DB Cooper

[Orange1 0]

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The use of naive kids in publicity stunts... could it have happened at Tena Bar?

377

377..just remind me of the thinking in this regard - ie what would the motivation have been?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Not really sure. Rather than publicity it might have been a way to test what would happen if some rotted Cooper money surfaced. Perhaps the parents had much more and planted what was found.

The circumstances of the Ingram kid's find has always struck me as odd. Am I alone in that opinion?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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Not really sure. Rather than publicity it might have been a way to test what would happen if some rotted Cooper money surfaced. Perhaps the parents had much more and planted what was found.

The circumstances of the Ingram kid's find has always struck me as odd. Am I alone in that opinion?

377

I agree it looks odd; I have just had trouble trying to figure out what or why there would have been a set-up.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

What if I said "I live in Texas", where H.B. 2003 was just passed.
Would that affect what people say here?

Does the Texas law make Sluggo happier?

(edit) I suppose if you read it close, it's reasonably constrained to evil intent. It's not just harassment, but impersonation/fraud etc?

(edit) The law should give pause to anyone out there trying to pass themselves off as CSG. As President-for-life, I am especially concerned about such actions by others.

H.B. No. 2003

AN ACT
relating to the creation of the offense of online harassment.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Chapter 33, Penal Code, is amended by adding
Section 33.07 to read as follows:
Sec. 33.07. ONLINE HARASSMENT. (a) A person commits an
offense if the person uses the name or persona of another person to
create a web page on or to post one or more messages on a commercial
social networking site:
(1) without obtaining the other person's consent; and
(2) with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate, or
threaten any person.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person sends an
electronic mail, instant message, text message, or similar
communication that references a name, domain address, phone number,
or other item of identifying information belonging to any person:
(1) without obtaining the other person's consent;
(2) with the intent to cause a recipient of the
communication to reasonably believe that the other person
authorized or transmitted the communication; and
(3) with the intent to harm or defraud any person.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third
degree. An offense under Subsection (b) is a Class A misdemeanor,
except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the actor
commits the offense with the intent to solicit a response by
emergency personnel.
(d) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this
section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor
may be prosecuted under this section, the other law, or both.
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor is any of the following entities or that the actor's
conduct consisted solely of action taken as an employee of any of
the following entities:
(1) a commercial social networking site;
(2) an Internet service provider;
(3) an interactive computer service, as defined by 47
U.S.C. Section 230;
(4) a telecommunications provider, as defined by
Section 51.002, Utilities Code; or
(5) a video service provider or cable service
provider, as defined by Section 66.002, Utilities Code.
(f) In this section:
(1) "Commercial social networking site" means any
business, organization, or other similar entity operating a website
that permits persons to become registered users for the purpose of
establishing personal relationships with other users through
direct or real-time communication with other users or the creation
of web pages or profiles available to the public or to other users.
The term does not include an electronic mail program or a message
board program.
(2) "Identifying information" has the meaning
assigned by Section 32.51.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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377 Trust me when I tell you the Ingram find was la g et Brian is the one that found the money exactly as reported. I have personally talked to all involved. I have spent many hour's with Brian Ingram . This man is solid. He is also a military veteran and has added nothing to his story since the day he found the money . He remember's exactly to the inch of where he found the money and has pointed it out to many people in March of this year. So there is nothing funny about the Ingram discovery It has been researched and tested by all. Jerry

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I don't doubt The kid's find being legit from his standpoint. I just wonder if he was subtly led to the site and encouraged to prep it for a fire.

The chances of a random very shallow dig turning up the only pile of Cooper bills found at Tena Bar is very small.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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I don't doubt The kid's find being legit from his standpoint. I just wonder if he was subtly led to the site and encouraged to prep it for a fire.

The chances of a random very shallow dig turning up the only pile of Cooper bills found at Tena Bar is very small.

377

377: I think you're evaluating it wrong. You're assuming there's nothing special about Tena Bar.

Assume the money fell in the columbia. A dredge moves stuff from a large area to a small area.

People travel on that small area. They don't travel in other areas.

Assuming the money landed in the Columbia. If any money is found anywhere, it makes sense that Tena Bar is more likely than other places.

There could have been money elsewhere, that wasn't found.

(edit) Brian isn't special. If it wasn't Brian, it would have been someone else.

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377 You are correct and of course the chance's of me finding Cooper remains is slim .It was also a slim fact that they would ever find Emilly Smart. But miracles do happen. This is what happened with the Ingram's. Jerry

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Snowwman . Once again you are totally correct. Question do you ever get tired of being right. I realy hope not. Jerry ( for real)

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Don't confuse me with logic about the Tena Bar find Snow. My house was just painted with Sherwin Williams paint. After that happened all sorts of things I said turn out to be right. Previously most were wrong.

I am trying to get the power Jo has where things go "poof" and disappear with no cached traces remaining. Still working on that one.

Jerry, you are right, miracles DO happen. I really hope one happens to you.

