DB Cooper

[Ckret 0]

Well then, let me say that I firmly stand on my discounting of the pills for both occasions.

A question with my name in the subject? I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of such a question and if the answer to said question would have been yes then the complete answer in whole is no. However, there are those questions we know we know and then those questions we know we don’t know.

It would seem your question falls in the category of a known, known; which then could only mean that you in fact are trying to trick me. This would then lead you to believe I guessed wrong, however, you only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

[snowmman 3]

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Is that really true Snowmman? I think we have some solid facts about the parachute gear.

I've not seen a picture of a 1971 era NB-6 rig. The pics we have are more modern day? Not sure if anything changed slightly.

We don't know if there was a deployment sleeve on the canopy? Is it guaranteed 'no' because of the rig/canopy or era? I may be just clueless here.

We don't know if there were panel mods on the canopy? (forward speed, descent rate)

I was surprised people dismissed the possibility of the chest reserve being kludged onto the NB-6 webbing. The hooks on the chest reserve Ckret has are fairly large. I'm assume the missing chest reserve has similar hooks.

We assume "myths" like Cooper didn't attach the reserve to himself, without proving that it's impossible to attach..i.e. only knowing the NB-6 didn't have D-rings (which I'm not even sure Ckret verified properly..I guess he did)

But other than that, yeah we know about the rig :)

We don't even know the last time it was packed or used? I've wondered about whether the straps were adjusted for Cossey, and whether Cooper could have strapped it on just clipping the snaps and not adjusting the straps.

Oh yeah: we're not in agreement that Cossey's statement about the Pioneer being the better rig...was just wrong? For a jet exit, there seems to be no rationale that would say the Pioneer was the better rig. And that was used to justify Cooper being a non-jumper. Cossey: did he have any military experience? He was a school teacher? Did he have any 200 mph exits at the time (turboprop, jet or ???)? I'm wondering why his opinion was considered expert on jet jump at the time. There may be info/data I'm not aware of. (impunes me, not Cossey).

[snowmman 3]

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The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

I concede that was a good movie, I don't care what planet you're from.

[happythoughts 0]

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I emailed Galen Cook to ask him when his book was coming out.

Personal plan... If I had a book about a hijacker who boarded a plane just before Thanksgiving and I was going to spend "a couple of months working on it" and it was just before Thanksgiving...

I'd make a big press announcement just before Thanksgiving.

But... that's just me. He could be sitting home on a beanbag chair with a bottle of bourbon and a bag of Cheetos watching...




Mayberry RFD reruns and given up on the whole idea.

[snowmman 3]

we're all familiar with the NB-6 photo at Sluggo's site.

Attached are pics of a 1958 NB-6. (I'm accepting a site's id. b pic also says NB6) You can see there are differences. Especially in the straps/harnessing. (c photo)

So: my comment about 1971-era NB-6 (or earlier to ??? degree) I think is valid.

Saying "NB-6" isn't an exact definition? Year (minimally), maybe more is needed? I think we had confirmation Cossey did no D-ring mods to it. (verify?)
For a particular year, did multiple vendors supply NB-6 models to military? I don't know what all the vendors were over the years (Switlik? Smith? ???)


Correct me if wrong on any of this.

[snowmman 3]

We have a northwest orient ticket with the name Dan Cooper on it.

It's been referred to as a boarding pass.

On this forum, we've not been told if a single piece of paper (i.e. this ticket) was handed to Cooper, and then Cooper handed it back in as he boarded. Or if there were other pieces of paper. A ticket sold back then would have carbons? So I'm surprised there aren't multiple tickets...i.e. the carbon from the ticket agent, and the boarding pass? How many copies existed? How many were saved?

It was probably too hard to isolate the twenty he used to pay for it for fingerprints. The twenty used to pay for the drinks would have still been in the money pouch the stews had, so isolate-able, but mixed in with possible other twenties. Unknown the degree of certainty for isolating that twenty.

But the ticket/boarding pass definition is important. It leads to the question "were prints lifted from the ticket".

If yes, then the question of whether any prints are reliably Cooper's is more likely yes?. If no, then this whole question of whether any lifted, usable prints are Coopers is still up in the air.

