D B Cooper Unsolved Skyjacking

[skyjack71 0]

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Right now, unless Ckret wants to re-examine the facts and double check them...
Cooper did not die in Lake Merwin
Cooper did not drift to the Columbia River
Cooper did not land near a tributary that would explain the money found in 1980.

The only explanation is that someone moved the money at some point. If you want to debate the likliness of someone other than Cooper moving the money, then have it. I submit, the likely outcome was that Cooper himself moved the money.

The 1974 layer in the sand, from my recollection (and Ckret, correct me please if I'm wrong) was a foot and a half down. There's just no way this happens either.

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What do you mean by the 1974 layer in the sand - I am afraid all of this is way over my head, but this comment gave me cause to ask for more information. Thank You, Jo Weber

[SKYWHUFFO 1]

Jo,

So are you going to leave us hanging and disapear and not tell us what you are talking about or what you solved????? We gave you all the info so please fill in all the blank spots you keep hinting to and around. We all would like to hear what you figured our.

[SafecrackingPLF 0]

The river was dredged in 74 and the silt from the river was placed onto the beach.

This silt formed a layer.

A geologist identified this layer while looking at the beach where the money was found. They dug a channel to inspect the cross section of layers.

Anything above this layer is post 1974.

If I recall, the layer was about 18 inches down.

[ltdiver 3]

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That leaves us with a possible jump of 9710 feet. NickDG was kind enough to tell me that a 28' round canopy like this one drops at a rate about 1,000 feet per second. That would mean he has just under 10 minutes, IF (and that's a big if) he pulls his chute immediately.

That would be one hell of a <10 second ride, no?

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[airtwardo 7]

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That leaves us with a possible jump of 9710 feet. NickDG was kind enough to tell me that a 28' round canopy like this one drops at a rate about 1,000 feet per second. That would mean he has just under 10 minutes, IF (and that's a big if) he pulls his chute immediately.

That would be one hell of a
ltdiver

The first part anyway!

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[SafecrackingPLF 0]

doh!
Minute, of course.

[ltdiver 3]

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doh!
Minute, of course.

Just goes to show we're reading -everything- diligently...

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[skyjack71 0]

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The river was dredged in 74 and the silt from the river was placed onto the beach.

This silt formed a layer.

A geologist identified this layer while looking at the beach where the money was found. They dug a channel to inspect the cross section of layers.

Anything above this layer is post 1974.

If I recall, the layer was about 18 inches down.

That means that the money was not there in 1974 but at a much later date. Ah, Thank you.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Orange1 0]

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They are saying the chute was not steerable, but Is there NOT another way that one can direct a chute
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I am aware that Duane did know how to steer chuteshe explained that in detail in Boulder, Co. during a paraglider or whatever rally?

Jo, there is a world of difference between a round canopy and a paraglider. Anyway, you still haven't managed to actually place Duane under any type of canopy.

To follow up on what skywhuffo said: i seem to recall you posted not too long ago that while you had been keeping certain things secret due to whatever reasons now was the time to lay everything in the open. So it's a bit difficult to understand after that why you are now reverting to cryptic comments and that you know something we don't. Do you actually have any real, concrete evidence?

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[Orange1 0]

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That means that the money was not there in 1974 but at a much later date. Ah, Thank you.

That information was already freely available in the FBI files on the case that have been made available to the public.

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[skyjack71 0]

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Jo,
So are you going to leave us hanging and disappear and not tell us what you are talking about or what you solved????? We gave you all the info so please fill in all the blank spots you keep hinting to and around. We all would like to hear what you figured our.

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This particular information came to my attention a few days ago. until ALL of the information is in. If we can back up the information - believe me it will go public. I am not playing a game - some things take time to back-up. At least I am not going on national TV and have someone make a fool out of me...unless that is what it takes to find someone who remembers the incident.

at least for me.. This information might never have been possible if it had not been for this forum - right now without the back-up it means nothing.



I am not just waiting for them - I am doing everything in my power to make the necessary contacts...I will say it involves something that happened over 2 yrs. prior to Nov.25, 1971. The FBI has the capabilities to do what I cannot do.

In 1968 - Mouse took a souvenir just to have it, but later he had to make a wrong right.

[low_pull1 2]

"Steerable" on a round really just means "you get to choose your view while the wind takes where ever it damn well pleases".Mad


hymm....hymmm....

[grimmie 186]

Orange1,
I wasn't even referring to any DZ.com theorists. Just the folks like Jo, many I'm sure, that have "evidence" or suspicions about someone, be it Mayfield, the Easter bunny or Mighty Mouse.
The "Unabomber" was turned in by his brother, and there were lots of internet chats on various websites about him for years.
And as far as the DC-9. I want to be self serving and fly up on it with Pat and enjoy the festivities!
But I would really be interested in what a high speed exit would do to a jumper lashed with some dough. Could the airspeed blow open his container type on exit?????
And the FBI has wasted far more money on way stupider things than a hijack re-creation that they could sell to FOX TV for BIG $$$$$'s!

[Ckret 0]

the FBI has never wasted a dime, trust me, I'm from the government and here to help.

[airtwardo 7]

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the FBI has never wasted a dime, trust me, I'm from the government and here to help.

Okay NOW we know you're legit!

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[mccurley 1]

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[awsee1 0]

Ckret,

I read that you've used this method of opening cases to the public to solve many bank heists.

Since you're a relatively young agent, I'm wondering if this is something new at the Bureau, or has this always been an option for the AIC?

Specifically, would this method have been an option back in 71 or was it mandatory that cases be investigated in secrecy?


Thanks

Bren

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i thoght it was discussed that cooper had an nb6(26 ft conical. but now i am reading it was a 28 ft canopy?

