ways to hold on to it, I congratulate you on doing the most important part. In-air-rigging is an easy way to loose track of time/altitude. As you gain experience and a better internal clock, you'll see ways to have kept it, but at this stage you did the right thing IMHO. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sniper1rfa 0 #458 November 4, 2010 :) In hindsight, of course, I see better ways to deal with the same situation, so i don't think it was the correct decision - merely not the worst decision. For example, I could easily have transferred it to the other hand before pulling, in which case i would've been under a good canopy with an altimeter, or under a bad canopy with a much more compelling reason to ditch it. Ah well. I'm here still! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #459 November 4, 2010 You weren't the first... you won't be the last. Always remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #460 November 5, 2010 Quote In-air-rigging is an easy way to loose track of time/altitude. tell me about it -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #461 November 5, 2010 I don't see the problem. All you had to do was: - pull on that cable over there - move that link from here to there - unscrew the barrel of the rapide link - slide the risers over your head - elbow the reserve out of the tray and Viola! I mean, geez....you had about 4K to work with, right? Glad you're still with us, eh? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #462 November 5, 2010 Assuming for the moment that the photo wasn't 'shopped... WTF!!! JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ksudiver87 0 #463 November 5, 2010 On jump 2 I almost cut away because my slider wouldn't go UP...decided not too since I could steer and flare....yaaaaa my instructor had a good laugh ~Always do stupid things safely~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #464 November 5, 2010 Quote On jump 2 I almost cut away because my slider wouldn't go UP...decided not too since I could steer and flare....yaaaaa my instructor had a good laugh Hate to say it, but its been done... Reportedly landed a nervous wreck because the they had the exact same condition on the reserve!! Glad it worked out for you. Kept your head about you.JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hvance 0 #465 November 5, 2010 Quote Quote On jump 2 I almost cut away because my slider wouldn't go UP...decided not too since I could steer and flare....yaaaaa my instructor had a good laugh Hate to say it, but its been done... Reportedly landed a nervous wreck because the they had the exact same condition on the reserve!! Glad it worked out for you. Kept your head about you.JW I can see it. Still funny. I wish Google Maps had an "Avoid Ghetto" routing option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #466 November 5, 2010 Quote I don't see the problem. All you had to do was: - pull on that cable over there - move that link from here to there - unscrew the barrel of the rapide link - slide the risers over your head - elbow the reserve out of the tray and Viola! I mean, geez....you had about 4K to work with, right? Glad you're still with us, eh? no big deal. I just pulled the cutaway on the Y-bridal and held the rope in a track to an open area where I could find it and dropped it at about 2500, continued track and dumped at 2000. plenty of time. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #467 November 5, 2010 >Assuming for the moment that the photo wasn't 'shopped... He was rappelling off someone. Way back when we used to do that for fun. I'd do a Mr. Bill with someone wearing a student rig. After opening I'd clip into his chest strap and rappel down about 150 feet. Then he'd turn and swing me on the end of the rope. Was an interesting experience. Then I'd just rappel off the end of the rope, open, and he'd drop the rope just before he landed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #468 November 5, 2010 Quote>Assuming for the moment that the photo wasn't 'shopped... He was rappelling off someone. Way back when we used to do that for fun. I'd do a Mr. Bill with someone wearing a student rig. After opening I'd clip into his chest strap and rappel down about 150 feet. Then he'd turn and swing me on the end of the rope. Was an interesting experience. Then I'd just rappel off the end of the rope, open, and he'd drop the rope just before he landed. Actually... that sounds fun!! JAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #469 November 5, 2010 So THAT'S where the name "Mr. Bill" came from. Think about how many heads now have that idea in them. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #470 November 5, 2010 Quote >Assuming for the moment that the photo wasn't 'shopped... He was rappelling off someone. Way back when we used to do that for fun. I'd do a Mr. Bill with someone wearing a student rig. After opening I'd clip into his chest strap and rappel down about 150 feet. Then he'd turn and swing me on the end of the rope. Was an interesting experience. Then I'd just rappel off the end of the rope, open, and he'd drop the rope just before he landed. yeah? YEAH?!!! My team and I are doing it from JVX 79s and 85s. sustained vertical speed of 100mph. It takes a pretty keen pilot to even hold a heading at that loading and speed (5.1/1). not to mention the deployment. I built a complete system that makes this pretty safe to the savvy user. auto-release systems and backups everywhere. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #471 November 5, 2010 I dunno... Exactly how much recoil is there in that strap you're about to release in the direction of his nuts??!!!!!(does look like fun right up to that point) I understand that doing this with a bungee makes the recoil issue a BIG problem. JW Always remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #472 November 6, 2010 Quote I dunno... Exactly how much recoil is there in that strap you're about to release in the direction of his nuts??!!!!!(does look like fun right up to that point) I understand that doing this with a bungee makes the recoil issue a BIG problem. JW Recoil is absolutely no issue. I have done this from several different aircraft besides a parachute. I have used anything from woven HTP to low impact force 11mm dynamic rope. One just have to know the equipment and how to use it. (and to change the rigging on the spot) [And have a really good canopy pilot]Bungee recoil is a different story but easily controllable. Stuff like this becomes a genuinely bad idea when people "just tie it to the chest strap" and rely on rappelling off the end for release. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManagingPrime 0 #473 November 6, 2010 QuoteAssuming for the moment that the photo wasn't 'shopped... WTF!!! JW +999 EDIT: After reading what was really going on....Daaaaayyyyuum! Crazy stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #474 November 6, 2010 QuoteI have done this from several different aircraft besides a parachute. Back in the day I repelled out of a Howard DGA. Took 2 raps around the wing strut and handed the end to the pilot. Snapped in with figure 8 plate and away I went. The idea was to play super man for awhile and then repel off the end. On landing the pilot could let go of the rope and it would fall clear. Well that was the plan. When I came off the end of the rope the loose end beat the crap out of me and left me with a split lip. When the pilot let go of the rope it stayed with the plane and turned into 125 feet of garbage. Sometimes it not your day. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #475 November 6, 2010 Quote I built a complete system that makes this pretty safe to the savvy user. auto-release systems and backups everywhere. Right on!! What could possibly go wrong?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
