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QuoteExcellent question. Also, cooper may not have left any of his prints, but Ted's are on file. Have all the prints from the plane been run through AFIS? It wasn't around back then.
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QuoteTina wouldn't talk to us. Can't blame her, She did evidently become uncooperative on the case fairly quickly - even to the FBI.
I wonder why.
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Have you contacted the prior niteclerk that I told you about?
QuoteIn reply to Tina never being uncooperative, Ralph must have been mistaken.
Have you talked to her?
I can give you her number.
You said earlier that she wasn't cooperative. If she is now talking to people maybe she will talk to me. Her phone call to me yrs ago was terse and she did not want to talk about the incident. I respected her wishes.
She could help me very much - it has been my only desire - for her to view the photos that I have (some of which the public had never seen). If she had talked to me a few yrs ago - I might not be where I am now with my health and my life might not have been turned upside-down. I find it hard to believe that she has changed.
QuoteQuoteTina wouldn't talk to us. Can't blame her, She did evidently become uncooperative on the case fairly quickly - even to the FBI.
I wonder why.
------------------------------------------------------------Which is it? She wouldn't talk to you or she would - there are two post made that state the opposite ?
GUYS? Is it my imagination or did he make two different statements about the same thing?
I didn't see him contradict himself. He made so many one line posts though that it's getting tougher to follow this thread.
Can we please remain courteous? Coming on here and posting 14 messages the very first day you show up won't really move us forward. Other users have also asked questions that have been discussed. The flight crew was not involved. The pressure bump was recreated and this is a strong implication that it was, in fact, Cooper jumping.
Ckret has already posted that there was a cloud cover at 5,000 feet... thus a blind jump.
If you're going to come on here and take over the board, then at least read through what's already been discussed.
Amongst the several pages of posts, there were a few interesting tidbits. First, the discussion with someone at the treasury regarding destruction of old currency and their protocol. This was something I was planning on learning myself, but since coopercatcher has already done the homework, please share what they said. What they do today might be different from what they did in 75, 80, 85 etc. Today there's a lot more technology.
We're talking about 10,000 bills and at best for Cooper, only a portion was ever used. I don't know specifics, but I'd guess even at 10,000 it's a tiny fraction of all the 20s in worldwide circulation in 71. Spread out the bills, spread out the time, and with a lack of technology the argument that none of the bills ever made their way into circulation gets weaker. The best hope for finding them would be when the treasury destroys old currency. If they didn't track all the serial numbers, then this aspect of the Cooper died argument really shows us nothing.
The other thing I happened to read was a criticism of the DNA. If it were me, I'd want to know for certain that we have Cooper's DNA and that we have a suspect's DNA. From what I just read, I'm now unconvinced of either. Crossed matching from several items takes care of this... on both ends. DNA is a great technology, but just because you can do a test doesn't mean you can throw out solid testing methods to keep it honest. I'm not saying the results are flawed, I'm saying the methodology might be flawed, and it can be sewn up with some cross testing.
Can we please remain courteous? Coming on here and posting 14 messages the very first day you show up won't really move us forward. Other users have also asked questions that have been discussed. The flight crew was not involved. The pressure bump was recreated and this is a strong implication that it was, in fact, Cooper jumping.
Ckret has already posted that there was a cloud cover at 5,000 feet... thus a blind jump.
If you're going to come on here and take over the board, then at least read through what's already been discussed.
Amongst the several pages of posts, there were a few interesting tidbits. First, the discussion with someone at the treasury regarding destruction of old currency and their protocol. This was something I was planning on learning myself, but since coopercatcher has already done the homework, please share what they said. What they do today might be different from what they did in 75, 80, 85 etc. Today there's a lot more technology.
We're talking about 10,000 bills and at best for Cooper, only a portion was ever used. I don't know specifics, but I'd guess even at 10,000 it's a tiny fraction of all the 20s in worldwide circulation in 71. Spread out the bills, spread out the time, and with a lack of technology the argument that none of the bills ever made their way into circulation gets weaker. The best hope for finding them would be when the treasury destroys old currency. If they didn't track all the serial numbers, then this aspect of the Cooper died argument really shows us nothing.
