snowmman 3
QuoteQuoteGeorger - won't you join 377, JT and I in our "don't respond to Jo" phase - it really makes life much more pleasant. Much easier if you don't read what is in her posts either
I can do that, easily.. already had been until the
latest. Regards -
I did not post for a few days until Jerry and Shelly made a post with the same rhetoric they maintained since joining this thread - regarding "anything" I posted. The post she made was the ONLY reason I reacted. I have been asked to keep VERY private the status of what is being done in our research.
WE are out there actually doing something to bring an end to this. It MAY not be the answers I want, but it will be documented and true to the best of our knowledge. We are NOT spending our time and resources to counter rhetoric "banter". I make every attempt to respect the other posters because being here is a privilege.
DZ has provide this thread to those who are serious about Cooper - and there have been complaints about it being in History and Trivia because some postings are not subject appropriate. This is why I have chose to make sure my information is related to the investigation of D.B. Cooper. With the except of the "Witch" thing I did to lighten - up the tone the thread was taking.
Since I have guys working on both sides of the US today I really need to get off line. Remember being in History and trivia is a privilege - I for one will NOT abuse that honor.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
snowmman 3
377 said:
"As much as I love the old radial engined beasts like the 123, I think we need one of these babies, a modified Herc with surplus ASROC anti sub rocket motors used for vectored thrust. The Slovenians can get us all the solid fueled rocket motors we might need, right? "
One problem on the rocket motors.
I've been reading up on the US legal code and the definition of WMD. Evidently "destructive devices" are included under WMD.
And "destructive devices" includes rockets of a certain size...actually not very big. I'm starting to think "WMD" is more a political thing..i.e. it's used against guys of questionable nationality..you know, not born in the USA? (You can buy our Tang..just don't show up at the front door)
So, I just thought it would be fair to warn applicants: "There will be WMD"...it's just a legal thing. I mean we all have WMDs, so it's not like this should be a surprise to anyone.
commentary from
http://zombietango.com/blog/2009/04/us-legal-definition-of-wmd/
18 U.S.C. 2332a
* (2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
o (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
o (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
o (C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or
o (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life;
8 U.S.C. 921
(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
Here's a guy who got nailed for his rocket. I believe he was the 205th disciple of Zazi, and the government and press have covered this up. Likely because he's another white guy.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/8th/073631p.pdf
"On June 19, 2005, law enforcement officers executed a search warrant at Teeter's residence2 in Nixa, Missouri, and recovered eight firearms, ammunition, Trench-Rite explosive, dynamite, an MK66 model 1 rocket with an inert warhead, and literature on the manufacture of improvised explosive devices. Teeter admitted that he regularly used marijuana and acknowledged that the firearms, ammunition, explosives, and MK66 belonged to him. He also told police that he believed the MK66 was a harmless novelty item."
MK66 stuff shown here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_70
I want those!
"As much as I love the old radial engined beasts like the 123, I think we need one of these babies, a modified Herc with surplus ASROC anti sub rocket motors used for vectored thrust. The Slovenians can get us all the solid fueled rocket motors we might need, right? "
One problem on the rocket motors.
I've been reading up on the US legal code and the definition of WMD. Evidently "destructive devices" are included under WMD.
And "destructive devices" includes rockets of a certain size...actually not very big. I'm starting to think "WMD" is more a political thing..i.e. it's used against guys of questionable nationality..you know, not born in the USA? (You can buy our Tang..just don't show up at the front door)
So, I just thought it would be fair to warn applicants: "There will be WMD"...it's just a legal thing. I mean we all have WMDs, so it's not like this should be a surprise to anyone.
commentary from
http://zombietango.com/blog/2009/04/us-legal-definition-of-wmd/
18 U.S.C. 2332a
* (2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
o (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
o (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
o (C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or
o (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life;
8 U.S.C. 921
(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
Here's a guy who got nailed for his rocket. I believe he was the 205th disciple of Zazi, and the government and press have covered this up. Likely because he's another white guy.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/8th/073631p.pdf
"On June 19, 2005, law enforcement officers executed a search warrant at Teeter's residence2 in Nixa, Missouri, and recovered eight firearms, ammunition, Trench-Rite explosive, dynamite, an MK66 model 1 rocket with an inert warhead, and literature on the manufacture of improvised explosive devices. Teeter admitted that he regularly used marijuana and acknowledged that the firearms, ammunition, explosives, and MK66 belonged to him. He also told police that he believed the MK66 was a harmless novelty item."
