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snowmman 3
In 1971, Elvis had made appearances in Las Vegas and Lake Tahoe. He frequented the Reno area.
His last tour in 1971 started November 5th and ended abruptly on November 16, mere days before the hijacking.
If a person needed to "lie low" in a requested destination like Reno for a few days...
REPLY> Cooper never requested Reno.
FBI websiteWhen the flight landed in Seattle, the hijacker exchanged the flight’s 36 passengers for the money and parachutes. Cooper kept several crewmembers, and the plane took off again, ordered to set a course for Mexico City.
Somewhere between Seattle and Reno, a little after 8:00 p.m., the hijacker did the incredible: he jumped out of the back of the plane with a parachute and the ransom money.
You can't cover up the "Elvis Factor". It's even on the FBI website.
pretty funny....the sentence basically says "we don't know where the plane was a little after 8:00 pm, but it was somewhere between Seattle and Reno".
If you wanted to bound the possible jump by Seattle and Reno, those times are known precisely..you wouldn't say 'a little after 8:00 pm".
Note the Elvis Factor continued with Heady's hijack and jump in Reno in '72. Lapoint's hijack started in Las Vegas in '72. Some news articles mentioned the money was gathered from casinos [for Heady?], but I suspect the money was really provided by Elvis, since he was Nixon's main man on the scene.
Nixon -> Elvis -> Cooper. It's pretty simple to figure out.
The Nixon/Elvis meeting memorandum has a reference to "radio sets". This happened on 12/21/70. It's likely a coded message about radios Cooper would use, or DF equipment for the BTG vortac.
(edit) "4 radio sets" are mentioned. Possibly a reference to 4 chutes.
(edit) note the mirror imaging implicit in the date selection: 12/21
Hendrix and Joplin were referenced, but I believe that was to steer investigators away from Jimmy Page, the true co-conspirator I have id'ed before.
When the flight landed in Seattle, the hijacker exchanged the flight’s 36 passengers for the money and parachutes. Cooper kept several crewmembers, and the plane took off again, ordered to set a course for Mexico City.
Somewhere between Seattle and Reno, a little after 8:00 p.m., the hijacker did the incredible: he jumped out of the back of the plane with a parachute and the ransom money.
What you are reading is not the official FOIA. You are reading a brief come-on by a writer who before even had a date error at the time of the original posting..
I just went back to the site and the error was corrected. It is a tickler to pull the FOIA's and state the crime. I contacted the FBI site when it first came up about the error - but recieved no acknowledgement and have not been back until a moment ago.
Don't believe everything you read even when the site says FBI.
Note that article is archived, but I have an old one I printed and someday when I have time I will find it and scan it to show the error.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Orange1 0
Hendrix and Joplin were referenced, but I believe that was to steer investigators away from Jimmy Page, the true co-conspirator I have id'ed before.
Jimmy Page? No, I don't believe it. After all he is still (officially) alive, if he really was a co-conspirator his death would have been faked, along with all the others. Unless you believe that because Page is British the FBI wouldn't've bothered to include him in the (sshhhhh) cover-up?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
Hendrix and Joplin were referenced, but I believe that was to steer investigators away from Jimmy Page, the true co-conspirator I have id'ed before.
Jimmy Page? No, I don't believe it. After all he is still (officially) alive, if he really was a co-conspirator his death would have been faked, along with all the others. Unless you believe that because Page is British the FBI wouldn't've bothered to include him in the (sshhhhh) cover-up?
Your head is humming and it wont go
In case you dont know,
The pipers calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow,
And did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind.
If someone was standing on the aft stairs... that would be their final words to a flight attendant.
snowmman 3
remember how I said, "everything is online"....
found a collector's site that gives the first step in understanding this flight scheduling issue, and when 305 added the Seattle leg.
http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/northwest.htm
has a list of all Northwest timetables printed.
The info is collected from an assortment of collectors. They are motivated, so it can be considered reasonably definitive?
Here's the schedules available, given the dates they were active. They give numbers for the schedule, but I think those are just collectors' reference numbers.
Contrary to my guess, the schedules didn't always become active on the first.
The missing schedules we need are:
10-01-71
10-31-71
I'll try emailing the collectors.
Here are all the dates, starting from around the previous year's thanksgiving. Note that in 1970, there was a new schedule on 11/16. (edit) the closest in 1971 would be 10-31-71. So there wasn't a special "holiday" schedule? not printed at least?
