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I agree he's either a little bit nearsighted, or at least a little bit of astigmatism (minus cyl in the 90 degree axis). Not a whole lot, but some.



Peregrinerose,

Thanks for coming back and giving us the right answer! I am glad to stand corrected. I think the general idea that he was in a high stress situation that required all of his faculties holds true. I doubt we are ever going to see the actual prescription so its likely to end here.

For me it still puts Duane out of the picture as Cooper. I think the real Dan Cooper didn't need glasses and everything in the testimony indicated he got along fine without them. He could have had goggles hidden somewhere along with the eyeglasses but that exceeds what we know about the situation.

Thanks!

Tom

ps sorry about the he/she mistake!



I don't think that the Rx alone eliminates Duane. I think it decreases the likelihood a bit, but not totally rules out. I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend). And if his script is as low as I think it is, he probably could have pulled the hijack off just fine with that kind of vision.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

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I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend).



But he presumably wasn't in denial - seeing as there are plenty of photos of him in glasses??

As an aside, surely the US has an eyetest as a requirement for a driver's license??
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"you have women on the brain! 377 Effect.Wink "


OK Georger. I accept that. So tell me, what is the Georger Effect? Inquiring minds want to know.

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I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend).



But he presumably wasn't in denial - seeing as there are plenty of photos of him in glasses??

As an aside, surely the US has an eyetest as a requirement for a driver's license??



Unfortunately, people are inherently stupid, and will wear glasses for the eye test, and never wear them again. Plus, you only get the eye test once (at least in PA) and never again.

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I see people frequently that honesly believe their vsion is perfectly fine and they are safe to drive, etc even if they can barely see the big E on the chart. It's usually guys that are in that kind of denial as well (no offense to all of you guy-types on here, that's just the trend).



But he presumably wasn't in denial - seeing as there are plenty of photos of him in glasses??

As an aside, surely the US has an eyetest as a requirement for a driver's license??



Unfortunately, people are inherently stupid, and will wear glasses for the eye test, and never wear them again. Plus, you only get the eye test once (at least in PA) and never again.



I think I'm in the category peregrinerose outlines. I've needed glasses for the drivers license eye test for a long time. But I still drive during the day without them. I pretty much always wear them at night (driving) now. But no other times.

All photos of me have no glasses.

If a hijacker didn't need glasses for the hijack, I would think most photos of him would be without glasses.
If most were with glasses, then it would be odd to do the hijack without glasses?

Would I wear sunglasses during the hijack? No, because then I definitely wouldn't be able to see what's going on. I need all the light I can get.

The lenses were pretty dark on Cooper's shades?

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After the BASE jumpers killed the appeal of ordinary skydiving I have had to rely increasingly on literary means to impress women.



Well, georger's strategy is probably effective also:
"I am not FBI. I am not CIA. And I am not interested in you."

I wouldn't bet against that.



Georger only patronizes bars that have a married seating section. No point misleading anyone.

On the other hand, if he gets approached while sitting there, he knows he is in for some serious no strings attached action.

Georger is clever, you gotta admit it Snow.

Hey, check out this thread, everyone needs a friend like Mick:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2340978;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

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I had actually glanced at that thread. I was thinking, after all this Cooper stuff, "How hard could it be to find Vic"

There's a fair number of posts at DZ.com where someone's looking for an old buddy. Everyone should be findable..it's just a matter of effort.

I wonder what the hit rate is for posts that are looking for an old buddy, and people post at DZ.com and someone answers. I guess it depends on whether the guy continued jumping in his older years?

It would be interesting to know what percentage of jumpers continue jumping, if they jumped when they were young.

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First, Peregrine is most definitely a 'she' :)



377: high five!


High 5's aside, is this another man/woman thing?

Tom focused on the "peregrine" bit.
I saw the "rose" and knew it had to be a she.

btw p/rose... we've discovered Snow inspects posters to see if they are men or women. Maybe Cooper isn't the only thing he's looking for online:P:)
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I had actually glanced at that thread. I was thinking, after all this Cooper stuff, "How hard could it be to find Vic"

There's a fair number of posts at DZ.com where someone's looking for an old buddy. Everyone should be findable..it's just a matter of effort.

I wonder what the hit rate is for posts that are looking for an old buddy, and people post at DZ.com and someone answers. I guess it depends on whether the guy continued jumping in his older years?

It would be interesting to know what percentage of jumpers continue jumping, if they jumped when they were young.



Very few continue in my experience. I'd guess less than 5%. You can look at SOS, skydivers over sixty or POPS parachutusts over phorty and get some rough cuts on metrics. Of the hundred or so jumpers I knew from my early days 1968-75, only three still jump today.

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First, Peregrine is most definitely a 'she' :)



377: high five!


High 5's aside, is this another man/woman thing?

Tom focused on the "peregrine" bit.
I saw the "rose" and knew it had to be a she.

btw p/rose... we've discovered Snow inspects posters to see if they are men or women. Maybe Cooper isn't the only thing he's looking for online:P:)


MATCH.COOPER.COM... where the obsessed connect.

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Nah, I figure this is a group therapy thing. You sit around, and read the other guy's posts, and say to yourself "Well at least I'm not as messed up as that guy"

:)

Although I'm reminded of the line a guy gave my wife in the grocery store, after she said she was married.
"Isn't everyone?"

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very few continue in my experience. I'd guess less than 5%. You can look at SOS, skydivers over sixty or POPS parachutusts over phorty and get some rough cuts on metrics. Of the hundred or so jumpers I knew from my early days 1968-75, only three still jump today.

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well if that concept was also true in 1971, and Cooper was 45 in 1971, then looking for him jumping at the DZs then pretty much didn't make sense?

(I could never understand why jumpers who were in their 30's in 1971, acted like it made sense for the FBI to talk to them?)

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Nah, I figure this is a group therapy thing. You sit around, and read the other guy's posts, and say to yourself "Well at least I'm not as messed up as that guy"



LOL!! That is just too funny especially considering the range of weirdness we have on this forum.

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It's actually a pretty big planet...relatively speaking.

I'm betting even a blind skydiving hijacker would be able to hit it 8 out of 10 times!



Actually, I'd bet a blind skydiving hijacker would hit it 10 out of 10 times.
How well he'd hit it is another story of course...:P



I'm willing to venture that on the type of round parachute that's referenced regarding this topic... he'd hit the planet about the same way ~ blind, sighted, drunk or sober. B|










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all kidding aside, Airtwardo has a good point. Once deployed, Cooper's night landing under a 28 ft C9 depended a lot more on luck than canopy guidance skills.

It was kind of a joke to call them steerable, at least the ones likely to be packed in a bailout rig. Rotatable is a more accurate description. You could change where you were looking very easily, but changing where you were going if a good wind was blowing was a different story.

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very few continue in my experience. I'd guess less than 5%. You can look at SOS, skydivers over sixty or POPS parachutusts over phorty and get some rough cuts on metrics. Of the hundred or so jumpers I knew from my early days 1968-75, only three still jump today.

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well if that concept was also true in 1971, and Cooper was 45 in 1971, then looking for him jumping at the DZs then pretty much didn't make sense?

(I could never understand why jumpers who were in their 30's in 1971, acted like it made sense for the FBI to talk to them?)



Cooper might be one of those old jumpers who quit for a while, was not current in 71, but had no qualms about making a jump without refresher training. He might still be making a jump now and then. There is a JOES club, (jumpers over eighty) and they are very competent RW flyers!

The ram air chutes (squares) made it possible for old guys (like me) to stay active. If you can resist swooping, avoid high winds and fly a lightly loaded canopy, they will give you safe soft landings just about every time.

Wouldn't that be a hoot if Coop still made a jump now and then? The young hotshot kids who think they rule coolness would have no idea that the old guy on their load could put them all to shame.

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A lot of the old pictures I see show the guys wearing army style boots - was this to protect your ankles under rounds? It sure wasn't for freefall performance...
Just thinking about Cooper and his loafers.



Loafers would almost certainly come off in a jet jump. Very hard to understand how an experienced jumper expected to exit, freefall, land and walk out in loafers.

The cool footwear in the 60s were French Paraboots. made especially for jumping and pretty expensive. I jumped mine a couple of years ago just for fun. Running shoes are a lot more comfortable.

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The cool footwear in the 60s were French Paraboots. made especially for jumping and pretty expensive. I jumped mine a couple of years ago just for fun. Running shoes are a lot more comfortable.

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didn't do a lot of tracking dives in those days i take it...?
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So Jo while I respect your efforts to find evidence that Duane was Cooper, in my mind a near-sighted guy does not hijack a plane blind



Never mind the skull and ears and teeth and stature,
personality, disabilities, dna, diabetes, availability, sensitivity to cold, bad feet and shoes, and IQ of
180?


Georger.

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found this chinese language show on D.B. Cooper. It's cool hearing them say "D.B. Cooper"

put it on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAd3_fNCoww&feature=channel_page

They assembled video from a variety of sources. It may not have been on real tv, but just online??

put it up on youtube so it'd be more accessible.
Mostly patched together from other vids already out there.

I thought it was rough going thru the German Discovery Channel vid. This is rougher!

There are some snaps I think I could get that are new. Haven't done that yet.

I think I saw a different angle of the trench dug at the Ingram money site. We had seen a photo of the prof crouched in the trench, but this shows that video was taken of that trench too?

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There is a DB Cooper page on facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/DB-Cooper/10001004301?ref=s

His personal interests are listed as "Hijacking aircraft, parachuting, hiding, and evading capture." :D

Guess who the email contact address is...

Incidentally the latest post there is Gossett's son claiming it is his dad.

There is also a DB Cooper fan club.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2226981560 Link to Sluggo's site on this page.

I suspect some of the posters here already are aware of these sites.

There are also 118 profiles with the name DB Cooper, some of whom seem to purport to be the hijacker - I'm not going to sift through all of them.

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The cool footwear in the 60s were French Paraboots. made especially for jumping and pretty expensive. I jumped mine a couple of years ago just for fun. Running shoes are a lot more comfortable.

377



didn't do a lot of tracking dives in those days i take it...?



as late as 1985, the boots seemed ankle-laceup-style? This picture is from Issaquah in 1985, showing the boot rack. When did these kind of things stop being the norm?

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