mjosparky 4 #26 December 25, 2003 QuoteI guess he had seen the surgery scar on my lower back the day before and figured I was his man for packing!! That's why you fly that way, now I understand.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #27 December 25, 2003 QuoteThat's why you fly that way, now I understand. *** ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcordkid 0 #28 January 14, 2004 snyder died june 1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites alexptx 0 #29 October 1, 2011 The first baton pass in North America in Abbotsford, BC however it was James Pearson and Lyle Hoffman that made that pass. The French made the first baton pass and after that everyone in the US was trying to figure out how to do it. The attempts were always made with 1 person exiting and the 2nd person delaying a few seconds before they jumped. There was not a big understanding of how to fly your body back then so each attempt was really the 2 people passing each other like freight trains. The night before the 1st successful attempt my father, James Pearson, and Lyle were sitting in a bar discussing how to possibly make a successful attempt and came up with the bright idea of not delaying between exits and jumping out together. This was at the Abbotsford airshow and they were doing a demonstration jump so they took a self fashioned baton up with them (not telling anyone about the attempt) and attempted what turned out to be the first successful baton pass in North America. Snyder and Hilliard were the first to make a successful baton pass in the US but not the first Americans to do so. There was a reprint in Parachutist a few years ago of a letter my dad had written to a journalist detailing the entire thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CazmoDee 3 #30 October 1, 2011 I've seen a few of these around, but none as pretty as mine! Thank you Steve Snyder Enterprises Inc. Oh, and you too Pop!I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,362 #31 October 1, 2011 Hi alex, Quote This was at the Abbotsford airshow No to argue with you but I always understood it was at the US National Championships that were being held at Abbotsford. When I first joined PCA in 1964 ( later to be called USPA ) one of the first things I got in the mail was the '63 fatality reports. Two guys decided to do a baton pass, the 'attacker' held the baton & 'closed' on the receiver. Well, things did not go so good as the 'attacker' jabbed the baton right through the receiver's jugular and killed him outright. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nt8us 0 #32 October 1, 2011 snyder and hilliard made the first U.S. baton pass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Krip 2 #33 October 2, 2011 Quote Hi Jerry Quote When I first joined PCA in 1964 ( later to be called USPA ) one of the first things I got in the mail was the '63 fatality reports. Two guys decided to do a baton pass, the 'attacker' held the baton & 'closed' on the receiver. Well, things did not go so good as the 'attacker' jabbed the baton right through the receiver's jugular and killed him outright. Quote Yikes!!! I wonder if that was where the term "Combat RW " came from. R. One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites alexptx 0 #34 October 2, 2011 Jerry, Thanks for the comment on my post. I do have a letter my father wrote to a journalist at the time about that first North American baton pass that was reprinted in Parachutist in the August 1991 issue. I just tracked the article down and you were closer to right than I was. The first baton pass in North America was made in Abbotsford spring of 1958 during the US Team tryouts for the World Competition. The baton pass was made during the last day of the tryouts which had been designated airshow day with mostly demonstration jumping planned for the day. My dad and Lyle Hoffman were given the "Attempted Baton Pass" event as their demo jump for the day. Lyle cut a 14 inch piece of tent pole and wrapped it with green and yellow plastic tape. There are lots of postings of misinformation about the baton pass Jim Pearson and Lyle Hoffman made as well as the one made 2 months later by Steve Snyder and Charlie Hillard in Fort Bragg, NC. Funny what a big deal it was back then when the concept of relative work was so new when today we teach students in a matter of relatively few jumps to perform RW and head down flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #35 October 3, 2011 these baton passes would be a milestone of the transformation of parachuting into skydiving scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,362 #36 October 3, 2011 Hi alex, When I got into this parachute thingy, we were still 'doing' baton passes. Uh, let me make that 'we were attempting' to do baton passes. You would be amazed at the 'discussions' that we had Saturday nights down at the tavern about the baton. Would a packing paddle work or would the flat side, if turned wrong, make you turn in the wrong direction? Would a wooden dowel work; if so, what would be too big or too small? And on and on it when; 'Hey, how about another beer over here?' JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Krip 2 #37 October 3, 2011 Hi Jerry Based on the Baton Pass from Hell I don't think a skinny dowel would be a good ideaDiscussions? Was the beer joint closer than the wind tunnelR. R. One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ripcordkid 0 #28 January 14, 2004 snyder died june 1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexptx 0 #29 October 1, 2011 The first baton pass in North America in Abbotsford, BC however it was James Pearson and Lyle Hoffman that made that pass. The French made the first baton pass and after that everyone in the US was trying to figure out how to do it. The attempts were always made with 1 person exiting and the 2nd person delaying a few seconds before they jumped. There was not a big understanding of how to fly your body back then so each attempt was really the 2 people passing each other like freight trains. The night before the 1st successful attempt my father, James Pearson, and Lyle were sitting in a bar discussing how to possibly make a successful attempt and came up with the bright idea of not delaying between exits and jumping out together. This was at the Abbotsford airshow and they were doing a demonstration jump so they took a self fashioned baton up with them (not telling anyone about the attempt) and attempted what turned out to be the first successful baton pass in North America. Snyder and Hilliard were the first to make a successful baton pass in the US but not the first Americans to do so. There was a reprint in Parachutist a few years ago of a letter my dad had written to a journalist detailing the entire thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CazmoDee 3 #30 October 1, 2011 I've seen a few of these around, but none as pretty as mine! Thank you Steve Snyder Enterprises Inc. Oh, and you too Pop!I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #31 October 1, 2011 Hi alex, Quote This was at the Abbotsford airshow No to argue with you but I always understood it was at the US National Championships that were being held at Abbotsford. When I first joined PCA in 1964 ( later to be called USPA ) one of the first things I got in the mail was the '63 fatality reports. Two guys decided to do a baton pass, the 'attacker' held the baton & 'closed' on the receiver. Well, things did not go so good as the 'attacker' jabbed the baton right through the receiver's jugular and killed him outright. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nt8us 0 #32 October 1, 2011 snyder and hilliard made the first U.S. baton pass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #33 October 2, 2011 Quote Hi Jerry Quote When I first joined PCA in 1964 ( later to be called USPA ) one of the first things I got in the mail was the '63 fatality reports. Two guys decided to do a baton pass, the 'attacker' held the baton & 'closed' on the receiver. Well, things did not go so good as the 'attacker' jabbed the baton right through the receiver's jugular and killed him outright. Quote Yikes!!! I wonder if that was where the term "Combat RW " came from. R. One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexptx 0 #34 October 2, 2011 Jerry, Thanks for the comment on my post. I do have a letter my father wrote to a journalist at the time about that first North American baton pass that was reprinted in Parachutist in the August 1991 issue. I just tracked the article down and you were closer to right than I was. The first baton pass in North America was made in Abbotsford spring of 1958 during the US Team tryouts for the World Competition. The baton pass was made during the last day of the tryouts which had been designated airshow day with mostly demonstration jumping planned for the day. My dad and Lyle Hoffman were given the "Attempted Baton Pass" event as their demo jump for the day. Lyle cut a 14 inch piece of tent pole and wrapped it with green and yellow plastic tape. There are lots of postings of misinformation about the baton pass Jim Pearson and Lyle Hoffman made as well as the one made 2 months later by Steve Snyder and Charlie Hillard in Fort Bragg, NC. Funny what a big deal it was back then when the concept of relative work was so new when today we teach students in a matter of relatively few jumps to perform RW and head down flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #35 October 3, 2011 these baton passes would be a milestone of the transformation of parachuting into skydiving scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #36 October 3, 2011 Hi alex, When I got into this parachute thingy, we were still 'doing' baton passes. Uh, let me make that 'we were attempting' to do baton passes. You would be amazed at the 'discussions' that we had Saturday nights down at the tavern about the baton. Would a packing paddle work or would the flat side, if turned wrong, make you turn in the wrong direction? Would a wooden dowel work; if so, what would be too big or too small? And on and on it when; 'Hey, how about another beer over here?' JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #37 October 3, 2011 Hi Jerry Based on the Baton Pass from Hell I don't think a skinny dowel would be a good ideaDiscussions? Was the beer joint closer than the wind tunnelR. R. One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