I read a post Ckret made way back as saying prints lifted from the magazines were probably very unlikely to have been Coopers..i.e. shot-in-the-dark lifts.

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We have a northwest orient ticket with the name Dan Cooper on it.

It's been referred to as a boarding pass.

On this forum, we've not been told if a single piece of paper (i.e. this ticket) was handed to Cooper, and then Cooper handed it back in as he boarded. Or if there were other pieces of paper. A ticket sold back then would have carbons? So I'm surprised there aren't multiple tickets...i.e. the carbon from the ticket agent, and the boarding pass? How many copies existed? How many were saved?

Snowmman you are much much smarter than that. Back then we got a ticket with boarding passes in a folder. You handed this folder to the Stewardess and she removed the boarding pass for that leg. Cooper had NO reason to touch the boarding pass.

Wow! You were on top of it last night - whatcha doing tonight - pulling silver?

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[snowmman 3]

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We have a northwest orient ticket with the name Dan Cooper on it.

It's been referred to as a boarding pass.

On this forum, we've not been told if a single piece of paper (i.e. this ticket) was handed to Cooper, and then Cooper handed it back in as he boarded. Or if there were other pieces of paper. A ticket sold back then would have carbons? So I'm surprised there aren't multiple tickets...i.e. the carbon from the ticket agent, and the boarding pass? How many copies existed? How many were saved?

Snowmman you are much much smarter than that. Back then we got a ticket with boarding passes in a folder. You handed this folder to the Stewardess and she removed the boarding pass for that leg. Cooper had NO reason to touch the boarding pass.

Wow! You were on top of it last night - whatcha doing tonight - pulling silver?

Are we trading insults Jo? Pick your favorite, here. ->

You're speculating. You know nothing about this detail.
Sure that's a possibility. So are others.

The only fact is a picture of a single ticket, that we don't know how was tied in to the whole thing.

If you can't distinguish fact vs speculation, well...
Oh, wait a second, that detail is fact.

[georger 247]

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All true, but how will you choose between whether the exit point selection was foolish/ignorant or experienced/well planned?

The old timers at my DZ in the late 60s were talking about night jumps and the dangers of hitting mountains if your spot was off. They said if you can't see lights directly below your exit point that give you some idea of altitude, don't jump. They thought car headlights were good markers because you had an intuitive way of relating to their separation distance to altitude and there wasn't much variation in headlight separation from car to car.

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Unhinged as you may be that is an interesting observation... in light of the previous discussion about whether Cooper wanted to see the lights of Portland when he jumped. May swing us back again towards looking for an experienced jumper?

reply~~~ (1) he planned to jump from the start, ie
jumping was his plan of escape, experienced or not. This implies he was looking for an exit (and exit strategy) even before boarding the plane. (2) He had a chute on and wanted stairs down even before the plane lifted off at SEA. He pressed to have these
basic requests filled but then when the stair request could not be met he gives up (almost without a word) .... and goes to plan B?

So far as we know, he never mentioned or made
any indication of a side escape.

As far as experience goes, he vastly under-estimated the turnaround time on the ground at SEA. (I know Suggo does not agree). He got the
issues of the stairs wrong, on the ground and in the air. By the time things begin to accomodate him
bailing he is long out of SEA if SEA was his original
target.

But, with this passage of time he has also perhaps
missed the most perilous terrain he might have bailed into.

Now he waits. There is no question that he waited
during this period when he could have bailed. What
is he waiting for?

All of this (and more) suggests his experience and
judgement were mixed, as based on his performance.

It appears Cooper wanted to bail early, in Washington. (in Seattle, in an urban area or close
to one....)

Anyone could have seen the lights of Portland/Vancouver coming up. We already know he knew something about the geography of Washington. He chose a specific place WHERE
PARACHUTES WERE READILY AVAILABLE!

He is a mix of experience and knowledge.

Georger

[georger 247]

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That said, nothing in or about this case can violate
the basic Conservation laws. Not even Sluggo or
Jo! That defines Cooper right there. Work within
those limits .... ?

What the heck are you talking about - Basic Conservation Laws?
Rember my roots are Blonde.

