DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

I was thinking about this supposed Airline Ticket.

We never really sorted out which Ticket it was.

Was it one of the copies of the Dan Cooper ticket?
Or was it one of the tickets used to get to, or return from, Portland?

It sounds to me like there are 3 possible tickets, maybe more if there were connecting flights.

Which of the possible tickets, was the Magic Dog Ticket?

And: Why keep only one ticket?

Jo held the ticket in her hand?
Jo: what did it say for the two end points again? Or the date?

Why did Duane the Hijacker just keep one of the fistful of probable tickets? (if Duane had gotten himself to WA to do some hijacking)

(edit) Found an old article that said "Jo Weber once found an old airline ticket from Portland to Seattle".

So it was the Dan Cooper ticket? I'm wondering why Jo noticed "Portland" and "Seattle" and apparently "11/24/71" But didn't notice the name "Dan Cooper" and wonder about it then?

Or did it not say "Dan Cooper" but "Duane Weber"

Jo never said the date on the ticket???

[snowmman 3]

Now if you're burying paper evidence with a dog, it's obviously not for preservation, since the paper will get decomposed.

So it's for evidence destruction.

Why not just burn the paper ticket?

What's the goal for sticking it in the dog orifice and burying it?

[georger 247]

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Now if you're burying paper evidence with a dog, it's obviously not for preservation, since the paper will get decomposed.

So it's for evidence destruction.

Why not just burn the paper ticket?

What's the goal for sticking it in the dog orifice and burying it?

Because all physical laws require Human intervention.
We have known this since the Gilgamesh story. Their
ancestors knew it, from the Knee Bone Hip Bone story
written by Hut Tumush. The Torah was an outgrowth
of that, a nice early Phonecian version of how the
world works. If there were not human invention, the
Universe would stop - instantly.

The Disciples of Anthropic Secret Design know this.
Jo knows this. Les Paul knew it. Himmeslbach knew it. But you and Orange and 377 and Sluggo just don't git it!

You must bury evidence in the asshole of a dog.
That keeps the planet orbiting the Sun.

[Orange1 0]

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Now if you're burying paper evidence with a dog, it's obviously not for preservation, since the paper will get decomposed.

So it's for evidence destruction.

Why not just burn the paper ticket?

What's the goal for sticking it in the dog orifice and burying it?

yeah, i asked that already! cheap bad novel plot.

the ticket most likely would have been the "not valid for passage" or whatever it used to say, foil at the back ... because if it was an actual valid ticket it would have been unused? (remember they used to tear the tickets out for each leg in the old days. Orange1 gets a forward flash, telling her incredulous grandchildren: "when i was young we used paper tickets...")

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[Orange1 0]

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Found an old article that said "Jo Weber once found an old airline ticket from Portland to Seattle".

So it was the Dan Cooper ticket? I'm wondering why Jo noticed "Portland" and "Seattle" and apparently "11/24/71" But didn't notice the name "Dan Cooper" and wonder about it then?

Or did it not say "Dan Cooper" but "Duane Weber"

Ah, an excellent point, Snow.

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[skyjack71 0]

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Now if you're burying paper evidence with a dog, it's obviously not for preservation, since the paper will get decomposed.

So it's for evidence destruction.

Why not just burn the paper ticket?

What's the goal for sticking it in the dog orifice and burying it?

The body of the dog was dug up in 2001 so I was only 5 yrs into my search. It was the late fall of 1994 that we buried the dog and Duane was wearing his big puffy coat. He had come out of the bedroom and he had a pill bottle in his hand. I asked what it was and he said the papers on the dog (note I later found these papers so that was an out and out llie). He went iinto the garage where the dog was and asked to be left alone - the helper was already digging the grave site. I did not see the dog after Duane had his private time with him - he may have had second thoughts about buring whatever it was with the dog.

When we dug the dog up - we expected this gold pill bottle to fall loose - we did not expect to find a soupy body - NO ONE was prepared for this. It was stated to me that I needed to have some one do an autopsy on the body - but I could ill afford to have that done...I did make some phone calls because now I knew where the dog was buried.

Before I was several feet off and none of the equipment a local treasure hunter group had detected this grave site because it was 4 feet deep??????? It took special equipment to find the grave site...

Who would bury a dog that deep - I knew when the helper dug the grave it was deep, but didn't realize how deep.

