DB Cooper

[georger 244]

Mr. G,
You are being a capital A--.
I do not attempt to even post on Sluggo's site. I really do find it too difficult for me, but I am always interested in anything new because it is there. I only go there when he states he has done something new. Sluggo knows I have NEVER been able to get the pics on the site to show on my computer. I have NO need to control anything.

To go public with this new "stuff" -will serve no purpose - it has NO relation to Cooper, but only proves that Duane did not lie to me about other things - therefore why would he lie about being Dan Cooper? Since the new "stuff " involves more than one person and could hurt a lot of people I am being very cautious and waiting for a reply to my enquiry.

I have absolutely zero interest in exploiting people who only did what they thought was the right thing to do and for all of the right reasons. If NO HARM was done as the orders stood - I will not pick that bone.

All I want is to find ONE person - the one person who holds a secret or two. Disclosing this person will cause them NO grief.

I know that certain individuals tested me early on - in 1997/1998 to see just how much I knew about them. I suspected something, but being the simple simon I am - I didn't have enough sense to know what I held in my hands at that time. NOW, I do. It made ZERO sense why the contact in the above time era did not know certain individuals - he knew exactly who they were and what their relation to Duane was - it took me 12 yrs to figure it out. The answer was in my possession and my mind all of these yrs.

A truthful fact. Back in 1998 I wrote the name and contact information of a certain person on a piece of yellow paper and folded it to let someone know if I died due to any strange circumstances that the person whose name I wrote might be responsible for my death. I believe that Sluggo saw this note when he was at my home...or I found it shortly afterwards.

The only reason the name Vern was enquired about is because Duane had a friend by the name of Vern.

Duane's military experience was of interest - but, his activities from the 1944 - 1950 and then from 1958 thru 1971 were much more interesting. The FBI says he was in prison for 4 of the above yrs.




Georger you state this fiction:

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I know if I'm surrounded by loving family with my time on the planet drawing near; I won't disclose how I accidently killed a Bellman in Reno and had a torrid three year affair with my wife's sister. OK, I might fess up to the Bellman thing, but not the other; dying does not make one suicidal.

Betty - You are addressing the wrong person.

None of the above was from me or concerns me.

You must have me confused with Frank Sinatra.

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None of this means anything to any of you - because I am the only one who knows what the common denominator is.

Oh... the horror.

Please Jo, don't tell a soul. I wish you a long life but let it die with you.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 244]

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None of this means anything to any of you - because I am the only one who knows what the common denominator is.

Oh... the horror.

Please Jo, don't tell a soul. I wish you a long life but let it die with you.

377

I was just wondering today what the future holds for Cooperology. Will there be a breakthrough (by who!) or will it just sit right where
it is today dying a slo death (remembered only in the State of WA and among a few law enforcement
and their families, and by Brian Ingram). For example there is only one person left in one family
i know who was personally involved - in a minor capacity. The rest are all gone and no one talks
about Cooper anymore.

In addition, sorry to say, Cooperism has taken hold.
A large segment of the public associates Cooper
with FBI ineptness/beaurocracy and the rest with
wackoism. I would venture to guess that among those who profess a deep knowledge (have studied?) the Cooper affair, a large segment of
those have most of their facts wrong ... but they
know nontheless! Factual knowledge is seeping
away fast. That again is why I wish a historian would take this up and preserve what factual records the FBI would cooperate in allowing to be preserved...

Any opinions?

[snowmman 3]

Just posting some more evidence.

Dick "Bruce" Cheney. AKA Richard Cheney in an airplane, circa 1975.
(attached). This was extracted from FBI file A7330 page 22.

I don't know why this has been kept hidden till now.

Dick Cheney's involvement in the Flight 305 hijacking, which was directed by Rumsfeld, was the "ace card" that led to his becoming the youngest chief of staff in history, in 1975....

Ford fumbles when trying to explain why...because the why, was because Rumsfeld ordered it, and Rumsfeld controlled everything after the Flight 305 fiasco.

