DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

If I was telling the night clerk story, I would have said a FBI agent who said his name was "Rick Webber"...looked to be in his mid-30's, picked up the register.
He seemed like a new guy, like he hadn't been in the FBI that long, said he was a "Special Agent".

See then, you'd check out those verifiable facts, and amazingly see they were true. And wonder how the heck did he know that? Therefore the whole story must be true.
It's even better that the name matches an alias Duane used. Just because of the bizarreness of it. Obviously I wouldn't put that in, unless it was true, because it sounds so bogus right?

If you're going to tell a story, at least be good at it, is what I figure.

[skyjack71 0]

I appreciate the kindness of all in the forum regarding me - lately. I understand where you are coming from about the things I say, but I am very careful not to allow false memories to creep in.

I contacted the clerk to see if he was ill. I do not call China - I e-mailed him and it may be a few days before I hear from him. He is in a very rural area of China.

Maybe this information will help CKRET find the files:

He was the nightshift clerk for the Rodeway Inn on 82nd Ave Airport Road, Portland PDX. In Portland Oregon

The FBI cannot find a lot of things. Number one and MOST important is the cigarrette butts.

Agent Hope told me they LOST them and of course you all know CKRET denies that as he thinks they are in RENO. I do not know how to search the forum for quotes like the rest of you do - so go find what he said for me.

It is puzzling to me why they would use the tie if they have the butts!

Lost evidence, unable to find interview files - I understand there are 40 plus feet of files and I am sure not ALL of it has been put into a computer file or scanned to be searched. I also understand that there are separate files on Cooper in different locations.

[;)The FBI needs to collect a copy of all information in one location and get it into a computer file. It is time they produce the butts if they haven't been lost.

You will note that CKRET no longer makes statements about that tie. Until the FBI can produce those cigarrette butts the tie will not stand alone. The chain of possession was broken regarding custody of the evidence - tie and butts would have been in ONE place and that would be RENO...because that is where the physical evidence was collected.

CKRET: How did the tie end up in WA.? And without the butts? Track that tie and you will find out what happened to the butts.

Ckret has already stated that the tie was NOT moved to be shown to McCoy's widow - explain how it ended up in WA.

Ckret I am not bashing you, but these are facts we ALL need to know. I hope you are trying to do something with the information I sent you. I am still working on it myself. He was someones father or brother or uncle or grandfather - he did not vanish...please do not expose what I sent you as there are somethings that are private if they involve others and need to be investigated outside of the media.

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[ltdiver 3]

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I do not know how to search the forum for quotes like the rest of you do - so go find what he said for me.

Good grief. Just go to the bottom of the web site page here and type in any word you're looking for in the 'search box'. Default will be for -this- forum.

If you're looking for a particular person's post, go to the -top- of the page and click on 'search' and -that- page will allow you to refine what you're looking for.

Honestly Jo, you play the 'blonde card' when it suits you and the 'smart card' when you see fit. It's getting a bit taxing.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[snowmman 3]

It's just reality that we have little info about the FBI investigation. (my note about Rick Webber is (mostly) true though. Apparently still alive. Be interesting to interview agents who worked the case in '71. I found a web site with a contact for Webber)

I tend to assume that back in '71 there really wasn't much of an investigation.

A real investigation would have gathered all hotel records in the area of PDX and maybe SEA too. At the time of the data gathering, there would be no reason to suspect any particular name. So there'd be no reason "Collins" would stick out.

The night clerk in question would have had to remember everyone that stayed that night, and then said "Ah-hah..Collins I remember that name" when he heard Jo mention John Collins many years later. Very unlikely. Note the current Rodeway Inn at PDX is not the Rodeway (if there was one) that would have been there in '71. So unclear how large a business.

Also very unlikely that the FBI had any secret reason to suspect John Collins in '71, or even shortly after that.

Jo, can you confirm the date of this supposed record gathering?