The other thing I happened to read was a criticism of the DNA. If it were me, I'd want to know for certain that we have Cooper's DNA and that we have a suspect's DNA. From what I just read, I'm now unconvinced of either. Crossed matching from several items takes care of this... on both ends. DNA is a great technology, but just because you can do a test doesn't mean you can throw out solid testing methods to keep it honest. I'm not saying the results are flawed, I'm saying the methodology might be flawed, and it can be sewn up with some cross testing.
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He stated he wanted two back chutes and two front chutes
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coopercatcher,
My investigative theory is based on the information from the witnesses, evidence and investigation to date. It is theory not fact but I do believe from what we know logical conclusions. I would be interested to read your investigative theory and what facts from your investigation did you use to get to Mayfield, that he jumped in the manner Cooper did, and made it out with the cash.
My investigative theory is based on the information from the witnesses, evidence and investigation to date. It is theory not fact but I do believe from what we know logical conclusions. I would be interested to read your investigative theory and what facts from your investigation did you use to get to Mayfield, that he jumped in the manner Cooper did, and made it out with the cash.
I am only going to address Mayfield this last time:
Mayfield as an experience jumper called Himmelsbach to offer his assistance and expertise he was doing nothing else except trying to be a good citizen. He did not call to say he was not Cooper.
I am going off line to make a very long post - I have been up all night going thru the notes I made yrs ago - I have not slept in 29 hours now. These notes I wrote about what Duane told me on that trip. I have not revisited them - they are points that he told me about - I am reversing them so the they will make sense to the forum as how he may have walked out. I do not know all the correct names or spellings of these places. But for a man who was only in McNeil in 1945 he sure knew alot about the area in 1979.
By the way Ckret - I haven't found the mention yet of what the college student said - I was able to contact Mitchel a few yrs ago - it may come as a surprise, but at that time he was working for Boeing.
His daughter was the one who contacted me and put me with her father. Since my research is so vast and over a 13 yr period - I remember something I said or read but cannot pinpoint it at this time. By the way when I contacted him I did not have the pictures that I now have, but the email is no longer valid.
PS
Came back to add this edit - I can't do it in reverse - It will have to be the way he told it to me and I just realized that I am about to drop so it will be this evening.
Mayfield as an experience jumper called Himmelsbach to offer his assistance and expertise he was doing nothing else except trying to be a good citizen. He did not call to say he was not Cooper.
I am going off line to make a very long post - I have been up all night going thru the notes I made yrs ago - I have not slept in 29 hours now. These notes I wrote about what Duane told me on that trip. I have not revisited them - they are points that he told me about - I am reversing them so the they will make sense to the forum as how he may have walked out. I do not know all the correct names or spellings of these places. But for a man who was only in McNeil in 1945 he sure knew alot about the area in 1979.
By the way Ckret - I haven't found the mention yet of what the college student said - I was able to contact Mitchel a few yrs ago - it may come as a surprise, but at that time he was working for Boeing.
His daughter was the one who contacted me and put me with her father. Since my research is so vast and over a 13 yr period - I remember something I said or read but cannot pinpoint it at this time. By the way when I contacted him I did not have the pictures that I now have, but the email is no longer valid.
PS
Came back to add this edit - I can't do it in reverse - It will have to be the way he told it to me and I just realized that I am about to drop so it will be this evening.
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QUOTED HIS STATEMENTS. Am I reading wrong - one time he says Tina wouldn't talk then claims she did and offered her phone number up - I guess I am just too tired.
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QuoteTina wouldn't talk to us. Can't blame her, She did evidently become uncooperative on the case fairly quickly - even to the FBI.
I wonder why.