President Ford fires a number of Nixon holdovers and replaces them with “my guys… my own team”..

The wholesale firings and reshufflings are dubbed the “Halloween Massacre.” Donald Rumsfeld becomes secretary of defense, replacing James Schlesinger.

George H. W. Bush replaces William Colby as director of the CIA.

Henry Kissinger remains secretary of state, but his position as national security adviser is given to Brent Scowcroft. Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld’s deputy chief of staff, moves up to become the youngest chief of staff in White House history.

Perhaps the most controversial decision is to replace Nelson Rockefeller as Ford’s vice-presidential candidate for the 1976 elections. Ford’s shake-up is widely viewed as his cave-in to Republican Party hardliners.

He flounders in his defense of his new staffers: for example, when Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) asks him why he thinks Rumsfeld is qualified to run the Pentagon, Ford replies, “He was a pilot in the Korean War.”

The ultimate winner in the shake-up is Rumsfeld, who instigated the moves from behind the scenes and gains the most from them.

Rumsfeld quickly wins a reputation in Washington as a political opportunist, gunning for the vice presidency in 1976 and willing to do whatever is necessary to get it. Rockefeller tells Ford: “Rumsfeld wants to be president of the United States. He has given George Bush the deep six by putting him in the CIA, he has gotten me out.…"

[snowmman 3]

"A truthful fact. Back in 1998 I wrote the name and contact information of a certain person on a piece of yellow paper and folded it"

If this was true, why don't you tell us the number of folds? Was it written with pen or pencil? If pen: blue, red or black ink? Felt pen?
Script or block printing?
Lined or unlined paper. If lined, what color were the lines?

After folding, where was the note deposited? Envelope? Inside a book?

Can you scan the note today?

Why are you not telling everything about the note?

[snowmman 3]

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None of this means anything to any of you - because I am the only one who knows what the common denominator is.

Oh... the horror.

Please Jo, don't tell a soul. I wish you a long life but let it die with you.

377

I wish Jo a long life. But, 377, I guarantee you one thing.

Snowmman Industries will have a stenographer, and witness and video camera available for Jo Weber's last words.

I am confident they will be something about a secret that the world can't understand... and she will say "Oh let it die with me".

Snowmman Industries will guarantee it does not, and also guarantee that we will return the maximum profit to our shareholders, from the information we garner.

[georger 244]

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None of this means anything to any of you - because I am the only one who knows what the common denominator is.

Oh... the horror.

Please Jo, don't tell a soul. I wish you a long life but let it die with you.

377

I wish Jo a long life. But, 377, I guarantee you one thing.

Snowmman Industries will have a stenographer, and witness and video camera available for Jo Weber's last words.

I am confident they will be something about a secret that the world can't understand... and she will say "Oh let it die with me".

Snowmman Industries will guarantee it does not, and also guarantee that we will return the maximum profit to our shareholders, from the information we garner.

How many could a tirkey like you feed?

[snowmman 3]

Hi georger.
Why am I a turkey?

(edit) by way of reference, Sarah Palin sold 700,000 books her first week.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34127223/ns/today-today_books/

In comparison, using the metrics of information exchange and profit-taking, I think I'm on solid ground.

[Orange1 0]

Happy anniversary everyone
To get back to smokejumpers -- saw this in Time magazine today:

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It takes nerve to fight fires. But leaping out of planes and parachuting directly into infernos requires a rare brand of bravery. And no man better exemplified this fearlessness than Montana native Earl Cooley, who died Nov. 9 at 98.

Cooley was one of the original smoke jumpers, firefighters who parachute into remote blazes, often in deep wilderness. His first attempt was less than perfect--which was perhaps not surprising, considering that he had never been in an airplane before he took his practice runs. In July 1940, Cooley and a colleague leaped out of a plane over a fire in Idaho. Cooley's parachute lines became tangled on the way down, and he landed in the branches of a spruce tree. But the pair brought the blaze under control by the following morning.