[Ckret 0]

It's not new just not typically used in investigations like the Cooper case. There are great benefits in cases such as bank robbery but in more complex investigations it could really harm the case. Most of the time an agent would never want a possible subject to get wind that they are under investigation. The first time most subjects realize they are a target is when they hear the words, "this is the FBI, exit the house with your hands visible."

As for whether or not it would have been useful in the Cooper case who's to say. It's the direction I chose, I was not around in 71 to put my two cents in. My guess is I would have been laughed back to my cubical.

[awsee1 0]

Thanks,

That's what I wanted to know.

[skyjack71 0]

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I am not playing a game - some things take time to back-up. At least I am not going on national TV and have someone make a fool out of me...unless that is what it takes to find someone who remembers the incident.

at least for me.. This information might never have been possible if it had not been for this forum - right now without the back-up it means nothing.



I am not just waiting for them - I am doing everything in my power to make the necessary contacts...I will say it involves something that happened over 2 yrs. prior to Nov.25, 1971. The FBI has the capabilities to do what I cannot do.

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The FBI sent me a message - take it to the media.

That means they are not going to do anything about the information I gave them - WHY!

I was told that the FBI did go see a man ( just a wk or so ago) whose story I thought some what odd, but was able to give part of his story credence because he placed Duane and his wife in an area she had "forgotten" to mention, but did verify later.

This man told me they took his statement and it was sworn to before a judge. His story is what I call the "conspiracy theory". I do not buy his story, but do believe that he indeed did know Duane. It is about time that the FBI tells us what is really going on.

The information I have has nothing to do with this man - but because he had mentioned repeatedly an item - and information was provided about this specific item inadvertently by another party who has absolutely nothing to do with the man mentioned above. Both stories conflict each other - one involves a souvenir taken by Duane and the other involves a conspiracy.

And the FBI agent said "Take it to the Media". I want to know why the FBI would say this - ?
He knows that I do not want to be put down as the crazy lady of the century - I think this is a very cruel thing for an FBI agent to tell someone who is working their heart out to bring an end to this.

Ckret, it time for you to stop beating around the bush - put up or shut up! You and the FBI are the ones playing games with the lives and well being of others. If the FBI has CONCRET evidence that Duane was not COOPER then it is time they present that evidence - such as he was somewhere else. The FBI knows that I have been careful not to incriminate other individuals - when I could have done so.

I am so angry right now that I sound crazy, but guys how would you feel? "Go to the Media" but with no explanation - as to why I should go to the media..

Just "TAKE IT TO THE MEDIA". He knows that I don't want to do that - he wants to solve this crime - why would he ignore any clue that might explain many things. But they choose to visit a man who says that Duane was Cooper and get sworn documents - yet, tell me to take what I have to the Media.

I am sorry, I just don't get it. Do they want me to make a bigger fool out of myself than I have already made - What I was asking them to investigate would not take a lot of time or money - and they tell me to take it to the media. This information is not readily available to the public.

I wanted some kind of documentation on what I told them so I would not embarrass myself should it turn out not to mean anything - All of this is enough to drive the most sane person absolutely crazy - they want answers, but the way they go about it is just not ethical or humane.

I am sorry guys but my heart is just breaking into - I found what I think is the needle in the haystack and they obviously do not want to even give it a cursory look. I am crying very hard right now so if there are mistakes - forgive me. I will try later to make a post explaining what that needle in the hay stack was...maybe then you guys can help me decide what to do with it.

Mouse, I wish you were here to hold me.

[SafecrackingPLF 0]

Solving the case is a VERY, VERY long ways away. Whatever it is, keep your composure, the case is 36+ yrs old & I'm sure some patience would go a long ways. Whatever it is, I wish you luck.

[Ckret 0]

Jo,

You have read far more into my reply to your e-mail then what was there. I am in no way standing between you an the media. You stated that if i did not move on your information then you would take it to the media. My reply was simply to inform you to go ahead with your investigative plan. Sorry for any distress caused, it was not my intention.

[awsee1 0]

Ckret,

A few more questions if you don't mind.

1. You posted the Coop descriptions from Flo and Tina. Do we know who interviewed them? I'm curious for a reason. Was it the AIC, agents in Minn/St. Paul or possibly Harold Campbell and/or his staff in Vegas?

2. Always knew that #1 above existed, but I'm not aware of a Hancock description, does it exist?

3. Until recently, I was certain that no one from the cockpit got an eyeful of Coop. Can't remember where, but I'd heard it mentioned that Ratczak actually got a look at Cooper. Any info on this?

4. And now the biggie. Do you intend to interview any of these people? If you can't, due to time/constraints, and of course a 36+ year old case and budget constraints, I'd like to suggest something.

Thanks

Bren

[Orange1 0]

Jo..you are not coming across as crazy but you are maybe coming across as a bit unreasonable in your expectations. You had led us to believe that you solved it - but now want the FBI to find something else. You want the FBI to "prove" that it wasn't Duane by placing him somewhere else that night - a bit difficult this long after the fact and besides, everyone in america except cooper and the flight crew were somewhere else that night. (should the FBI be expected to do that for everyone's favourite cooper suspect?) You've slated the FBI for their lack of evidence and what they will or won't reveal, implying (intentionally or not) that you know all the bits of their case, yet a couple of days ago you claimed surprise at a 'revelation' by a poster - when this fact has been in the FBI's public case files all along. Is it possible there is other stuff in there that might help you, if you looked at them?

And might I make a comment: taking it to the media maynot be such a bad suggestion after all. If the clue is what you think it is I'm sure a decent investigative reporter would love to help break the case, as well as having the ability to follow up on what you need to know.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.