MK66 stuff shown here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_70
I want those!
Farflung 0
Snowman,
Can I fly a C-123? If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
What do I have? You got me. Exposed for the fraud I truly know I am, there is no reason to continue the charade. I was hoping through the use of a gargantuan sense of self importance and bluster to amaze and amuse untolled legions to bow at the alter of Farflung. Guessing Snowman isn't going to consider passing, let alone contributing to the offering basket.
Analysis shining a light someplace new? How will I ever find out? The most simple of query must be passed through the Bureau of 'I Have Special Inside Information and a Massive Knob and You Don't', east coast division, before receiving another reference to the senders unappreciated greatness. Then a glancing jab is inserted as a test balloon measuring the receivers tolerance to data delivered by anonymous typists with a consuming self loathing; which will only be quenched by a contract that makes Faust look like he made the deal of the century. So in that sense, your right; I will not shine a light someplace new. I would add, after reading some of the past posts, that I probably don't want to see anything new for fear of turning into a column of sodium chloride.
A descent into attack mode. The descent part is absolute and pure. Attack? You may need to review the definition of the antonym and try one more time without the personal bias inserted so deeply in a dark recess.
Quickly? Darn right! This again is more reflective of tolerance than a burning desire to roll in the mud while wearing my mothers wedding dress. Some people need a complete experience akin to what Ned Beatty 'enjoyed' at the beginning of a canoe trip before they 'resist'. Age has given me caution with the ability to spot a dervish of ego at a much greater distance. Why on earth would one ignore these experience based attributes and end up in the woods, squealing at the top of their lungs.....again?
Can I fly a C-123? If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
What do I have? You got me. Exposed for the fraud I truly know I am, there is no reason to continue the charade. I was hoping through the use of a gargantuan sense of self importance and bluster to amaze and amuse untolled legions to bow at the alter of Farflung. Guessing Snowman isn't going to consider passing, let alone contributing to the offering basket.
Analysis shining a light someplace new? How will I ever find out? The most simple of query must be passed through the Bureau of 'I Have Special Inside Information and a Massive Knob and You Don't', east coast division, before receiving another reference to the senders unappreciated greatness. Then a glancing jab is inserted as a test balloon measuring the receivers tolerance to data delivered by anonymous typists with a consuming self loathing; which will only be quenched by a contract that makes Faust look like he made the deal of the century. So in that sense, your right; I will not shine a light someplace new. I would add, after reading some of the past posts, that I probably don't want to see anything new for fear of turning into a column of sodium chloride.
A descent into attack mode. The descent part is absolute and pure. Attack? You may need to review the definition of the antonym and try one more time without the personal bias inserted so deeply in a dark recess.
Quickly? Darn right! This again is more reflective of tolerance than a burning desire to roll in the mud while wearing my mothers wedding dress. Some people need a complete experience akin to what Ned Beatty 'enjoyed' at the beginning of a canoe trip before they 'resist'. Age has given me caution with the ability to spot a dervish of ego at a much greater distance. Why on earth would one ignore these experience based attributes and end up in the woods, squealing at the top of their lungs.....again?
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Sounds like a friggin 50 cent medium sized Chinese bottle rocket is a WMD.
Most kids are terrorists I guess, their freedom (at least for the white kids) is only due to prosecutorial discretion.
If I hang a cherry bomb from my RC plane and get caught, will the FBI call a press conference and describe it as a homemade cruise missile? Maybe it would be more likely if I let an Arab kid get caught with it.
When I was a kid I played around with all sorts of flammables and small quantities of gunpowder siphoned off from a friend's dad's vast ammo reloading supplies.
