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SnowmmanThank You. Jerry

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Just before Kennedy was assassinated on 22 November 1963, Dallas, Texas nightclub owner Jack Ruby made contact with Carlos Marcello, and Tampa, Florida boss Santo Trafficante, about a labor problem he was having with the American Guild of Variety Artists (AGVA). Ruby was a longtime associate of the Chicago Outfit and was sent to Dallas to open up rackets for the Outfit, all while under the umbrella of the New Orleans branch of La Cosa Nostra, whose sphere of influence included Dallas.

Does the above ring a few bells Jo? Thought it would.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Geoger, 377, Orange 1 , Sluggo .Snowmann,Jo. and All , This is wishing you all ,have a wonderfull Thanks giving. Please enjoy all. Thank you all for your patience and kind words this past year. It is a pleasure Knowing all of you. Oh Quade thank's for your tollerence and guidence. Special thanks to you Geoger for your support this past year durring my time of loss. of all my family members. A lot of you don't Know How much Geoger has supported me durring my time of grief. Still you all have done the same in many ways. Thanks All. Jerry

Same back Jerry.
Hugs and Kisses & a swift kick in the butt.
Seriously, thanks. Have a good weekend -
G.

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Cooperism has taken hold.
A large segment of the public associates Cooper with FBI ineptness/beaurocracy and the rest with wackoism. I would venture to guess that among those who profess a deep knowledge (have studied?) the Cooper affair, a large segment of those have most of their facts wrong ... but they
know nontheless! Factual knowledge is seeping
away fast. That again is why I wish a historian would take this up and preserve what factual records the FBI would cooperate in allowing to be preserved...

Any opinions?

Not that my opinion means anything, because you associate me with the wackoism, but I DO agree with the words quoted and made by you on this 38th Anniversary of the Worlds Only Unsolved Skyjacking.

There are University historians working on this now and they try to remain objective. One is actually a devoted historian and the other one unfortunately, although objective, may be tainted by my story and public opinion...yet seems devoted to at least being factual. Without the co-operation of the FBI there will be NO factual accountings.

I believe that thru a factual accounting derived from the FBI files there lies suspects the FBI never considered viable. What the FBI is wary of may not be what is found, but who they trust to actually call the shots. That is a two sided statement - because of what I feel lies within those files.

A little useful trivia for this Nov 24th 2009.

1963 November 24 - Jack Ruby shot and mortally wounded Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of President John F. Kennedy, in a scene captured on live television.

Your opinion is well known.

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... time to end the story of Weber, but I thought maybe I should be a little more forthcoming about the things I have found -

It just keeps getting better. Now we can add Jack Ruby to the incredible list of dead celebs. Maybe Duane wasn't really a person but rather the grim reaper himself. Keith and Mick (yes Duane knew them too) were duly impressed and wrote a song about him.

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank
in the general's rank
When the Blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
(woo woo, woo woo)

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me
(who who, who who)

377

That isnt fair! 73s.

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377,
But ultimately who was right versus lucky?

Have a good Thanksgiving - Thanks for your wise posts.
G.

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All,


This morning, Dave Beck of KUOW Radio did a 12 minute piece on D.B. Cooper which included an interview with my favorite tall, lean, committed, focused, intense, and animated FBI Agent.
KUOW serves communities in the Puget Sound region, Western Washington and Southern British Columbia. The station is operated by KUOW Puget Sound Public Radio (PSPR) under an agreement with the University of Washington, KUOW's licensee.

It is a run-of-the-mill “anniversary season” interview, but near the end Carr talked about his role “managing” the NORJAK case as opposed to “investigating” the case. He also discusses the current priorities of the FBI as they relate to Homeland Security and a 38 year-old hijacking.

I have a link to the interview on my web-site in the “NEWS” section.


Sluggo

Have a good Thanksgiving Sluggo. Get well !!
Thanks for all you do.

G.