I like blondes. My downfall.
Google conservation laws. I dont mean 'save the
red tailed mosquito'. I mean there are basic laws
which govern all known activity in Nature - the
conservaton of mass-energy, conservation of
angular momentum, electric charge, parity-symmetry, etc. Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_laws

The fact is, most things that happen operate well
'within' the limits of the limits of these laws, not
outside them, not at the friges of them, but well
inside these laws. That means, everything that
happened in the Cooper case happened well inside
the boundaries of these laws. Which means a set
of ordinary events and explanations for everything
that anyone including Cooper did, on 11-24-71.

Cooper could not steal one second of drop time from
Nature once he bailed.

There is only one unique solution to what happened, not five solutions.

Once a mistake was made in the search it could not be retracted easily.

And the chain of complexity between the money
at Tina Bar and Cooper can only so complex before violating or boarding-on-a-violation of some conservation law!

Cooper was mortal. Myth has nothing to do with it.

At its root this is exceedingly simple. That is the
scary part!

That is what I mean.

Georger

[georger 247]

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Well then, let me say that I firmly stand on my discounting of the pills for both occasions.

A question with my name in the subject? I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of such a question and if the answer to said question would have been yes then the complete answer in whole is no. However, there are those questions we know we know and then those questions we know we don’t know.

It would seem your question falls in the category of a known, known; which then could only mean that you in fact are trying to trick me. This would then lead you to believe I guessed wrong, however, you only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

Good Grief!

What Ckret is saying is he only has to talk at his
clients to get them to submit - never has to lay a
hand on them. They just go limp on the floor
muttering in unknown languages, and then other
baseball hats bring in the buxom blond nurse with
a large hypo for the accussed. Case closed!

Now we know why Cooper jumped!

Georger

[georger 247]

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We have a northwest orient ticket with the name Dan Cooper on it.

It's been referred to as a boarding pass.

On this forum, we've not been told if a single piece of paper (i.e. this ticket) was handed to Cooper, and then Cooper handed it back in as he boarded. Or if there were other pieces of paper. A ticket sold back then would have carbons? So I'm surprised there aren't multiple tickets...i.e. the carbon from the ticket agent, and the boarding pass? How many copies existed? How many were saved?

Snowmman you are much much smarter than that. Back then we got a ticket with boarding passes in a folder. You handed this folder to the Stewardess and she removed the boarding pass for that leg. Cooper had NO reason to touch the boarding pass.

Wow! You were on top of it last night - whatcha doing tonight - pulling silver?

Are we trading insults Jo? Pick your favorite, here. ->

You're speculating. You know nothing about this detail.
Sure that's a possibility. So are others.

The only fact is a picture of a single ticket, that we don't know how was tied in to the whole thing.

If you can't distinguish fact vs speculation, well...
Oh, wait a second, that detail is fact.

time for innocent parties to get off the dance floor
and behind the bar! Good luck!

[airtwardo 7]

Wow! You were on top of it last night - whatcha doing tonight - pulling silver?

Now THAT'S funny!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Orange1 0]

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Well then, let me say that I firmly stand on my discounting of the pills for both occasions.

A question with my name in the subject? I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of such a question and if the answer to said question would have been yes then the complete answer in whole is no. However, there are those questions we know we know and then those questions we know we don’t know.

It would seem your question falls in the category of a known, known; which then could only mean that you in fact are trying to trick me. This would then lead you to believe I guessed wrong, however, you only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

OK, now I understand why this case has never been solved. It's the Curse of Cooper - any FBI agent who starts analyzing it apparently goes mad.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

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Snowmman you are much much smarter than that. Back then we got a ticket with boarding passes in a folder. You handed this folder to the Stewardess and she removed the boarding pass for that leg. Cooper had NO reason to touch the boarding pass.

Well Jo, as I recall the boarding pass was actually one of the ticket leaflets (terminology?) that got pulled out the ticket and placed in a boarding pass folder. Can you prove for sure your version is right? Can you prove for sure that even if your version is right, that Cooper did not do what many passengers did and leaf through all the pages in his folder to check it was all correct (remember things were handwritten in those days and people could and did get incorrectly filled out coupons)? You have absolutely no way of saying for sure there were no fingerprints on it and surely even the small chance of it is worth investigating?
(Unless of course you have a vested interest in NOT wanting the fingerprints checked... in case it's yet another non-match for Duane?)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

After a while surfing Google...