In any case, you can see my two points. If there was a good investigation, data on all hotel records in the area, from that night/week would be in the files somewhere. If it's not findable, well, then either the investigation wasn't good, or it was lost.

But getting all worked up about Jo's story..you can see it doesn't make sense.

What I really wish the FBI had were pay phone records from PDX that day. No cell phones. Reasonable chance Cooper may have made one last call to someone.

(edit) rental car records would have been another interesting thing. Himmelsbach recounts a story of a rental car that didn't get returned for a long time or something like that. The way H. tells the story of how they resolved that lead, it makes it sound like they weren't proactive in searching rental car stuff, more reactive. Goes with my thinking the investigation was just reactive to leads, not proactive, much?

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A real investigation would have gathered all hotel records in the area of PDX and maybe SEA too. At the time of the data gathering, there would be no reason to suspect any particular name. So there'd be no reason "Collins" would stick out.

The night clerk in question would have had to remember everyone that stayed that night, and then said "Ah-hah..Collins I remember that name" when he heard Jo mention John Collins many years later. Very unlikely.

My memory of what the night clerk told me:

The FBI came the next day (Thanksgiving Day). They asked about anyone who fit the description - the clerk had checked a man in who was his height - since the clerk was eye to eye with him and tall people just were not the norm in those days - he pegged the height. (I can vouch for this as I was one of the tall people in 1958 at 5'7" - I always stood with the guys and only 2 were the same height as I am and one was over 6'.)

The clerk was able to tell them that the man asked for a Late Check Out - and that he asked about the bar near the hotel (it was connected in someway to the hotel). The clerk made some kind of remark about the man having a Tom Collins. He made this remark because of the man's name. (The clerk was just being friendly in his own 20 something way).

It did not mean anything to him or stick out in anyway until the FBI came the next day (I would suppose it was a general check of all hotels in the area because the skyjacker boarded the plane there).

If you were in your twenties and you had been interviewed regarding a Skyjacking - you would remember that too.

When an article was done in a newspaper in the WA area (around 2000) describing my search, he learned the name used by Duane was John Collins - he took a serious look at the photo (that was the John Collins who checked-in) and proceeded to try to find out how to reach me. He did reach me and I do believe his story and will continue to do so until the FBI can prove it didn't happen.
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Note the current Rodeway Inn at PDX is not the Rodeway (if there was one) that would have been there in '71. So unclear how large a business

That hotel had several owners and name changes after that - I believe it was still there in 1996 when I first contacted the FBI and has since been torn down.
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In any case, you can see my two points. If there was a good investigation, data on all hotel records in the area, from that night/week would be in the files somewhere. If it's not findable, well, then either the investigation wasn't good, or it was lost.

Exactly what I have tried to say.
I believe it is there - someplace or someone made a judgement call that it was not important to keep,

All interviews of all hotels, etc made right after the crime should have been kept. We have to believe that the FBI was smart enough to do this in 1971.

The clerk connected a suspect named Collins to the Crime and then 30 yrs later he reads an accounting about a woman whose husband confessed to the crime and whose alias was Collins. Like some incidents in our live we never forget - this man never forgot about the FBI interviewing him nor did he let go of the image of that man. 30 yrs later there is the name and a picture of the man he told the FBI about...what would you have done? Kept quiet or try to help?

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[snowmman 3]

Story's still pretty lame Jo.

You left out the part where they grabbed the register and put it in a plastic bag. When did that happen? and why?

I would think the rational thing might be that the FBI guys might have followed up on the guy, like they did a bazillion others, and found nothing.

I can imagine a man of the right height was checked into that hotel, and in fact there were probably multiple men like that in all hotels in the area. Statistically likely.

How many of them had Tom Collins to drink and were also named Collins? Dunno. Does it matter? Does it matter that Rick Webber worked the Cooper case in '71? (edit) in re-reading your post, it seems like no actual Tom Collins was drunk?

