D B Cooper Unsolved Skyjacking

[flybounce 0]

wouldn't it be a better story if he wrapped a twenty around the bottle?

what was the money for?

4 years ago that i know of, you were trying to find an author that would write the duane as cooper book.

aw shucks.

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by the way, it's interesting that all of a sudden, 5 people can pop up at once defending your lowly asserted, highly motivated story.

that's it. "here where i stand today, i am alittle old lady."

i'm sick. i'm widowed. i just want the truth and closure.

didn't help?

o.k. fine. maybe i need to p.m. a bunch of people and get their quick support. sounds like a p.r. campaign. i don't feel the need to do such things.

actually, i'm not even asserting my own facts. so if you want me to prove everything in triplicate, up yours. demand the same from both sides. i am only asserting my evaluation of a solid case against mayfield against popcorn and fluff from other suspects. popcorn and fluff is very unsatisfying. so is reading the emotional support and attacks for a crappy case. check out the youtube "the real db cooper". evaluate the contradictions and illogic from mayfield and himmelsbach. then talk intelligently about this. or...just call me a troll again. i promise to change my mind, sulk and go away forever.

(that last part was sarcasm)

[cabbage 0]

flybounce,

So the last part was sarcasm? The first part was incomprehensible!

Be contented that you've proved a point. Maybe not the point you set out to prove but you've proved a point none the less.

Cabbage

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They may have done some homework, but the description of Cooper is 6ft tall, brown eyes, and dark hair. Ted Mayfield is about 5ft 6in tall, blue eyes, and (before he went gray) light ginger hair. Hard to reconcile the two.

[JerryBaumchen 1,357]

I've been really trying to stay out of this thing.

As I've previously posted; I've known Ted Mayfield continuously since 1964 and he is NOT Cooper.

JerryBaumchen

[grimmie 186]

Hmmm, Db Cooper suspects in my book...

Zing, Nah...to cool to pull off a heist, and he would have thrown the pilots out and flown wherever he wanted...

Larry Hill, Nah...to short.

Dave Mahoney...old enough..hmmm...

Bear...nah...too big.

Mr. D-1 himself...how did he get all of those scars?????? Plane crash, eh????

Scotty Carbone...nah..he could never sit in his seat QUIETLY with a bomb on his lap.(what's that, not old enough? HA! Sure he is!)

Bill Dause...hmmmm....nah..too short ...

I have never met this JerryBaumchen guy..he seems to know a lot about a lot from them days...hmmmm....

But after reading this entire thread I have it!
it was Colonel Mustard OR Professor Plum, with a candlestick, in the Billiard Room!!!!!



editor's note:No animals were harmed during this post....

[awsee1 0]

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I've been really trying to stay out of this thing.

As I've previously posted; I've known Ted Mayfield continuously since 1964 and he is NOT Cooper.

JerryBaumchen

Fair enough J.B., respected member no doubt, but how can you be so sure? Profile? Inside information?

Just to give you an example, Skyjack71 told me in a PM that Ted "told her he wasn't Cooper" and she all but implied that that should be good enough for me.
Did he tell you the same thing?

Have you ever wondered if he's ever chopped down a cherry tree? What would he have told 'ol Pop?

Speak to me please.

Brenda...wife of an avid skydiver!

[jackwilson 0]

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They may have done some homework, but the description of Cooper is 6ft tall, brown eyes, and dark hair. Ted Mayfield is about 5ft 6in tall, blue eyes, and (before he went gray) light ginger hair. Hard to reconcile the two.

Actually, the FBI description above is not accurate.

In addition, in Himmelback's book, he said, that estimates of height, weight, and age varied, depending on which witness.

On the FBI website, Cooper is described as:

5"10-6"
medium to well built
"possibly" brown eyes.


So, the brown eyes, was never a definite.

As a matter of fact, Cooper kept his sunglasses on the entire time he was on the airplane.

Just look up Tina Mucklow's quote's, and you will find it.

"he never took off his sunglasses", is the quote.

Normally, when bank robbers, hijackers, etc, wear a disguise, they normally keep the disguise on during the crime, otherwise, it isn't really a very effective disguise.

LIke I mentioned above, the height is 5;10-6"

Himmelback mentions in all articles, that he was looking for a "compact" man. The name, "compact" continually comes up in Himmelbacks book. By definition, "compact" means, to put a lot, in a small space.

According to KOIN, TEd is 5"8.