In 1930, the IATA Traffic Committee developed the first standard hand-written ticket for multiple trips. These same standards served the industry into the early 1970s.

Taking the lead in 1971, IATA significantly updated the hand-written paper ticket with the Transitional Automated Ticket (TAT). This greatly simplified billing and settlement between airlines and travel agents, as all parties had an identical, clearly legible copy of the ticket.

So, the Transitional automated ticket (TAT) came into being in ….1971! (obviously not everywhere at that time yet; as late as last year I had the …um, interesting... experience of travelling on Air Zimbabwe, and found myself confronted with the first handwritten ticket I have seen in many years!)

Some samples of both the handwritten and the TAT can be found here: http://sky.geocities.jp/kkhoashi/Passenger_Ticket/Passenger_Ticket_en.html (if you scroll over the images it enlarges it).
Note in particular that the ATB – the one that includes both ticket and boarding pass – only came into use from 1983 (ref: IATA website), so it could NOT have been the system in use when Cooper took his flight - irrespective of whether he had a handwritten or TAT ticket.

More details from IATA:

Key Dates:
• IATA interline manual ticket established: circa 1930
• Transitional automated ticket (TAT) established: 1971
• IATA creates standard for Neutral Paper Ticket: 1972
• IATA launches BSP Japan and Neutral Paper Ticket: 1972
• Automated Ticket & Boarding Pass (ATB) established: 1983
• Electronic Ticket (ET) established: 1994
• IATA global standard for electronic tickets: 1997
• IATA Board of Governors pass resolution for 100% ET: 2004
• 100% ET: June 1, 2008
Paper Ticket Types
• Paper interline ticket – manual, multi-coupon, carbonised ticket
• Transitional automated ticket – computer printed, multi-coupon, carbonised ticket
• Automated Ticket & Boarding pass (ATB) – ticket and boarding pass, data encoded on a magnetic stripe

Some other arbitrary/fun stuff from internet searches:

http://www.seattleairlineshow.com/paper.htm - looks like fun stuff to collect for those interested.
The collection includes a Northwest Orient (not “Northwest Airlines”) timetable from 1971.

“In the 1960s we had a little booklet containing flimsy coupons for each leg of the trip. This continued until the 1970s when the use of computers gave us the dot matrix printed tickets.”

“You went in, bought a ticket, sat in the little lobby waiting for your plane. As long as you had a ticket – which was also a boarding pass – you got on your plane.”

Salon.com's "aviation expert" mentions that tickets were paper coupons in booklets and you got a cardboard stub to keep for your boarding pass.

The conclusion from all of these (and you are all welcome to do your own searches) is that there is no way that the boarding pass was printed separately and included in the ticket book; the ticket coupon for each leg, whether handwritten or TAT, was used as part of the boarding pass.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[shredder 0]

(1) he planned to jump from the start, ie
jumping was his plan of escape, experienced or not. This implies he was looking for an exit (and exit strategy) even before boarding the plane. (2) He had a chute on and wanted stairs down even before the plane lifted off at SEA. He pressed to have these
basic requests filled but then when the stair request could not be met he gives up (almost without a word) .... and goes to plan B?
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I have been following this thread from the beginning and must say it has been very entertaining! Does anyone here know what the regulations were back in Cooper's day as to carrying your own rig onto the plane? We know that jumpers today, for the most part, take their personal rigs on the plane with them. If Cooper had this so well planned out, why wouldn't he carry his own rig on, one he knew well and could depend on, instead of asking for rigs that would be "unknown" to him. Makes me wonder if he planned to jump from the beginning, or if it truly was his second choice, or just his last resort.

Learn from the past - don't live in it!

[Ckret 0]

Wow, talk about two extremes, two people joined into the fray recently, Lisa, who posts well into the 200’s a month and Shredder, who post 3 times a year. Get into the game son!!!!!