I read the post you just made. What part of it is "unique" or odd. I don't get it.

(edit) are you weighting the later/recent composite "recognition" somehow? I would weight that as zero.

(edit) I'm confused about the whole Collins drink tie-in. Was the guy's name Tom Collins? Or John Collins (tom collins made with bourbon). If a "John Collins" checked in, what triggered a conversation about drinks? Are you saying the guy's name was Tom Collins and the night clerk made a comment about the drink as a result?

[georger 247]

If you're going to tell a story, at least be good at it, is what I figure.

[georger 247]

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I appreciate the kindness of all in the forum regarding me - lately. I understand where you are coming from about the things I say, but I am very careful not to allow false memories to creep in.

I contacted the clerk to see if he was ill. I do not call China - I e-mailed him and it may be a few days before I hear from him. He is in a very rural area of China.

Maybe this information will help CKRET find the files:

He was the nightshift clerk for the Rodeway Inn on 82nd Ave Airport Road, Portland PDX. In Portland Oregon

The FBI cannot find a lot of things. Number one and MOST important is the cigarrette butts.

Agent Hope told me they LOST them and of course you all know CKRET denies that as he thinks they are in RENO. I do not know how to search the forum for quotes like the rest of you do - so go find what he said for me.

It is puzzling to me why they would use the tie if they have the butts!

Lost evidence, unable to find interview files - I understand there are 40 plus feet of files and I am sure not ALL of it has been put into a computer file or scanned to be searched. I also understand that there are separate files on Cooper in different locations.

[;)The FBI needs to collect a copy of all information in one location and get it into a computer file. It is time they produce the butts if they haven't been lost.

You will note that CKRET no longer makes statements about that tie. Until the FBI can produce those cigarrette butts the tie will not stand alone. The chain of possession was broken regarding custody of the evidence - tie and butts would have been in ONE place and that would be RENO...because that is where the physical evidence was collected.

CKRET: How did the tie end up in WA.? And without the butts? Track that tie and you will find out what happened to the butts.

Ckret has already stated that the tie was NOT moved to be shown to McCoy's widow - explain how it ended up in WA.

Ckret I am not bashing you, but these are facts we ALL need to know. I hope you are trying to do something with the information I sent you. I am still working on it myself. He was someones father or brother or uncle or grandfather - he did not vanish...please do not expose what I sent you as there are somethings that are private if they involve others and need to be investigated outside of the media.

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What I dont understand at all ... is your willingness
or lack of realism in wanting to butt heads with
Ckret, or with anyone in authority for that matter. To
me, it would seem a very dangerous tactic not to
mention unfriendly, and counterproductive. It destroys anything credible you might have to say.

I have noticed this in your posts almost for a year
before coming here formally.

If I was the FBI I would lock the door to you, just on
general principles!

Months ago I asked Ckret: 'did the FBi try this, try
that, et cetera'. I was 100% satisfied with the answers I got, and it all made sense.

In one moment you hold the FBI up to being gods
who have divine powers, and the next they are dogs
with less sense (and morality) than the Devil. Make
up your mind? It is highly dysfunctional.

Not that any of this even matters!

Now I do not know where or from whom I heard it the first time, or the second time, but you need to know I heard this "clerk at the hotel/motel" story a long time ago, years ago! (I have a feeling Sluggo and perhaps even Snowmman heard the story years ago also.) Long before the name Duane Weber was ever in the news!

So Jo, how can this be "your story" and "your witness", in as much as the fact is a million other people know the story also - and the FBI did investigate it seriously not just once but several times?

You can add to this the simple fact that the FBI
and others have 'stories' and "evidence" that you
have never even heard of and know nothing about,
and never will know anything about!

Where in the totality of this reality does 'your clerk' rank?

And why are you his Manager?

You need some perspective in these matters, Jo.