No harm was done and we all learned a lot of science from our "experiments." We all thought gunpowder would explode violently if you just lit it. It does not. It just burns like a sparkler. It must be contained to really exert explosive force.
Kids can't do DANGER anymore. I can see the logical and caring arguments for it, but you really lose something trying to make childhood 100% safe.
I also made parachutes from bedsheets and made running jumps off our garage roof. I salvaged a huge neon sign tranformer from a demolished market and put on backyard "lightning shows" at night. We placed big nails and spikes on the RR tracks and fashioned knives out of the flattened metal. Nowdays child Protective Services would be called, my parents arrested and I might be put in a foster home.
Glad I grew up then rather than now, even though I missed out on the great computer gaming stuff. The hands on stuff was just better.
I sometimes wonder if Cooper acually jumped waaaaay after the bump and everyone is looking in the wrong place. The money find says NO, but I still wonder.
Been making a few HAHO jumps lately. They are really fun, great views, fairly quiet too (I leave my brakes set until 3000 ft and riser steer). As I drift down from 14,000 feet I wonder wonder what it was like for Cooper assuming he got his chute out. Even in great weather, on the sunset loads with diminshed ground light, it is hard to understand unfamiliar stuff seen below. Is that a road or a water canal (there are canals near our DZ). Is that a field or a pond? Cooper probably had no idea what he was descending into on that stormy Winter night. Very scary indeed. Maybe less so if you were Braden and were comparing it to SOG jumps.
377
Most kids are terrorists I guess, their freedom (at least for the white kids) is only due to prosecutorial discretion.
If I hang a cherry bomb from my RC plane and get caught, will the FBI call a press conference and describe it as a homemade cruise missile? Maybe it would be more likely if I let an Arab kid get caught with it.
When I was a kid I played around with all sorts of flammables and small quantities of gunpowder siphoned off from a friend's dad's vast ammo reloading supplies.
No harm was done and we all learned a lot of science from our "experiments." We all thought gunpowder would explode violently if you just lit it. It does not. It just burns like a sparkler. It must be contained to really exert explosive force.
Kids can't do DANGER anymore. I can see the logical and caring arguments for it, but you really lose something trying to make childhood 100% safe.
I also made parachutes from bedsheets and made running jumps off our garage roof. I salvaged a huge neon sign tranformer from a demolished market and put on backyard "lightning shows" at night. We placed big nails and spikes on the RR tracks and fashioned knives out of the flattened metal. Nowdays child Protective Services would be called, my parents arrested and I might be put in a foster home.
Glad I grew up then rather than now, even though I missed out on the great computer gaming stuff. The hands on stuff was just better.
I sometimes wonder if Cooper acually jumped waaaaay after the bump and everyone is looking in the wrong place. The money find says NO, but I still wonder.
Been making a few HAHO jumps lately. They are really fun, great views, fairly quiet too (I leave my brakes set until 3000 ft and riser steer). As I drift down from 14,000 feet I wonder wonder what it was like for Cooper assuming he got his chute out. Even in great weather, on the sunset loads with diminshed ground light, it is hard to understand unfamiliar stuff seen below. Is that a road or a water canal (there are canals near our DZ). Is that a field or a pond? Cooper probably had no idea what he was descending into on that stormy Winter night. Very scary indeed. Maybe less so if you were Braden and were comparing it to SOG jumps.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteCan I fly a C-123? If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
OK, I know a place in Tucson AZ where we can get a cheap surplus Boeing C 97 that just needs a little TLC.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
georger 244
QuoteSnowman,
Can I fly a C-123? If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
What do I have? You got me. Exposed for the fraud I truly know I am, there is no reason to continue the charade. I was hoping through the use of a gargantuan sense of self importance and bluster to amaze and amuse untolled legions to bow at the alter of Farflung. Guessing Snowman isn't going to consider passing, let alone contributing to the offering basket.
