D B Cooper Unsolved Skyjacking

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I'm inclined to think there is another poster here to whom the truth is just as important as it is to Jo, and that person clearly does not think it was Weber - but far from being a "nuisance" to Jo I believe that person is really looking for the truth, just unwilling to explain why (and so has less sympathy from everyone else?).

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NOT one time gave any evidence that his "victim" was Cooper. This repetition caused the thread to get locked down. Catcher (he uses another name here) is a predator . I am NOT a game player.

I did not post this thread to defend my position or what I know to be the truth, but to find more about Duane's past. I came here for no other reason than to put him in a jumpsuit and to better understand of what skydiving is all about.

the recipient of a lot of information, that has been very helpful and for that "Guys & Gals" I do say Thank You. You have been a great group and I have enjoyed the site .

I will come back and tell you all when I am going to WA., if you want to know. I will have to wait and see if my health will allow it. Hoping to go in Nov.

Really sorry to be saying Goodby, but for now it is the best thing to do. All of you know my private email address - I would love hearing from all of you at any time.

GoodBy - Love, Ya All. JO WEBER

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Forget any notion of him finding a target while in flight, timing the jumprun, bailing and then landing at that target or even anywhere near it. This could almost certainly have never happened.

Could -A- jump take place? Certainly. THAT part is trivial. Leave the aircraft and hope for the best.

Could an ACCURATE jump take place to a predetermined landing area? No flippin' way. Not even close. Almost certainly not even within a theoretical 5 mile radius based on any form of navigation available to him or a ground spotter or whatever else you'd like to fantasize about.[/reply
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I agree with this. (With a round chute, at night, and then spotting from the rear of a jet where you can't see what's coming, and then not knowing exactly where you were at to start with), I think it would be all but impossible to land at a predetermined point. I think he jumped, hoping for the best, and then landed in the river....Steve1

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Having everything else "in order" is pretty useless without these 2 things. I will be much more inclined to take her version of it when we have proof that Weber had skydiving experience - we haven't seen proof of even a single jump yet.

Note the very first post by Mrs. Weber which clearly states the intent of this thread. She is seeking the assistance of the industry to acquire that information.

...yes, that was the point of an earlier post i made, not long ago, quoting her first post wrt that point and asking that question. that post was ignored. so bottom line is over 420 posts of other stuff and despite all the 'help' that crucial piece of evidence is still missing.

and i can't help noticing how someone who joins dz.com and only makes a couple of posts in this forum gets slammed IF they are 'anti' the duane theory but someone like scotty11 who does the same thing but 'pro' duane doesn't get the same treatment...

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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i'll go one step further. scotty 11 is in my opinion weber, or someone she hired with cookies or sympathy.

jo, i'm not that easy to draw out. not to you. i don't want to get someone else in trouble for just this. thanks for the compliment by the way. if i could, i would gladly take credit for being one of the two guys that solved the case. whats so bad about accusing a callous criminal of something he probabaly did. you're trying your damndest to accuse your poor hubby of being the cash terrorist of flight 305. one that could find his way down and then not find the bucket. so a dumb terrorist? at least he had the genious to make the money land together, bury together, and degrade at an amazing rate. poor man, well, okay, he deserves your accusations. this plan for money for you was mostly his. good luck getting to WA. the neighborhood can breathe a sigh for a week anyway. nice thing though, your insults let me know you still care. good luck on your millions. call me an idiot in your book. can't wait for the exciting next episode in the next 12 monthe. i'll stay tuned. i'm sure it'll be exciting fluff, er, stuff

as for the jump being impossible to ballpark? mr. mayfield disagrees with you. wholeheartedly. he has a lot of experience, too. blanket statements to support your theory are still an opinion. there were a room full of rocket scientists a few years ago that said a piece of foam couldn't bring down a shuttle. those were very well educated, very knowledgeable opinions. some from designers of parts of the craft. they were still, i believe without malice, wrong.

as for the jump itself? $200,000 would be worth what, $1mill. today? heck, give me the same conditions today and set it up, i'll plan it and walk away with $100,000 in today's money. any takers? go together on it? jo? you could get rid of me. heck, you all say you won't have to pay up anyway?