Duane may have had second thoughts about whatever was in that pill bottle and maybe he put it in the book that wasn't a book...which was in the stuff from the closing of the shop stored in the garage. The garage sale happened after we buried the dog...and Duane's concern about the book thing which I never saw. I have explained this before and the sequences of the book that wasn't a book.

Duane was very ill at this time and within 2 months he went to the hospital for the last time.

The ticket was a carbon of the original - they used carbon paper between the copies. I looked at the date and said it out LOUD to Duane with the to and from. I remarked it was a very old ticket and he said - it used to mean something but it doesn't mean anything anymore. This is why he surmised I threw it in the throw away pile, but didn't want to create any attention to it. As I have told you guys - he was a genius at re-directing a conversation or maybe because I have Dumb Blonde Syndrome.

I have took my mind back to that time and often thought maybe someone could hypnotize me and I would be able to read the numbers off and give the name on the ticket - then CARR made the boarding pass availble in the forum which meant that any testing of me would have been conpromised. Carr did a very bad thing on the forum at that time, because it nullified any possible information that might have been extracted from my memory by hypnotism.

I was willing for someone to attempt the hynotism - if I had come out with the numbers and the name - this would be over (CARR was aware of this). Now that information is useless. I was concerned if someone would be able to hynotize me because it had been tried when I was a very young woman and I always believed that it was just an act.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Interesting article on piloting the Columbia River, info about tide, currents, "bank effect" etc. Georger should like this.

The Columbia River is a big deal to mariners, especially at the mouth where a sandbar and big ocean swells can combine to produce deadly "bar breaks." Many ships and boats have come to grief there and the loss of life over the last two centuries is staggering.

The Bar Pilots and River Pilots are two separate entities. Check out the photos on the Bar Pilots website. I have crossed the Columbia Bar in iffy conditions and it is waaaay scarier than skydiving. No reserve, no AAD.

http://www.columbiariverbarpilots.com/

Be sure to read the attached article. Any comments on its contents Georger? Tom?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/311046_fbiterror11.html

Jo uses emotional language a lot to accuse the FBI of not doing stuff when they should be doing stuff.

Read the article above from 2007, and you can see there are boatloads of white-collar fraud, involving millions of dollars, that go uninvestigated because of resource constraints.

(edit) Orange1: you can tie this to my thoughts on the average bank robbery.

(edit) they show a table of "crime vs. punishment" and if you work out the risk/reward for embezzlement/fraud vs bank robbery, embezzlement/fraud is definitely the better way to go..even if you get caught.

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Columbia River Bar wrecks and fatalities:

http://www.visit-astoria.com/columbia-river-bar.html

2000 vessels, 700 lives.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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Who would bury a dog that deep

The fact that the dog was buried so deep AND that it was buried in plastic tells me Duane was worried something (other dogs, wild animals, whatever) might try to dig it up.

As any kid who has buried a pet a foot or two deep in a porous container might be able to tell you...

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[Orange1 0]

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(edit) they show a table of "crime vs. punishment" and if you work out the risk/reward for embezzlement/fraud vs bank robbery, embezzlement/fraud is definitely the better way to go..even if you get caught.

Social implications though. Your average fraudster/embezzler is likely to have a reasonably responsible white collar job and the social implications (including shame for his family etc) of being caught are probably much higher than for the average bank robber.

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[snowmman 3]

I have some experience with digging very deep holes by hand.

Your 4' "deep" I think is wrong.
To cover a plastic box like you say, the hole would have to be the burial depth, plus the size of the box. Assuming a medium size dog, we're talking at least another 12"

So that would be a 5' hole.

You can't dig a 5' hole, with dimensions maybe 18"x18" or 24"x24" with a shovel.

You either need to use a post hole digger, or make the hole big enough to stand in.

What were the dimensions of the hole?

How did you measure 4'? Was this after the box was removed? if so then only 3' or so of dirt covered the box?

That would seem reasonable then, for a burial.

Not sure why you're saying it was "deep"
Sounds like it wasn't??

[snowmman 3]

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(edit) they show a table of "crime vs. punishment" and if you work out the risk/reward for embezzlement/fraud vs bank robbery, embezzlement/fraud is definitely the better way to go..even if you get caught.

Social implications though. Your average fraudster/embezzler is likely to have a reasonably responsible white collar job and the social implications (including shame for his family etc) of being caught are probably much higher than for the average bank robber.