I can just see it, you are poking through some thick Washougal brush and you spot an unmistakable sight for an experienced vintage parachutist: a pack opening band amidst the brambles. The nylon cover is rotted but the springs, a bit oxidized, are still stretched out holding tension on the weathered remains of an NB6 that never opened.

You cut through the barbed vines and can now see the whole rig. Mice have knawed holes in parts of the container but the ripcord pins are still seated. You give a tug to the stainless cable and the pins don't budge from the cones. Cossey's hard pull pack job is still a hard pull 38 years later.

The flesh and bones have been scattered by scavengers but some further searching and excavation will surely verify what you already know to be true: you have found ground zero.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 244]

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I have something that I think connects.

I knew a guy from Huntington Beach. The rumor he was laying low because of some misunderstanding relating to drugs. In any case, he had a red vw bug, with the front end lowered. He got a fix-it ticket for it. (no bumper, or the bumper was too low, or something).

Well, I was not from Huntington Beach, but had a red vw. He hatched a plan to swap plates and drive my dub down to get the ticket signed off. Apparently the plan worked.

But the plot thickens. I was sleeping in my red vw one night and awoke to find myself surrounded by kids outside. Unknowingly, I had parked at a schoolbus stop.

The other red vw bug owner, was working at a burrito joint. Somehow, someone knew were were connected and a message was passed to him accusing me of being some kind of pervert.

I later went to the burrito joint, and he gave me an oversized burrito, for the same price as normal size.

A number of years after that, he died. I don't know what happened to that red vw, or if it was still lowered.

I don't believe he ever worked at Sherwin Williams though.

Snowman!

This is the best post of the entire thread!

jon

Nope. Yours is.

[georger 244]

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Wonder why nobody did a quick rough calc of the volume of that wacky saucer helium balloon.

They did.
(was on CNN live

[georger 244]

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Wonder why nobody did a quick rough calc of the volume of that wacky saucer helium balloon. When I did, it seemed incapable of lifting a six year old kid's weight.

see below

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It also seemed to have attitude changes inconsistent with the weight of a 6 year old child suspended beneath it.

Agreed. definitely.
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Hi Jim. They did.

[georger 244]

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I don't doubt The kid's find being legit from his standpoint. I just wonder if he was subtly led to the site and encouraged to prep it for a fire.

The chances of a random very shallow dig turning up the only pile of Cooper bills found at Tena Bar is very small.

377

377: I think you're evaluating it wrong. You're assuming there's nothing special about Tena Bar.

Assume the money fell in the columbia. A dredge moves stuff from a large area to a small area.

People travel on that small area. They don't travel in other areas.

Assuming the money landed in the Columbia. If any money is found anywhere, it makes sense that Tena Bar is more likely than other places.

There could have been money elsewhere, that wasn't found.

Nice calcs but:

There could have 'not' been money elsewhere, also.

What makes Tina Bar special to you is people
travel there so if there is money to be found
anywhere it will therefore be at Tina Bar?

Cooper could have walked the money there
for the same reason!

From a hydro point of view there is nothing
special about Tina Bar until to add a few
stipulations, especially from as far away as the Washougal.

So either dredging has something to do with this
or the bar being a public place does, or both,
or something else entirely different?

Now of you had looked at the money as the FBI
did you would know there is something else.
Tom Kaye missed it entirely and maybe for
good reasons. The FBi had the money when it
as fresh and uncontaminated.

Food for more of your antics -

[georger 244]

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Snowwman . Once again you are totally correct. Question do you ever get tired of being right. I realy hope not. Jerry ( for real)

Dont stretch your neck out too far!

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I now have quite a package ready if anyone wants to do a dummy drop to recreate the Cooper jump in a similar storm.

I have a really beat up (but good enough for a dummy) seat pack miltary C 9 emergency bailout rig. The canopy is in great shape.

An obsolete but functional Sentinel MK 2000 pin puller AAD that could be set to open the canopy at a preset altitude.

A 5 watt VHF telemetry package that has shown the ability to transmit reliable GPS data packets 62 miles when I used it last weekend on a 13,000 ft HAHO jump. Wouldnt be hard to add temperature data, accelerometer data, etc. Currently I have heart rate and blood oxygen data multiplexed onto the GPS data string.

Real time video transmission could be added, but on a stormy night it might not be much to look at.

Just need a dummy of suitable weight and a good estimate of Coopers exit point... and a jumpship pilot willing to drop the stuff during a winter storm.

Just waiting for a call from Hollywood. Dont need to make any money, just get my gear back or replaced.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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did you would know there is something else.
Tom Kaye missed it entirely and maybe for
good reasons.

No. What was it?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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Don't confuse me with logic about the Tena Bar find Snow. My house was just painted with Sherwin Williams paint. After that happened all sorts of things I said turn out to be right. Previously most were wrong.

I used Kelly Moore just this last summer. No wonder we disagree. It's amazing to see the brand loyalty paint guys have to a store. You don't just go back and forth. Kelly-Moore goes back to 1946. I think Duane Weber was involved somehow but it's been covered up.