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Just before Kennedy was assassinated on 22 November 1963, Dallas, Texas nightclub owner Jack Ruby made contact with Carlos Marcello, and Tampa, Florida boss Santo Trafficante, about a labor problem he was having with the American Guild of Variety Artists (AGVA). Ruby was a longtime associate of the Chicago Outfit and was sent to Dallas to open up rackets for the Outfit, all while under the umbrella of the New Orleans branch of La Cosa Nostra, whose sphere of influence included Dallas.

Does the above ring a few bells Jo? Thought it would.

377

WARNING - Hell just froze over

I can't believe that I am saying this but I don't think this is fair on Jo she did just say it was a trivia remark.

Ok Hell can unfreeze now

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Jo has a new protector. I've been hoping someone would run for that office. It's been empty since she refused to stop teasing and overclaiming. I can finally turn over the badge to the new sherriff.

Is there any such thing as a "trivial" connection of a convicted criminal to Oswald, Ruby, Ray, or the people they killed?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Cook, who is in Alaska, has scaled back his attorney cases in order to prove who D.B. Cooper really was and to locate the $200,000 ransom the legendary hijacker obtained after releasing 36 passengers from a Boeing 727 at the Seattle airport Nov. 24, 1971.

"I plan to find the lost money," Cook said in a telephone interview Saturday.

In my email conversations with Galen Cook he impressed me as a solid guy, not prone to exagerration. I wonder what he has found that makes him confident enough to say what was quoted above?

I look forward to more news about his quest. The book is long overdue. It would be worth postpoining publication if you thought you were on the verge of finding irrefutable physical evidence supporting the thesis of your book.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Hey all,
happy thanksgiving ...not something we do here (though halloween has been increasingly adopted)...

jerry, hope you are holding up well

377, you sure tried long enough!

georger, at least smokejumpers is something that has a reasonable chance of being related and it's not ...THAT topic

imagine if galen cook really DOES find the money

does anyone know what the population of mississippi was in the 1960s by any chance...? (I'm presuming it wasn't that small that 2 arbitrary guys would have automatically met)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Jo has a new protector. I've been hoping someone would run for that office. It's been empty since she refused to stop teasing and overclaiming. I can finally turn over the badge to the new sherriff.

Is there any such thing as a "trivial" connection of a convicted criminal to Oswald, Ruby, Ray, or the people they killed?

377

No thanks - theres more chance of Orange or Jerry stepping up for the role than me

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Finally the democrats are learning, that it's not all about trying to be smart. Dumbing down the message so people can grok something ... it works.

I like that Gibbs said it was a million dollars per soldier per year.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/gibbs-obama-to-emphasize-exit-strategy.html

It's like I'm tired of hearing everything about Afghanistan and Iraq being some kind of loyalty test. Screw the loyalty. Save that for Ford vs Chevy pickups.

Health care is socialism, but a million bucks per soldier per year makes sense for a country? Heck, a military organization is the most socialistic organization we have in the US?

(yeah, Gibbs is not really accurate, but the point is valid, and close enough reality in terms of how we as citizens discuss and debate things)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/gibbs-obama-to-emphasize-exit-strategy.html

The problem with any military thing, is that it implicitly has to be done on a budget. But people don't want to talk about tradeoffs of cost vs risk. It's the health care debate repeated.
The only thing you're allowed to say is "Is everything technically possible at this point in time being done?"

Which really just means "Is Snowmman Industries getting as much money as they can with a good set of Powerpoint slides?"

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Just before Kennedy was assassinated on 22 November 1963, Dallas, Texas nightclub owner Jack Ruby made contact with Carlos Marcello, and Tampa, Florida boss Santo Trafficante, about a labor problem he was having with the American Guild of Variety Artists (AGVA). Ruby was a longtime associate of the Chicago Outfit and was sent to Dallas to open up rackets for the Outfit, all while under the umbrella of the New Orleans branch of La Cosa Nostra, whose sphere of influence included Dallas.

Does the above ring a few bells Jo? Thought it would.

377

WARNING - Hell just froze over

I can't believe that I am saying this but I don't think this is fair on Jo she did just say it was a trivia remark.

Ok Hell can unfreeze now

Jo's claims are nothing NEW.