I understand it is not that unusual for witnesses who have been traumatised to "shut down" & refuse to co-operate after cases. Don't forget this was someone who spent how many hours thinking she might die at the hands of this man and his "bomb"? (and a skydiver will know how long even 60 seconds can feel...) I believe (tho not a fundi on US law) that there is even a provision in the US that, on expert testimony, someone who has suffered (mental) trauma during commission of a crime may not be forced to testify if that will make them undergo further trauma. From what has been posted on this forum in the past there seems to have been significant long-term adverse effects on at least one of the witnesses from the trauma - whether it was Tina and/or Florence I don't know. But it doesn't necessarily surprise me that she became uncooperative.
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QuoteWhat is the scoop on the DNA?
How is this new evidence?
Is there a kazillion different samples?
On the neck area, is there one preponderant sample?
What information can be ascertained? Eye color?
(Hair color can be dyed temporarily.)
It was OJ, wasn't it?
Im still waiting for Ckret to tell us about this as well. What is the deal with the tie and the DNA from it?
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QuoteCkret has already posted that there was a cloud cover at 5,000 feet... thus a blind jump.
I don't think it would have necessarily been a "blind" jump. There was a partial moon that evening. Was it solid cloud cover at 5,000 feet across the Pacific Northwest? Even if it was solid, local jumpers could easily identify; Mt. Rainier 14,411ft, Mt Adams 12,271ft, Mt Baker 10,781ft, Glacier Peak 10,541ft, Mt. Stuart 9,127ft, Mt St. Helens 9,360ish ft (pre-1980) & Mt. Olympus 7,965ft. If the cloud cover was not solid at 5000 feet the Columbia River may have been visible & even with solid cloud cover the Portland city lights could have been visible through the clouds. Just a random thought.
Plan A - get out shortly after takeoff.
Plan B - get out between Mt. St. Helens & Portland city light.
Plan C - get out after Portland city lights....etc.
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QuoteEven if it was solid, local jumpers could easily identify; Mt. Rainier 14,411ft, Mt Adams 12,271ft, Mt Baker 10,781ft, Glacier Peak 10,541ft, Mt. Stuart 9,127ft, Mt St. Helens 9,360ish ft (pre-1980) & Mt. Olympus 7,965ft. If the cloud cover was not solid at 5000 feet the Columbia River may have been visible & even with solid cloud cover the Portland city lights could have been visible through the clouds. Just a random thought.
Plan A - get out shortly after takeoff.
Plan B - get out between Mt. St. Helens & Portland city light.
Plan C - get out after Portland city lights....etc.
"Easily identified" is not the same as "sufficient information to accurately determine exit point." Determining the exit point in the daytime requires some skill; at night and looking through just the windows on the sides of the aircraft would require wizardry. He might have been able to tell he was between Mt St Helens and Portland, but not much more. He would not have been able to judge accurately enough to rendezvous with an accomplice or a pre-positioned cache.
Mark
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QuoteI just find it hard to believe he planned this without thinking of these details if he had any jump experience, which i think he did, because he knew how to put the rig on and sounds like some limited knowledge of the different rigs. Have you ever handed a rig to a whuffo (non-skydiver)and said put it on. They look at you like a deer in the headlights if they have never seen it before.
That's an interesting point, and I agree that he may have had experience with pilot emergency rigs -- but not necessarily as a jumper.
Lot's of folks have access to pilot emergency rigs. Air Force loadmasters would be familiar with wearing bail-out rigs -- and they would be familiar with door operation on C-130's and similar. Some would also have been involved with HALO jumps, with freefallers leaving via the ramp. A loadmaster would be a non-jumper, but if those Army guys could do it (carrying rucks and stuff), how hard could it be?
Mark
if jumping in these conditions, one could not expect to leave the darkness/wilderness in short order. the Person would have needed to plan a stay in the outdoors.
The parachute jump could have been made by many, the outdoors part...cold/rain/Nov/territory would be more dangerous in my eyes. But who knows..... the jumper may not have been the brightest.
any outdoorsman that jumped in northwest us or western CA?
edit: added "not"
The parachute jump could have been made by many, the outdoors part...cold/rain/Nov/territory would be more dangerous in my eyes. But who knows..... the jumper may not have been the brightest.
any outdoorsman that jumped in northwest us or western CA?
edit: added "not"
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All I am saying is that I don't believe it was a blind jump. I mentioned nothing about a specific pre-determined exit point/rendezvous point.
