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OFFENSE: Count One: Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2) - Making a False Statement in a Matter Involving International and Domestic Terrorism



So if Ckret asks me if Snow has made any derogatory statements about the Bureau's handling of the Cooper investigation and I say no, I can be indicted?

Man. I hope Jo was right and they do have prisoner smokejumpers. If I cut the S/L and use my reserve I bet I can get a few seconds of freefall while doing time at Club Fed.

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OFFENSE: Count One: Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2) - Making a False Statement in a Matter Involving International and Domestic Terrorism



So if Ckret asks me if Snow has made any derogatory statements about the Bureau's handling of the Cooper investigation and I say no, I can be indicted?

Man. I hope Jo was right and they do have prisoner smokejumpers. If I cut the S/L and use my reserve I bet I can get a few seconds of freefall while doing time at Club Fed.

377


Wow that is amazing and shows the problem with prosecuting "thought crimes". The number of tongue in cheek comments that are made online (or simply people "acting big" that could end up having you prosecuted as a terroristB| I am extremely glad that I am not of arabic descent nor islamic as that probably reduces the tolerance level somewhat.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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OFFENSE: Count One: Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2) - Making a False Statement in a Matter Involving International and Domestic Terrorism



So if Ckret asks me if Snow has made any derogatory statements about the Bureau's handling of the Cooper investigation and I say no, I can be indicted?

377



So are you admitting you spoke to anyone about whether Snowmman was in trouble, or denying that you spoke to anyone about whether Snowmman was in trouble, or are you refusing to cooperate with the investigation into whether anyone spoke to anyone about whether Snowmman was in trouble?

Hmm. Your reticence in this matter is troubling.

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Reticence in connection with a terrorism investigation will soon be a crime.

Doubting the competence of any agency involved in the investigation of terrorism will soon be a crime.

We have to patch these loopholes. Can't have any terror symps getting off on technicalities can we?

Oh, and contemplation, preparation or any activities, passive or active, that are likely to precede the purchase of excessive or unusual amounts of hair care products which are capable of being components of explosive devices needs to be a felony.

It's no coincidence that the beauty industry is populated by foreigners. We need to act quickly before they cache the stuff.

Beauty salon, terrorist cell, the distinction is only a matter of interpretation.

Snowmman Industries has bid on the extraordinary rendition contracts for the CIA. Snow is buying up time expired Cypres AADs dirt cheap along with old round canopies and worn out rigs. By eliminating the need for landing the aircraft to deliver the prisoners for Eastern Euro torture, profits will soar. He can land in Snow friendly Slovenia which has arranged to deliver "liberated" Soviet JP 4 fuel and Siberian diamonds in trade for big screen TVs, ring laser gyros and several kilos of tritium scavanged from self illuminating exit signs.

The CIA really likes the air delivery idea. No pesky airport plane spotters to take pictures of hooded guys deplaning.

Bruce, we want a FULL report on the Cooper fest. Hey, if Ckret can be covertly videoed putting the moves on a local "badge bunny" maybe we can convince him to come back to the forum. ;) The recording gear is already installed by SI.

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I was reading about the guy who just blew his hand(s) off.
He had lots of TATP..(they say "large amount").
Also had neo-nazi literature.
Goes to my point of LOTS of people blowing up stuff around the US...
.
But they're taking pains to say he's not a terrorist.
'The FBI says "there is no threat to public safety."'
How can they be sure? I mean, they didn't know before he blew his hands off, did they? How can they know now?

So I'm confused.
He really had the shit! plus political stuff.
The terrorists don't have the shit. But the non-terrorists do have the shit. (edit) The terrorists only have fake C4 and fake Stingers from the FBI??

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/california-man-blows-off-hands-explosives-inside-day/story?id=8783546

Of course they are all white. Maybe that matters
http://www.inlandnewstoday.com/story.php?s=11006
(edit) picture of the non-terrorist bunker here
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-elsinore-bomb9-2009oct09,0,2852670.story?track=rss

Only 1/4 of the world population is Muslim. I think I have a better plan for catching all terrorists. Assume all males are terrorists. Better net. Won't miss any.

And the women? Well I'll take care of those investigations.

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"He can land in Snow friendly Slovenia"

I actually got a random email from a guy in Georgia the other night. It was so cryptic I had to think for a second to understand what he was talking about. Then I had to consult wikipedia to figure out just what the current situation is with Georgia and Russia. It's complicated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008-2009_Georgia%E2%80%93Russia_crisis

And I actually did talk to someone from Slovenia within the last week.