Analysis shining a light someplace new? How will I ever find out? The most simple of query must be passed through the Bureau of 'I Have Special Inside Information and a Massive Knob and You Don't', east coast division, before receiving another reference to the senders unappreciated greatness. Then a glancing jab is inserted as a test balloon measuring the receivers tolerance to data delivered by anonymous typists with a consuming self loathing; which will only be quenched by a contract that makes Faust look like he made the deal of the century. So in that sense, your right; I will not shine a light someplace new. I would add, after reading some of the past posts, that I probably don't want to see anything new for fear of turning into a column of sodium chloride.
A descent into attack mode. The descent part is absolute and pure. Attack? You may need to review the definition of the antonym and try one more time without the personal bias inserted so deeply in a dark recess.
Quickly? Darn right! This again is more reflective of tolerance than a burning desire to roll in the mud while wearing my mothers wedding dress. Some people need a complete experience akin to what Ned Beatty 'enjoyed' at the beginning of a canoe trip before they 'resist'. Age has given me caution with the ability to spot a dervish of ego at a much greater distance. Why on earth would one ignore these experience based attributes and end up in the woods, squealing at the top of their lungs.....again?
... and you commented about other people's
literacy!? I make this observation before Snow
does - he's always distracted and slow.
... I think you are the other idiot in Jo's "we".
... and you are correct. It does not matter what
I think. Nor does it matter what you think. Snow
will prove that to you quickly.
Break a leg. Let the show begin.
Orange1 0
QuoteKids can't do DANGER anymore. I can see the logical and caring arguments for it, but you really lose something trying to make childhood 100% safe.
Protecting kids from everything doesn't prepare them for adulthood. I saw something the other day that I think sums it up:
Your job as a parent is to let your children burn themselves, but prevent them from getting third-degree burns.
And parents' perceptions of danger are relative. Skydiving is the classic example of that
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
377 22
QuoteI make this observation before Snow
does - he's always distracted and slow.
The data is subject to alternative explanations:
drugged and tranquil
employed and busy
disdainful and aloof
...etc.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
377 22
Quoteany combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
Good grief. We are all terrorist felons if you read that literally.
My kid once made a pretty impressive potato cannon from various PVC pipe components, a BBQ piezo electric spark clicker, and a can of aerosol ether starter fluid. I guess I am lucky he isnt doing time. Hmm... maybe not. It would have saved me a lot of college money.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
Quote
Analysis shining a light someplace new? How will I ever find out? The most simple of query must be passed through the Bureau of 'I Have Special Inside Information and a Massive Knob and You Don't', east coast division, before receiving another reference to the senders unappreciated greatness. Then a glancing jab is inserted as a test balloon measuring the receivers tolerance to data delivered by anonymous typists with a consuming self loathing; which will only be quenched by a contract that makes Faust look like he made the deal of the century. So in that sense, your right; I will not shine a light someplace new. I would add, after reading some of the past posts, that I probably don't want to see anything new for fear of turning into a column of sodium chloride.
heh! Exactly right.
But you'll stay.
Because we attract the best women.
Go check out the other threads on DZ.com. You'll see.
You know I was shocked at georger's use of the phrase "blow job"...we've explored his issues with stewardess fantasies before. I'm surprised it's all finally coming out. Healthy!
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You guys kill me. I was literally laughing out loud.
Speaking of women, how is your bucket list mission plan coming along Snow. We cant fly you around in a C 123K. There are many foreign airports that no longer tank avgas, just jet fuel. The 123K has jets, but they are just helpers, not prime movers.
Did we ever get confirmation about a field of bill fragments at Tena Bar? If so, how were the fragments positioned, throughout a vertical layer of soil/sand or on the surface? Along a high water mark?
377
Speaking of women, how is your bucket list mission plan coming along Snow. We cant fly you around in a C 123K. There are many foreign airports that no longer tank avgas, just jet fuel. The 123K has jets, but they are just helpers, not prime movers.
Did we ever get confirmation about a field of bill fragments at Tena Bar? If so, how were the fragments positioned, throughout a vertical layer of soil/sand or on the surface? Along a high water mark?
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
1969912 0
QuoteSo here is an interesting fact - one of the directors of Macgyver was called John Rich. So now we have a name that can be connected with homemade bombs, amazing navigation skills, skydiving and dz.com (if Macgyver was cooper he would have landed in the pea's)
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
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... I think you are the other idiot in Jo's "we".