I also don't believe he meant to make a night jump in the freezing rain. What was the weather like between 3:00pm - 5:00pm? Did the airline attendant not sit next to him for 5 hours? Did he not make a comment stating that it shouldn't be taking this long? His timeline was thrown off because they couldn't get the money & equipment on his timeline. When his timeline changed he adapted to it & went with it....he didn't really have a choice.
I also don't believe he meant to make a night jump in the freezing rain. What was the weather like between 3:00pm - 5:00pm? Did the airline attendant not sit next to him for 5 hours? Did he not make a comment stating that it shouldn't be taking this long? His timeline was thrown off because they couldn't get the money & equipment on his timeline. When his timeline changed he adapted to it & went with it....he didn't really have a choice.
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I have never been on a thread with you that got shut down. Tina talked with us enough to let us know she wouldn't talk with us - two different senses of the phrase. Does that satisfy you? With our limited resources and access, Tina was very difficult to find and I will not share her info with anyone. The FBI could probably find her near instantaneously, I'm sure. This also contradicts something I said but was tongue in cheek.
Okay?
is this guy a suspect?:
dbcoopercatcher
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QuoteThat's an interesting point, and I agree that he may have had experience with pilot emergency rigs -- but not necessarily as a jumper.
Lot's of folks have access to pilot emergency rigs. Air Force loadmasters would be familiar with wearing bail-out rigs -- and they would be familiar with door operation on C-130's and similar. Some would also have been involved with HALO jumps, with freefallers leaving via the ramp. A loadmaster would be a non-jumper, but if those Army guys could do it (carrying rucks and stuff), how hard could it be?
Mark
Jump pilots are required to wear & know how to use bail out rigs as well....I wore one when flying right seat in a porter (I believe it was an NB6, resembles one but I can't be sure) & jump pilots are familiar with jump operations. Were any Pacific Northwest & Canadian jump pilots suspects?
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Fact:
35 Years have passed and not a single LOGICAL suspect.
The same investigator ruled over this case for over 10 years and then some in retirement, possibly steering the case.
A very logical suspect has been written off like laundry w/o so much as an inquisition and he not only has a criminal record, he has no alibi for the date at hand and has lied about his alibi. The FBI has not even lifted a finger on this suspect.
His 74' picture matches the Unsolved Mysteries sketch , not only in stature, but even the "bozo" crest of balding.
For whatever reason, the FBI does not consider him a suspect, nor does it seem they will "investigate" and "eliminate" if it turns out he had nothing to do with this case.
Why don't we take one thing at a time, and not "pigeon hole" Mayfield as a suspect until he's been properly investigated?
Does it not bother anyone else that Mayfield was a friend of Himmelsbach, and that to this day he's never been investigated? Even if innocent, shouldn't this have been done?
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35 Years have passed and not a single LOGICAL suspect.
The same investigator ruled over this case for over 10 years and then some in retirement, possibly steering the case.
A very logical suspect has been written off like laundry w/o so much as an inquisition and he not only has a criminal record, he has no alibi for the date at hand and has lied about his alibi. The FBI has not even lifted a finger on this suspect.
His 74' picture matches the Unsolved Mysteries sketch , not only in stature, but even the "bozo" crest of balding.
For whatever reason, the FBI does not consider him a suspect, nor does it seem they will "investigate" and "eliminate" if it turns out he had nothing to do with this case.
Why don't we take one thing at a time, and not "pigeon hole" Mayfield as a suspect until he's been properly investigated?
Does it not bother anyone else that Mayfield was a friend of Himmelsbach, and that to this day he's never been investigated? Even if innocent, shouldn't this have been done?
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His 74' picture matches the Unsolved Mysteries sketch , not only in stature, but even the "bozo" crest of balding.
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can u post this, please
thanks in advance
His 74' picture matches the Unsolved Mysteries sketch , not only in stature, but even the "bozo" crest of balding.
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can u post this, please
thanks in advance
does "Himmelsbach" have any jump experience?
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