Georger
copywritten@1864 ('The year b'fore the war or oer')

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I'm confused about the whole Collins drink tie-in. Was the guy's name Tom Collins? Or John Collins (tom collins made with bourbon). If a "John Collins" checked in, what triggered a conversation about drinks? Are you saying the guy's name was Tom Collins and the night clerk made a comment about the drink as a result?

I am not good at making myself understood this way. Please don't make me have to repeat it and repeat it.

He signed in as John Collins and the comment about Tom Collins was made after the guy asked about the attached bar. Do you understand now? This is why the clerk remembered the name of the man who was there the night before he made the jump on Thanksgiving Eve.

The FBI took the registration with them after they talked to this clerk
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In those days it was a page with many names on it. You were assigned a room number and given a key.

I can't tell you things I do not know and I am not a writer. All I can do is tell you over and over again and again what I do know and what I was told.

If you want me to dress the truth I can't do that - then it wouldn't be the truth would it?
Snowmman and Georger are starting to sound like interogators for the FBI or like they are writers for a TV program.

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[snowmman 3]

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He signed in as John Collins and the comment about Tom Collins was made after the guy asked about the attached bar. Do you understand now?
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The FBI took the registration with them after they talked to this clerk

Ah it makes sense now. They took the registration cause they were looking for Collins. No, they took it because the guy said Collins matched the composite they had on thanksgiving day. We all know what that composite looked like, right Jo....No they took it because they took all the hotel registers in the area.

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Snowmman and Georger are starting to sound like interogators for the FBI or like they are writers for a TV program.

Hey that would be fun. Better than my normal life. Spent the day chainsawing a 95 year old oak. Now that makes one humble. For the husky vs stihl question: husky.

Probably the only thing interesting about Jo's story: why the heck did Himmelsbach giver her more than 5 minutes of his life? It's like the fact that H. gave her some time, gives Jo some credibility, when there's nothing there. That and no one has really called her on any of the bullshit for 13 years.

If I didn't know better, I'd say H. propped Jo up as part of some coverup. She's perfect.

[snowmman 3]

The first time I can find Jo spewing the registration book story was July 1, 2003 at suite101.com

http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/history_of_flight/67842/40-49

good ol homes4ubyjo

There she just went ahead and said Duane's prints were on the registration..I have no idea how she knew that, but at least she's bright enough to not say that twice!

Jo, if you want to have any credibility, just say this statement by you is utter nonsense...or you could try a Putin/airspace explanation.

Jo said:
"because the FBI will never follow the leads I have given them -- like the night clerk and the registration form that the FBI took. That registration has Duane's fingerprints on it but they won't go thru the file to find it. I have also been told that they probably returned it after checking out the clerks story. They don't return that kind of evidence in this kind of story --- it is there somewhere in the research they have."

I have a chainsaw with Duane's prints on it, but I'm not talking.

I guess I'm also really wondering why 377 is supportive to Jo. What am I missing? It seems like it's giving dollar bills to the guy on the intersection. Yeah you feel good, but you should feel bad cause it's just going to buy a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20

[skyjack71 0]

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What I dont understand at all ... is your willingness
or lack of realism in wanting to butt heads with
Ckret, or with anyone in authority for that matter. To
me, it would seem a very dangerous tactic not to
mention unfriendly, and counterproductive. It destroys anything credible you might have to say.

You guys don't mind interrogating me about what I say, but I don't see you taking issues with CKRET when he makes erroneous statement or statements that show errors had to have been made by him and others. If Ckret told you to go Jump off a cliff - would you do it?
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If I was the FBI I would lock the door to you, just on
general principles

Who am I suppose to go to? If they are listening why didn't they at least call me and acknowledge what I said - instead I heard NOTHING until Ckret called me about the tie - 2 days before going public.
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In one moment you hold the FBI up to being gods
who have divine powers, and the next they are dogs
with less sense (and morality) than the Devil. Make
up your mind? It is highly dysfunctional.