But I will never get my 10,000 page dossier. I'll have to pay the FBI to open a file on me.

I'm really pissed. One of our arch rivals, MLM International, is running a sale this month...but it's obvious they're buying the customers..they're definitely selling below costs...There oughta be a law! This is unfair competitive practices!
http://www.mlmintl.com/

They're even stealing their vision statement from us:

"MLM International specializes in ammunition, ammunition components, and explosives. Because we focus our energies in one vertical sector of the defense market, we provide our customers with better service, more competitive prices, and prompt shipping."

I will admit, if you're low on 40mm grenades, it's probably a good time to stock up. Everyone else is.
http://www.mlmintl.com/40mmHEDP-M430.pdf

(edit) from wiki above:
Mig-29 vs Hermes 450 drone, Georgia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uyTFPwSXUI
Unlike MLM, SI doesn't have to buy their customers.

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Only 1/4 of the world population is Muslim.



And another 1/4 is Chinese!



Damn. You're right. Plus they're communist!

Oh wait. Stand down. They buy all our bonds. Never mind.

(edit) Crank the numbers:
http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

(edit) just perused that list. Where the hell is South Africa? How come they're not ponying up? Probably terrorists running the show there.

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Evidently the plan is to create a black hole that will destroy the earth.

Luckily, they arrested the guy. So the world is safe.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6284816/Al-Qaeda-suspect-was-Cern-nuclear-researcher-plotting-attacks-on-France.html
"Investigators described the older man as "very high level" and said that he had been in contact with individuals linked to Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (Aqim) - the North African wing of the terrorist network - about potential targets in France.

Intelligence sources said he had expressed a "wish, a desire" to carry out a terrorist attack but had "not committed material preparatory acts".

"The older man was a physicist who has been working on analysis projects with Cern's Large Hadron Collider – the world's largest atom collider designed to explore what happened after the Big Bang that allowed matter to survive and to create the universe 14 billion years ago. His work would have intensified when the collider started collecting data in a few months time."

I told you it's those old guys with grey hair you have to watch.

See: what most people don't understand is that the death panels as part of Obama healthcare are part of homeland defense.

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Oh wait. Stand down. They buy all our bonds. Never mind.



New Bretton Woods. China sells stuff to the US, so US runs a huge trade deficit with China leaving it a net holder of USD so...it buys bonds with them, thus financing the US deficit. Gotta love it.

Edited to add (if anyone is interested) cos in fact I should rather have said "bretton woods II" cos "new bretton woods" is more commonly referring to something else :S
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_monetary_systems#The_.22Revived_Bretton_Woods_system.22_identified_in_2003
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Oh wait. Stand down. They buy all our bonds. Never mind.



New Bretton Woods. China sells stuff to the US, so US runs a huge trade deficit with China leaving it a net holder of USD so...it buys bonds with them, thus financing the US deficit. Gotta love it.

Edited to add (if anyone is interested) cos in fact I should rather have said "bretton woods II" cos "new bretton woods" is more commonly referring to something else :S
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_monetary_systems#The_.22Revived_Bretton_Woods_system.22_identified_in_2003


Right, which is why anyone who isn't on the US treasury bond list is a rogue state.

The invasion of South Africa is back on!

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Right, which is why anyone who isn't on the US treasury bond list is a rogue state.

The invasion of South Africa is back on!



Guys this is history and trivia and
too many long diversion will be cause for complaints and cause us to get shut down.

Now - back to Cooper. Sure is a lot happening here and it is slow and tedious, but we are making progress. I am being contacted by lots of different people right now - so something should be popping soon.

Remember the photo of the little girl in the "book" - that is causing quiet a stir at this time. I did not suggest it was Tina, but maybe Duane's daughter or his sister. He was too overly protective of the book and picture for it to be his sister.
I questioned why this book and picture - appeared at the same time as the stub and bag and all of those strange things that happened in 1990 - 5 yrs before he died. The strange trip and the extremes he went to in order to acquire a drivers license for John C. Collins just prior to the above items appearing in 1990.

If I wasn't afraid of flying due to my health - I would have the answers. 2 possibliities and they are not in WA or CA...

The answers could be forth coming and I hope they come SOON...I am very weary and tired.
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Right, which is why anyone who isn't on the US treasury bond list is a rogue state.

The invasion of South Africa is back on!



Snow, we are little in the "all other" category - most of our reserves are in USTs but in the US's scheme of thing we are not big.