10-25-70
11-16-70
12-01-70
12-17-70
01-18-71
02-01-71
03-01-71
04-01-71
04-25-71
06-01-71
08-01-71
10-01-71
10-31-71
12-15-71
found a collector's site that gives the first step in understanding this flight scheduling issue, and when 305 added the Seattle leg.
http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/northwest.htm
has a list of all Northwest timetables printed.
The info is collected from an assortment of collectors. They are motivated, so it can be considered reasonably definitive?
Here's the schedules available, given the dates they were active. They give numbers for the schedule, but I think those are just collectors' reference numbers.
Contrary to my guess, the schedules didn't always become active on the first.
The missing schedules we need are:
10-01-71
10-31-71
I'll try emailing the collectors.
Here are all the dates, starting from around the previous year's thanksgiving. Note that in 1970, there was a new schedule on 11/16. (edit) the closest in 1971 would be 10-31-71. So there wasn't a special "holiday" schedule? not printed at least?
10-25-70
11-16-70
12-01-70
12-17-70
01-18-71
02-01-71
03-01-71
04-01-71
04-25-71
06-01-71
08-01-71
10-01-71
10-31-71
12-15-71
snowmman 3
Hendrix and Joplin were referenced, but I believe that was to steer investigators away from Jimmy Page, the true co-conspirator I have id'ed before.
Jimmy Page? No, I don't believe it. After all he is still (officially) alive, if he really was a co-conspirator his death would have been faked, along with all the others. Unless you believe that because Page is British the FBI wouldn't've bothered to include him in the (sshhhhh) cover-up?Your head is humming and it wont go
In case you dont know,
The pipers calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow,
And did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind.
If someone was standing on the aft stairs... that would be their final words to a flight attendant.
Exactly, happythoughts!
You see my point clearly. If there was a conspiracy, there would be clues. So when we find clues like this, it clearly validates the conspiracy.
I don't want to spell it all out, but everyone knows that
Squeeky Fromme tried to pass a note to Jimmy Page at a concert right? This is documented in wikipedia. The note was burned without being read. While Fromme was probably not involved in the Cooper event, she may have been experiencing clairvoyance about a CIA sniper in the crowd. I believe that rather than covering up Page, there were attempts to silence him thru assassination.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynette_Fromme
"Attempt to contact Jimmy Page
In March 1975, Fromme confronted Danny Goldberg, the publicist for English rock band Led Zeppelin, which was performing concerts in the United States as part of its North American concert tour. She said she had to see Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page, because she had foreseen something evil in his future and thought it might happen that night during the band's concert at the Long Beach Arena. She swore that the last time this had happened, she had seen someone shot to death before her very eyes. Goldberg persuaded her to write a long note to Page, after which she left. The note was burned, unread."
snowmman 3
I attached the front covers of the oct 1,1971 and oct 31,1971 timetables..they were at that site.
So someone has a copy, somewhere.
(edit)
src: http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/northwest/gal/nwgal70.htm
So someone has a copy, somewhere.
(edit)
src: http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/northwest/gal/nwgal70.htm
georger 247
remember how I said, "everything is online"....
found a collector's site that gives the first step in understanding this flight scheduling issue, and when 305 added the Seattle leg.
http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/northwest.htm
has a list of all Northwest timetables printed.
The info is collected from an assortment of collectors. They are motivated, so it can be considered reasonably definitive?
Here's the schedules available, given the dates they were active. They give numbers for the schedule, but I think those are just collectors' reference numbers.
Contrary to my guess, the schedules didn't always become active on the first.
The missing schedules we need are:
10-01-71
10-31-71
I'll try emailing the collectors.
Here are all the dates, starting from around the previous year's thanksgiving. Note that in 1970, there was a new schedule on 11/16. (edit) the closest in 1971 would be 10-31-71. So there wasn't a special "holiday" schedule? not printed at least?
10-25-70
11-16-70
12-01-70
12-17-70
01-18-71
02-01-71
03-01-71
04-01-71
04-25-71
06-01-71
08-01-71
10-01-71
10-31-71
12-15-71
:::: I emailed the website owner too - he may know
how, when, and where the 11/24/71 sked was made, printed by who, etc.
snowmman 3
I think Jo has blinders on when it comes to the Page conspiracy.
As I've said before, I really hate being dragged thru all this again, kicking and screaming. But facts are facts.
Like Jimi Hendrix. Everyone knows he was a jumper right? Seriously.
From his bio at http://www.hotshotdigital.com/WellAlwaysRemember/JimiHendrixBio.html
"..[Jimi]... voluntarily joining the army at 17.