It is not dysfunction to question things stated by the FBI when there are obvious conflicts in the answers...go back and read what the FBI has said about those things. Such as - how the tie ended up in WA. if it was retrieved at the same time as the butts in Reno?
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Now I do not know where or from whom I heard it the first time, or the second time, but you need to know I heard this "clerk at the hotel/motel" story a long time ago, years ago! (I have a feeling Sluggo and perhaps even Snowmman heard the story years ago also.) Long before the name Duane Weber was ever in the news!

You nor anyone never heard this story from anyone but me or my telling it to the FBI or on-line. To my knowledge this was not made public until 2000 when a news reporter put me in touch with the night clerk.
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So Jo, how can this be "your story" and "your witness", in as much as the fact is a million other people know the story also - and the FBI did investigate it seriously not just once but several times?

Now you really sound like a writer trying to get his hooks into a story and take credit for something he has written or published!

They didn't share any of that with me.
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You can add to this the simple fact that the FBI
and others have 'stories' and "evidence" that you
have never even heard of and know nothing about,
and never will know anything about!

I know stories that the FBI has never heard of because some people are afraid to talk to the FBI
Wonder Why?

There are individuals who have contacted me because they are afraid of the FBI --- afraid of having to go thru exactly what you and the FBI and others have put me thru. Some just want to talk. A couple have even stated that they thought their relative or friend might be Cooper. Others contact me because they are writing a book or doing a college project.

The author of one book about Cooper was at me for a long long time right after I contacted the FBI - he did a book of fiction regarding Cooper. Others have threatened me - claiming I was screwing up their story and/or movie or have satisfied themselves that there is no way for their suspect to be Cooper. You name it and I have heard it.

That statement about their stories and their evidence certainly makes you sound like a writer who wants or is doing his own thing.

What I have told and claimed is backed up with written or recorded communications with others...I only did this because of the threats I recieve dating back to 1996...not to lay claim to any story,but to protect myself as I was told to do by the only perosn who would listen to me in the very beginning. It was great advise for many reasons...to protect me from someone making the statements you just made to me and in the forum.

You think I sound badly - do you know how badly you make yourself sound - Ever heard a vulture screech?

This is not meant to sound attacking, but to clarify my position that is constantly be questioned by you and others.

I have allowed you and others to take me to the brink of obliteration and use up my valuable time left, explaining the same things over and over. I am facing the most crucial decision in my life and I am trying to tell MY story or Duane's Story while I still can do so.

Step back and read your own post and how they sound.

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[skyjack71 0]

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There she just went ahead and said Duane's prints were on the registration..I have no idea how she knew that, but at least she's bright enough to not say that twice!

Jo said:
"because the FBI will never follow the leads I have given them -- like the night clerk and the registration form that the FBI took. That registration has Duane's fingerprints on it but they won't go thru the file to find it. I have also been told that they probably returned it after checking out the clerks story. They don't return that kind of evidence in this kind of story --- it is there somewhere in the research they have."

I am not a writer - all I was doing was taking what the Clerk told me regarding "John Collins" signing the card. To me that means that Duane L. Webers prints are on the card. I am NOT writer - all I was trying to do was get out to the public what I did know and to get the FBI to research this aspect.

When I am posting it is with my heart and soul and what I am thinking at that time. There is and never was intentional misleading statements made.
I am a human being with human emotions.

reciting statements made to me by the agent of record at that time regarding what would have been done with the card in 1971 or early on in the investigation.

WHY would you or anyone else go back and try to discredit me for simply TRYING to get the FBI to investigate and to communicate with me about this.

I can't walk away and I can't let people like you continue to make fun of me - I hope you can forgive yourself someday when you go back and read the mean despicable things you and others say.

The report about the night clerk was before - 2003 and right after the article (dated 2000 or 2001 that Margie did in The Oregonian. I did post in the 101, but I was making communications with others prior to that...on one to one basis and in by other means. I saved copies and made notes in a log book as I had been told to do.

