Would you jump this

[Broke 0]

I was browsing ebay and lookie what I found for sale a "New" Strato Flyer

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sport-Parachute-Ram-Air-Strato-Flyer-New_W0QQitemZ130152851272QQihZ003QQcategoryZ106980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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[JerryBaumchen 1,365]

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

JerryBaumchen

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So I am guessing that is a no?

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[darkwing 5]

I have about 50 jumps on one, and I'd do it again, but only into the water, or out of a plane that just had a wing fall off.

-- Jeff
My Skydiving History

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What was jumping those like?

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[jonstark 8]

I've got a thousand jumps on one as well as 5 BASE jumps, numerous dead centers and some tight, urban demos. I was and still am 150 pounds but my legs are no longer made of spring steel. I'd jump one on a breezy day, no problem.

The pic attached was a trick I often did which made the canopy fly even better.

jon

[zoobrothertom 5]

It was my first square! I put about 100 jumps on one. It definitely improved my landing skills!

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He's also got what looks like a K-XX round reserve by Pioneer for sale.

They were the bomb until the acid mesh problem became an issue.

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Murray

"No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey

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Yeah I saw that too

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What was jumping those like?

Even then, in a young man's body, it was like jumping a canopy that didn't flare as much as you'd like, and landed harder than you liked. That is the main reason I made a few that had 6, 7 or 8 cells. They were better.

-- Jeff
My Skydiving History

[fastphil 0]

Kind of expensive, I can remember when you could get slightly used ones for free. I liked the canopy, it was a pretty radical little "flyer". Like jonstark, I used it for BASE jumps and tight demos, and made a lot of barefoot jumps and pavement landings...

[RogerRamjet 0]

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The pic attached was a trick I often did which made the canopy fly flare even better.

jon

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[drjump 0]

NO!

[usedtajump 1]

My first square jump was on a Flyer modified into a 7 cell. Worked fine.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

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He's also got what looks like a K-XX round reserve by Pioneer for sale.

They were the bomb until the acid mesh problem became an issue.

Jumped one yesterday.

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[murrays 0]

ReallY!! Very cool! I always loved the cat-eye vent at the apex of the canopy.

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Murray

"No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey

[Zing 2]

I don't think that's a K-XX.
It looks like the original Pioneer 23' tri-con. I had one that was identical to the one shown, used it twice with no problems, but they were grounded later after a few of them blew apart on terminal openings. Even without those patches, it isn't any good for anything but a car cover or a play parachute for a daycare centee.
Those tri-cons had the "cat's eye" vent that was also used in the K-series reserves.
Also, I'm pretty sure they weren't manufacturing K-XXs in 1969.

Zing Lurks

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Of course it wasn't anywhere near terminal and I did land it in the water.

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[Taylor610 0]

Even then, in a young man's body, it was like jumping a canopy that didn't flare as much as you'd like, and landed harder than you liked. That is the main reason I made a few that had 6, 7 or 8 cells. They were better.

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Once you got it to a 7 cell, wouldn't it have been considered a strato-cloud?? My first square main was a bullet proof cloud with a 24' flat with a 4-line release. It was all "nicely placed" (ever so gently) into a Racer SST (struggle struggle thump)

Wooo-Hooo!!!! Those were the days!!!!

[wmw999 2,452]

I'd have to agree. The tricon was block-cut if I remember, and the KXX (which I also had, and stood up when I used it) was bias-cut.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Wendy,

You and Zing are correct. I've never seen a Pioneer 23' Tricon but when I saw the cat-eye vent I thought maybe it was a K-XX or K-22 I guess would be closer in size. I never jumped a K-XX but lots of my friends did and they always had good landings with them. In fact, one of my friends had to use his on a demo into a football stadium and stood it up on the 50 yard line.....or in Canadian football fields the 55 yeard line

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Murray

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Of course it wasn't anywhere near terminal and I did land it in the water.

JP - Have you done many other round jumps? If you haven't, what did you think of the quiet under the round?

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Murray

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[peckerhead 0]

I have about 120 jumps on strato flyers and strato stars including 3 cutaways, two on the dame day.

My first jump on a square was a strato star. I had better landings with a PC.

I might consider a water jump on one.

[diablopilot 2]

I have 9 round jumps, none landed on dry land (breakaways or water landings), but I do like the quiet, and floating feeling as a change.

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[piper17 1]

Zing,

The K-XX and K-22 reserves were not produced until very late in the 70s or early 80s. I joined Pioneer in May of 78. I was hired to get them back into the sport market. We quickly released the Super 22 reserve and sold a lot of them. With the push to smaller and lighter gear, we then produced the K-XX and K-22. These were both tri-conical in design but had diapers for deployment. The lack of a diaper was what caused the problems with the original "Tri-Con" reserve and the "Reuter Wrap" was what Pioneer's Jim Reuter developed to fix the issue. The diaper appeared sometime later and was adopted by Pioneer (and other round reserve manufacturers) as being superior to the Reuter Wrap.

By the way, the "K" referred to the use of kevlar reinforcing bands instead of nylon. Since kevlar does not burn like nylon does, in the event of an inversion (line-over, mae west, etc) during deployment, the kevlar bands would help the canopy remain round even if the nylon panels were damaged. National Parachute adopted the idea with their round reserve shortly thereafter.

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