Don't see the point?
You're saying you think there are fewer fraud/embezzlement crimes because of the social pressure? compared to bank robbery? (edit) I don't have the numbers to compare.

Or are you saying the total amount of money involved in fraud/embezzlement in the US, is less than the total amount involved in bank robberies?

I think it's just that poorer people do bank robberies: easier to catch/prosecute, so FBI goes after that. Has nothing to do with social benefit.

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More evidence of Jo's incredible powers. We are now doing mathematical modeling of a hole for a dead dog whose orifices may have held proof that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper.

I know, I too fall under her spell. I continue to look for the ghost prisoner smoke jumper photos.

BTW, coroners and pathologists have to deal with putrid corpses frequently. They use tank fed breathing masks similar to those used by firemen working in smoke. This gear affords users plenty of time to examine every aspect of the corpse with fresh air to breath.

I give Jo a hard time but there is something about her that I actually like: her dogged determination and unflagging belief in the incredible. Jo could get an expedition funded to search for Santa Claus at the North Pole.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

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Les Paul knew it. Himmeslbach knew it. But you and Orange and 377 and Sluggo just don't git it!

Les Paul? How about Django Reinhardt? Did he git it?

What is the old saying about a "shaggy dog" story?

I am just amazed at how Jo gets rational people to examine the most incredible claims. Maybe Georger is an exception. He never succumbs to the Sirens.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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Don't see the point?

Yes, I see that it was in terms of you talking about "risk/reward"... i was just thinking the "risk" maybe goes a bit deeper than what it "seems" to be.

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[SKYWHUFFO 1]

Here is my question, how can you see a hole, know it's 4 ft deep, have so much drama tied to the incident such as mans best friend dead, the golden ticket in a bottle shoved somewhere, a man and you can not remember where the hole was? Duane was very ill at this time, but he could wrap a dead dog in a plastic bag 2 times, place a bottle in a hole with rigormortis, then box it up in a plactic tub? did i miss somthing. Somthing stinks more than the dog on this story and the story is stretched somewhere, i don't know where, but somepiece of it is being exagerated. Either, "very very sick", the grave process, or the whole thing.

I am still asking the same question. Can ANYONE show me anything proving DB COOPER ever really existed? It plays like a bigfoot sighting, several people suposedly see it, no clear evidence, and nothing to go on.

[Orange1 0]

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her dogged determination

pun intended?

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Which of the possible tickets, was the Magic Dog Ticket?

Snow's post shows real talent at cross examination, seriously. Snowmman Industries' legal department has apparently joined the forum. They were embarrased by the slip up on expressing Ckret sympathy. Now all posts go through the lawyers.

Jo, how about responding to Snow's logical questions about the ticket?

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[snowmman 3]

skywhuffo says "I am still asking the same question. Can ANYONE show me anything proving DB COOPER ever really existed? It plays like a bigfoot sighting, several people suposedly see it, no clear evidence, and nothing to go on. "

I've posted the transcripts from the court case where the insurance company didn't want to pay up for the $200k..there was the whole question of whether the policy covered it or not.

In fact, the whole issue of whether "terrorism" acts, are excluded under the "acts of war" exclusion clauses in insurance policies has been the subject of some other court cases. I found some referencing the flight 305 case.

I'm not sure if the insurance companies tried to renege on the 9/11 stuff. They probably realized that the public would hang them if they did. I wonder how all the insurance issues played out with respect to 9/11?

How would insurance play out if someone drops a nuke? Does it matter if it's dropped by a nation-state, a terrorist, or Snowmman Industries?

Maybe I could get some protection money from the insurance companies. ....hmmm Ka-ching, Ka-ching!
It's not embezzlement/fraud, if the other party never complains!

[skyjack71 0]

Right - 3 ft cover over a 12 inch deep box. She started with a shovel and the post hold digger out of the garage. He had gone out to look at the hole and he didn't think it was deep enough.

There was a pretty big pile of dirt.
The people who dug it up and that film might show how deep he was buried, but it was too deep for the metal detectors my friends used at the beach. The second time they came out they brought the best someone had in this area and lots of other people. It took special equipment to find it - like the ones they use to find buried pipes and artifacts.

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[Sluggo_Monster 0]

Snowttroll said:

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How would insurance play out if someone drops a nuke? Does it matter if it's dropped by a nation-state, a terrorist, or Snowmman Industries?

Definitely not!

Almost all insurance policies exclude coverage of nuclear accidents (also accidents on the right-of-way of a railroad).

This caused a problem when the utilities wanted to build nuclear plants. No one wanted one in their backyard.

This was solved by the Price-Anderson Act.

The Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act (commonly called the Price-Anderson Act) is a United States federal law, first passed in 1957 and since renewed several times, which governs liability-related issues for all non-military nuclear facilities constructed in the United States before 2026. The main purpose of the Act is to partially indemnify the nuclear industry against liability claims arising from nuclear incidents while still ensuring compensation coverage for the general public. The Act establishes a no fault insurance-type system in which the first $10 billion is industry-funded as described in the Act (any claims above the $10 billion would be covered by the federal government). At the time of the Act's passing, it was considered necessary as an incentive for the private production of nuclear power — this was because investors were unwilling to accept the then-unquantified risks of nuclear energy without some limitation on their liability.

The 1999 renewal made people like me liable (with civil and criminal penalties) for neglegent acts while performing duties in the nuclear industry (DOE, DoD, NNSA, as well as commercial).

The last renewal was in 2005. (See below).

Price-Anderson Indemnification

The Price-Anderson Act authorizes methods of insuring the public for damages from nuclear accidents. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 extended the period of coverage to include all power reactors issued construction permits through December 31, 2025. while the new law does not increase the total maximum premium charged to reactor operators (set at $95,800,000 (2003 dollars) per reactor and adjusted for inflation in the future), it raises the annual charge to $15,000,000 (2003 dollars) per reactor (also adjusted for inflation).

Under the Price-Anderson program, commercial reactor operators carry the maximum amount of private insurance for off-site damages available (currently $300 million). For damages in excess, all reactor operators would be assessed up to maximum annual charge for as many reactors as they each own and for as many years as necessary until the total maximum premium has been paid. This provides for over $10.0 billion in funds for any one accident. As more commercial power reactors are built in the coming years, this $10.0 billion pool for paying out damage claims will grown substantially.

The Price-Anderson Act also authorizes the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to indemnify the nuclear-related activities of government contractors and research reactor operators with federal funds.

Boy! I was waiting for someone to ask that!

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[snowmman 3]

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Right - 3 ft cover over a 12 inch deep box. She started with a shovel and the post hold digger out of the garage. He had gone out to look at the hole and he didn't think it was deep enough.

There was a pretty big pile of dirt.
The people who dug it up and that film might show how deep he was buried, but it was too deep for the metal detectors my friends used at the beach. The second time they came out they brought the best someone had in this area and lots of other people. It took special equipment to find it - like the ones they use to find buried pipes and artifacts.

I did some searching on the 'net.
It's actually a common question people have: "how deep" to bury a pet. (some wonder about the legality of it in an urban or suburban area)
because a lot of people bury pets.

There are a lot of suggestions of "at least 3 feet deep"

So I'm thinking your burial was typical, not extraordinary.

[skyjack71 0]

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Here is my question, how can you see a hole, know it's 4 ft deep, have so much drama tied to the incident such as mans best friend dead, the golden ticket in a bottle shoved somewhere, a man and you can not remember where the hole was? Duane was very ill at this time, but he could wrap a dead dog in a plastic bag 2 times, place a bottle in a hole with rigormortis, then box it up in a plactic tub? did i miss somthing. Somthing stinks more than the dog on this story and the story is stretched somewhere, i don't know where, but somepiece of it is being exagerated. Either, "very very sick", the grave process, or the whole thing.
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You and many others do not understand Kidney disease and Duane's stamina. He was bad the day of and after dialysis, but had good days between sessions.

His bones had become fragil, but he still had endurance and mental capabililties. Some one with end stage kidney disease can be doing something one day and in the hospital the next. The dog was dead, but not stiff when he was buried. He weighed about 10 lbs (toy poodle). We are NOT talking about a big dog. I had prepared his bed - Duane wrapped him in the plastic - I did not see this until we exhumed the body - until that time I am not sure I knew about the heavy duty plastic bag he was in and I certainly didn't know what to expect. This dog was loved by us for yrs - he was our child and he was 12 yrs old when he was buried.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

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Jo, how about responding to Snow's logical questions about the ticket?

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