Georger I have NO idea who FarFlung - is and why would you care anyway?
Why did my posting about the things I am working on incite you so much? Why do my posts about my theories or what I think even brother you?
I didn't get upset when others proposed their subjects - sometimes I even got caught up in their stories about the subjects - such as Waugh and Braden. When I post anything about Weber, who was and still is a suspect - another poster and yourself go bananas.....
I have noticed this since day one, but it has also been noticed by others who come to the thread, just to research Cooper. When University researchers are reading this thread - I would say the activity of the posters and the context of what is said and the re-active banter are carefully being analyzed. If you think such people are not visiting the thread - think again, because did not you also come to this thread in search of information and curiosity?
The FBI could care less about what goes on here. If the thread could say focused - we will know who Cooper was and how he thought and maybe even the motive for his actions. Even the conversations on the route - and the in-put have collectively determined the route and possible LZ for Cooper. Because of this thread there is more information available on the details of the jump and the route than ever before - but, the researchers have to wade thru all of OUR muck to find them.
Note Georger, I said ALL OUR MUCK and that includes myself. Never before has this subject been discussed in an arena of individuals who have the actual collective knowledge necessary to solve the Skyjacking of 1971.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Why did this post I made upset Georger, not just upset, but incite? He was combative! Does this post create the same feelings in other posters?
Remember the truth will be so ridiculous No One will believe it.
Himmelsbach has been quoted some place as saying something very similar to that.
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Theory, Fiction or Truth
Almost immediately after the Highjacking the FBI was in California chasing some leads.
The FBI's rule of confidentiality meant the names of these suspects were never revealed and they will not reveal them to this day. Obviously they were checked out and ruled out. They either had an alibi or they were deceased.
Think about deceased - a dead man could not be Cooper...end of investigation. Are any of you aware that during the war effort lots of the guys had families and did not want to ship out - and became a CPS. Some of these CPS's would later fulfill their obilgations.
In rare incidences - a young service man would not ship over with his unit - claiming illness or a death in the family. This meant he would not be going over with the unit he trained with. This manuever was done in even more rare incidents to allow a "swap". There did exist individuals eager to go to war, but who did not pass mustard. Individuals like Weber who had spent 1 yr plus in the Navy and then some how managed to get into the Army for a brief 3 months. Eager and trained, but not disciplined - one who had become an embarrassment to his family and ended up in a prison.
Senario - wayward young man with military training and an embarrassment to his family arranges with a CPS to take his place overseas and the swap is made on the hardship leave. Wayward young man goes to war and the CPS goes into hiding. Later the wayward young man comes home from Belgium and they swap again. Wayward young man ends up immediately in jail again, but the CPS goes on with his life.
Yrs later the wayward young man uses what he learned to commit a major crime during a trying time in his life......
When the composites go out - calls go into the FBI saying they served with this man and give them a name. The FBI is on the hunt, but turns out the individual is deceased, has an alibi or doesn't meet the description of Cooper. FBI goes back to WA empty handed. End of story.
Or is it only the beginning? A few yrs ago a man made a confession on TV that he had done a swap such as laid out above. He was ill and wanted to clear his conscience, but never named the man who went over for him.
There were swaps among cousins, brothers and friends - some for money and some for love of family and country.
Mostly fiction, but the truths are there within.
Composed and written by
Jo Weber September 25 2009
In Memory of those Unknown Warriors who will never be recognized.
Remember the truth will be so ridiculous No One will believe it.
Himmelsbach has been quoted some place as saying something very similar to that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Theory, Fiction or Truth
Almost immediately after the Highjacking the FBI was in California chasing some leads.
The FBI's rule of confidentiality meant the names of these suspects were never revealed and they will not reveal them to this day. Obviously they were checked out and ruled out. They either had an alibi or they were deceased.
Think about deceased - a dead man could not be Cooper...end of investigation. Are any of you aware that during the war effort lots of the guys had families and did not want to ship out - and became a CPS. Some of these CPS's would later fulfill their obilgations.