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jo, er, scotty11, you used the word fecitious. no one around here will let you use it in scrabble. did you mean facetious?

anyway, welcome new person

to get you up to speed, i think i know a lot and probably do. jack is the only one that i would say definitely does and backs his stuff up.

anyway, were supposed to argue in circles and forget facts. have fun.

oh, fyi, the ones who disagree with skyterrorist that lost money in bucket , er , skyjack are free to be openly ridiculed and deserve no sympathy. bash away.

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as for the jump being impossible to ballpark? mr. mayfield disagrees with you. wholeheartedly. he has a lot of experience, too.

If you know him so well and how to contact him, perhaps you can arrange for him to make a couple of posts. I'd love to hear how he believes it could be done.

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FOLKS GO TO THIS SITE AND FIND MORE OF THE SAME: http://www.city-data.com/forum/other-topics/92806-d-b-cooper.html. You might find it interesting. There is also another site claiming that someone in New York has Cooper. The postings there also are very familiar.

I have not been looking on the internet and it is amazing what has happened out there. So the trolls started in on me at on 101 - a writing forum.
Then to Unsolved Mysteries and then to Drop Zone.

The internet used to be a useful tool, but now these people posing as someone else - has made it not much use for a real investigation. If the trolls are real people with genuine interest and a genuine suspects then there is no reason not to work with other people who also have the same interest - you might find connections.

There is also a Private Investigator out of N.Y claiming to have Cooper. This has turned into a real farce. In 1996 I came forward with my husbands confess to the FBI and went public in 2000. At that time there was virtually nothing on the web about Cooper....now it is covered up.

I only came here tonight to let all of you know what I have found. If you are like me and a genuine person you only go to very reputable site and sites that you feel might be able to assist you.

Sorta sounds like someone is trying to create an interest in Cooper to sell a book - another I wannabe. Someone else did this about 4 yrs ago and the book didn't make it - a few people got suckered into the book - it was a very dirty book. Yea, I got suckered. Don't waste your money.

Just thought you all might like to know! Bye.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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ted's not hard to find. phonebook. sheridan, or. jo also knows how to contact. or, just look at what he has already said on camera.

compare the contradictions from all sources from teddy's own testimony. also, what he says that the fbi contradicts.

jo? troll here and non-genuine person. i have never shopped a book deal like you have. i've never been nto those other sites, but nice try. your story is pure crap surrounded by fluff.

by the way, great planning to take a pic of duane in the db cooper sunglasses from the sketch. i see that on your little thumbnails on the left of your posts. how lucky to have planned that snapshot in advance. now i am being facetious.

if you call me troll can i call you hag? can i call you a fake person? would this name calling end if i let you know my identity? would you walk down the street and have coffe with me? or would you do your best to make my life and a couple of our neighbors as miserable as you could? no way, someone who would do that would resort to name calling as much as she thought she could get away with when someone disagreed with her.

jo, your plan and surrounding story has always been crap with no evidenciary backing, strings of massive illogic, and contradiction of you, by you. have fun, and good luck on your book deal. i really wouldn't mind if you made a few million. there have been less beleivable books written on the subject, but only slightly.

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I'm inclined to think there is another poster here to whom the truth is just as important as it is to Jo, and that person clearly does not think it was Weber - but far from being a "nuisance" to Jo I believe that person is really looking for the truth, just unwilling to explain why (and so has less sympathy from everyone else?).

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Just read this post properly now - Jo, you seem very sure of which person I am referring to. I deliberately left the name out, there are more than one who have been 'arguing' for the other side, and i am not at all sure you have the right one, certainly the motivation i picked up had nothing to do with either badgering you or pointing fingers at mayfield.

fwiw i personally don't think enough evidence for anything (either 'side') has been presented. by anyone.