After 14 months as a paratrooper, learning a lot about falling and flying, he suffered an injury and was discharged. He decided to enter the music field."
Note that the biographer specifically calls out "falling' and "flying".
More detail from http://www.nndb.com/people/885/000031792/
Trained at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Got his discharge after breaking his ankle. He was born in 1942, so that would be around 1960.
That site also notes the service was compulsory, apparently part of a deal after a legal issue involving car theft?
Note the jump training helps confirm everything I've been saying. I don't know if they held the car theft over his head again, since he didn't fullfill the 2 year service commitment, but maybe that was part of it.
I'll leave it unsaid whether his death was accidental on 9/18/70. Note that it was right before the Elvis/Nixon meeting on 12/21/70, that initiated the Elvis Factor that happythoughts and orange1 have also id'ed.
(remember Hendrix is referenced in the Elvis/Nixon meeting memorandum)
I would note that the original b/w newscast announcing his death, used a disclaimer... "apparently from an overdose of drugs" .......see youtube here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ps16GlrgA
Elvis is mentioned.
As I've said before, I really hate being dragged thru all this again, kicking and screaming. But facts are facts.
Like Jimi Hendrix. Everyone knows he was a jumper right? Seriously.
From his bio at http://www.hotshotdigital.com/WellAlwaysRemember/JimiHendrixBio.html
"..[Jimi]... voluntarily joining the army at 17.
After 14 months as a paratrooper, learning a lot about falling and flying, he suffered an injury and was discharged. He decided to enter the music field."
Note that the biographer specifically calls out "falling' and "flying".
More detail from http://www.nndb.com/people/885/000031792/
Trained at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Got his discharge after breaking his ankle. He was born in 1942, so that would be around 1960.
That site also notes the service was compulsory, apparently part of a deal after a legal issue involving car theft?
Note the jump training helps confirm everything I've been saying. I don't know if they held the car theft over his head again, since he didn't fullfill the 2 year service commitment, but maybe that was part of it.
I'll leave it unsaid whether his death was accidental on 9/18/70. Note that it was right before the Elvis/Nixon meeting on 12/21/70, that initiated the Elvis Factor that happythoughts and orange1 have also id'ed.
(remember Hendrix is referenced in the Elvis/Nixon meeting memorandum)
I would note that the original b/w newscast announcing his death, used a disclaimer... "apparently from an overdose of drugs" .......see youtube here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ps16GlrgA
Elvis is mentioned.
Orange1 0
Hendrix and Joplin were referenced, but I believe that was to steer investigators away from Jimmy Page, the true co-conspirator I have id'ed before.
Jimmy Page? No, I don't believe it. After all he is still (officially) alive, if he really was a co-conspirator his death would have been faked, along with all the others. Unless you believe that because Page is British the FBI wouldn't've bothered to include him in the (sshhhhh) cover-up?Your head is humming and it wont go
In case you dont know,
The pipers calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow,
And did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind.
If someone was standing on the aft stairs... that would be their final words to a flight attendant.
OK, OK, you've convinced me.. the evidence is overwhelming. But there's another twist to this, right - if you've seen The Song Remains the Same, you'll know there was some money stolen in NY as well. IIRC it was a little less than (ta daaaaa) $200K... spot a pattern here?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
snowmman 3
Orange1 said:
Orange1: I was not aware of the theft from the safe deposit box at the Drake hotel. I did the requisite search thru the newspapers, and attached an article from the wire services that details it. 7/30/73 Lowell Sun.
The money has apparently never been recovered.
It was between $203,800 and $229,000.
There was no indication that the box had been forced open. Two keys were needed to open, one that the desk clerk had, and one that the tour manager had.
Jo has mentioned a desk clerk before.
OK, OK, you've convinced me.. the evidence is overwhelming. But there's another twist to this, right - if you've seen The Song Remains the Same, you'll know there was some money stolen in NY as well. IIRC it was a little less than (ta daaaaa) $200K... spot a pattern here?
Orange1: I was not aware of the theft from the safe deposit box at the Drake hotel. I did the requisite search thru the newspapers, and attached an article from the wire services that details it. 7/30/73 Lowell Sun.
The money has apparently never been recovered.
It was between $203,800 and $229,000.
There was no indication that the box had been forced open. Two keys were needed to open, one that the desk clerk had, and one that the tour manager had.
Jo has mentioned a desk clerk before.
FBI website
You can't cover up the "Elvis Factor". It's even on the FBI website.
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