The feat marked the beginning of the Forest Service's smoke-jumpers program, and Cooley became the group's first superintendent. His career wasn't flawless; in 1949, Cooley directed the crew battling the Mann Gulch fire in Montana, at which 12 smoke jumpers lost their lives.

Cooley never forgot the tragedy, but his confidence didn't waver. "I don't know why, but I was never afraid to jump," he once said. That's uncommon nerve, even by the standards of men who leap into flames.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1940682,00.html#ixzz0XnpM1xUW

(if anyone is looking for name links, sounds suspiciously close to a certain rigger, no? )

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

more (+ a pic, in case anyone wants to compare )

http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/2009-11-23-voa2.cfm

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

"Carol Abraczinskas, a professor at the University of Chicago, was contacted by the FBI to help with a private investigation into the case.

Her speciality is scientific illustration. She has been asked to look at the comic books to see what connection there may be with the infamous unknown hijacker, Cook said.

Abraczinskas declined to discuss the case, saying, "We're not discussing the work right now, but you may hear from us in the future.""

http://www.standard.net/topics/crime/2009/11/24/38-years-later-db-cooper-remains-mystery

I suspect she has somehow tied the comic book to Duane Weber. Duane Weber read at least one book we know of.

We may hear from "us" in the future.
She did not say who "us" was.

us could be US, as in United States, as in Other Government Agency.

Ties to South Africa were kept out of the article.

[georger 244]

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"Carol Abraczinskas, a professor at the University of Chicago, was contacted by the FBI to help with a private investigation into the case.

Her speciality is scientific illustration. She has been asked to look at the comic books to see what connection there may be with the infamous unknown hijacker, Cook said.

Abraczinskas declined to discuss the case, saying, "We're not discussing the work right now, but you may hear from us in the future.""

http://www.standard.net/topics/crime/2009/11/24/38-years-later-db-cooper-remains-mystery

I suspect she has somehow tied the comic book to Duane Weber. Duane Weber read at least one book we know of.

We may hear from "us" in the future.
She did not say who "us" was.

us could be US, as in United States, as in Other Government Agency.

Ties to South Africa were kept out of the article.

Gobble Gobble.

Thanks for your contribution to Cooperphelia.

Its allllllllllllll wrongggggggggggg.

Gobble Gobble.

[georger 244]

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Happy anniversary everyone
To get back to smokejumpers -- saw this in Time magazine today:

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It takes nerve to fight fires. But leaping out of planes and parachuting directly into infernos requires a rare brand of bravery. And no man better exemplified this fearlessness than Montana native Earl Cooley, who died Nov. 9 at 98.

Cooley was one of the original smoke jumpers, firefighters who parachute into remote blazes, often in deep wilderness. His first attempt was less than perfect--which was perhaps not surprising, considering that he had never been in an airplane before he took his practice runs. In July 1940, Cooley and a colleague leaped out of a plane over a fire in Idaho. Cooley's parachute lines became tangled on the way down, and he landed in the branches of a spruce tree. But the pair brought the blaze under control by the following morning.

The feat marked the beginning of the Forest Service's smoke-jumpers program, and Cooley became the group's first superintendent. His career wasn't flawless; in 1949, Cooley directed the crew battling the Mann Gulch fire in Montana, at which 12 smoke jumpers lost their lives.

Cooley never forgot the tragedy, but his confidence didn't waver. "I don't know why, but I was never afraid to jump," he once said. That's uncommon nerve, even by the standards of men who leap into flames.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1940682,00.html#ixzz0XnpM1xUW

(if anyone is looking for name links, sounds suspiciously close to a certain rigger, no? )

Weve (youve) been over this ad nauseum.
By the same logic you might as look at all swimmers,
walkers, hikers, Raleigh smokers, ...........

did you know Raleigh used to keep track of their customers?