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jo?
by the way, great planning to take a pic of duane in the db cooper sunglasses from the sketch. i see that on your little thumbnails on the left of your posts. how lucky to have planned that snapshot in advance. now i am being facetious.
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I have no enemys I am aware of and I am a very forgiving person. I have not called you names - I am referring to the multiple posts that are total jibberish by who ever is making them. Unfortunately your are not very concise - if you fall into that category then that is your own fault.

As for the "avitar" the pictures to the left of my posts that picture of Duane is with real glasses taken during the first few yrs I knew him when "Cooper" had never been mentioned.

I am willing to let by gones be by-gones - --if you will STOP attacking every word I say. I have enjoyed this forum. but not the bantering and useless information that is happening at this time.

I am NOT the one with a book deal - maybe something else is stewing in the pot - who knows!
It is someone else out there I am referring to who claims a Book is coming out.

This is when I found all this other "stuff". I have only regularly posted to 101, unsolved mysteries and drop zone. In other areas I may have made a casual post just to see what it was about. Hence you owe me an apology.

If you indeed have a true interest in this subject and a suspect, I would be more than willing to share information with you on a private basis - by phone or in-person - because this is what it is going to take to ever solve this . Others out there are making claims - but there are also those who are into this only to create chaos.

I have not referred just to you as a troll, but also two others. Maybe troll is not the word - because I actually didn't know what a troll was until I looked it up. I would say "Trouble Makers" and "Wannabes" because that makes more sense to my old mind.

I haven't tried to control this site, I just simply tried to keep it focused on the reason I started the thread, if that is wrong I apologize. I said I would not be posting - but the definition of a troll is someone who insites others to post to defend themselves. This is how I have felt - that I had to defend myself and the thread.

call a truce we can get this site on to something real and not trivial. Honest sharing of reliable information that the Skydivers who read this forum have the ability to help us with.

Folk, I know this is a long post, but felt it needed to be said. Thank you again for your patience and support .

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Getting caught up on this thread is exhausting, but I have done it. So lets start from the beginning, who was DB Cooper?

-DB Cooper was not a drinker, he only had one drink and spilled a portion of that. If someone was a drinker, in a situation like this he would have had more than just one in the five hours he was on the plane.

-He was not a chain smoker, he was on the aircraft for five hours and only smoked 8 cigarettes. That would make him a smoker of less than a pack-a-day and this under normal conditions.

-He spoke in an intelligent manner and never lost his cool, he was always polite throughout the ordeal.

-He had brown eyes (Schaffner saw his eyes before he put on the glasses, he looked directly at her several times urging her to read the note)

-He is 5'10 to 6'1 (Mucklow is 5'8 and spent 5 hours with Cooper, she would know if he was her height or taller. Have someone 5'8 stand next to someone 6 feet, the difference is obvious. Better yet, position yourself at a level of 5'8 and look at someone at a 6' elevation. Now spend 5 hours with that person, you'll know the difference. No one put Cooper under 5'10.

-He had olive skin (no make-up, neither Mucklow, Schaffner or Hancock made comment on make-up which would have been very obvious. Again, do the math, put dark makeup on someone then sit next to them with your shoulders touching, you can see the make-up.)

-He had dark hair, receding with sideburns (no wig, this would have been painfully obvious, if a man was wearing a wig with a receding hair line and side burns everyone would have noticed, especially Mucklow and Schaffner.)

-He was med built (no one put him over 190 lbs, in fact most put him 180 or under. Find a man 6 foot 180 lbs, thats a med to thin build.)

These are the facts on his physical make-up, if your suspect does not match these you may want to start looking at someone else.

DB Cooper had A.D.D, his attention to detail was poor. He got the big picture, but missed the brush strokes. He was also a "know-it-all." The type of person who would learn a few facts and then become an expert on the subject. One of those people who has just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

DB Cooper most likely served in the military and upon leaving used his technical training as a contractor in the airline industry, in and around Seattle. He rose to a mid-level management position but when he could rise no further or his project never got off the ground, he quit or was fired, "because no one understood him or were just to stupid to get it."