It's ironic that certain people think this is off the topic (OK, it is) but then talk about other stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with Cooper.
Actually this isn't off the topic either - if you consider the theory that Cooper's dollars did end up untraced in Asia :)
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[replyIt's ironic that certain people think this is off the topic (OK, it is) but then talk about other stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with Cooper.
:)

Talking about a subject who is actively being investigated by others (not the FBI) is being on subject. None of you with one exception knows anything about what is happening right now. The FBI is not pursueing Cooper anymore even when individuals of authority are contacting them regarding Weber/Cooper. They are told to submit it in writing or that the case is CLOSED.

Facts about Duane Weber have never been disclosed by the FBI or they didn't have it - your choice of what you believe. When (major) researchers found this information the FBI ignored them and 2 attorneys on both sides of the US are talking about Cooper versus Weber. There will be people in WA in the next 2 wks - doing their thing. If I could tell you what the H is going on I would...why don't you call the FBI and see what they say yourself....This forum and private industries are the ones who will have to make any new information public because the FBI is NOT going to do so.

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Right, which is why anyone who isn't on the US treasury bond list is a rogue state.

The invasion of South Africa is back on!



Snow, we are little in the "all other" category - most of our reserves are in USTs but in the US's scheme of thing we are not big.

It's ironic that certain people think this is off the topic (OK, it is) but then talk about other stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with Cooper.
Actually this isn't off the topic either - if you consider the theory that Cooper's dollars did end up untraced in Asia :)


My random posts are on topic for a couple of reasons
1) Was Cooper a terrorist? It's interesting to explore the "labelling" issue, because it affected how the case was handled and perceived.

2) If someone hijacked a plane today, would they be a terrorist no matter what? Would they be charged as terrorist, even if they did exactly what Cooper did?

3) The FBI has always been a secretive organization. It can be argued that the secrecy helps hide their inefficiencies. Some of the numbers on the terrorism cases and their disposition in the courts, speaks to that.

4) There is a discomfort in criticizing the FBI. It's just an organization. Why focus on the FBI? Because they have information that would be interesting for the forum to have, but won't release it. (photos, minimally).

(edit) re: SA Invasion: 2010, World Cup!

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1) Was Cooper a terrorist? It's interesting to explore the "labelling" issue, because it affected how the case was handled and perceived.



I was thinking about this earlier. In all the "why wasn't he caught" crap that leads to conspiracy theories*, we maybe forget one thing: that there were hijacks that led to deaths on the part of other innocent people on the planes when they were stormed, etc. It is entirely understandable why this was handled with kid gloves.

* There was an interesting experiment someone did. Two sets of people were given exactly the same facts regarding an (apparently real but actually made up) assassination attempt, except that one group was told the target survived and in the other he died. The latter group had a much higher % of people who thought there was a conspiracy involved. It's the same with a "one who got away' incident i think - no matter what, simply because of what may have been an entirely chance outcome (ie caught or not) there is all this rubbish. We've spoken before about this, but if McCoy had kept his mouth shut and not been caught, I bet there would also be a conspiracy theory about that.

Btw, Snow, wasn't meaning your posts had no connection. I certainly think they have at least as much relevance as wild unproven conspiracy theories ranging from MLK and the bay of pigs and the freemasons, to photos of children whose gender can't even be determined and arbitrary people in SLC, etc etc etc - all of which are presented without a single shred of evidence to in any way connect them to the case, yet somehow we are meant to accept those as "relevant" or "on topic" ... (at least until we get shown proof otherwise) all except one poster do not believe there is any connection to Cooper whatsoever.

377's gone quiet, I guess he's busy doing more high altitude jumps... :)
If any of you are gonna be here for the soccer next year, let me know :)
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Facts about Duane Weber have never been disclosed by the FBI or they didn't have it - your choice of what you believe.



You have been saying this since you started,
years ago, even before there were "socalled facts" to disclose or not disclose.

So, our is not to reason why but simply to do as you
command? Is this what ur saying?

Sounds like a schizoid shell game to me!

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if McCoy had kept his mouth shut and not been caught, I bet there would also be a conspiracy theory about that.



McCoy was going to be caught in any event ...
he was a social person with social leaks all around him .... his mouth was just one leak, or door to his
capture!

It is the lack of any thread leading to Cooper that
is somewhat mystifying and leads to conspiracy
theories. The idea that Cooper was a loner and
not missed/reported missing.