In rare incidences - a young service man would not ship over with his unit - claiming illness or a death in the family. This meant he would not be going over with the unit he trained with. This manuever was done in even more rare incidents to allow a "swap". There did exist individuals eager to go to war, but who did not pass mustard. Individuals like Weber who had spent 1 yr plus in the Navy and then some how managed to get into the Army for a brief 3 months. Eager and trained, but not disciplined - one who had become an embarrassment to his family and ended up in a prison.
Senario - wayward young man with military training and an embarrassment to his family arranges with a CPS to take his place overseas and the swap is made on the hardship leave. Wayward young man goes to war and the CPS goes into hiding. Later the wayward young man comes home from Belgium and they swap again. Wayward young man ends up immediately in jail again, but the CPS goes on with his life.
Yrs later the wayward young man uses what he learned to commit a major crime during a trying time in his life......
When the composites go out - calls go into the FBI saying they served with this man and give them a name. The FBI is on the hunt, but turns out the individual is deceased, has an alibi or doesn't meet the description of Cooper. FBI goes back to WA empty handed. End of story.
Or is it only the beginning? A few yrs ago a man made a confession on TV that he had done a swap such as laid out above. He was ill and wanted to clear his conscience, but never named the man who went over for him.
There were swaps among cousins, brothers and friends - some for money and some for love of family and country.
Mostly fiction, but the truths are there within.
Composed and written by
Jo Weber September 25 2009
In Memory of those Unknown Warriors who will never be recognized.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
snowmman 3
Jo worried "the researchers have to wade thru all of OUR muck to find them"
I don't see the issue with that.
Don't you remember how much stuff Ckret claimed the FBI had, and the problems with wading thru that.
We could easily summarize information, but there is no consensus, no confidence on sources, etc. There isn't even consensus on what's worth documenting.
Remember the long dissertations that Sluggo would give on what he considered "data" and what he considered worth reading. Remember how he even worried about being "tainted" by reading something with bad data in it.
Me, there is just one important thing. How many words can you write, supposedly related to one subject, without repeating yourself. Is it possible to talk about something new every day?
Think of this like writing the script for "Friends" or "Seinfeld".
Can you really talk about nothing, while everyone involved thinks they're talking about something?
Can you talk about talking about and not shut down the talking about?
Actually it's like writing the script for "Enemies".
Hey, that will be my pitch.
I don't see the issue with that.
Don't you remember how much stuff Ckret claimed the FBI had, and the problems with wading thru that.
We could easily summarize information, but there is no consensus, no confidence on sources, etc. There isn't even consensus on what's worth documenting.
Remember the long dissertations that Sluggo would give on what he considered "data" and what he considered worth reading. Remember how he even worried about being "tainted" by reading something with bad data in it.
Me, there is just one important thing. How many words can you write, supposedly related to one subject, without repeating yourself. Is it possible to talk about something new every day?
Think of this like writing the script for "Friends" or "Seinfeld".
Can you really talk about nothing, while everyone involved thinks they're talking about something?
Can you talk about talking about and not shut down the talking about?
Actually it's like writing the script for "Enemies".
Hey, that will be my pitch.
QuoteJo worried "the researchers have to wade thru all of OUR muck to find them"
Ok. Here is some more muck for them to wade thru
Don't remember where I got the information below - Old Age and technology don't mix!
Seattle-Tacoma Airport was constructed by the Port of Seattle in 1944 to serve civilians of the region, after the U.S. military took control of Boeing Field for use in World War II. The Port received $1 million from the Civil Aeronautics Administration to build the airport, and $100,000 from the City of Tacoma. Commercial use of the airport began after the war ended, with the first scheduled flights occurring in 1947. Two years later, the word International was added to the airport's name as Northwest Airlines
Remember one of the old books I have was published for
A.W.A.R.E.
Air Base Constructors.
This information may be useless, but to me it makes Connections between - Boeing, Tacoma and Northwest and Cooper. Wonder if Civil Aeronautics has a record of the sub-contractors and if any employee lists are still available.
