Fatality Page

[AndyMan 7]

Doh! I was reading it backwards!
But still. April 7, it's currently June, and we've lost a lot of friends since then.
It's not like these are airplane accidents that take monthes of FAA investigation to figure out a cause. A no-pull is a no no-pull. Striking the side of the plane on a crw jump, is striking the side of a plane without a cypres.
I say again, unless Barry (or someone else) is going to step up and do this, then we should.
_Am
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[sangiro 25]

Heya all,
Quick update. I'm still looking at this and have started to make a few inquiries. I was hoping that the USPA would be willing to share some of the information, even at the level that it's published in Parachutist but here's what I got from Jim Crouch:

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Unfortunately we cannot provide the information for your website. We have clear guidance from the USPA Board of Directors that any information we receive must be kept within HQ and not released to the public, even if the specific names and locations are taken out of the report. The only exception for that rule is when USPA removes the specific information regarding the incident for publishing in Parachutist, as space allows.
Jim Crouch
Director of Safety and Training
United States Parachute Association

I think "unfortunately" is the operative word here. It is unfortunate especially in the light of the fact that the NTSB for example doesn't seem to have a problem sharing information on aircraft accidents online for others to learn from. The only alternative really is to build it in the way Barry has done, by taking reports from the public.
Safe swoops
Sangiro

[pilotdave 0]

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The only alternative really is to build it in the way Barry has done, by taking reports from the public.

The word about accidents spreads fast (although full of rumors and mistakes). Seems like every time there's an accident SOMEBODY here on dropzone.com has the details though. I think you could get far better info from the public than from the USPA anyway. If it sounds like too much work to maintain the page, I'm sure you could get some knowledgable volunteers to help or maybe team up with another website. I definitely think it would be a valuable addition to dropzone.com so I hope you go ahead with it.
Dave
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[Deuce 1]

Please set it up. Learning from the actions of others helps (me at least) to not repeat the mistakes of the past.
JP

[kallend 2,026]

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I think "unfortunately" is the operative word here. It is unfortunate especially in the light of the fact that
the NTSB for example doesn't seem to have a problem sharing information on aircraft accidents online for
others to learn from. The only alternative really is to build it in the way Barry has done, by taking reports
from the public.

NTSB data are privileged - they cannot be used as evidence in a civil lawsuit. The same does not apply to any information possessed by USPA. I'm fairly sure that's why NTSB has no problem publishing everything and USPA is cagey about it.

[billvon 2,990]

>I say again, unless Barry (or someone else) is going to step up and do this, then
>we should.
Are you willing to head this up, Andy? If you could compile the reports, I could get them into a standardized format here.
-bill von

[alan 1]

I would like to see it. Cold hard facts, as many as are available. No sanitizing or politically correct catch phrases. Inculde all available,verifyable information that is relevant.
alan

[AndyMan 7]

***Are you willing to head this up, Andy? If you could compile the reports, I could get them into a standardized format here.***
I would donate server space or money, but time is something I won't have much of this summer.
_Am
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[billvon 2,990]

>I would donate server space or money, but time is something I won't have much
> of this summer.
Well, see, that's the thing. It's a service that everyone wants but few are willing to spend the time to do. In addition, I think it would not be a good job for someone who _doesnt't_ jump a lot i.e. has a lot of time.
And if you do do it? You will get a lot of shit. I've gotten threats of violence against me for reporting incidents - incidents that I saw firsthand! But according to his friends, of course, "I don't know jack shit about him, so you got no right to say anything." So I'm pretty careful now when I do report incidents, and I try not to report secondhand info (it's usually distorted anyway.) Given that 90% of the incidents over the past few months are going to be secondhand to any given reporter, they will need a thick skin at the very least.

[AndyMan 7]

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Well, see, that's the thing. It's a service that everyone wants but few are willing to spend the time to do. In addition, I think it would not be a good job for someone who _doesnt't_ jump a lot i.e. has a lot of time.

Ok. This is important, and if nobody else is going to do it, then I guess I will step up to it.
HH? Your site or mine?
_Am
"I wanna be a canopy nazi " - rhino

[caseyusa 0]

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Or since Barry already has the fatality page why not concentrate on a nonfatal incident page. I think we can learn a lot from them.
Blue Skies,
D

Definitely a good idea!

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