Soon thereafter he ran into big financial problems that had a set deadline for resolution. Just as always he developed the "big picture" for getting the money but the escape was very poorly planned.

Would any of you make the following jump?

Here are some facts to consider if he survived and if you could pull it off.

The weather: Ceiling of 5,000 feet, broken clouds at 3,500, scattered clouds at 1,500. Winds of 12 to 14 knots, light rain showers.

The jump: DB's chute was a military style 28' canopy. The planes speed was 173 knots when he jumped at 10,000 feet in full darkness.

The landing: Forest with no lights. Possibly mountainous depending upon which theory you buy into.

So, You would have to make the jump in a business suit, old military style 28' chute, in a rain storm, at night, no lights, or equipment of any kind. Oh, and you would have to tie an additional 25 pounds to your waist to recreate the weight of money and jump at 10,000' from the back of a plane moving at 200 mph. In the end you'd have to stick the landing in the middle of a forest at about 30 mph with a 14 knot wind.

And it goes on and on.

Hopefully I will soon be able to answer many questions in this case and perhaps maybe the ultimate one.

And yes Grabgrass, FBI agents can read.

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>>In the end you'd have to stick the landing in the middle of a forest at about 30 mph with a 14 knot wind.Welcome to DZ.com.

If I may, you're making the same mistake even newer experienced jumpers make. Putting a round parachute into the trees in a 14 mph wind is not that big of deal. In fact, I'm sure Cooper was praying for a tree landing. And if your thirty mph figure is from adding in canopy speed, either horizontally or vertically - you're dreaming.

And a 28-foot round parachute is not small for a round, I made my first 30 jumps on the same type 28-foot military surplus canopies. Many of us here did. And the last round reserve parachute I landed on hard ground was 22-feet in diameter and believe me I was "looking" for a tree to get hung up in.

There's a technique whereby a jumper can cover the vital parts of the body that every first time jumper (used to) learn when we all jumped round parachutes. A round parachute moving sideways, as it would do a little bit on its own, and more so with some wind, can place a jumper into the tops of big trees (where they are bendy) as soft as landing in a feather bed . . .

It would have actually been more dangerous for Cooper had it been a dead calm night. Coming straight down into a tree is way more dangerous than hitting them with some sideways motion.

Getting out of a tree is usually the tougher part, but considering what he just went through, not impossible. I have, and lots of other jumpers have, hit trees with round parachutes in greater than 15 mph of wind in the old days. The higher winds are why we wound up in the trees in the first place.

Are you buying into the Hollywood hype where in any group of parachute jumpers someone always breaks a leg or twists an ankle? That's a plot device not real life. Or the old war movies where in every jump someone always goes into a tree and dies?

How many sport jumpers have landed in trees since the 1950s when skydiving first began? Hundreds? I'd say probably thousands.

Since I started jumping in 1975 I can only remember one single jumper being killed by a tree. That was at a Solider of Fortune convention in Las Vegas in the early 1980s. That poorly trained first time jumper had his neck pierced by a branch. There may be another one or two worldwide I don’t know about, but landing in a tree is far from instant death.

If Cooper managed to get his canopy to deploy cleanly (and there is no reason to believe he didn't) the worst of the entire airborne ordeal was behind him . . .

Now getting out of that wilderness would be another thing altogether. But I was just watching Survivorman the other night and . . .

NickD BASE 194

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oh my,

so your last part says fbi agents can read. are you claiming to be one? if so, your know it all attitude from less than stellar sources and leaps in logic would explain why the case never got solved. i don't beleive you are an agent, though.

the books by those who actually used some semblance of method for research are the best so far but are not perfect. try himmelsbach or tosaw. you will find that the best guess is that he never took his glasses off and that tina never stood next to him while he was standing. did she ask him to set the bomb down, stand up for a compare and to please take his glasses off for a picture? the guy wasn't stupid.
tina - 5 hours solid with him is a bit of a stretch, even from unreliable sources.

the landing, the first reply to you is experinced, well thought out and reasoned. i'll give you something less, i would duplicate the jump if someone set it up and offered me 1/10th the value of cooper's stash.
$100,000. any takers?

i think it was two bourbon and 7-up's. not a drinker? you can't know that. people have different motivations for different things. don't turn good or bad guesses and opinions into facts.

isolate the descriptions - no composite descriptions - to the ones that should most likely know, he was compact, wellbuilt, swarthy, receding hairline,and had dark, peircing eyes. (he probably wore sunglasses as disguise the whole time, but no-one's perfect.)

make-up? what fool said you can't take it down your neck to your chest. i think he probably had a solid weather worn tan, and no makup, but i could wear some disguise or stage makeup and spend the day with you and you wouldn't have a clue. not all makeup is an old thick pancake base.

most all wigs are probably obvious, not painfully obvious. so many peopls turn opinions into facts. want to know a good investigator, ask him what the facts are, look for a short list, with no room for opinion and a longer list of probablies.

cooper had a.d.d.? i got it now, you're a high level fbi profiler. you''re hot on the trail of cooper and you're sharing the knowledge with the public.

is a.d.d. a diagnosis doctor? or are you projecting?

where is the weather report from? is that local, or the whole pacific northwest. specifics, bob.

i'm slamming you when other's have slammed me. is it wrong? i couldn't resist because of the veiled fbi agent claim and the trying to turn bad info into fact.

did ya see jo? i supported the drinker claim for you and duane. hey, bad methodology is what it is.

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specifics, bob.

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Strange 'phenomenon' ... a well thought out and logical discourse.

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"DB Cooper was not a drinker"

He did order at least 2 drinks - Duane was able to control his drinking and he did not drink except on week-ends or when we went out.
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"He was not a chain smoker"

There are people who would think 8 cigarettes in 5 hours was chain smoking. Duane was not a chain smoker.
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-"He spoke in an intelligent manner"

Duane was well thought out, extremely intelligent and he did not become sucessful by loosing his cool.
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"He had brown eyes (Schaffner saw his eyes before he put on the glasses, he looked directly at her several times urging her to read the note)"

I have been trying to tell people this, but there are certain people who will make claims otherwise for their own benefit.
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"He is 5'10 to 6'1"

This is a battle brought on by only the KOIN guys. Only someone with their own battle would have tired claim Cooper was shorter
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"He had olive skin (no make-up, neither)"

I will dispute this - as it was said by later reports that he could have been American Indian. They had a hard time describing the complexion - when Duane got in the sun he got a golden color to his olive skin. Duane's complexion was difficult to describe.
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"He had dark hair, receding with sideburns no wig."

This is on target 100 percent.
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"He was med built no one put him over 190 lb."

Bingo
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"DB Cooper had A.D.D, his attention to detail was poor. He got the big picture, but missed the brush strokes. He was also a "know-it-all." The type of person who would learn a few facts and then become an expert on the subject. One of those people who has just enough knowledge to be dangerous."

Dead on, but I would not call it A.D.D.
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"DB Cooper most likely served in the military. He rose to a mid-level management position but when he could rise no further or his project never got off the ground."

Sounds like you have a suspect. But who did the jump?
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"Would any of you make the following jump?"

Needed a jumper with nothing to loose such as a guy he met in the hospital.
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"The jump: DB's chute was a military style 28' canopy."

Do you know how many people will argue otherwise? I just don't go there because I don't know anything about chutes - but the pictures I recieved show the same hardware Duane kept all of those yrs. I don't have a clue what kind of chutes they are or what he actually used. People wrote what they wanted to write in their books to sell them.
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"So, You would have to make the jump in a business suit, old military style 28' chute, in a rain storm, at night."

Only if you had NOTHING to loose.
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"Hopefully I will soon be able to answer many questions in this case and perhaps maybe the ultimate one."

