snowmman 3
georger 247
QuoteQuoteThe act of bringing a chute makes you traceable.
It means you have skills.
not bringing anything, is better for being untraceable.
I'd agree with Snow here. The question of whether or not Cooper was a whuffo wouldn't even have arisen if he had brought his own; instead it is a subject for debate and possibly has clouded the trail along the way.
I dont see any evidence at all suggesting experience outside of the lone comment about
McChord. Air Force Base = Parachutes. He did not
mention any private resource in relationship to
parachutes. Tossing the packing card was brvado/
nerves. Frankly, he acted scared shitless, silent,
and sad (which even Jo picked up on).
Ckret says he dawned the chute early intending to
bail near Seattle. I think that is wrong. (sorry Johnny
Utah Hollywood). I think he dawned the chute early
to make damned sure he could get one on! His primary thought was: escape, dead or alive.
Cooper had "tells". Everyone has "tells". He showed his "tells". Anyone care to guess what they were?
Its never been discussed here before ....
Back to your scheduled programming -
snowmman 3
georger: you may be right.
But how do we search for a whuffo?
what should I be looking for?
Is Ckret's strategy correct then? This case is totally dependent on a close relative remembering or finding something?
Can we help that process?
What exactly should we be doing, georger?
But how do we search for a whuffo?
what should I be looking for?
Is Ckret's strategy correct then? This case is totally dependent on a close relative remembering or finding something?
Can we help that process?
What exactly should we be doing, georger?
georger 247
QuoteQuote"Amazing" is the word used by others when describing Snowmmans posts, but lets not let his ego get too big.
Snowmman is actually a warm, hospitable, modest and likeable person. He is very smart, but we all know that. He doesn't show off his brains in social situations. He is quite tolerant of foolish errors made by mortals.
Of course, who I met might have been a plant with the REAL evil CIA controlled Team Snowmman all laughing like Jokers and Jackals at my naive gullibility.
How could I have been so dumb?
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You have said this 500 times! There must be a reason?
georger 247
Tom Kaye has shown their forensic analysis of the money was flawed, so who knows?
What "their forensic analysis of the money" ?
The FBI did no forensic analysis of the money,
that I am aware of. All they did was a low level
inspection and then contaminated the bills by'
dusting old wrinkled paper money for finger prints.
Finding no alien life forms with signs reading
"HELLOW EGYPTH" they left it at that.
Tom will sort this all out by expanding his efforts.
The FBI and Ckret will not participate in anything
public here again. They are gone. Its all in Tom's
hands. Tom may have received a bailout.
georger 247
Quotegeorger: you may be right.
But how do we search for a whuffo?
what should I be looking for?
Is Ckret's strategy correct then? This case is totally dependent on a close relative remembering or finding something?
Can we help that process?
What exactly should we be doing, georger?
Ckret jumped to conclusions which contradict
his own thesis. That's one place to start.
I would tackle Jerry/H flight path vrs Ckret's/FBI?
Something is definately screwed up there.
But, I sense the lockdown has occurred following
Tom's debacle on Nat Geo. Funny how that works.
Tom gets rewarded and they all go secret. Isnt
that how secret beaurocracies work?
Where is Jerry? He was suppsoed to come back
here with a report. He hasnt. I fear Jerry has
been shut down or something. Probably more
Tom Kaye backwash. Doors are being closed.
Fundamental to the process. Funny how that works. Doors open. Doors close. But being worldly folks
you already know this. Hell you probably knew what
Tom was going to say before he did! Who writes the
Cooperphelia script shit !? Gomer Pyle?
snowmman 3
I'm confused. I thought you said the FBI had the opportunity to do forensic analysis on the money multiple times over the years, like they did for the DNA analysis from the tie, and the various fingerprint analyses they did over the years.
I also assumed they did a thorough fiber and other forensic analysis at the time, and have a pretty good idea of how old/used the tie was at the time of the hijack.
I expect Tom's thing about the pollen is just wrong, since he's been wrong about contaminants before?
But the other stuff Tom did: in the documentary he clearly showed that the money was deposited soon after the jump, based on his analysis of the money, and other data.
This is new/different, than what the FBI presented over the years. So I'm assuming the FBI's forensic analysis was flawed, because they didn't have access to the gear that Tom did. Tom has a lot of scientific equipment at his home in AZ.
(edit) Does anyone know how much Tom got paid? There's a rumor that he got $50k. Which is to be expected. That equipment doesn't come cheap. There's also a rumor that Sluggo got paid, but I don't believe that.
(edit) Jerry: if you need a brightlight, turn on your beacon.
(edit) Georger: food for thought: Waugh thought Cooper's act was "slick". Waugh is a professional giving judgment. Do you think maybe Waugh doesn't have all the facts? I'm wondering why your judgment might be better than Waugh's. Comments?