Jo Weber is simply is repeating newspaper and tabloid accounts of the time.

Once again Jo is providing yet one more example
of how she pastes stories together eg. her Duane Weber story.

Jo can;t help herself.

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Heck, a military organization is the most socialistic organization we have in the US

Indeed. Prosperous communes with tanks, missiles and planes. What a thought.

Snow always sees things from a new angle which is refreshing, but sometimes scary.

Obama thinks we can accomplish what Ghenghis Kahn and the Russians could not do. They were not restrained by the same rules we are.

Obama is making the bet with our kid's lives and our tax dollars. Uh... and what is the payoff if we "finish the job" in Afghanistan? The rhetoric about removing training grounds for terrorists is laughably absurd. Do you really think theyd have trouble finding new places to learn the trade?

Follow the money.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Heck, a military organization is the most socialistic organization we have in the US

Indeed. Prosperous communes with tanks, missiles and planes. What a thought.

Snow always sees things from a new angle which is refreshing, but sometimes scary.

Obama thinks we can accomplish what Ghenghis Kahn and the Russians could not do. They were not restrained by the same rules we are.

Obama is making the bet with our kid's lives and our tax dollars. Uh... and what is the payoff if we "finish the job" in Afghanistan? The rhetoric about removing training grounds for terrorists is laughably absurd. Do you really think theyd have trouble finding new places to learn the trade?

Follow the money.

377

Stow the BS. Its Thanksgiving.

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My point exactly. On days like thanksgiving, I give thanks. I give thanks for people thinking things thru for themselves, for seeking alternate opinions, and for using every inch of the magical brain they've been given.

I give thanks that 2009 is not 1944 and not 1991 and not 1985.
I give thanks that tomorrow is always unknown and what we can make of it.
I give thanks that McCain threw the election on purpose, by chosing Palin.

It is not dissent or assholes that we should be afraid of. We have to embrace dissent. Somehow we've forgotten that.

I will never be like you. Multiply that by 200 million.

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Just before Kennedy was assassinated on 22 November 1963, Dallas, Texas nightclub owner Jack Ruby made contact with Carlos Marcello, and Tampa, Florida boss Santo Trafficante, about a labor problem he was having with the American Guild of Variety Artists (AGVA). Ruby was a longtime associate of the Chicago Outfit and was sent to Dallas to open up rackets for the Outfit, all while under the umbrella of the New Orleans branch of La Cosa Nostra, whose sphere of influence included Dallas.

Does the above ring a few bells Jo? Thought it would.

377

WARNING - Hell just froze over

I can't believe that I am saying this but I don't think this is fair on Jo she did just say it was a trivia remark.

Ok Hell can unfreeze now

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Thank You:

Guess What you are 100% right. I copied the statement word for word right out the newspaper. This trivia column is about what happened on this day going back for yrs.

This column is called HISTORY Today.

1974 Zachary Taylor the 12th
President of the us, was born in Orange County, VA.

1944 During World War II US bonbers based on Siapan Attacked Tokyo in the first raid againinst the Japanese capital by land-based planes.

This column went on and on and on. Ruby was Just one of the things that caught my eye along with this one

1971 Hijacker "D. B. Cooper" parachuted from a Northwest Orient Airlines 727 over Washington state with $200,000 in ransom - his fate remains unknown.

The newspaper is the Daily News.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091105/full/news.2009.1058.html

Archaeologists claim to have found the oldest known artefact in the Americas,
a scraper-like tool in an Oregon cave that dates back 14,230 years.

The tool shows that people were living in North America well before the
widespread Clovis culture of 12,900 to 12,400 years ago, says archaeologist
Dennis Jenkins of the University of Oregon in Eugene.

Studies of sediment and radiocarbon dating showed the bone's age. Jenkins
presented the finding late last month in a lecture at the University of Oregon.

His team found the tool in a rock shelter overlooking a lake in south-central
Oregon, one of a series of caves near the town of Paisley.
...
Whether the cave dwellers were Clovis people or belonged to an earlier culture
is uncertain. None of the Clovis people's distinct fluted spear and arrow points
have been found in the cave.