A cheap ass ideologue who hijacks an aeroplane
might have filled out the Raleigh Merchandise form prior to the hijacking to get a free pen knife? Or a free penis extender, soda submarine, hand held juicer, cuff links, etc? JC Penny participated in the program and supplied cheap merchandise.

Am I the only Martian thinking here?

[skyjack71 0]

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Cooperism has taken hold.
A large segment of the public associates Cooper with FBI ineptness/beaurocracy and the rest with wackoism. I would venture to guess that among those who profess a deep knowledge (have studied?) the Cooper affair, a large segment of those have most of their facts wrong ... but they
know nontheless! Factual knowledge is seeping
away fast. That again is why I wish a historian would take this up and preserve what factual records the FBI would cooperate in allowing to be preserved...

Any opinions?

Not that my opinion means anything, because you associate me with the wackoism, but I DO agree with the words quoted and made by you on this 38th Anniversary of the Worlds Only Unsolved Skyjacking.

There are University historians working on this now and they try to remain objective. One is actually a devoted historian and the other one unfortunately, although objective, may be tainted by my story and public opinion...yet seems devoted to at least being factual. Without the co-operation of the FBI there will be NO factual accountings.

I believe that thru a factual accounting derived from the FBI files there lies suspects the FBI never considered viable. What the FBI is wary of may not be what is found, but who they trust to actually call the shots. That is a two sided statement - because of what I feel lies within those files.

A little useful trivia for this Nov 24th 2009.

1963 November 24 - Jack Ruby shot and mortally wounded Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of President John F. Kennedy, in a scene captured on live television.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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... time to end the story of Weber, but I thought maybe I should be a little more forthcoming about the things I have found -

It just keeps getting better. Now we can add Jack Ruby to the incredible list of dead celebs. Maybe Duane wasn't really a person but rather the grim reaper himself. Keith and Mick (yes Duane knew them too) were duly impressed and wrote a song about him.

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank
in the general's rank
When the Blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
(woo woo, woo woo)

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me
(who who, who who)

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

I've been researching the rumor that Duane Weber took the famous backyard photos. (attached).

See here's what doesn't make sense.
The Imperial 620 Duo Lens belonged to Lee. And supposedly Marina took the photos.


The Imperial 620 Duo Lens Camera is a very cheap and very light camera. Even if it slightly looks like a Rolliflex, it is not a professional camera. The body of the camera is entirely made of plastic. Both lens and the viewfinder are also in plastic.

Here is a portion of Marina's testimony:
DEPOSITION OF MARINA OSWALD PORTER
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 1977
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS,
Washington, D.C.
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.../...
Q. This camera, do you recall whether to take pictures with this camera, you would look down into the viewfinder or
whether you would hold the camera up to your eye and look straight ahead?
A. I just recall I think it is straight.
Q. You would put the camera up by your eye?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you remember what color the camera was?
A. I think it was black.
Q. Do you remember anything else about it?
A. Not the name; no. But again, since I am not expert with the camera, that is what I remember, I think?

..........

The questions that point to Duane:

Marina should have remembered:

- The color of Oswald Imperial camera was silver, this was a unusual color for a box camera in the 60's.
- The large red knob, is used to the advance the film.
- The viewfinder at the top of the camera (under the hood) displays a inverted 'horizontal' image.


I have created some blowups of the photos, and thru university analysis have determined that the height of the camera operator, was +-5% of Duane's height.
The way the viewfinder is used guarantees this.

A team was sent to the location of the photo, and some reference points were still there for comparative measurements.

The big question: Why was Duane there, taking the photos?

One member of the team believes there is a comic book folded in the newspaper Oswald is holding. The 3rd photo is some early work from the university team.

What you can see is that the newspaper being held is not "The Militant" because it is the wrong size. It appears to be a faked paper being used to hide a comic book.