Put a man, dressed in all black, with a long black raincoat, with dress shoes, which almost all have heels, especially in the 70's, 2 inch difference in height is not that significant.

Plus, if you read the details.

Cooper entered the airliner, and immediately sat in the last row.

HE gave the note to the stewardess:

She went to the cockpit, and gave a height, weight, and age, estimate, based on a man who was sitting.

So, can you tell the height of people who are sitting?

Cooper sat the entire flight, which is extremely unusualy for hijackers.

He stayed in the back of the plane, and only left his seat, once the plane landed in Seattle, in order to glance out the windows.

So, we have a man, seated, in all black, on a airplane, with low ceilings, in a stressful situation, and the estimate is 2 inches off, so he should be eliminated?

So, those are the facts.

AS for the hair color.

IF you look at the photo's on the web, it appears his hair was already gray by 1971.

The witnesses, said Cooper's hair was "shiny", which made them think he was wearing a "wig", or dyed his hair.

Also, in Himmelback's book, estimates of age, height, and weight, varied by witness.

Someday, ask a police officer, or a FBI agent, just how dependable witnesses are when required to give a physical description of a perp. They will tell you, that people are horrible witnesses. Usually, the closer someone is to the age of the perp, the better the description is regarding age. It's also true, that men are better at guessing age, and height of men, and the reverse is true, for obvious reasons.

jacko

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I've been really trying to stay out of this thing.

As I've previously posted; I've known Ted Mayfield continuously since 1964 and he is NOT Cooper.

JerryBaumchen

Jerry

I respect your posts, but, I must ask.

Do you know the whereabouts of Ted while Cooper was on the plane?

If so, were you with Ted, and what were you doing?

IF you can vouch for Ted, we can move on, and go back to debating Duane.

Either that, or you know who Cooper is.

It must be one or the other, since, you stated you know Ted is not Cooper.

jacko

[skyjack71 0]

Wilson, Awsee and Flybounce _

You have attacked very reputable posters on this thread, who are well known in Drop Zone and in the art of skydiving. The three of you locked two other threads about Cooper on another site .

The three of you also are currently posting on another site regarding Mayfield.

Perhaps everyone at Drop Zone should drop into your site and destroy it. How would you like that?[/b]

I have refrained from getting nasty, but when you come to a site such as this and start garbage that is NOT true relating the facts of the crime and attack some of America's finest it is time.

Cooper's description and the fact that he did Take his glasses off...all from the artist who did the composites...did you ever talk to him? Well, we have...and his 2 hr conversation is well documented in an interview around 2001.

Would we or should we crash, trash and burn your site? Of course not, the guys and gals in Drop Zone and History & Trivia have manners and we talk about our subjects intelligently.

Your conversation and attitude is more suitable for another thread (such as BonFire) or another site.

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oh my!

first. more "facts"

what other site am i posting on? how do you know?

this other proof that you have now, source it - oh wait, you don't do that.

what interview? where.

i don't have a sight, so crash away. have you crashed competing sites before? or do you have someone else do it for you. i know your highest hopes are to beleive that your husband is the flight 305 terrorist for cash that he burried in a bucket and lost, but you should refrain from the threats of that which is illegal. you're beginning to shake my unwavering faith in you.

while you're getting nasty, you should remember some of the things you have said at local gatherings under your breath to good friends when you've tipped a bit to much spirits. never knew who dan cooper was before duane died. hah! you and duane both knew didn't you. whatever plans you two made will just be between you and me and the 6 or so people that we know that know.

you've had your fun. pee in my cornflakes and i can use the internet, too.

as too the brave supporter of this kind little old lady who happens to have other sympathy provoking maladies when needed, you said i was incomprehensible? when adressing you, i'll use monosyllabic word and no metaphor or similie. i'll also try to eat up more of my time separating my thoughts better so you can understand because i like you so much. i got nuthin' better to do with my time.

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oh yeah, fogot. the fbi watches this sight. because descriptions are perfect, they're letting the unabomber out of jail along with about 20 bank robbers just this week.

they'll want more info about duane, too. you've all convinced 'em. ted's free and clear forever.

[jackwilson 0]

For those younger viewers, and older, who want more information about this crime, in order to make a more educated opinion regarding the claims on this site.