I also assumed they did a thorough fiber and other forensic analysis at the time, and have a pretty good idea of how old/used the tie was at the time of the hijack.
I expect Tom's thing about the pollen is just wrong, since he's been wrong about contaminants before?
But the other stuff Tom did: in the documentary he clearly showed that the money was deposited soon after the jump, based on his analysis of the money, and other data.
This is new/different, than what the FBI presented over the years. So I'm assuming the FBI's forensic analysis was flawed, because they didn't have access to the gear that Tom did. Tom has a lot of scientific equipment at his home in AZ.
(edit) Does anyone know how much Tom got paid? There's a rumor that he got $50k. Which is to be expected. That equipment doesn't come cheap. There's also a rumor that Sluggo got paid, but I don't believe that.
(edit) Jerry: if you need a brightlight, turn on your beacon.
(edit) Georger: food for thought: Waugh thought Cooper's act was "slick". Waugh is a professional giving judgment. Do you think maybe Waugh doesn't have all the facts? I'm wondering why your judgment might be better than Waugh's. Comments?
snowmman 3
Seattle coffee IS available in Cape Town. So the locals must think it's okay. I won't accept Orange1's judgement on Vida, unless she says she's at least sampled a cup at Seattle Coffee.
The invasion has been put on hold till this is resolved. There is no more room in the C-123K, so we can't bring our own.
Need an answer.
http://south-africa-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/cape_towns_best_coffee_experience
Cape Town may not be part of the Starbucks Empire, but there are two places to get your caffeine fix in an urban designer setting, namely Seattle Coffee and Vida E Caffé, which offer Cape Town’s best coffee experience.
Seattle Coffee, Cape Town’s copycat franchise based on the famous Starbucks chain has been operating for close to a decade and has outlets – mostly in malls – all over Cape Town. Seattle Coffee has imitated Starbuck’s formula of offering an empowering, yet agonizing choice of coffee permutations and a similar caffeine cult language to express it.
While it may not match Starbucks 19,000 different coffee styles, many of the most popular global coffee idioms of Starbucks coffee lingua franca, such as the ubiquitous Grande Latte, are available. Starbucks speakers will have no problem communicating, although a few translations are in order: A “no-fun-grande-latte-with-wings” is equivalent to a decaffeinated tall latte to go (no supersizes here). Seattle Coffee’s exposed, burnt brick walls, distressed leather arm chairs, marble coffee tables and dark veneer floors in its franchises are standard Starbucks, as are the above average prices. Seattle, like Starbucks, offers a coffee experience beyond the drinking and charges for it.
Seattle’s main rival, Vida e Caffé (Life and Coffee, in Portuguese) popped up a few years ago to capitalize on the coffee experience market. A Portuguese coffee shop concept, with an emphasis on making the best coffee, offering Portuguese rolls and pastries, in an urban chic environment has expanded to dozens of franchises around Cape Town. Its trademark bold Ferrari red and white signage, faux wood grain counters, mosaic tiles, and white and stainless steel furniture targets trendy, creative, urbanites from models to film producers.
Vida offers a limited range of freshly baked, white bread rolls filled with Portuguese cold meat such as Chorizo sausage, as well as mozzarella, smoked salmon, and fried egg. Muffins are also displayed prominently and range from sweet pepper and feta, to four cheeses, to blueberry, white chocolate and others. Vida’s coffee is thick and rich and its foam is ultra-thick (because they use ultra-pasteurized nonfat milk as their secret ingredient)
Instead of learning coffee speak, its clients have become familiar with Portuguese ordering items like pao com salmao (salmon roll), and coffee gelado (iced coffee). The usually lusophone African staff from Mozambique or Angola, have been told to deliver a constant stream of noisy Portuguese to enliven the atmosphere and add to the caffeine buzz. Despite being a franchise, Vida has – through clever marketing – been able to retain its genuine one-off feel, essential for its clientele which prides itself on its individualism.
The invasion has been put on hold till this is resolved. There is no more room in the C-123K, so we can't bring our own.
Need an answer.
http://south-africa-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/cape_towns_best_coffee_experience
Cape Town may not be part of the Starbucks Empire, but there are two places to get your caffeine fix in an urban designer setting, namely Seattle Coffee and Vida E Caffé, which offer Cape Town’s best coffee experience.
Seattle Coffee, Cape Town’s copycat franchise based on the famous Starbucks chain has been operating for close to a decade and has outlets – mostly in malls – all over Cape Town. Seattle Coffee has imitated Starbuck’s formula of offering an empowering, yet agonizing choice of coffee permutations and a similar caffeine cult language to express it.
