crotalus01 0 #1 July 8, 2006 what was a blasthandle and why did USPA get rid of them? I read about it in the latest issue of Parachutist in the Skydiving Milestones section. jess try'n ta edjikate my ignerant self.... As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #2 July 8, 2006 http://www.apf.asn.au/Documents/Rigging/RACs/500Series/501A.pdf Did you try a search?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,354 #3 July 8, 2006 Hi crotalus01, Sparky has the info you were asking about. There were many, many errors in that article; I spent some time on the phone today with the editor. Jerry PS) 1. Does anyone think the first Gold Wings were awarded in 1976? 2. Anyone know when FS (relative work) first began as a Nationals event? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbrasher 1 #4 July 8, 2006 1. Pretty sure GW were awarded in 60's but that's before my time. 2. 1972 10 way Red, White and Blue Skies, John T. Brasher D-5166 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #5 July 9, 2006 My gold wings were #7, issued 12/62. Pop D47 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,354 #6 July 9, 2006 Brydon (D-12) was GW #1. I believe (?) that the first FS at a Nat'ls was in '69; 4-way. Begin with a star/backloop/etc. Anyone? Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goldwing 0 #7 July 10, 2006 The anti-windblast handle was a standard reserve ripcord on the original CrossBow Piggyback rig if my memory serves me correct. As the article stated it was designed as a single direction pull and in a panic mode it killed too many people without the modification to make it uni-directional. Once modified there was a tendancy to loosen the tension on the clip and the ripcord either floated or caused premature activation of the reserve during a tight exit. Subsequently the easiest solution was to ban them entirely.You haven't lived until you've almost died" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #8 July 10, 2006 John Berke (Jack's dad) got Diamond Wings 141 in 1975. That would imply that there were others before him... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frynsky 0 #9 July 10, 2006 My first rig was a double shorty Wonderhog that had a blast handle, and I lost count of how many people told me I was going to die if I had a function. If you grabbed it with your left hand and pulled down, towards your feet, it worked great. If you grabbed it with your right hand, or pulled it in any other direction, it did not work. That was the way it was designed. Had 5 functions on that rig, no problem at all with any of them. BS, BD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #10 July 10, 2006 QuoteThe anti-windblast handle was a standard reserve ripcord on the original CrossBow Piggyback rig if my memory serves me correct. As the article stated it was designed as a single direction pull and in a panic mode it killed too many people without the modification to make it uni-directional. Once modified there was a tendancy to loosen the tension on the clip and the ripcord either floated or caused premature activation of the reserve during a tight exit. Subsequently the easiest solution was to ban them entirely. The first reserve "ripcord" on the X-Bow was a reddish-orange "lollypop" type handle. That was changed to the anti-windblast handle, then to the cloverleaf handle type. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 July 11, 2006 I had one on my rig and I got to use it twice with no problem..like you said... just pull it down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites frawley308 0 #12 July 11, 2006 As a rigger and collector of old ripcords I was curious about the status of blast handles. I could not find any reference in current USPA publications about their status so I contacted the USPA. They told me that they are no longer considered banned and the prohibition against them has been removed from USPA rules and regs because it was felt that no modern rig builder or modern jumper would consider using such old technology so it was useless to continue keeping the rule on the books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #13 July 11, 2006 QuoteI had one on my rig and I got to use it twice with no problem..like you said... just pull it down *** Had one too..used it once in free-fall...and ahhhhh.....several times AFTER the ban....drilled out... as a "Safety Meeting" item! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #14 July 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI had one on my rig and I got to use it twice with no problem..like you said... just pull it down *** Had one too..used it once in free-fall...and ahhhhh.....several times AFTER the ban....drilled out... as a "Safety Meeting" item! Was the stylemaster belly reserve the first rig to have the reserve ripcord mounted in the center of the belly wart rather than the right side, like all the military surplus crap We remember seeing pic's in parachutist of a center pull reserve handle with bent pins from at least one jumper pulling their reserve handle to the right side. Anyone know the story behind when the pins got bent? Hanging harness or . R.I.P. BTW what's a "old timer" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #15 July 11, 2006 I don't know if it was the 'first'... My old Stylemaster could be used either way, center pull or right side pull...it came with two reserve ripcords when I bought it used, I was the 2nd owner. I lost the right side pull handle when I threw it so I could 'cover' the capewells...I never did like the center pull because we use to do a lot of 'Combat' RW, and I was always concerned about 'bumping' it out and getting a premature reserve. I was given a Jerry Bird no ripcord flatpack reserve that I used for quite a few jumps...HOT TICKET! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RogerRamjet 0 #16 July 11, 2006 QuoteI had one on my rig and I got to use it twice with no problem..like you said... just pull it down Before changing to a Wonderhog, I had one for my Main ripcord on my B12 container. The trick (main or reserve) is to tack the housing about 2" from the handle. That way, no matter which way you pull the handle, the housing follows allowing a straight pull. Mine was not drilled out and I put over 300 jumps on that rig. When I put one on my Wonderhog for the reserve, I intalled it the same way, 2" of housing between the handle and the tacking or nylon cover. Interestingly, the one cutaway I had on the Wonderhog was with the original plastic ripcord (28' C-9 cheapo, 26' Navy Con reserve). Once I moved to the Strato-Star, malfunctions were no longer in my future. I put about 100 jumps on it with ropes & rings and another 550 with a slider. ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #17 July 11, 2006 QuoteAs a rigger and collector of old ripcords I was curious about the status of blast handles. I could not find any reference in current USPA publications about their status so I contacted the USPA. They told me that they are no longer considered banned and the prohibition against them has been removed from USPA rules and regs because it was felt that no modern rig builder or modern jumper would consider using such old technology so it was useless to continue keeping the rule on the books. What was interesting was USPA did not have the authority to ban squat. If was up to the FAA to ban components and the DZO to enforce it. That was before “Group Members” and USPA became a trade origination for DZs. USPA was arrogant enough to think their rules were law.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,354 #18 July 11, 2006 Hi Twardo, QuoteJerry Bird no ripcord flatpack reserve Now that was a 'different' reserve container. If some of you not so old' types want to see something strange, try to find one of those. I always wondered how it got through the TSO testing. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bozo 0 #19 July 12, 2006 QuoteHi Twardo, QuoteJerry Bird no ripcord flatpack reserve Now that was a 'different' reserve container. If some of you not so old' types want to see something strange, try to find one of those. I always wondered how it got through the TSO testing -----------------------------------------------------------. I have a buddy..Jim Fonnesbeck....jumped a Bird reserve right up until he quit jumping recently. Scary shit.....like most of the old gear. Jerry bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #20 July 12, 2006 QuoteI always wondered how it got through the TSO testing. I have heard rumors that not all gear was TSO'd back in the day.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #21 July 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteI always wondered how it got through the TSO testing. I have heard rumors that not all gear was TSO'd back in the day. *** TSO= "This Shit Opens" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kkeenan 14 #22 July 12, 2006 QuoteI have heard rumors that not all gear was TSO'd back in the day. I always wondered about the Para Dactyl, which was funky enough as a main, but which was used for a while as a reserve. The smallest, lightest assembly ever was the Para Dactyl main and reserve, called "Double-Dactyl Death". I'd be interested to know the TSO status of that thing. Kevin_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,354 #23 July 12, 2006 In the 60's or so, Irwin Industries got TSO OK on a Rogallo wing. There was an article in both PARACHUTIST & SKYDIVER on it, as I recall (or do not recall). Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #24 July 12, 2006 Simple, the double dactyl rigs were NOT TSO'd. Larry Yohn had one were he cut the rear reserve risers off and had the lines sewn to the remaining riser to save weight. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggermick 7 #25 July 13, 2006 QuoteSimple, the double dactyl rigs were NOT TSO'd. Larry Yohn had one were he cut the rear reserve risers off and had the lines sewn to the remaining riser to save weight. RIP Larry. I liked him alot (he died on a bad demo landing). I do remember the "double dayctal" rig, it was cut down to the bone!! He even removed the cut away housings and had loops of 5/5 S/S Lolon coated cable installed to chop, much like "tape wells". freaky rig, but it worked well. I was always amazed with his landings under a single keel and a prosthetic leg, SOB made it look like it was a natural thing to do. Still wish he was here! I had one or two races with him from the "ghetto" to PVA on our street bikes. He rode a honda single piston (forget the model now) and I rode a honda CB 650 4, good times. Mick. 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frawley308 0 #12 July 11, 2006 As a rigger and collector of old ripcords I was curious about the status of blast handles. I could not find any reference in current USPA publications about their status so I contacted the USPA. They told me that they are no longer considered banned and the prohibition against them has been removed from USPA rules and regs because it was felt that no modern rig builder or modern jumper would consider using such old technology so it was useless to continue keeping the rule on the books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #13 July 11, 2006 QuoteI had one on my rig and I got to use it twice with no problem..like you said... just pull it down *** Had one too..used it once in free-fall...and ahhhhh.....several times AFTER the ban....drilled out... as a "Safety Meeting" item! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #14 July 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI had one on my rig and I got to use it twice with no problem..like you said... just pull it down *** Had one too..used it once in free-fall...and ahhhhh.....several times AFTER the ban....drilled out... as a "Safety Meeting" item! Was the stylemaster belly reserve the first rig to have the reserve ripcord mounted in the center of the belly wart rather than the right side, like all the military surplus crap We remember seeing pic's in parachutist of a center pull reserve handle with bent pins from at least one jumper pulling their reserve handle to the right side. Anyone know the story behind when the pins got bent? Hanging harness or . R.I.P. BTW what's a "old timer" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #15 July 11, 2006 I don't know if it was the 'first'... My old Stylemaster could be used either way, center pull or right side pull...it came with two reserve ripcords when I bought it used, I was the 2nd owner. I lost the right side pull handle when I threw it so I could 'cover' the capewells...I never did like the center pull because we use to do a lot of 'Combat' RW, and I was always concerned about 'bumping' it out and getting a premature reserve. I was given a Jerry Bird no ripcord flatpack reserve that I used for quite a few jumps...HOT TICKET! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #16 July 11, 2006 QuoteI had one on my rig and I got to use it twice with no problem..like you said... just pull it down Before changing to a Wonderhog, I had one for my Main ripcord on my B12 container. The trick (main or reserve) is to tack the housing about 2" from the handle. That way, no matter which way you pull the handle, the housing follows allowing a straight pull. Mine was not drilled out and I put over 300 jumps on that rig. When I put one on my Wonderhog for the reserve, I intalled it the same way, 2" of housing between the handle and the tacking or nylon cover. Interestingly, the one cutaway I had on the Wonderhog was with the original plastic ripcord (28' C-9 cheapo, 26' Navy Con reserve). Once I moved to the Strato-Star, malfunctions were no longer in my future. I put about 100 jumps on it with ropes & rings and another 550 with a slider. ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #17 July 11, 2006 QuoteAs a rigger and collector of old ripcords I was curious about the status of blast handles. I could not find any reference in current USPA publications about their status so I contacted the USPA. They told me that they are no longer considered banned and the prohibition against them has been removed from USPA rules and regs because it was felt that no modern rig builder or modern jumper would consider using such old technology so it was useless to continue keeping the rule on the books. What was interesting was USPA did not have the authority to ban squat. If was up to the FAA to ban components and the DZO to enforce it. That was before “Group Members” and USPA became a trade origination for DZs. USPA was arrogant enough to think their rules were law.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,354 #18 July 11, 2006 Hi Twardo, QuoteJerry Bird no ripcord flatpack reserve Now that was a 'different' reserve container. If some of you not so old' types want to see something strange, try to find one of those. I always wondered how it got through the TSO testing. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #19 July 12, 2006 QuoteHi Twardo, QuoteJerry Bird no ripcord flatpack reserve Now that was a 'different' reserve container. If some of you not so old' types want to see something strange, try to find one of those. I always wondered how it got through the TSO testing -----------------------------------------------------------. I have a buddy..Jim Fonnesbeck....jumped a Bird reserve right up until he quit jumping recently. Scary shit.....like most of the old gear. Jerry bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #20 July 12, 2006 QuoteI always wondered how it got through the TSO testing. I have heard rumors that not all gear was TSO'd back in the day.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #21 July 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteI always wondered how it got through the TSO testing. I have heard rumors that not all gear was TSO'd back in the day. *** TSO= "This Shit Opens" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #22 July 12, 2006 QuoteI have heard rumors that not all gear was TSO'd back in the day. I always wondered about the Para Dactyl, which was funky enough as a main, but which was used for a while as a reserve. The smallest, lightest assembly ever was the Para Dactyl main and reserve, called "Double-Dactyl Death". I'd be interested to know the TSO status of that thing. Kevin_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,354 #23 July 12, 2006 In the 60's or so, Irwin Industries got TSO OK on a Rogallo wing. There was an article in both PARACHUTIST & SKYDIVER on it, as I recall (or do not recall). Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #24 July 12, 2006 Simple, the double dactyl rigs were NOT TSO'd. Larry Yohn had one were he cut the rear reserve risers off and had the lines sewn to the remaining riser to save weight. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #25 July 13, 2006 QuoteSimple, the double dactyl rigs were NOT TSO'd. Larry Yohn had one were he cut the rear reserve risers off and had the lines sewn to the remaining riser to save weight. RIP Larry. I liked him alot (he died on a bad demo landing). I do remember the "double dayctal" rig, it was cut down to the bone!! He even removed the cut away housings and had loops of 5/5 S/S Lolon coated cable installed to chop, much like "tape wells". freaky rig, but it worked well. I was always amazed with his landings under a single keel and a prosthetic leg, SOB made it look like it was a natural thing to do. Still wish he was here! I had one or two races with him from the "ghetto" to PVA on our street bikes. He rode a honda single piston (forget the model now) and I rode a honda CB 650 4, good times. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