Not likely after all the government doesn't keep records.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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QuoteQuoteJo worried "the researchers have to wade thru all of OUR muck to find them"
Ok. Here is some more muck for them to wade thru
Don't remember where I got the information below - Old Age and technology don't mix!
Seattle-Tacoma Airport was constructed by the Port of Seattle in 1944 to serve civilians of the region, after the U.S. military took control of Boeing Field for use in World War II. The Port received $1 million from the Civil Aeronautics Administration to build the airport, and $100,000 from the City of Tacoma. Commercial use of the airport began after the war ended, with the first scheduled flights occurring in 1947. Two years later, the word International was added to the airport's name as Northwest Airlines
Remember one of the old books I have was published for
A.W.A.R.E.
Air Base Constructors.
This information may be useless, but to me it makes Connections between - Boeing, Tacoma and Northwest and Cooper. Wonder if Civil Aeronautics has a record of the sub-contractors and if any employee lists are still available.
Not likely after all the government doesn't keep records.
You got the info from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle-Tacoma_International_Airport
Two years later, the word International was added to the airport's name as Northwest Airlines began direct service to Tokyo. The runway was lengthened twice, first in 1959 to allow use by jets, and again in 1961 to handle increased traffic for the upcoming Century 21 World's Fair. The current terminal complex was built in 1959. In 1966, SAS inaugurated the airport's first non-stop route to Europe. The Port embarked on a major expansion plan from 1967 to 1973, adding a second runway, a parking garage, two satellite terminals, and other improvements to the airport.
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this case that's happening at Newburgh, NY (Stewart airport)
feds were selling them fake "stinger" missiles and fake c4.
weird informant stuff
it's like the '70s.
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090605/NEWS/90605036
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090524/NEWS/905240321
series of related articles at that link (sidebar)
"What’s more, he said, prosecutors have photos of the alleged plotters retrieving their weapons, which included military-grade C-4 and a Stinger missile, from a self-storage unit in New Windsor.
The weapons were bogus, supplied to the accused plotters by an FBI informant."
[another article]
"Arnold Bogis, a research fellow at the Belfer Center at Harvard University, said informants are justified as long as their role is not simply to foment the "musings of angry, disaffected people."
An imam at a Newburgh mosque has accused the confidential informant of "prompting, prompting, prompting" the four alleged plotters into the attacks with his talk of jihad and fighting.
Lawyers concede actions by the FBI don't meet the legal burden of entrapment, but say they blur ethical lines by overtly encouraging their targets to participate in plots hatched by the informants.
"As soon as you introduce an aggressive informant into the situation you don't have the ability to understand what the defendants' intent was going to be," said New Jersey lawyer Michael Huff, who defended one of five men sentenced in April for plotting to attack Fort Dix.
There was another case that just happened, again with fake stuff from the FBI.
The Dallas case is similar: FBI sets up fake cell, then convince a 19 year old to go bomb some tower with fake stuff.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092409dnmetbombarrest.1b177db8b.html
"Smadi was arrested in an FBI sting Thursday. Authorities said the Jordanian, who claimed to be a supporter of al-Qaeda, parked an SUV packed with what he thought were explosives outside Fountain Place, a 60-story office tower at Ross Avenue and Field Street.
When Smadi dialed a cellphone that he thought would detonate the "truck bomb," authorities said, he was arrested by undercover FBI agents who had been posing as fellow anti-American terrorists. "
feds were selling them fake "stinger" missiles and fake c4.
weird informant stuff
it's like the '70s.
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090605/NEWS/90605036
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090524/NEWS/905240321
series of related articles at that link (sidebar)
"What’s more, he said, prosecutors have photos of the alleged plotters retrieving their weapons, which included military-grade C-4 and a Stinger missile, from a self-storage unit in New Windsor.
The weapons were bogus, supplied to the accused plotters by an FBI informant."
[another article]
"Arnold Bogis, a research fellow at the Belfer Center at Harvard University, said informants are justified as long as their role is not simply to foment the "musings of angry, disaffected people."
An imam at a Newburgh mosque has accused the confidential informant of "prompting, prompting, prompting" the four alleged plotters into the attacks with his talk of jihad and fighting.