Himmelsbach - at least he treated me like a human being that is more than I can say for the likes of you and others.

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[happythoughts 0]

It is a discussion, not an interrogation.

One party makes statements. Other parties consider them and then ask questions. That makes it a discussion.

If one party could just make statements and they must be believed, then this would be a one-post thread and we could all go home.

If someone disagrees with your information or its presentation, then characterizing them in a negative fashion just seems a little fascist.

"Agree with me or you are part of a conspiracy" comments just makes people lose their already tried patience.

Nobody wants the negativity.

Welcome to the internet.

[snowmman 3]

Okay, so I'm sorting thru all the posts on this thread, including all mine.

Although I don't want to admit it, I think maybe Hooper was right. This thread (and my participation) is as pathetic as he always said, although not for the reasons he claimed.

[ltdiver 3]

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If Ckret told you to go Jump off a cliff - would you do it?

Whoo Hoo! BASE jumping!
Sorry....back to our regular programing...

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

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I guess I'm also really wondering why 377 is supportive to Jo. What am I missing? It seems like it's giving dollar bills to the guy on the intersection. Yeah you feel good, but you should feel bad cause it's just going to buy a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20

About Jo?
Just human kindness. The Internet somehow brings out the sarcastic bully in all of us, me included at times. You need to balance it out with tolerance. Jo is sincere in her beliefs, has suffered the loss of a spouse and is apparently gravely ill. I don't think Duane Weber was Dan Cooper, but Jo isn't the devil for thinking he was.

The Mad Dog 20-20 thing:
If you were homeless, sick and treated as invisible by most who pass you by, you might find solace in a bottle or a needle. It isn't a good thing, but it it isn't beyond understanding. When you give a down and out person a buck, it's often likely to go towards substance abuse, but at least you shared a kind word and showed that you care.

My Dad was homeless during the Great Depression. As a kid, I heard many first hand stories about the misery of living on the outside of society. He and many others in similar circumstances were rescued by FDR's CCC, given jobs room and board and a tiny stipend. My Dad taught me to show kindness to the down and out, even to the floridly psychotic street people who talk to demons.

Yeah, it's off topic, and self aggrandizing, but if it makes this forum or its participants even a tiny bit more compassionate, that's a good thing.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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I guess I'm also really wondering why 377 is supportive to Jo. What am I missing? It seems like it's giving dollar bills to the guy on the intersection. Yeah you feel good, but you should feel bad cause it's just going to buy a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20

About Jo?
Just human kindness. The Internet somehow brings out the sarcastic bully in all of us, me included at times. You need to balance it out with tolerance. Jo is sincere in her beliefs, has suffered the loss of a spouse and is apparently gravely ill. I don't think Duane Weber was Dan Cooper, but Jo isn't the devil for thinking he was.



Ah okay, that's the difference. I'm all for kindness. Let's see my last street handout I gave was for someone claiming to need gas money. I think he did.
The last nice thing I did for Jo was tell her to go away when she sent me PMs offering money for services rendered.

The thing is, Jo is not a sympathetic character to me. She seems like quite the bully from where I sit. Not quite the innocent "Oh I just have my beliefs" kind of situation that you describe, deserving sympathy.

Here's an acid test: picture her as a guy. Do your thoughts stay the same, or does she just sound like a blowhard manipulator?

Now picture me as a woman, maybe calling out another woman. Do your thoughts change?

Now if the situation really is this poor weak woman who needs kindness from strangers, well sure that's a different story. But nothing I've heard makes me think that's the truth. If it was, I would think Jo's message would come across differently. At least my experience with folks that really do have problems tells me that.

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Ckret:

I know I've posted a lot of drivel recently, but the flight timetable does raise some questions.

I know there was a lot of convoluted detail that was posted.

But the main question is: Is there anything in the case file where the itinerary for flight 305 was investigated?

Specifically
1) when it started including stops in Missoula, and
2) when it added the leg from PDX to Seattle. It had to be between 10/1/71 and 11/24/71, unless there was a special regional schedule.

The PDX to SEA leg is interesting because it's the last leg of a long itinerary for 305. Was that part of a plan to get a 727? or was it just random..i.e. it happened to be the next flight when Cooper walked up to the ticket counter.

Also: was there any comparison done on the full Northwest schedule out of PDX, to understand how often 727's were used? I'm guessing the other predominant plane used was 707.

We've guessed that the 727 was by choice. I'm wondering if most of the flights out of PDX, to SEA at least, were 727, or whether this angle was ever investigated.

Nowadays, most of the flights from PDX to SEA are United and Alaska Air, and are small jets. Back then, I don't think smaller planes were used for the short hops, but I don't know.

I don't think the thoughts or information you have posted are drivel. I believe it is all giong to help in some way at some point in time.

In regard to your question, I am sure everything about the flight was investigated. I have not looked for thoe specific details and have not found such information going over the files.

To that end, there was a very large investigative effort around PDX; hotels, motels, cabs, buses and so on. Nothing from that effort developed leads that went anywhere.

Also, I did not write that a clerk was never contacted or that a register was not taken. I have not found an interview of a clerk claiming a register was signed by a person of interest. I can tell you that there is no register in evidence and I have not found where one was taken and returned.

Read all of the words.

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To me that means that Duane L. Webers prints are on the card.

Maybe. Maybe not. You've taken a CSI approach to old "evidence." Fingerprints that are even sub-AFIS usable are not always left behind. Even if they were, the prints basically go away after time if they were not developed in some fashion.

I would have thought by now you would have educated yourself properly about fingerprints and not relied on TV for your information!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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The thing is, Jo is not a sympathetic character to me. She seems like quite the bully from where I sit. Not quite the innocent "Oh I just have my beliefs" kind of situation that you describe, deserving sympathy.

Here's an acid test: picture her as a guy. Do your thoughts stay the same, or does she just sound like a blowhard manipulator?

Now picture me as a woman, maybe calling out another woman. Do your thoughts change?

No doubt that gender softens the approach. Look at how timid the critics and pundits are around Palin. I plead guilty.

Still, I think we often misperceive Jo's frustration as aggression. She has some big blind sides and biases, but I don't see her as a manipulative bully. She has obsessions (Duane is Cooper), is too easily conned (look who she married), but I still see her as sincere. Stubborn, sometimes annoying, sometimes unreasonable (repeatedly demanding that the FBI prove negatives) but sincere through it all. In summary, she shouldn't be treated as a pariah.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Let's see my last street handout I gave was for someone claiming to need gas money. I think he did.

Not to you in specific, but it is a scam.

Seemingly well-dressed, articulate, and polite man holding a gas can approaches you at 7pm in a restaurant parking lot...
"Sir, I need a buck to buy gas so that I can get to work. My car ran out..."

First, I used to live in an area of Tampa. The hookers would hang out near the Publix parking lot. One told me, "Ya gotta get their money BEFORE they spend it on groceries."

So, "before you eat in the restaurant" works the same way.

Second, he is going to work at 7pm ? Very few "tie" jobs start at 8pm.

Last, the "sir" is a nice touch. You want to help the nice guy.

Eight different restaurant parking lots so that he has a good rotation for 4 nights of the week.

Anyway, I saw the same guy with the same can at Bennigans, Hops, and a Japanese place over the course of two months.

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I sympathize with the down and out but don't like being scammed. I always say I have a full gas can in my car, lets just put it in your car, but I am going to have to see an empty fuel gauge first. They always pass "my car is a mile away", "my gas gauge is broke" etc. I even had one of these gas scammers going door to door in my neighborhood. It is a great scam, many people give money. If a scammer has a ragged looking kid tagging along it virtually insures success. A pet dog works too. They probably do need the money as much as more honest panhandlers, I just don't like the con approach.