Then you have these two Einstein's years later,
Dvorak and whosit (Myers), who think they have
discovered the wheel when they find a scent trail 50 miles wide! And KOIN goes into a mythical frenzy over what they already know is nothing - such is the
monied media! Everyone's reputations get butchured in the process and nobody really cares becuase by
that date reputations in Amereica are as expendable
as toilet tissue -

Now we have this forum here with its OUTBACK CLEANER BOWL POPUPS which bring in revenue
and block posters but we dont even know if Cooper
knew Tina's name!

And we wonder why and why villans become heroes !

If anyone knows (can prove) Cooper knew Tina's name then they arent saying for personal reasons
or its a secret the likes of which only Myers,Dvorak,
Weber, Cook, etal can conspiratorially utter!

Whatever happened to Ole' Tom Kaye. Did he retire
with the fishes?

And what of Ole' Jerry Thomas? Did a bear eat him?

Funny. ;)

Cooper was not found because there was no ejecta
from his descent and he took everything with
him. The continental plates shifted and tossed
money the Devil has not spent backup on the
surface, at a popular resort everyone knew called
Tina's Bar. Lovers rolling in the sand would have
found it within a year, instead two kids with their
trailertrash parents find it instead, and the FBI
forgives them!

Every God damned thing in the country is an OUTBACK CLENSAER popup SOAP OPERA!

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McCoy was going to be caught in any event ...
he was a social person with social leaks all around him .... his mouth was just one leak, or door to his capture!



:|Might be how Cooper was never found - too many days of solitary over a 17 yrs of jail time -taught him how to keep his mouth shut.


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Years later, Dvorak and Myers, think they have discovered the wheel when they find a scent trail 50 miles wide! And KOIN goes into a mythical frenzy over what they already know is nothing - such is the monied media! Everyone's reputations get butchured in the process and nobody really cares because by that date reputations in America are as expendable as toilet tissue.



These guys bugged me for yrs., but I refused to play by their rules and when they made poor Mayfield their target, I was amazed Mayfield played along. Reality hit him and things got serious as the vultures picked at the reputation he had built for himself in recent yrs. Sure Mayfield was no angel and he made his share of mistakes in his life like the rest of up - but no one deserves to be used and mis-directed...for the financial gain of others.


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Now we have this forum here with its OUTBACK CLEANER BOWL POPUPS which bring in revenue and block posters



That statement is not fair - are you a paying member of DZ?
The DZ offers all of us the amazing opportunity to discuss Cooper with a large group of people from a varied group of backgrounds and knowledge. Outside of occassional crap, we have shared and discussed details about the 1971 skyjacking a large majority of which most of us had little or NO knowledge of. We have agreed and disagreed. We have explored things NO group of people has ever been allowed to discuss in this manner before. Those who had no knowledge of jumping and Boeings learned about these things from posters at DZ. The flight path was discussed and explored for the first time publically.

We all learned things about Cooper and the money find - that would never have been known or discussed had it not been for DZ.

Until all of us become paying members - don't knock the Pop-Ups. They are annoying, but tolerable in these trying financial times. :)


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Cooper was not found because there was no ejecta
from his descent and he took everything with him. The continental plates shifted and tossed money the Devil has not spent backup on the surface, at a popular resort everyone knew called Tina's Bar. Lovers rolling in the sand would have found it within a yr, instead two kids with their trailertrash parents find it instead, and the FBI forgives them!



Excellent demonic analogy except for the t______t____ part.

I mock the FBI and I make no apologies for that - but they are paid government employees and I expect them to earn their payday...they are not innocent by-standers.
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Hm.

As President of the Citizen's Sleuth Group, I must correct the record.
Jo is not authorized to speak for the CSG, and has no membership card (current) from the group.

CSG sent FBI Director Mueller an invitation to join CSG. He believes he didn't join because he stopped halfway thru, thinking "not clicking" saved his butt. I guess people believe what they need to believe.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10370164-245.html

In any case Mueller is not in CSG either. (one of the CSG bylaws requires members to never say in public: "Hi. I'm stupid".)

CSG does commend Snowmman on his 3472 posts, and looks forward to 10,000. Quantity matters, not quality.

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One audience member submitted a comment card that the fear of the FBI reading citizen e-mail was greater than the fear of teenage hackers. The FBI does not intercept communications without a court order of some kind, Mueller said.



yeah... Sure.

If they intend to use the intercept in court of course they follow the Constitution. If they don't, the evidence can be suppressed.

What about plain old warrantless snooping to move an investigation along? Do you really think the FBI never does that?

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377's gone quiet, I guess he's busy doing more high altitude jumps...



Yes, and outfitted with more telemetry gear than a Predator UAV.

Perfect HAHO jump weather today. Clear, warm 5 mph wind.

377
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