While it may not match Starbucks 19,000 different coffee styles, many of the most popular global coffee idioms of Starbucks coffee lingua franca, such as the ubiquitous Grande Latte, are available. Starbucks speakers will have no problem communicating, although a few translations are in order: A “no-fun-grande-latte-with-wings” is equivalent to a decaffeinated tall latte to go (no supersizes here). Seattle Coffee’s exposed, burnt brick walls, distressed leather arm chairs, marble coffee tables and dark veneer floors in its franchises are standard Starbucks, as are the above average prices. Seattle, like Starbucks, offers a coffee experience beyond the drinking and charges for it.
Seattle’s main rival, Vida e Caffé (Life and Coffee, in Portuguese) popped up a few years ago to capitalize on the coffee experience market. A Portuguese coffee shop concept, with an emphasis on making the best coffee, offering Portuguese rolls and pastries, in an urban chic environment has expanded to dozens of franchises around Cape Town. Its trademark bold Ferrari red and white signage, faux wood grain counters, mosaic tiles, and white and stainless steel furniture targets trendy, creative, urbanites from models to film producers.
Vida offers a limited range of freshly baked, white bread rolls filled with Portuguese cold meat such as Chorizo sausage, as well as mozzarella, smoked salmon, and fried egg. Muffins are also displayed prominently and range from sweet pepper and feta, to four cheeses, to blueberry, white chocolate and others. Vida’s coffee is thick and rich and its foam is ultra-thick (because they use ultra-pasteurized nonfat milk as their secret ingredient)
Instead of learning coffee speak, its clients have become familiar with Portuguese ordering items like pao com salmao (salmon roll), and coffee gelado (iced coffee). The usually lusophone African staff from Mozambique or Angola, have been told to deliver a constant stream of noisy Portuguese to enliven the atmosphere and add to the caffeine buzz. Despite being a franchise, Vida has – through clever marketing – been able to retain its genuine one-off feel, essential for its clientele which prides itself on its individualism.
THEODORE M. BRADEN
213 GOVERNORS AVE
TRENTON, OH 45067
SSN: 275-68-XXXX (SSN was assigned in OH in 1975-1976)
Phone: REDACTED (I don’t want to post it here, PM me if you need it.)
Year of Birth: 1959
Age: 49
Who, on some outside possibility, could be Ted B. Braden’s son (I know, that’s stretching).
So, here’s what I’m thinking:
We can get back into the spirit of where we were in April of 2008 (the parachute find) and try to work together. If the FBI didn’t investigate Braden, we should.
1. Let’s find him (if he’s still alive).
2. Select someone to talk to/interview him. (Bruce maybe?)
3. See if what he has to say, will eliminate him or makes us more suspicious.
4. Figure out a path forward after that.
I can try to do this alone, but two heads are better than one and about sixteen are a LOT better than one.
I took Bulldog back down to the basement and chained him up. I stayed awhile, thanked him, and tried to console him, but he’s taking it pretty hard. He doesn't accept defeat very well.
213 GOVERNORS AVE
TRENTON, OH 45067
SSN: 275-68-XXXX (SSN was assigned in OH in 1975-1976)
Phone: REDACTED (I don’t want to post it here, PM me if you need it.)
Year of Birth: 1959
Age: 49
Who, on some outside possibility, could be Ted B. Braden’s son (I know, that’s stretching).
So, here’s what I’m thinking:
We can get back into the spirit of where we were in April of 2008 (the parachute find) and try to work together. If the FBI didn’t investigate Braden, we should.
1. Let’s find him (if he’s still alive).
2. Select someone to talk to/interview him. (Bruce maybe?)
3. See if what he has to say, will eliminate him or makes us more suspicious.
4. Figure out a path forward after that.
I can try to do this alone, but two heads are better than one and about sixteen are a LOT better than one.
I took Bulldog back down to the basement and chained him up. I stayed awhile, thanked him, and tried to console him, but he’s taking it pretty hard. He doesn't accept defeat very well.
I commiserate with The Bulldog, Sluggo - here's what I've got:
1. Had a good chat about Ted with a 19 yr vet of the Yougnstown FBI office. "I've never heard of him," is what I got back. The agent was named John and was a nice guy. Even looked in a local phone book for Bradens while I was on the phone. Nada.
2. Had a dandy chat with Frank, the Editor at the Niles Trib. He's intrigued and I wouldn't be surprised if he joins us for a bit. He's gonna ask the "old hands" tomorrow.
3. Niles, Ohio has only one high school (I'm thinking Ted or family is in and around Niles) and has quite a bit of bullying going on these days. Hmmm.
4. PIO at the Niles PD didn't know nuttin', the chief was unable to take a call, but the PIO tried to patch me to some vet detectives out on the street, but it got too hectic. Tomorrow's an other day...
5. Donny Duncan is about as hard to find as Teddie Bear. Random House still has him on the books, but the grunts in publicity decided today was not a good day to pick up the phone. But hearing their phone messages put a smile on my face. Serious attitudes and a Brooklyn accent?!!! Ahh, my people!
