bnacrazywoman 0 #76 November 2, 2003 Actually, when you land on a cloud you just gather up your chute, run to the edge and jump. Kinda like two jumps for the price of one. Try not to breathe while doing this or you'll get acid rain stuck in your lungs. Crazywoman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #77 November 20, 2003 QuoteThe way I heard it was the Russians did just before WWII when they invaded Finland. The Fins started painting the rocks white and the Russians stopped it. I can say with confidence that this is complete BS. I've never seen or heard it mentioned in anything regarding the Finland-Soviet war. I've heard the legend before, but not the 'painting rocks' bit. If it has been done, it probably wasn't a very widespread(or long lasting) practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelflying 0 #78 November 20, 2003 we can only wishwww.skydivekzn.co.za Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #79 November 20, 2003 Quote I answer the whuffos by saying "walk towards the white light". Perhaps telling them to track towards the white light might be technically more accurate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelflying 0 #80 November 20, 2003 Hope it is not the head lamps of a boeing 747www.skydivekzn.co.za Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #81 November 21, 2003 I guess the outcome would be the same.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #82 November 21, 2003 funny how lots of wuffos dont realize there is a reserve chute. and cant believe we can steer parachutes. or move around in freefall. and they all think they whole way down you get the same feeling you get from a rollercoaster. or when you say "chop" they think you have an axe or pair of scissors up there and actually "cut" it away. -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawndiver 0 #83 November 23, 2003 We used to tell whuffos that you had to hold your breath in freefall to keep the windblast from blowing out your lungs, and that we jumped in groups so someone would be there to pull your ripcord in case you passed out from lack of oxygen!! Shawn_________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wilmshurst 0 #84 November 26, 2003 What do you do if your parachute fails? --> Think rubber I very much like "cut away and track for the peas" The only thing worse than a cold toilet seat is a warm toilet seat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KolibrieLinda 0 #85 November 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteOne I have heard often over many years is skydivers surviving impact in freefall without any "nylon" out. I only know of one confirmed one from WW2 where a British bomber crew member survived by hittting large trees and there was a lot of snow on the ground. He was badly injured so. I saw an interview with him. http://www.manbottle.com/trivia/Terminal_Velocity.htm_answer.htm It seems, that most people who survived all landed in snow. What's that got to do with it?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KolibrieLinda 0 #86 December 1, 2003 QuoteThis is one reply we used when asked about a double malfunction or not pulling. We get the shotgun out the office and shoot you before impact, that way it's not a skydiving accident it's a hunting accident. cool Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites YahooLV 0 #87 December 5, 2003 I would say that without a doubt the most pervasive myth in skydiving is that you can't breathe in freefall. Well, while watching an internation program on TV, the "object" of the story was training with a french team, and was told (seemingly in jest, that "skydivers do not need to breathe in freefall as the oxygen is forced through the skin." Well, and the end of the show...... A written factoid was written decribing that very thought! Proves: some people will believe anything.http://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #88 December 6, 2003 "§ 91.211 Supplemental oxygen. (a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry -- (1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more than 30 minutes duration; (2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those altitudes; and (3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental oxygen. Jumpers don't have to use the O2, it simply must be available. Here is CO, jumps are made all the time from 17,500 MSL and no one uses O2. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #89 December 9, 2003 QuoteHere is CO, jumps are made all the time from 17,500 MSL and no one uses O2. Except for the people that had too much to drink the night before Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites darkwing 5 #90 December 9, 2003 Quote Here is CO, jumps are made all the time from 17,500 MSL and no one uses O2. Living at 5,000 feet gives you an advantage. I hope that sea-level visitors are encouraged to use O2, rather than succumb to the peer pressure of the locals. 17,500 is definitely a problem for many people, certainly me, even young, healthy ones. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #91 December 9, 2003 QuoteLiving at 5,000 feet gives you an advantage. I hope that sea-level visitors are encouraged to use O2, rather than succumb to the peer pressure of the locals. 17,500 is definitely a problem for many people, certainly me, even young, healthy ones. I haven't seen a jumpship in CO where everyone on board could use O2. The only people I've seen use it is the pilot and one TI. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfree 0 #92 December 29, 2003 I can't believe that everyone missed the "perfectly good airplane" that all whuffos seem to have knowledge of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dustin19d 0 #93 January 3, 2004 Holly crap, you people had me rolling on the floor busting a gut with these posts. THANK YOU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RTB 0 #94 January 5, 2004 QuoteI don't know if this is an "urban legend" or real, but years ago I heard a story about a guy that wanted to film (this was before video) cats in freefall. The way I heard it, he had some cats in a box and released them after exit. Either through desperation or natural coordination, the cats got to him in freefall and dug their claws in. According to the story, the guy got torn up by the cat claws during opening, but the cats all hung on and ran like hell after he landed. I heard this story years before "The Man who Loved Cat Chasing" was published in Skydiving magazine, so this wasn't a regurgitated version of that story. If this really happened, I'd love to see the film!!! Walt Believe it or not but studies have been made on what cats do when falling. If they fall from 2-3 stories high they have their legs below them and risk getting hurt by their own legs on landing. From higher altitudes they reach terminal, about 100 km/h, and spread their legs to the sides, thus presenting as large a area as possible. On impact they risk breaking the jaw, but usually can survive. I wish people had that ability to survive terminal velocity impact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #95 January 6, 2004 No matter how hard you try, you cannot baptize a cat...or throw it out of an airplane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #96 January 6, 2004 I note that in all other forums Mr. Booth speeks with an air of authority that comes from experiance. It is this experiance that puts peoples concerns at ease as they give weight to his knowledge. In this instance however, it is the note of experiance in his post that concerns me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #97 January 6, 2004 Sometimes I'd like to have a more colorful past than I actually do. I've just heard stories of people trying to throw a cat out of an airplane, I haven't actually tried. By the way, the cat always won. Dogs, on the other hand, will willingly jump static line or tandem. They just want to go where ever you go, by any means possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #98 January 6, 2004 You need to read "Bedtime Stories for Skydivers"Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skypuppy 1 #99 January 7, 2004 It's so long since I read this whole thread thru that these might actually have been mentioned, but I recall a couple to do with bad neighbors - one was of a dz flying their plane over a Farmer McNasty's one nite and dynamiting his barn???? Another urban myth I heard was of some jumpers who were doing a demo at a mall one time throwing a dummy out without a parachute from 500' into a corn field across the road... The legend had it that a spectator watching suffered a heart attack and died... Anyone else ever heard that one?> Then there's the one about chickens...If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Roel 0 #100 January 11, 2004 QuoteOk all you peeps, I am sure there are lots of Urban myths to do with skydiving, So who knows some good uns, if nothing else they make for good stories for the wuffos, lol In our DZ we take a ride with a van from the landing area to back to the hangar. Every once in a while we find a group of tandempassengers (in fluorescent yellow jumpsuits) waiting for it trying to get rid of the pressure on their ears by jumping up and down while holding their ankles. They are told by the 1 person in the entire DZ they trust (TM) that it is a very effective way of clearing their ears. Whenever we walk up we ask them if they have trouble with their ears. They all agree it's improving after a few tries... - - - - - - - - - We do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing! 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KolibrieLinda 0 #86 December 1, 2003 QuoteThis is one reply we used when asked about a double malfunction or not pulling. We get the shotgun out the office and shoot you before impact, that way it's not a skydiving accident it's a hunting accident. cool Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YahooLV 0 #87 December 5, 2003 I would say that without a doubt the most pervasive myth in skydiving is that you can't breathe in freefall. Well, while watching an internation program on TV, the "object" of the story was training with a french team, and was told (seemingly in jest, that "skydivers do not need to breathe in freefall as the oxygen is forced through the skin." Well, and the end of the show...... A written factoid was written decribing that very thought! Proves: some people will believe anything.http://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #88 December 6, 2003 "§ 91.211 Supplemental oxygen. (a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry -- (1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more than 30 minutes duration; (2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those altitudes; and (3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental oxygen. Jumpers don't have to use the O2, it simply must be available. Here is CO, jumps are made all the time from 17,500 MSL and no one uses O2. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #89 December 9, 2003 QuoteHere is CO, jumps are made all the time from 17,500 MSL and no one uses O2. Except for the people that had too much to drink the night before Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #90 December 9, 2003 Quote Here is CO, jumps are made all the time from 17,500 MSL and no one uses O2. Living at 5,000 feet gives you an advantage. I hope that sea-level visitors are encouraged to use O2, rather than succumb to the peer pressure of the locals. 17,500 is definitely a problem for many people, certainly me, even young, healthy ones. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #91 December 9, 2003 QuoteLiving at 5,000 feet gives you an advantage. I hope that sea-level visitors are encouraged to use O2, rather than succumb to the peer pressure of the locals. 17,500 is definitely a problem for many people, certainly me, even young, healthy ones. I haven't seen a jumpship in CO where everyone on board could use O2. The only people I've seen use it is the pilot and one TI. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfree 0 #92 December 29, 2003 I can't believe that everyone missed the "perfectly good airplane" that all whuffos seem to have knowledge of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin19d 0 #93 January 3, 2004 Holly crap, you people had me rolling on the floor busting a gut with these posts. THANK YOU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RTB 0 #94 January 5, 2004 QuoteI don't know if this is an "urban legend" or real, but years ago I heard a story about a guy that wanted to film (this was before video) cats in freefall. The way I heard it, he had some cats in a box and released them after exit. Either through desperation or natural coordination, the cats got to him in freefall and dug their claws in. According to the story, the guy got torn up by the cat claws during opening, but the cats all hung on and ran like hell after he landed. I heard this story years before "The Man who Loved Cat Chasing" was published in Skydiving magazine, so this wasn't a regurgitated version of that story. If this really happened, I'd love to see the film!!! Walt Believe it or not but studies have been made on what cats do when falling. If they fall from 2-3 stories high they have their legs below them and risk getting hurt by their own legs on landing. From higher altitudes they reach terminal, about 100 km/h, and spread their legs to the sides, thus presenting as large a area as possible. On impact they risk breaking the jaw, but usually can survive. I wish people had that ability to survive terminal velocity impact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #95 January 6, 2004 No matter how hard you try, you cannot baptize a cat...or throw it out of an airplane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #96 January 6, 2004 I note that in all other forums Mr. Booth speeks with an air of authority that comes from experiance. It is this experiance that puts peoples concerns at ease as they give weight to his knowledge. In this instance however, it is the note of experiance in his post that concerns me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #97 January 6, 2004 Sometimes I'd like to have a more colorful past than I actually do. I've just heard stories of people trying to throw a cat out of an airplane, I haven't actually tried. By the way, the cat always won. Dogs, on the other hand, will willingly jump static line or tandem. They just want to go where ever you go, by any means possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #98 January 6, 2004 You need to read "Bedtime Stories for Skydivers"Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #99 January 7, 2004 It's so long since I read this whole thread thru that these might actually have been mentioned, but I recall a couple to do with bad neighbors - one was of a dz flying their plane over a Farmer McNasty's one nite and dynamiting his barn???? Another urban myth I heard was of some jumpers who were doing a demo at a mall one time throwing a dummy out without a parachute from 500' into a corn field across the road... The legend had it that a spectator watching suffered a heart attack and died... Anyone else ever heard that one?> Then there's the one about chickens...If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roel 0 #100 January 11, 2004 QuoteOk all you peeps, I am sure there are lots of Urban myths to do with skydiving, So who knows some good uns, if nothing else they make for good stories for the wuffos, lol In our DZ we take a ride with a van from the landing area to back to the hangar. Every once in a while we find a group of tandempassengers (in fluorescent yellow jumpsuits) waiting for it trying to get rid of the pressure on their ears by jumping up and down while holding their ankles. They are told by the 1 person in the entire DZ they trust (TM) that it is a very effective way of clearing their ears. Whenever we walk up we ask them if they have trouble with their ears. They all agree it's improving after a few tries... - - - - - - - - - We do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