Oh wait, you did.

I don’t think there were any restrictions to bringing jump equipment on a plane but it would have brought attention to Cooper. I am sure his plan was to remain anonymous until the moment he passed his note and then to a very large degree only reveal himself to as few as possible.

You brought up a good point; if you study the McCoy case you will find how someone with jump experience does the crime. If you study the Cooper case you will find how someone who did not have jump experience does the crime.

Many think Cooper and McCoy are one in the same because of the similarities in their crimes. However, the only similarities are the fact they both chose the same conduit for their extortion. The actual escape or the part of the plan that is most vital were carried out far different, one by an experienced jumper the other by a novice if even that.

Hijackings in the late 60’s and early 70’s were very common; at one point, on average there were approximately 2 to 3 a month. It took very little sophistication to actually make a demand and be successful in that part of your plan. It was no secret that the airlines would comply and deal with the outcome later once the plane and passengers were safe.

The tough part is getting away and the proof is that out of the 100’s of hijackings the Cooper case is the only unsolved one. The FBI has an approximate 99.99634% solve rate when it comes to hijackings.

[skyjack71 0]

The ticket I described to the airlines and to the co-pilot and to other who worked for the airlines in 1970 - have told me what I described is the ticket being used at that time.

The ticket was composed of - paper and carbons. I don't know how many copies were in them and didn't ask.

I am not sure we mentioned boarding passes - what served as a boarding pass in 1971 may well have been a copy of the ticket. So we ARE talking about the same thing.

Whatever the stewardess pulled out - (copy or boarding ticket), Cooper would not have touched that part. The agent handed you this in a folder - most individuals would just hand this folder to the Stewardess and she removed what she needed and put it back in the folder.

Regardless of the ticket issue - there were copies and since no prints have been reported on the ticket (boarding pass)retrived from the agent - Why is this so important?

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The FBI has an approximate 99.99634% solve rate when it comes to hijackings.

Just a tiny step away from perfection. Less scrupulous investigators would have said Cooper was McCoy and closed the books batting 1000. I wouldn't have questioned the conclusion at the time.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Nice photos of the gear snowmman. Those aren't quite the connectors I thought, but pretty close. Even though they are bigger, you still couldn't get more than 2 fingers in them, and I don't see getting the straps on the nb6 into them. Getting the reserve attached securely enough to use it as a reserve probably isn't possible.

But that's not what you meant, is it? Getting the dummy reserve container attached well enough (or at least thinking so) to use it as a carry pouch? Hmm. Looking at the other pictures of just the nb6, I see a couple places where that is quite possible.

And something else- Cooper inventory:
1 Briefcase (including bomb-real or fake)
1 Large bag of money
1 Training dummy reserve (container, butchered canopy and lines)
1 Overcoat/raincoat

What happened to all that stuff? We (you guys) have discussed the lines cut from the good reserve that was left behind, but I never saw mention of the training dummy-canopy or lines.
Could Cooper have used those lines and the canopy to tie up the money bag or the briefcase more securely than has been considered so far??
There was some discussion of the danger/stupidity of wearing the coat going out the door, but was he?
Ckret- Did Tina or Alice specify in their statements whether or not Cooper was wearing the overcoat while he had the parachute on?
If not, did he stuff it into the reserve container?
I doubt that he just tossed it, or the rest of the things out the back stairs before he jumped, If so something would have probably been found by now.
Someone (georger?) commented on Cooper's desire to leave early, but not being able to have the rear stairs down, chose not to go out the open aft door. Look at a picture of the 727 and you will see why. Also why I haven't suggested that Cooper tossed anything out the door while plane was over Puget Sound right after takeoff. Anything going out that door in flight is going into and through the engine.

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Is DZ.com the forum for delusional people who think they can fly? :)

Last thing for tonight:
Disclaimer-This is not a flame or personal attack. If I could convey "tone" it would be the patient, slightly exasperated, but still kind tone of somoene trying but fully understanding the futility of explaining color to a blind man. I also took the above quote as the light joke I believe it was intended to be.

Snowmman- This is why we call you guys "whuffos'. Skydivers don't think we can fly. We can fly. That's why we (Me anyway) do it. Yes, we are "flying" straight down. More of a plummet really.
But it is flying. Look at some of the videos. When we leave the plane, we control our bodies by the position of our arms and legs (and whole bodies).
I feel like superman flying through the air. It is like nothing else. Look at some of the wingsuit videos and you will see something even closer to true flight. (I am not qualified for that-yet) And yes, I know that even though I am flying, I need the canopy open over my head or landing is going to be truly awful.
You whuffos don't/can't/won't understand it. That's ok. I don't understand a lot of things. But keep in mind that we have a very different view of life, each other, and the world in general because of this.
BTW-I'm not using whuffo in a derogatory sense. Its just handier and "cuter" than 'non-skydiver'

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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Joe,

If we can get Snowmman to do a tandem, will that take him off WHUFFO status? I'd like to get him to jump at Lodi CA for a bunch of reasons:

1. cheapest tandems in the entire universe, great value
2. he could meet the DZO Bill Dause who many thought was Cooper
3. Bill Dause is a master rigger and knows all about Cooper era gear, Snow could get some questions cleared up.
4. Snow just might get hooked and become one of us.

Ckret too. He is either Johnny Utah or James Bond. They jump. To stay credible and in character Ckret needs to jump.

The guys most qualified to do what Cooper did are USAF PJs, Pararescue Jumpers. I wonder if Cooper could possibly have been one? Doubtful, but an interesting thought. There was a rescue squadron at Portland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Pararescue

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 247]

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(1) he planned to jump from the start, ie
jumping was his plan of escape, experienced or not. This implies he was looking for an exit (and exit strategy) even before boarding the plane. (2) He had a chute on and wanted stairs down even before the plane lifted off at SEA. He pressed to have these
basic requests filled but then when the stair request could not be met he gives up (almost without a word) .... and goes to plan B?
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I have been following this thread from the beginning and must say it has been very entertaining! Does anyone here know what the regulations were back in Cooper's day as to carrying your own rig onto the plane? We know that jumpers today, for the most part, take their personal rigs on the plane with them. If Cooper had this so well planned out, why wouldn't he carry his own rig on, one he knew well and could depend on, instead of asking for rigs that would be "unknown" to him. Makes me wonder if he planned to jump from the beginning, or if it truly was his second choice, or just his last resort.

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It was his inclination to jump when he wrote the
note in his pocket, and then presented the note
on the plane.

Whatever the issue with him carrying on his own chute he knew McChord AFB was close. This may or
may not imply military jump experience.

The largr issue for me is him accepting chutes from
strangers. We have never discussed here Cooper
inspecting the chutes he was given?

If jumping was his "last restort", then what was his
first choice? Not hijacking at all? Asking for a limo?
Giving up to authorities?

I think his plan was the pan he conducted and revised along the way until leaving the plane near
Portland.

Georger

[georger 247]

Snowmman- This is why we call you guys "whuffos'. Skydivers don't think we can fly. We can fly. That's why we (Me anyway) do it. Yes, we are "flying" straight down. More of a plummet really.
But it is flying. Look at some of the videos. When we leave the plane, we control our bodies by the position of our arms and legs (and whole bodies).
I feel like superman flying through the air. It is like nothing else. Look at some of the wingsuit videos and you will see something even closer to true flight. (I am not qualified for that-yet) And yes, I know that even though I am flying, I need the canopy open over my head or landing is going to be truly awful.
You whuffos don't/can't/won't understand it. That's ok. I don't understand a lot of things. But keep in mind that we have a very different view of life, each other, and the world in general because of this.
BTW-I'm not using whuffo in a derogatory sense. Its just handier and "cuter" than 'non-skydiver'

[skyjack71 0]

So you were flying around at 10K - bet I know why. Galen Cook announces his new book and Agent CARR is going to present his NEW evidence...in the same hour. This should be interesting.

Carr had told us that someone was going to do a re-creation a long ago - just hope they keep it honest regarding the time line. The FBI would love nothing more than to put Cooper into the brink.

Galen Cooks' altered composite become the only one seen by the public. I have an official FBI composite that IS NOT altered.

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