I hope so I do truely hope so - I would like to see this end be it Duane or someone else.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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"so your last part says fbi agents can read. are you claiming to be one? if so, your know it all attitude from less than stellar sources and leaps in logic would explain why the case never got solved. i don't beleive you are an agent, though."

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Bounce, you must be in HOG HEAVEN - now you have someone else to slam with your jibberish besides me. Why can't you just once greet someone nicely or go to the FBI reports and interview the people involved

BY THE WAY HE DID NOT SAY HE WAS FBI.

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These are the facts on his physical make-up, if your suspect does not match these you may want to start looking at someone else.

These are *NOT* "Facts", they are observations, and they are subject to human error. The minute you assume they are "facts" and they are absolutely accurate and hold to a rigid profile, and eliminate suspects because of it, you're formulating a recipe for an unsolved case.

I suppose you'll tell us that it's a "fact" that cooper looked like either of the FBI sketches. Why then did Florence have to work on a re-sketch for Unsolved Mysteries?

Seems you need to do a little homework.

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hey, didn't you recently offer a truce, you lying, old drunken windbag? i didn't say yes quick enough? you delusional old hag?

he made a veiled reference that he hoped would be interpreted thataway and still give plausible deniability. thanks for defending the coward.

wow, he agrees a lot with you so you defend? astonishing intellectual honesty.

how's that for gibberish. you're whole made up plan and story is gibberish.

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In any investigation there are a set on known facts that can't be reasonably disputed, a foundation if you will. From there you move into reported fact, information provided by witnesses both actual observers and those related to the event by some circumstance. Combined with physical evidence, the three form investigative theory which hopefully was derived by careful analysis.

It is the theory that drives the investigation in a logical direction, without a solid one you would spin off in directions that would not lead to a resolution.

I would urge you to strip away all in your current investigation back to the raw facts, What do you know for sure that no one can reasonably dispute? Make that your baseline.

Then add those reported facts that are not in dispute.

Now look at the reported facts that are in dispute, where did you get your information and compare it to the information that disputes your reported facts. Where did the person that is disputing your reported facts get their info from.

When you go back and look at your investigation to date, I think you'll find many of the reported facts that your basing some of your investigative theory on are actually theoretical fact (he wore makeup, he had a wig.....)

The physical description I provided is a reported fact. No matter how much you would like to change it you simply can't throw it out and replace it with theoretical fact so it fits your suspect. If you do, your investigation is doomed to fail.

No matter how much someone wants to put DB Cooper's height at 5'8" will never change the fact he was reported to be 6'. You can certainly say it's so but you have to have articulable fact to support the dismissal of the witnesses credibility. But if you discredit the witness on one piece of her statement you may have to discredit all, you can't have it both ways.

I gave you the reported facts from the original 302's completed by the agents who personally conducted the interviews.

The theory (A.D.D., "know it all" ...) is what I came up with from almost 20 years of experience, actual and reported fact.

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hey, didn't you recently offer a truce, you lying, old drunken windbag? i didn't say yes quick enough? you delusional old hag?

he made a veiled reference that he hoped would be interpreted thataway and still give plausible deniability. thanks for defending the coward.

wow, he agrees a lot with you so you defend? astonishing intellectual honesty.
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Well , if thats not a PERSONAL ATTACk I'll eat your hat.
Hey Moderators......WAKE UP ! ! ! !

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hey, didn't you recently offer a truce, you lying, old drunken windbag? i didn't say yes quick enough? you delusional old hag?

he made a veiled reference that he hoped would be interpreted thataway and still give plausible deniability. thanks for defending the coward.

wow, he agrees a lot with you so you defend? astonishing intellectual honesty.

how's that for gibberish. you're whole made up plan and story is gibberish.

Impressive!

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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hey, didn't you recently offer a truce, you lying, old drunken windbag? i didn't say yes quick enough? you delusional old hag?

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I'm going to sell this thread to FOX for a new reality show...

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Banned for 30.

Let's keep it civil folks.

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