They have 4 manufacturing facilities, doing 20 million gallons of paint per year. One is in Seattle, WA.

interesting history about the founders here:
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/KellyMoore-Paint-Company-Inc-Company-History.html

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I am trying to get the power Jo has where things go "poof" and disappear with no cached traces remaining. Still working on that one.

Don't people know about the wayback archive? For instance you can get pages from dropzone.com from years back (some are missing)
see here:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.dropzone.com

[skyjack71 0]

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I will not tolerate you'r Fiction or you'r tall tale's any longer. Life is to short for your bull. So stop [t or I will do it for you in your home town. Jo I am very serious. Drop out now . It's over I'm Done and no more phone call.s Jerry

I think that sounds like a threat.
All I am doing is posting what has been found. Duane's family was connected to Boeing.

The brother worked as a consultant for Boeing for 6 yrs.
Another relative was a chemist with Sherwin Willam who landed a large contract with Boeing for the 727's. Then in the 60's another incident regarding Boeings and why Duane was probably involved...still working on that one. Duane was screwed out of an inheritance (per him as I have no verification of that) in the 60's. Boeing, Boeing, Boeing over and over - did the whole world work for Boeing?

I am presenting some of what I have learned after being asked to do so by others - and then JERRY orders me to DROP OUT NOW and threatens to come to my home town. Perhaps interested parties should ask themselves WHY is Jerry so incinerated by this.

If one doesn't like what I posted and doesn't see the link that is his or her priority. If what I have posted is so insignificant - WHY is Jerry so riled and abusive and threatening me? I did not directed ANY conversation toward him. The information I posted which generated the threat, came from County Records, census records, death records and is information compiled by people who do this as a profession.

I have absolutely NO interest in speaking to Jerry about Cooper nor am I calling him. I did dial his number one night by mistake.
I hung up when the phone rang several times and caught my mistake. I deleted the number at that time.

As for posting the military records I have - Army and Navy - they are of NO significance and have been thorougly discussed in the past along with letters from Duane and severalf communications from the Navy and Army to his mother in regards to her son. What might be of significance might be the records of "Richard" - I don't have those records.

Snowmman: I don't even know what a cache is - I just know I can go to a site at one time and the information is there - and the next time it is gone. If you want something to do find out what happened to "Richard". Should you decide to accept this assignment - I will send you what I know with a PM that will self-destruct once it is read.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Jo asked " Boeing, Boeing, Boeing over and over - did the whole world work for Boeing? "

Yes.

graph attached showing Boeing employees from 1959-2001
in 1967 it peaked at 100,874.
in 1989 it surpassed that at 106,670

In 1971, it dropped to just 37,200

from http://www.seattlepi.com/business/39369_boeingweb.shtml

Even thought over 500,000 people may have been connected to Boeing like Duane, it makes sense that Duane Weber is more strongly connected.

I don't know how many of those Boeing employees were also connected to Sherwin Williams. I don't think Kelly Moore had aerospace coatings?

Question: Did Duane ever have a red car? We know about the vanity license plate.

(edit) In thinking about Jerry's actions, they do seem odd. A reasonable explanation is that he knows Duane is Cooper and is trying to cover it up. I can't think of any others?

(edit) I can confirm that, unlike others, Jerry has never been in the employ of CSG Inc, or Snowmman Industries, if that helps.

[skyjack71 0]

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I don't know how many of those Boeing employees were also connected to Sherwin Williams. I don't think Kelly Moore had aerospace coatings?

Question: Did Duane ever have a red car? We know about the vanity license plate.

Sherwin William had the contract with Boeing for the paint used and developed for the Boeing 727. Duane's relative was a chemist with Sherwin Williams.

Yes, a red Cadillac Eldorado and a Mercury (Not sure it was classified red) but in that family.

Read the edit to my prior post - Will you accept the assignment? It pays...but then you would have to let me know who you are. Also the results would have to remain confidential only to me until I decide if it is relevant.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Mrs. Weber,

Please answer the following questions regarding your claim that the SW history page was suddenly altered:

Please provide some detail here. What web page are you talking about? Post a link to it. On what date was the history there, and when did it disappear? What information disappeared?

Thanks!

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[snowmman 3]

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Yes, a red Cadillac Eldorado and a Mercury (Not sure it was classified red) but in that family.

Well, you can ask yourself, how did I know that?

Now if the back seat of that red Cadillac Eldorado could talk...

(edit) Re stunts for hire: flat rate $1500/day. Snowmman Industries will agree to any confidentiality agreement, but we have a history of violating them. Since most of our contracts are of a legally questionable nature, we've not had to worry about violating contract clauses.

[georger 244]

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377 You are correct and of course the chance's of me finding Cooper remains is slim .It was also a slim fact that they would ever find Emilly Smart. But miracles do happen. This is what happened with the Ingram's. Jerry

I sent you a parting email which you might want
to read. Take care.
Georger

[snowmman 3]

The corporate headquarters for Sherwin Williams is
727 Rubber Ave
Naugatuck, CT

Coincidence?