In addition, I have found in the Warren Commission evidence, a telegram confirming that Duane Weber was involved in procuring prostitutes for Jack Ruby. The telegram (attached) from Jack Ruby says "DEAR EDDIE, NOT INTERESTED IN LAST GIRL. PLEASE . WITHIN MY BUDGET SUBMIT TALENT/FOR INDEFINITE STAY"

(edit) updated to the picture of the real silver oswald camera
The first is the black version of the camera. How could Marina get this wrong?
Now I'm wondering about Duane's involvement with Marina.

[skyjack71 0]

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I've been researching the rumor that Duane Weber took the famous backyard photos. (attached).

Good one Snowmman!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Prove it's not true, if you know so much about Duane.

[JerryThomas 0]

Geoger, 377, Orange 1 , Sluggo .Snowmann,Jo. and All , This is wishing you all ,have a wonderfull Thanks giving. Please enjoy all. Thank you all for your patience and kind words this past year. It is a pleasure Knowing all of you. Oh Quade thank's for your tollerence and guidence. Special thanks to you Geoger for your support this past year durring my time of loss. of all my family members. A lot of you don't Know How much Geoger has supported me durring my time of grief. Still you all have done the same in many ways. Thanks All. Jerry

[skyjack71 0]

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Prove it's not true, if you know so much about Duane.

Snowmman I am very tipsy right now - not about to prove or disprove anything. I will say this much - Duane's John Collins SS card was issued in Mississippi. Wasn't that where Oswald supposedly trained? You guys walked yourself right into that one.

Wait a minute here - I never said anything about Duane knowing Oswald! Geeze! Just a damn trivia remark about Jack Ruby.

Did I forget to mention that I just fininshed off about 2/3's a bottle of wine.

By the way, what in the H--- was Oswald really holding in those pics? Stranger still someone has his pic made with a gun on his hip and a rifle in his hand and holding up heaven knows what in his hands.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Good for you Jerry! Happy T-Day.

[snowmman 3]

"By the way, what in the H--- was Oswald really holding in those pics? Stranger still someone has his pic made with a gun on his hip and a rifle in his hand and holding up heaven knows what in his hands."

Exactly.

There are some who believe Duane Weber fathered Lee Oswald with a prostitute. If you look at Lee's marine photo below on the right, he looks a lot like Duane Weber.

[skyjack71 0]

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Well it is 11:15 (Oopps now 1:32 AM November 25th) in my time zone and time to end the story of Weber, but I thought maybe I should be a little more forthcoming about the things I have found - it appears that the warning I was given in 1996 about Duane knowing people in High places was not exaggerated and I find that alarming.

In the early sixties a group of men who with relationships going back to the 50's were asked to become a force task related to private protection. This was a stormy political era. When the word was sent to WA that Kennedy's life might be in jeopardy - he chose not to take extra measures outside of his normal scope of security.

These men tried without success to fault the assassination of Kennedy, but they failed. They were present in various locations but with limited capabilities to protect...When the shot was made from the depository - in the last and final film made public in the last couple of yrs. a man wearing a hat with an over-coat over his left arm and hand is seen on the left of the screen immediately after the shot was fired. Find that clip and watch it. This was shown on TV only once and when I tried to find it - it suddenly did not exist.

Just like those darn pink elephants - they always disappear at the most convenient of times.

Well, I rethought it again - and decided the world wasn't ready for the truth.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

Just how old did you say Oswald was in 1963. Sure are a lot of pink elephants wondering around right now.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Oswald was born in 1939
He was 24 in 1963

I've been listening to all of the tapes of Oswald when Stuckey interviewed him in 1963

here: pt 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF0KO6w4LZg&feature=PlayList&p=5B0402C8953DDCEA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

You have to connect the dots, but this recording seems to include references to Duane Weber. So he must have known Duane before August 17th, 1963.

In the following video Dallas Deputy Sheriff Al Maddox talks about a note that Jack Ruby passed him in prison. Although Maddox denies it, I believe it detailed the Ruby/Weber/Oswald connection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUiZBmm9xUA&feature=related