Below is a link, where Tina Mucklow, who sat next to Cooper, states, he never took off his sunglasses.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030808172520/http://www.dccomix.com/roadkilldiaries/dbcooper.htm

The following, is an article with Sky and some reporter. In this, Sky states she was told by Duane in 1979, that "is where Cooper came out of the forest", and "maybe, I was on the ground".

remember, Sky says he never heard of DB Cooper, until 1995. She barely knew the name, yet, her husband says that is where Cooper came out of the woods, and she doesn't ask him, who's Cooper, or anything.

Not to mention, Duane's "leg" injury, is not a leg injury, but, an arthritic knee, which is caused by wear and tear, not necessarily a skydiving accident.

I thought the story was a leg injury, not a chronic arthritic knee problem. Two seperate medical conditions.

http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/columnists/boule/00/0803_boule.frame

I hope this clears up some of the confusion.

I do know this quote from Tina, is just that, a quote.

Who's more reliable, a witness who sat next to Cooper, and could visibly see if he was wearing sunglasses, or some sketch artist who wasn't even on the plane.

jacki

PS IF the links aren't working for the above articles, simply "copy" them, and paste them on the url line in another window.

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BTW:

There are actually 4 different sketches of Cooper.

In 1988, Florence Schaffner, had the sketch re-drawn because she said it never looked like Cooper.

So, the main witness, said the sketches from 1971, never looked like Cooper.

Interesting, that there are more sketches than witnesses.

That is the problem with cases like this.

People try to become part of big cases, and exaggerate their recollections.

Only 3 people had a look at Cooper, and knew he was a hijacker.

The three flight attendants.

The passengers were unaware of the hijacking, and the crew never left the cockpit.

So, all three witnesses, the three stewardesses, were all under 25 at the time, and had little experience in the air.

The man sitting across from Cooper, a 20 year old male college student, never knew Cooper was jacking the plane.

He described Cooper as medium build, 160, and was wondering why he was wearing sunglasses on a rainy day.

Of course, he found out later.

jacko

[flybounce 0]

great stuff, jacko. can i call you that?

i'll check the stuff out. i appreciate that you know your stuff and can back it up.

irrefutable facts, for some reason seem to carry more weight with me.

thanks again.

[skyjack71 0]

To - Jack Wilson aka Popeye:

Roadkill Diaries is just that - a journal - . Why don't you contact Tina Mucklow yourself. I can tell you exactly where she is and her address and telephone number, but I will not violate her privacy and I gave her my word. You seem to be able to quote old articles not FBI files.

The statement that Duane made in 1979 "That's where Cooper walked out of the woods" I replied "How would you know that" and he says "Maybe I was the one on the ground". I have said before that maybe my roots are blonde, because I did NOT even give it a thought at that time. I will say one more time - I took it as a joke or making conversation...It would be the accumulation of remarks over the yrs. and his confession - also note I did not know who Dan Cooper was until May 24 1996 (one yr and 2 months after his death). If he had said D.B. Cooper in 1995 in the hospital - I still might not have got it.

I had not read anything about Cooper except for a small 1971 article on the 3rd page of a small Ga. paper. I also read an article about the money being found and was aware that in 1980 Unsolved mysteries was having a program about the money being found. I wanted to see that program, but my husband made other plans which was not common for us on a wk. day. If I had seen that program - he would have been caught - because it would have jogged my memory about the dream (aftstairs) and the statement on the trip (he could not let that happen).

I did NOT DWELL on every little word he said. he went to great strides at that time to distract me in WA and in 1980 when the program aired. He realized he had let his guard down - he had to cover his tracks. There would be no mention of Cooper again until 1995. We spent 17 yrs plus together - remember that he was a skilled manipulator of people...and I was one of those people.

The leg injury - if you know so much about his leg - how do you know? It was not "Old Man Authur" - it was a definite injury and medical records can substantiate that.

As for the college student - have you ever talked to him? Have you ever interviewed him? Well, I have talked to him and have emails from him. I have done my home work. If you are such a sleuth - can you not find him as I did and verify your statement.

Well, again you got me to repeat the things I have said over and over - you are also a manipulator, but for your own purpose.

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jack is a manipulator for his own purposes?

oh my!!!!!!

would jack have a million dollar story if he were right? no, you would if you were! but you're not right, you know it, i know it, duane knew it and so do others.

you expect us to beleive you didn't know about cooper? just a small paper? i guess people didn't have tv and radio news back then in Ga? duane would drop big clues about being the cash terrorist of flight 305 (that oops lost the money in a bucket) to let you in on it and then draw back when it could've gotten a little closer? every time there is a good challenge yo your "facts", you come up with more "facts" never before seen.

as for everything you said, CITE YOUR SOURCE, or it's just disjointed, illogical, unbeleivable crap like everything else you said on this whole site.

at least jack makes sense and cites his sources very well.

wow, you have tina's adress and have talked to her? first of all, with your credibility, i'll beleive it when i see a video of it. if it did happen, you must indeed be a super sleuth. i'm sure you found it on your own without someone contacting you with it.

by the way, jack didn't p.m. me to defend him. i'm just allergic to b.s. that publicly distorts history and combatting your crap about your and duane's plan is the prescription from my doctor.

[Orange1 0]

I don't want to be part of all this finger pointing but to repeat an earlier question that went unanswered: Jo, in your first post you said you had done everything for the FBI but put Duane in a parachute. Have you yet managed to uncover any evidence that Duane knew how to skydive?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[highspeeddirt 0]

lets see...jackwilson 10 jumps in 2 years. boy i guess that makes you some sort of expert (at least in your own mind)

[JerryBaumchen 1,357]

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As I've previously posted; I've known Ted Mayfield continuously since 1964 and he is NOT Cooper.

I should have said "IMO." Sorry

I cannot prove that something did not happen; i.e., Ted not doing it.

My opinion is based upon what I know about Cooper (very little but I did get about a 45 min interview by the FBI back then) and what I know about Ted

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I've known Ted Mayfield continuously since 1964

I will not partake further in this as I consider it worthless. Now if you are doing it for fun, Press On.

JerryBaumchen

[awsee1 0]

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lets see...jackwilson 10 jumps in 2 years. boy i guess that makes you some sort of expert (at least in your own mind)

What kind of "expert" would the [null set] for jumps in [null set] years make you? How about in your own Walter Mitty mind?

Brenda

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while you're getting nasty, you should remember some of the things you have said at local gatherings under your breath to good friends when you've tipped a bit to much spirits.

I do not drink nor do I go to bars. Even in the yrs when I did imbide - my rule was 2 glasses of wine and if someone sent a drink to me after my two glasses of wine the waitress had a standing order to bring non alcoholic drinks. The only BAR - I have been in since 1987 is a piano bar and (that was to enjoy the music of my era). In 1987 Duane had to choose not to drink or to die - he had a kidney disease and was placed on diaysis in 1990.

The 6 of us? - you must have me confused with another wife (1963 to 1972). She is the one I have on tape - with many surprising statements. She was a very heavy drinker until the last few yrs....they don't serve alcohol in retirement homes. Geeze, you MUST BE REAL OLD,

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[skyjack71 0]

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wouldn't it be a better story if he wrapped a twenty around the bottle?

Unlike you I am not trying to tell a better story, just the truth.

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[jackwilson 0]

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As I've previously posted; I've known Ted Mayfield continuously since 1964 and he is NOT Cooper.

I should have said "IMO." Sorry

I cannot prove that something did not happen; i.e., Ted not doing it.

My opinion is based upon what I know about Cooper (very little but I did get about a 45 min interview by the FBI back then) and what I know about Ted

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I've known Ted Mayfield continuously since 1964

I will not partake further in this as I consider it worthless. Now if you are doing it for fun, Press On.

JerryBaumchen

Jerry:

thanks for the response.

I understand your frienship, and how you don't think your friend is capable, or fits the profile.

However, thanks for clearing up that it is your opinion, and that you were not with Ted while the hijacking was going on.

Without mentioning names, did you ever suspect anyone, and did you ever call in any names in hopes of getting the reward?

thanks

jacko

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lets see...jackwilson 10 jumps in 2 years. boy i guess that makes you some sort of expert (at least in your own mind)

Excuse me, but, I have never claimed to be an expert in skydiving.

10 jumps, in the scheme of things, is not a lot of jumps.

But, IMO, it is 10 more jumps than Duane Weber.

During my jumps, I have learned, that the Cooper jump, was not that difficult of a jump.

At the same time, I do realize, that this was probably not Cooper's first night jump.

Jumping at night, imo, makes the jump much more difficult.

than again, jumping in the day, would result in being caught not too long after landing.

So, I think cooper made the right choice.

After all, he is just chuckling somewhere, now isn't he.

FTR: I would have jumped after the first turn on V-23, and used the plane's turn, as a reference point.

So, anyone who says, that Cooper wouldn't know where he was, and couldn't land uninjured, is trying to make the jump more difficult than it is.

Who's to say, cooper didn't have someone on the ground, talking him down?

jacko