6. I talked to every Don Duncan I could find in Montana, but no dice. As for the Montana Heritage Project, they don't seem so interested in making history this week.
7. I met a really sharp gal tonight covering the Pierce County (WA) Fair, and normally when this happens, and she tells me she is married I get a tad disappointed. But, not this night! Her hubby was an intel guy for the 5th SF in a Southeast Asian country far, far away, and after I told her about Dan-Ted-Billy-Donald she's sure her hubby would really like to talk with me. Ahhh, bottle of wine, fruit o' da vine...I see some lip-smacking Cabernet in my future....
She's also a former psych nurse from Canada. I love synchronicity, don't y'all?
georger 247
QuoteI'm confused. I thought you said the FBI had the opportunity to do forensic analysis on the money multiple times over the years, like they did for the DNA analysis from the tie, and the various fingerprint analyses they did over the years.
I also assumed they did a thorough fiber and other forensic analysis at the time, and have a pretty good idea of how old/used the tie was at the time of the hijack.
I expect Tom's thing about the pollen is just wrong, since he's been wrong about contaminants before?
But the other stuff Tom did: in the documentary he clearly showed that the money was deposited soon after the jump, based on his analysis of the money, and other data.
This is new/different, than what the FBI presented over the years. So I'm assuming the FBI's forensic analysis was flawed, because they didn't have access to the gear that Tom did. Tom has a lot of scientific equipment at his home in AZ.
(edit) Does anyone know how much Tom got paid? There's a rumor that he got $50k. Which is to be expected. That equipment doesn't come cheap. There's also a rumor that Sluggo got paid, but I don't believe that.
(edit) Jerry: if you need a brightlight, turn on your beacon.
(edit) Georger: food for thought: Waugh thought Cooper's act was "slick". Waugh is a professional giving judgment. Do you think maybe Waugh doesn't have all the facts? I'm wondering why your judgment might be better than Waugh's. Comments?
Quantico had laboratory methods, equipment, and
resources available in the 80s. My impression is (its
only an impression) the FBI was more focused on
finding Cooper the person than on forensic analysis
of 'extraneous artifacts' and a judgment call was
made after initial examinations. That is why the
money was tested for finger prints after a cursory examination. In like manner the tie was examined and tested for anything that would lead to a person.
Eventually the tie was used to try and pull dna.
It all adds up to a focus on Cooper the person
vrs. forensic testing which may have been judged
irrelevant.
I am not a historian in this. I was not there!
It is my hope Tom Kaye will submit his work
to true forensic experts and let them examine
his conclusions. If I were the FBI I would not
settle for anything less and it is well within the
FBI's means to do this... no matter what Mr. Kaye
was paid or not paid by whomever.
Bullshit is expensive in any event.
georger 247
in the documentary he clearly showed that the money was deposited soon after the jump, based on his analysis of the money, and other data.
Can you explain. I have not seen the Nat Geo
program. What analysis of Tom's proved this
conclusion, according to who? Please explain -
nigel99 528
Quotegeorger: you may be right.
But how do we search for a whuffo?
what should I be looking for?
Is Ckret's strategy correct then? This case is totally dependent on a close relative remembering or finding something?
Can we help that process?
What exactly should we be doing, georger?
Follow Jerry looking for a corpse. Honestly I believe that a whuffo would not survive a night jump from a jet with no training.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
georger 247
Tomorrow's an other day...
I might as well post this in as much as Jerry Thomas
has not appeared here, as I thought he said he
would. Jerry was going to call the Fazio's and
confirm the date of their 'fragment field' observation.
If you recall Jerry said the Fazio's thought the money had come to Tina Bar with 'the last high tide'.
Snow has just posted Tom says the money was
at Tina Bar all along! I have no idea where Tom
is getting that .... maybe has something to do with
Tom's interest in Jo Weber's story about 'the pipeline road' and a 'pipeline shack' and 'where Duane came out of the woods' ???
During a phone conversation with Jerry several days
ago Jerry said he thought the Fazio's made their observation after (a) after the Ingram find
(b) after the Fazio's were contacted by the FBI,
and (c) during some meeting with the FBI at Tina
Bar.
Presumably it was during this joint meeting at
Tina Bar that Fazio's (and everyone) saw a fragment
field, 100-200 feet long parallel to the river. The
meeting would have been during the week of Monday
Feb 11th, 1980 -
Jerry Thomas can come here and clarify this if I
have stated this incorrectly.
)
thats very well put . . .
We do have Duane Weber's fingerprints. (remember Ckret posted)
If Ckret would publish some of the prints from the plane, we could do a comparison.
It's possible the FBI fingerprint analysis is flawed.
Tom Kaye has shown their forensic analysis of the money was flawed, so who knows?