snowmman 3 #6601 December 27, 2008 Quote First, Peregrine is most definitely a 'she' 377: high five! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #6602 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote I agree he's either a little bit nearsighted, or at least a little bit of astigmatism (minus cyl in the 90 degree axis). Not a whole lot, but some. Peregrinerose, Thanks for coming back and giving us the right answer! I am glad to stand corrected. I think the general idea that he was in a high stress situation that required all of his faculties holds true. I doubt we are ever going to see the actual prescription so its likely to end here. For me it still puts Duane out of the picture as Cooper. I think the real Dan Cooper didn't need glasses and everything in the testimony indicated he got along fine without them. He could have had goggles hidden somewhere along with the eyeglasses but that exceeds what we know about the situation. Thanks! Tom ps sorry about the he/she mistake! I don't think that the Rx alone eliminates Duane. I think it decreases the likelihood a bit, but not totally rules out. I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend). And if his script is as low as I think it is, he probably could have pulled the hijack off just fine with that kind of vision. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #6603 December 27, 2008 Quote I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend). But he presumably wasn't in denial - seeing as there are plenty of photos of him in glasses?? As an aside, surely the US has an eyetest as a requirement for a driver's license??Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #6604 December 27, 2008 "you have women on the brain! 377 Effect.Wink " OK Georger. I accept that. So tell me, what is the Georger Effect? Inquiring minds want to know. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #6605 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend). But he presumably wasn't in denial - seeing as there are plenty of photos of him in glasses?? As an aside, surely the US has an eyetest as a requirement for a driver's license?? Unfortunately, people are inherently stupid, and will wear glasses for the eye test, and never wear them again. Plus, you only get the eye test once (at least in PA) and never again. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #6606 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend). But he presumably wasn't in denial - seeing as there are plenty of photos of him in glasses?? As an aside, surely the US has an eyetest as a requirement for a driver's license?? Unfortunately, people are inherently stupid, and will wear glasses for the eye test, and never wear them again. Plus, you only get the eye test once (at least in PA) and never again. I think I'm in the category peregrinerose outlines. I've needed glasses for the drivers license eye test for a long time. But I still drive during the day without them. I pretty much always wear them at night (driving) now. But no other times. All photos of me have no glasses. If a hijacker didn't need glasses for the hijack, I would think most photos of him would be without glasses. If most were with glasses, then it would be odd to do the hijack without glasses? Would I wear sunglasses during the hijack? No, because then I definitely wouldn't be able to see what's going on. I need all the light I can get. The lenses were pretty dark on Cooper's shades? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #6607 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote After the BASE jumpers killed the appeal of ordinary skydiving I have had to rely increasingly on literary means to impress women. Well, georger's strategy is probably effective also: "I am not FBI. I am not CIA. And I am not interested in you." I wouldn't bet against that. Georger only patronizes bars that have a married seating section. No point misleading anyone. On the other hand, if he gets approached while sitting there, he knows he is in for some serious no strings attached action. Georger is clever, you gotta admit it Snow. Hey, check out this thread, everyone needs a friend like Mick: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2340978;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #6608 December 27, 2008 Quote Hey, check out this thread, everyone needs a friend like Mick: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2340978;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread 377 :) I had actually glanced at that thread. I was thinking, after all this Cooper stuff, "How hard could it be to find Vic" There's a fair number of posts at DZ.com where someone's looking for an old buddy. Everyone should be findable..it's just a matter of effort. I wonder what the hit rate is for posts that are looking for an old buddy, and people post at DZ.com and someone answers. I guess it depends on whether the guy continued jumping in his older years? It would be interesting to know what percentage of jumpers continue jumping, if they jumped when they were young. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #6609 December 27, 2008 lol - your comment in there is priceless Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #6610 December 27, 2008 Quote Quote First, Peregrine is most definitely a 'she' 377: high five! High 5's aside, is this another man/woman thing? Tom focused on the "peregrine" bit. I saw the "rose" and knew it had to be a she. btw p/rose... we've discovered Snow inspects posters to see if they are men or women. Maybe Cooper isn't the only thing he's looking for onlineSkydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #6611 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote Hey, check out this thread, everyone needs a friend like Mick: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2340978;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread 377 :) I had actually glanced at that thread. I was thinking, after all this Cooper stuff, "How hard could it be to find Vic" There's a fair number of posts at DZ.com where someone's looking for an old buddy. Everyone should be findable..it's just a matter of effort. I wonder what the hit rate is for posts that are looking for an old buddy, and people post at DZ.com and someone answers. I guess it depends on whether the guy continued jumping in his older years? It would be interesting to know what percentage of jumpers continue jumping, if they jumped when they were young. Very few continue in my experience. I'd guess less than 5%. You can look at SOS, skydivers over sixty or POPS parachutusts over phorty and get some rough cuts on metrics. Of the hundred or so jumpers I knew from my early days 1968-75, only three still jump today. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #6612 December 27, 2008 Quote Quote Quote First, Peregrine is most definitely a 'she' 377: high five! High 5's aside, is this another man/woman thing? Tom focused on the "peregrine" bit. I saw the "rose" and knew it had to be a she. btw p/rose... we've discovered Snow inspects posters to see if they are men or women. Maybe Cooper isn't the only thing he's looking for online MATCH.COOPER.COM... where the obsessed connect. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #6613 December 27, 2008 Nah, I figure this is a group therapy thing. You sit around, and read the other guy's posts, and say to yourself "Well at least I'm not as messed up as that guy" :) Although I'm reminded of the line a guy gave my wife in the grocery store, after she said she was married. "Isn't everyone?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #6614 December 27, 2008 Quote very few continue in my experience. I'd guess less than 5%. You can look at SOS, skydivers over sixty or POPS parachutusts over phorty and get some rough cuts on metrics. Of the hundred or so jumpers I knew from my early days 1968-75, only three still jump today. 377 well if that concept was also true in 1971, and Cooper was 45 in 1971, then looking for him jumping at the DZs then pretty much didn't make sense? (I could never understand why jumpers who were in their 30's in 1971, acted like it made sense for the FBI to talk to them?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomKaye 1 #6615 December 27, 2008 QuoteNah, I figure this is a group therapy thing. You sit around, and read the other guy's posts, and say to yourself "Well at least I'm not as messed up as that guy" LOL!! That is just too funny especially considering the range of weirdness we have on this forum. TK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #6616 December 27, 2008 Quote Quote It's actually a pretty big planet...relatively speaking. I'm betting even a blind skydiving hijacker would be able to hit it 8 out of 10 times! Actually, I'd bet a blind skydiving hijacker would hit it 10 out of 10 times. How well he'd hit it is another story of course... I'm willing to venture that on the type of round parachute that's referenced regarding this topic... he'd hit the planet about the same way ~ blind, sighted, drunk or sober. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #6617 December 27, 2008 all kidding aside, Airtwardo has a good point. Once deployed, Cooper's night landing under a 28 ft C9 depended a lot more on luck than canopy guidance skills. It was kind of a joke to call them steerable, at least the ones likely to be packed in a bailout rig. Rotatable is a more accurate description. You could change where you were looking very easily, but changing where you were going if a good wind was blowing was a different story. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #6618 December 27, 2008 A lot of the old pictures I see show the guys wearing army style boots - was this to protect your ankles under rounds? It sure wasn't for freefall performance... Just thinking about Cooper and his loafers.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #6619 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote very few continue in my experience. I'd guess less than 5%. You can look at SOS, skydivers over sixty or POPS parachutusts over phorty and get some rough cuts on metrics. Of the hundred or so jumpers I knew from my early days 1968-75, only three still jump today. 377 well if that concept was also true in 1971, and Cooper was 45 in 1971, then looking for him jumping at the DZs then pretty much didn't make sense? (I could never understand why jumpers who were in their 30's in 1971, acted like it made sense for the FBI to talk to them?) Cooper might be one of those old jumpers who quit for a while, was not current in 71, but had no qualms about making a jump without refresher training. He might still be making a jump now and then. There is a JOES club, (jumpers over eighty) and they are very competent RW flyers! The ram air chutes (squares) made it possible for old guys (like me) to stay active. If you can resist swooping, avoid high winds and fly a lightly loaded canopy, they will give you safe soft landings just about every time. Wouldn't that be a hoot if Coop still made a jump now and then? The young hotshot kids who think they rule coolness would have no idea that the old guy on their load could put them all to shame. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #6620 December 27, 2008 QuoteA lot of the old pictures I see show the guys wearing army style boots - was this to protect your ankles under rounds? It sure wasn't for freefall performance... Just thinking about Cooper and his loafers. Loafers would almost certainly come off in a jet jump. Very hard to understand how an experienced jumper expected to exit, freefall, land and walk out in loafers. The cool footwear in the 60s were French Paraboots. made especially for jumping and pretty expensive. I jumped mine a couple of years ago just for fun. Running shoes are a lot more comfortable. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #6621 December 27, 2008 Quote The cool footwear in the 60s were French Paraboots. made especially for jumping and pretty expensive. I jumped mine a couple of years ago just for fun. Running shoes are a lot more comfortable. 377 didn't do a lot of tracking dives in those days i take it...?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #6622 December 27, 2008 Quotetom said Quote So Jo while I respect your efforts to find evidence that Duane was Cooper, in my mind a near-sighted guy does not hijack a plane blind Never mind the skull and ears and teeth and stature, personality, disabilities, dna, diabetes, availability, sensitivity to cold, bad feet and shoes, and IQ of 180? Georger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #6623 December 27, 2008 found this chinese language show on D.B. Cooper. It's cool hearing them say "D.B. Cooper" put it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAd3_fNCoww&feature=channel_page They assembled video from a variety of sources. It may not have been on real tv, but just online?? put it up on youtube so it'd be more accessible. Mostly patched together from other vids already out there. I thought it was rough going thru the German Discovery Channel vid. This is rougher! There are some snaps I think I could get that are new. Haven't done that yet. I think I saw a different angle of the trench dug at the Ingram money site. We had seen a photo of the prof crouched in the trench, but this shows that video was taken of that trench too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #6624 December 27, 2008 There is a DB Cooper page on facebook. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/DB-Cooper/10001004301?ref=s His personal interests are listed as "Hijacking aircraft, parachuting, hiding, and evading capture." Guess who the email contact address is... Incidentally the latest post there is Gossett's son claiming it is his dad. There is also a DB Cooper fan club. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2226981560 Link to Sluggo's site on this page. I suspect some of the posters here already are aware of these sites. There are also 118 profiles with the name DB Cooper, some of whom seem to purport to be the hijacker - I'm not going to sift through all of them. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #6625 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote The cool footwear in the 60s were French Paraboots. made especially for jumping and pretty expensive. I jumped mine a couple of years ago just for fun. Running shoes are a lot more comfortable. 377 didn't do a lot of tracking dives in those days i take it...? as late as 1985, the boots seemed ankle-laceup-style? This picture is from Issaquah in 1985, showing the boot rack. When did these kind of things stop being the norm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 Next Page 265 of 2585 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 51 51
snowmman 3 #6623 December 27, 2008 found this chinese language show on D.B. Cooper. It's cool hearing them say "D.B. Cooper" put it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAd3_fNCoww&feature=channel_page They assembled video from a variety of sources. It may not have been on real tv, but just online?? put it up on youtube so it'd be more accessible. Mostly patched together from other vids already out there. I thought it was rough going thru the German Discovery Channel vid. This is rougher! There are some snaps I think I could get that are new. Haven't done that yet. I think I saw a different angle of the trench dug at the Ingram money site. We had seen a photo of the prof crouched in the trench, but this shows that video was taken of that trench too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #6624 December 27, 2008 There is a DB Cooper page on facebook. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/DB-Cooper/10001004301?ref=s His personal interests are listed as "Hijacking aircraft, parachuting, hiding, and evading capture." Guess who the email contact address is... Incidentally the latest post there is Gossett's son claiming it is his dad. There is also a DB Cooper fan club. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2226981560 Link to Sluggo's site on this page. I suspect some of the posters here already are aware of these sites. There are also 118 profiles with the name DB Cooper, some of whom seem to purport to be the hijacker - I'm not going to sift through all of them. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #6625 December 27, 2008 QuoteQuote The cool footwear in the 60s were French Paraboots. made especially for jumping and pretty expensive. I jumped mine a couple of years ago just for fun. Running shoes are a lot more comfortable. 377 didn't do a lot of tracking dives in those days i take it...? as late as 1985, the boots seemed ankle-laceup-style? This picture is from Issaquah in 1985, showing the boot rack. When did these kind of things stop being the norm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites