DB Cooper

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We are all having that screen width problem Jo. I hope they fix it soon.

OK, Jerry, what makes you claim Duane was with his family on Thanksgiving 1971?

Jo, you take innocuous things like Duane avoiding his prior family as tending to prove he was Cooper. I think a more probable explanation is just irresponsibility, commonly exhibited by convicts I have worked with. They professed all sorts of love, but weren't real big on providing financial support or meaningful contact.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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blah blah blah

Hey, whatever happened to all the interesting stuff on Nam?

Bruce, any more leads?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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We are all having that screen width problem Jo. I hope they fix it soon.

OK, Jerry, what makes you claim Duane was with his family on Thanksgiving 1971?

Jo, you take innocuous things like Duane avoiding his prior family as tending to prove he was Cooper. I think a more probable explanation is just irresponsibility, commonly exhibited by convicts I have worked with. They professed all sorts of love, but weren't real big on providing financial support or meaningful contact.

377

Glad to know that I am not the only one dealing with it - thought it was something I had done on my settings.

Innocuous or not, I need to know. If the FBI has this information - it would be an absolute atrocity if they have been in possession of concrete information which would prove Duane was not Cooper.

Withholding of such pertinent information resulting in his widow spending her life and resources in search of the truth, when the FBI had witnesses providing a concrete alibi which would prove his innocents..... Sorry, but there is something seriously wrong with our justice system if this has been allowed to happen.

This sound onminously criminal on the part of the FBI...at the very least a violation of my rights adversely affecting my quality of life.
1. What would be the purpose of concealing this information?
2. Where they afraid I would confront the individual or individuals making such a statement and require proof?
3. Didn't the FBI require proof of such a statement from this person or at least a "SWORN statement"?
4. Would this person's statement stand up in a court of law?
5. Did they make any attempt to verifiy this persons' statement.

Now it is up to Jerry and the FBI to prove what he is claiming or leave me be. If Jerry's claim is true - why in the Hell did they even bother with Duane's DNA samples in 2003 and the subsequent so called testing results in 2008.

Maybe the FBI is planning on waiting until I die - then claim they solved the case or a retiring FBI agent plans to write a TELL ALL novel disclosing the truths that have been buried in this case over the yrs. Maybe Jerry has signed a book or movie deal and has discredit me in anyway he can.

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Jeeez... the FBI has told you what proof they have. You choose not to accept it. Why would it be any different if they tell you anything else? You would just react the same as you have, find some wild reason not to accept it.

as for this

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This sound onminously criminal on the part of the FBI...at the very least a violation of my rights adversely affecting my quality of life.

puh-LEEZE... I can't actually believe you said that. Were you serious? how about, someone gets gunned down in a bank robbery that they could have prevented, but Larry (or whoever) was too busy running around looking for evidence in a 38-year crime where some lady claims the guy was her husband despite all leads so far not backing that up?

That is what I might call a violation of rights adversely affecting someone's life. Not wasting further time on a case that is going nowhere or running around after delusionals.

But I'm no expert in US constitutional law. Perhaps someone can point out to me where Jo's rights are being violated. In the meanwhile I need to duck out of here before i say something i regret.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Note Jerry has been saying this for yrs - about a family member claiming Duane was with them on Thankgiving and his claiming I know Duane was not Cooper. Are you saying I am not entitled to know who this person was and if it this information actually exists? We are talking about when they initially recieved the information about Duane as a suspect in 1996 and 1997. Jimmney Christmas - you got to be kidding.

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Orange, your legal instincts are 100% correct. The FBI owes no duty to Jo to prove Duane's innocence. Duane was never prosecuted for NORJACK. Nobody but Jo believes he was Cooper. If Jo chooses to spend the rest of her life pursuing a flawed theory that the FBI could easily debunk, they still owe no duty to so inform her.

If Duane were being prosecuted for or serving time for a crime he didn't commit and the FBI withheld exculpatory evidence, that would be an entirely different story.

Jo, your quality of life is under your control, not the FBI's. There are probably people that think they are Napoleon Bonaparte. They FBI could prove otherwise. They wisely don't choose to do so. Do you think these self confessed Napoleans have a good civil rights case against the FBI?

The FBI's primary mission is law enforcement, not responding to demands to prove the innocence of persons who were never charged with the crime in question. Don't you see that Jo? Everybody else seems to.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Hey, whatever happened to all the interesting stuff on Nam?

Bruce, any more leads?

yeah, I really miss that stuff. Snow? Bruce?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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We are all having that screen width problem Jo. I hope they fix it soon.

OK, Jerry, what makes you claim Duane was with his family on Thanksgiving 1971?

Jo, you take innocuous things like Duane avoiding his prior family as tending to prove he was Cooper. I think a more probable explanation is just irresponsibility, commonly exhibited by convicts I have worked with. They professed all sorts of love, but weren't real big on providing financial support or meaningful contact.

377

It would help if he fit any aspect of
the physical description. I know no one but me takes that seriously.

I caught most of Nat Geo's program on the genetic
history of the Human Race, several nights ago.
I caught myself wondering where Cooper fits in.
Maybe the Mediterranean thread is true? Duane
flicked in and out of my mind, briefly. Alas ...

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Orange, your legal instincts are 100% correct. The FBI owes no duty to Jo to prove Duane's innocence. Duane was never prosecuted for NORJACK. Nobody but Jo believes he was Cooper. If Jo chooses to spend the rest of her life pursuing a flawed theory that the FBI could easily debunk, they still owe no duty to so inform her.

If Duane were being prosecuted for or serving time for a crime he didn't commit and the FBI withheld exculpatory evidence, that would be an entirely different story.

Jo, your quality of life is under your control, not the FBI's. There are probably people that think they are Napoleon Bonaparte. They FBI could prove otherwise. They wisely don't choose to do so. Do you think these self confessed Napoleans have a good civil rights case against the FBI?

The FBI's primary mission is law enforcement, not responding to demands to prove the innocence of persons who were never charged with the crime in question. Don't you see that Jo? Everybody else seems to.

377

The FBI already eliminated Duane. It's as simple
as that. They perhaps did not do it as emphatically
as they might have. I am rather sure future developments will supply that emphasis by way
of explicating other elements of the old Cooper
case.

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Hey, whatever happened to all the interesting stuff on Nam?

Bruce, any more leads?

yeah, I really miss that stuff. Snow? Bruce?

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There are so many angles that could be
chased but arent. It totally mystifies me! I can only
assume people have their own reasons for not
inquiring into these other venues of the case.
I am still mystified. I guess its just me.

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Note Jerry has been saying this for yrs - about a family member claiming Duane was with them on Thankgiving and his claiming I know Duane was not Cooper. Are you saying I am not entitled to know who this person was and if it this information actually exists? We are talking about when they initially recieved the information about Duane as a suspect in 1996 and 1997. Jimmney Christmas - you got to be kidding.

Jo - we are ALL sick to death of the whining about how everyone needs to accept that Duane was Cooper. As 377 has said at least a dozen times - you claimed to have proof that Duane was Cooper - show the proof and the entire problem of Jerry/FBI and Bigfoot hiding the truth goes away.

You do realise that by choosing to totally ignore the calls to either apologise for your statement and back down or come up with the goods, makes it look like you know you are wrong but won't face it?

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Jo I have searched all record's you Know this . Why? because you got all the Information that you have from me and book's . This is what allows you to make up the storie's that you post and tell other's. The only question left to ask you. Is what new story are you going to come up with. It is very interesting and comical. Not to mention degrading Duane's name and yourself.It is aparent that the only thing you realy care about is notority and attention. Believe me you have accomplished this goal . Problem is it is adverse and not credible in your favor.Jerry

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You didn't answer the question.
Just your usual retorical reply. Someday the truth will be known, not just to me but anyone who else who cares. Again Thanks for calling me a liar for the umpteen time. Not one word is a lie and you KNOW it.

You use prisoner of war tactics on me - I am not a prisoner of war and if you have NOT searched for the article on the boat? You never offered me any proof of what you said about the family member and ditto for the FBI. If the source (this family member) is not identified then it is a rumor.

If I discredit myself by posting those things I do know and at times in the past exploring the possibilities - pro and con other involvements. I try to let people know if I am just exploring a subject - and therefore in recent months have made sure I state that "this is what I thought" or simply stating "I don't know, but I think maybe".

When I tell things about Duane such as the Miami Fl encounter and other things I remember about my life with Duane - they are just that - WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. I have made my life an open book hoping and praying that I find the answers to all of the mysterious things that happened and the things he told me and the places he took me.
He had NO reason to lie to me and he went OUT OF HIS WAY not to lie to me - because he knew how I felt about LIES. He either evaded or made it sound like he was teasing...if it was something that I made a retort on he just CHANGED the subject and I didn't go there. Isn't that what YOU were trained to do.

By the way I am not whining - I put these things out there to find people Duane might have known.
N0 one has to believe he was Cooper - I just know where the research has taken me and the man that I knew - didn't lie on his death bed. If anyone of you choose to believe that the things
I write or say are fiction - that is your choice....Himmelsbach was quoted in the 70's... saying something like - when the truth comes out it will be stranger than fiction. I couldn't lay my hands on the article just now - but, when I read it - I thought to myself - Well I'll be Damned... He knew someday the truth would be told and NO ONE would ever believe it. This was before Duane made his confession to me.

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Jo the only reason they bothered with Duane's DNA Sample was to shut you up .They figured if they did the sample ,That you would not continue to bug them about it and stop your threats and that it would put a end to your claim's. Unfortunatly it didn't work. You came up with more stories and alligation's. You continued to cause problem's. You still Do.Your storie's and imagination has caused nothing, but proof that you can be one of the best fiction writer's in this century. Jerry

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Jo I have tried to prove Duane was Cooper.But to no avail. All I ended up doing was proving he was'nt and never could have been. For instance when you gave me his best friend's phone number that lived in Atlanta Georgia.I talked to him and he said that you tried to convence him to exagerate the truth.And stated that duane was Cooper. Instead He told me that Duane was incapable of being Cooper. That if he had of done something like that it would have killed duane. Further more he told me about the author that you had made a deal with to write a book about Duane being Cooper ,and that you did not have enough information at that time. I think it was a year after Duane's Death give or take a couple month's.You Know the one Its the same person that we talked about a couple of month's ago when Geoger got kicked of the Forum. And I had to call you. I got woke up at 4am. then called you.Can you remember that far back.To you none of this matter's all you care about is being popular and famous.Regardless of the cost.Guess What! You have done that with your famous and continueing stories. Is this how you realy want to be remembered. It's your choice. However there is still one solid point. It has been proven in more ways than one,that Duane was not cooper.So where is the cheese , Wisconsin.You keep trying to point out that I have called you a Liar , Why! Here/s why because you know I was kicked off the forum for calling you a liar and you want it to happen again. This you think will give you gratififaction and a sense of authority, or one more thing you can brag about , Like you have with Larry Carr. I'm sure by now Quade has finally figured out that all any one realy want's to do is help you to move on .Jerry

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How come Georgers posts
are the only ones that
look normal on the
screen. Everyone else
is spread all to Hell.

Attention JERRY
I am calling the friend
and as you know we have
talked and continue to
be friends. He is upset
about your intentions to
make his phone number
public on the internet.
He thought you were FBI.
He and I never discussed
a book - I did have lots of
people contact me and one
of them (a man did a querry
letter that was no where near
the truth and we went our
own separate ways). I did
NOT engage in this again
after that.

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Jo I have asked you repeatly for updated phone number's > Guess what you alway's stated that you don't hear from them.So if you still have contact please give them my phone #.To include all your added friend's you wish to put forward as proof. Bet you that you will not honor my request because it is just another fantasie of your's. Or you will come up with just another excuse.Have fun with this one because you never ever follow through with your alligation's . And why should you .All you want to do is put foward doubt and try to make yourself look creditable.Not going to happen. Now this being said and done .Why don't we get back to help solving this case in stead of blocking it. You can help if you like and do like Geoger Quade Snowmman Orange1 99 Tom K, LarryCarr Ralph,377,Just to mention a few.Please get with the program. No more fantisie storie's please. I realize I do not speake for anyone on this forum or do I believe that they feel the same way I do I'm Just pointing out how I see thing's.(NO ANIMALS WERE HURT

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Geoger, Talk to his kid's. If Jo will allow you too.I"m sure that if Jo will tell you there Pnone #'s they will tell you the same thing I was told years ago . This was also verified by Duane's friend's. There has been a lot of research by law enforcement angencies that has also proven Duane's whereabout's on that Day . Of course Jo will not produce any Information To prove anyone wrong on this point because ,she knows the truth about this and it will purger herself. The worse part is , That it would prove me right. Go Figure This is the main point! Jo Know's That duane was elsewhere. To prove me wrong it will expose her . So she will constantly come up with excuses, and false claim's.Go Figure. Yes this may be the final chaneledge to Jo. However She will not except it. Why? All of you Judge on your own.I personally no the truth. One on One .Please request a pollgraph I will be so happy to pay for it. What about it Jo Let's both take a test. At my expense .Jerry

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I just got off the phone with
the friend in Atlanta and
he did not tell you the
things you claim. He
said it will always be he said,
she said and that you have
your own reasons for the
things you say.

He did tell me that I know
and he knows exactly how
Duane would have reacted
when they gave him the
money.
No one will ever forget
the mischievous little grin
Duane had and we know
Duane would have made
that jump even if the odds
of his survival where small.

That was just how Duane did things.

He said someday
we would see Duane and
the first thing he would say
was
"You devil you really
pulled it off didn't you?"

He thought you were going
to call him and if you kept
your records you know
the number has not changed.

He said nothing he says
or I say will ever change
things. Nothing you ever
say will change anything
either. You have your
own reasons for what you
do and what you say. This
just echoed what I have
said in the past. You are
the one who will answer for
your own actions.

He had guest and I am
cryingso I am hanging up
right now, because all of this
is killing me.

For some reason when I
write about Duane's past relations and the things
he and I did and his
unusual connections to what seemed to me to be
connected to the underworld,
CIA or JMWave these trigger your out-rage toward me.
You will never prove who
Cooper was and you know it,,but, I know who he
really was and you cannot
handle that.

Goodnight to all and I hope
that someday all of you know what I know and have known
for 14 yrs. Duane was Cooper and even if I put him in a
chute, it will not prove to
anyone he was Cooper.
Even the airline ticket would
not prove he was Cooper.

The Hijack of a 727 on
the 24th of November 1971
will forever be UNSOLVED.
On that cold and rainy night
victory was his, Cooper
(Duane Weber) survived to
fight his own demons
and become the man he
REALLY was .

End of Story.

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Geoger Guess what smoked salmon taste great. I talked to Wally he said the smoked salmon he gave me was COHoo. Not Cooper. King's are runing now of the coast . Still had fun . The best part is the Elk Jerky. The Indian's have a special way of smoking it. Im told sea water has a small play in it and the new ingreedent .is Soy sauce and black pepper.Jerry

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Jo I did keep my record's and have tried to call him .I told you this the last time we talked . That is when you told me his number had changed. This was 2 month's ago. So how about it . Have you changed your mind and going to give me his new phone #. or is it going to be like alway's, and you find another excuse. No false number's please I still remember the sound of his voice.So why are you posting something you will not produce. Is this another Ruge or are you afraid of the obvious That contact with him will prove a negative result. Step UP OR Shut UP..Jerry

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Cooper
(Duane Weber) survived

Prove it Jo. Show us the evidence you claim to have. It is a simple request.

Your credibility suffers greatly when you make a big claim, promise to reveal proof and then offer endless excuses why you can't do it.

If you could actually prove Duane was Cooper then Jerry's tactics and confrontations shouldn't matter one bit to you.

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PspsJo Duane CIA ,When, Better yet When was he more than a Insurance salesman or a common criminal.Oh! I forgot that may be a clue as to where he was on thanksgiving of that year.Better yet. For those of you on the forum Duane's where about's on that faitfull day is easily found. All you need is his social security number or The company he was working for at that time . And the 1971 income tax report. And last but not least phone record' for him and his family.I'm not done yet. Trafic fine's and arrest warant's and recorded resedence. to Include the airport closes to his point at that time.This is just a few clue's that you all can use . This will prove that Duane was not anywhere near Portland during this time frame. Further more Jo Know's this and did not expect me to post this Info Now all of you are up to date on Duane's involvement in this case All this is a matter of public record and easy to find I am Shocked no one on the forum has discovered this. I have tried to be nice to Jo and get her to back out Gracefully But she has refussed. If any of you want this info feel free to contact me and I will give it to You . Jo I told you 6 month's ago not to push me and ask you to bow out gracefully.You choose not too. Now you Know why, Doug Pasternick. Has been sillent. Please have him call me again .You Know the one The author that published the article on you in the Magizine . I Talked to him after the article was published. He is Still Imbarrased as a result of that article.Enough said. It's time !Jo I will go public. As has been requested by NBC.CBS,ABC,FOx, HBO. Jo I have there #'s.If you would like. I would love for you to be in a documentary with me Maybe we can do a polygraph together on national TV . Jerry

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1971 Tax Records:
Have that and nothing
of interest.

Employers:
Talk to all - one
of these flew me to
Ft.Lauderdale to talk
to with me and his
attorney.

Residence:
I have those

Accident Reports:
His wife drives her car
into a building near
the airport. I believe
it was the Admiral
Benbow.

The two separated
right after that - so she
said. If either had
been arrested and
in jailed, the FBI
would have told
me he was in jail.

Doug Pasternak and I
communicated recently,
If he knew anything
detrimental to me
he would have spoke
up. In fact, I will call
him tomorrow and find
out if there is any truth
to what you are saying.

I think you are blowing
SMOKE. He is a kind
and compassionate man
and would never have
hidden anything from
me. He would never
have allowed me to
suffer - he would have
told me I was duped
or that he had info
that proved Duane
was not Cooper.

If the FBI had this
info - they would have
revealed this pronto.

Why would they waste
tax dollars on DNA if
they had info that
was conclusive Duane
could not have done
the crime?

If you could discredit
me with this info, you
would have done it
long ago. As for Duane's
criminal record - as you
know all I have is what
Doug obtained - and
the FBI never provided
me with anything.

You already know
that a polygraph is
not valid after this
period of time and
that I offered to
do one from get
go.

By the way - Duane
only had stepchildren
living with him
during that time.
This has been discussed
on several occassions.
One is decease and the
other was only 10.

If you have information
I should or you think I
am aware of then any
reasonable person would
have shared that by now.
Why throw all the other
things out you have if
you had something so
simple as what you have
stated in you post.

Wouldn't Agent Carr have
also have posted his any
record he might have had
to dispell me?

You are not making
any sense at all to
me right now - I think
you stepped over a cliff.

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Cooper
(Duane Weber) survived

Prove it Jo. Show us the evidence you claim to have. It is a simple request.

Your credibility suffers greatly when you make a big claim, promise to reveal proof and then offer endless excuses why you can't do it.

If you could actually prove Duane was Cooper then Jerry's tactics and confrontations shouldn't matter one bit to you.

377

Face it if the FBI has what
Jerry is claiming - this would
have been over yrs ago.
Now who sounds crazy.
As for Proof - we are working
on something, but as I have
said - even the ticket will not
prove who Cooper was. We
are waiting verification...

By the way - I got a nice
email from Galen Cook.
Geoffry Gray is very busy
with his book also. Looks
like a race - first one to
publish sells more books.
No I am not doing a book.
No I am not a writer.
There are some other
writers hiding out with
their stuff also.

When I went public in 2000
the heads started to roll and
then suddenly there were
all of these other Coopers,
Don't you know the FBI
was wishing it would go
away? Don't you expect
if they had something as
simple as what Jerry was
claiming that they could
have use it to shut me
up.

Geeze I was going to not
post and here I am...I
was just going to ride off
into the sunset with my
head hanging down.

Now tell me something?
Who is blowing their own
credibility here? I can
only apply logic to the
things he has allegated.
Doesn't he know I would
love seeing proof Duane
was not Cooper?

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