I don't know why Jo is such a target for Cooper scammers. I mean if Duane isn't Cooper, then why is Jo important to the case? Galen Cook seems to have tried to cajole info out of her. Perhaps it's because she has had valuable contact info for Tina etc.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Galen Cook, Geoffry Gray and those without names such a DBCoopercatcher - have tried to get me to give them information about Tina. People who just want to be part of the story or want to write a book or tell me about their relative. Some want me to sign my life away with contracts - giving them the rights to the story and my research materials.

A couple of the suspects provided by some of these contacts sounded pretty good. One was the father of a man who lived in the N.W. I was unable to trace the father, but I tried to answer their questions.

Another was a man who claimed to have been in jail with Duane prior to the jump. This was a County jail in Oregon. I researched and talked with the authorities in that area with no results. I also shared this with the FBI but no response.

I found flaws in his story - and nothing checked out. I still know how to reach him, but I did all I could with what he gave me. The obvious age part of that story was not right somehow...I find later this man is a writer of sorts,

I have recieved a contact with an attorney in the EAST who had found me and wanted some information - he had a client who had family reasons to know more. I NEVER found out what that was about. I provided the information and he sent me a nice thank you and encouraged me to contiue my search.

I do not mean to sound badly, but my heart and soul is in this. I do not understand why certain posters take a post and tear into it - like interogators trying to confuse a witness (badger them until they say something they can use).

I ask no special treatments other than to be treated with respect and understanding. Would you want everything you say taken out of context and pulled apart?

Questions and answers are find as long when they are not repeated over and over and without taking into context what that persons relation is to the information.,

They tear me down but do not tear down CKRET when he makes mistakes or says something out of context. This is what I do not understand. He is FBI - therefore nothing he says is questionable.
Look at this last post.

I do not understand what he is saying. He is admitting he has not found the interview, but what happened to all of those interview files - did they just destroy them?

Did the interviewing agents make decisions about what to keep and what was relevant?

As for the registration - you can pretty much bet they would have collected or got copies of all of the registrations in the area. Certainly would have been a wise thing to do - then when a certain name comes up - bingo you got a lead.

His wording was not clear to me even though he says go back and read every word.

This is what I mean - they don't question anything he says but they tear me apart. GUYS, Pick on someone besides me and I won't have to post so much repetition and garbage. Note that most of my posts end up being defense posts because of the interogation attitude with a couple of posters.

I have tried not to post because it upsets me - but if they are coming at me and trying to destroy anything and everything I have done and said from day one - that is wrong.

Remember this when you post _
All of you know who I am - I only know who CKRET is. That mean that most of you have an unfair advantage.

PS:
I do know who some of the posters are and other places they posted using different names...this is in reference to non-jumpers. The jumpers as a group have been nice to me - they disagree without trying to engage me in defending myself.

I do appreciate the opportunity DZ gave me to investigate this subject with the jumpers and pilots..those holding information only available to the likes of me thru this forum. It has been very informative.

Some like Orange, Itdiver, Happythoughs, 377, Guru, Warload, Zingstrom, Sluggo and Safe Crack (so many I can't name all of you). You disagree, but in the same way as if you where sitting across the table with me - not like someone with roadrage or someone trying to create a situation.

Thank you, DZ.

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I do not mean to sound badly, but my heart and soul is in this.

And that does not allow you special exception to post irrelevant or unsupported facts.

Saying with something with sincerity does not accord it a special privilege.

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I do not understand why certain posters take a post and tear into it - like interogators trying to confuse a witness (badger them until they say something they can use).

The FBI has discounted Duane as a suspect. You show little respect for their conclusion. Respect is not a one-sided right.

You post some factual, pertinent details, and expect that the rest will be accepted as gospel. No one can expect that reception.

If only 20% of your post makes sense, yes the other 80% will be discussed, refuted and discarded.

If your feelings actually are hurt by this normal adult discussion process, then that is an unresolvable problem.