Lawyers concede actions by the FBI don't meet the legal burden of entrapment, but say they blur ethical lines by overtly encouraging their targets to participate in plots hatched by the informants.
"As soon as you introduce an aggressive informant into the situation you don't have the ability to understand what the defendants' intent was going to be," said New Jersey lawyer Michael Huff, who defended one of five men sentenced in April for plotting to attack Fort Dix.
There was another case that just happened, again with fake stuff from the FBI.
The Dallas case is similar: FBI sets up fake cell, then convince a 19 year old to go bomb some tower with fake stuff.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092409dnmetbombarrest.1b177db8b.html
"Smadi was arrested in an FBI sting Thursday. Authorities said the Jordanian, who claimed to be a supporter of al-Qaeda, parked an SUV packed with what he thought were explosives outside Fountain Place, a 60-story office tower at Ross Avenue and Field Street.
When Smadi dialed a cellphone that he thought would detonate the "truck bomb," authorities said, he was arrested by undercover FBI agents who had been posing as fellow anti-American terrorists. "
[Did we ever get confirmation about a field of bill fragments at Tena Bar? If so, how were the fragments positioned, throughout a vertical layer of soil/sand or on the surface? Along a high water mark?
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Last Monday, Al Fazio walked me through the money find, or tried to. He had a lot of memory gaps about which day what happened, but here is what I walked away with:
Ingrams found the money on a Sunday afternoon. Al says they tried to pass some of it a bank on Monday. Couldn't do it, apparantly, and got directed to the FBI who got out to the beach late Monday.
Al and his family were in the dark on the find, and Al first learned about the money when he was driving a load of cattle back from a sale in Oregon and the Feds had his driveway blocked out and wouldn't let him in.
Once he cleared that up, he headed to the beach and saw lots of shards scattered along the high-tide line. Al says the bundle of bills was found just below the high-tide line, and Al is passionate when he says, "They washed in. They were buried there by the tide."
The next day Tuesday, the feds asked Al and Richard to get their backhoes out and start digging. Al is adamant that no pieces of Cooper money were found beneath the surface of Tina's Beach.
Feds were out there for a few days, and then the media came in, and that lasted for a few days.
The Fazios seem to have every book written on DB Cooper and access them freely and readily.
I saw no evidence of stroke on the part of Richard, as Jerry alluded to a few days ago. He's smart and conversant.
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As far as I can tell, there were no black bills when the money was found.
Originally, the Fazio tale talked about "black shards"
I notice "black" isn't in Bruce's report.
Do we all agree, from the limited photos we have, and the report of unknown provenance from georger, that the bills were not black when found?
Remember my long discourse on how many, and which bills were black, and when.
I've never heard money described as a shard.
What exactly does shards of money look like? Is it curled up? Rotted in a sandy ball? Dry and flakey?
Porcelain like?
(edit) Did Fazio personally recover any shard? How did he know they weren't shards of something else? Could he see green/white? But Ingram didn't recognize bills till he cleared the junk from them? How did Fazio recognize bill shards?
Originally, the Fazio tale talked about "black shards"
I notice "black" isn't in Bruce's report.
Do we all agree, from the limited photos we have, and the report of unknown provenance from georger, that the bills were not black when found?
Remember my long discourse on how many, and which bills were black, and when.
I've never heard money described as a shard.
What exactly does shards of money look like? Is it curled up? Rotted in a sandy ball? Dry and flakey?
Porcelain like?
(edit) Did Fazio personally recover any shard? How did he know they weren't shards of something else? Could he see green/white? But Ingram didn't recognize bills till he cleared the junk from them? How did Fazio recognize bill shards?
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If the FBI can't find real terrorists then what's wrong with manufacturing some? Ya got a problem with that Snow?
I mean those guys might have become real terrorists on their own. Who can prove otherwise? What's wrong with giving them a little push?
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I mean those guys might have become real terrorists on their own. Who can prove otherwise? What's wrong with giving them a little push?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
You would be wrong in any event -
What if I reply? Am I wrong or right?