"They can't yet rule out the Paisley Cave people weren't Clovis," says Jon
Erlandson, an archaeologist at the University of Oregon who wasn't involved in
the research.
...
Last year, Jenkins and colleagues reported that Paisley Cave coprolites, or
fossilized human excrement, dated to 14,000 to 14,270 years ago. That report
established the Paisley Caves as a key site for American archaeology.

Analysis of ancient DNA marked the coprolites as human. But in July, another
group argued that the coprolites might be younger than the sediments that
contained them.

This team, led by Hendrik Poinar of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario,
also questioned the 2008 report because no artefacts had been found in the
crucial sediments. The Oregon team strongly disputed the criticisms.

The dating of the bone tool, and the finding that the sediments encasing it
range from 11,930 to 14,480 years old, might put these questions to rest. "You
couldn't ask for better dated stratigraphy," Jenkins told the Oregon meeting.

"They have definitely made their argument even stronger," says Todd Surovell,
an archaeologist at the University of Wyoming in Laramie who was not involved
in the research.
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Jo, I have never made fun of you nor would I. The fact is i have asked you for supporting documentation and to date none has arrived. I don't want tax returns. Send me something that puts Duane in the Pacific Northwest (on his own free will). Send me something that proves Duane had received jump instruction. Send me something that proves Duane had knowledge of 727 operation.

I have a question too, if I understand, you assert that Duane burned the money? .

This old post shows you exactly what we have for FBI. I NEVER have claimed Duane burned the money. I did tell a story about the ex burning something in the shed and caught it on fire before the FBI went to visit her. It was her own daughter who told me this and she also told me that she knew Duane was Cooper. The FBI knew of this information...but did not go question her. She died a couple of yrs later without the FBI ever going back to talk to that daughter. They also took 7 yrs before giving the night clerk the courtesy of a call and only after he dropped a written statement off at the Portland office.

The FBI is asking me to provide supporting information in that post. Why me? That is their job. I had tried to prove that Duane had jump experience and knowledge of the 727 (I even told them where and when). This FBI agent had the gall to ask me to send proof that Duane had jump experience and knowledge of the 727. The FBI claimed to have interviewed individuals and supposedly investigated the background of Weber - they already had the answers to the questions, right?

I asked the FBI repeatedly for the criminal files and Carr promised on this thread to send them - I never got them. Carr was just a player - and show person. He was a smoke screen to divert any investigation away from Weber. I have NO idea why they even used the TIE because they had NO proof it belonged to Cooper. It was found on or between the seats in the area Cooper sat...and could have been left there by the prior passenger. This was after all the last leg of a flight with several stops.

I got some information for CARR - the proof was in the FBI files and in the background of Weber.. Maybe one of the other agents found it and didn't think it was important and just tossed it before Carr took over. Maybe it got misfiled. Maybe it this and maybe that - and Maybe they had enough to think Weber was Cooper...but had other reasons or orders NOT to disclose their interest in Weber. Otherwise, why even bothered to do the DNA.

14 yrs and they just sat on their hands with what they had - because it might jeopardize national secruity...I was chasing something yrs ago and got shutdown in my own steps because of this. Several time I tried to get hold of certain information...everytime I was denied - WHY? When the FBI refuses to disclose information to the very person who held the missing pieces - there is a good reason, right? Oh I forgot - a matter of National Security.

Yes, I am very sarcastic right now and later on when you find out what I know - you to will think OMG - what was the purpose of non disclosure if he was NOT Cooper. Oh I keep forgetting - a matter of National Securtiy!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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? Why would the night clerk burn the money? It wasn't that cold that night.

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http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091105/full/news.2009.1058.html

Archaeologists claim to have found the oldest known artefact in the Americas,
a scraper-like tool in an Oregon cave that dates back 14,230 years.

The tool shows that people were living in North America well before the
widespread Clovis culture of 12,900 to 12,400 years ago, ......Last year, Jenkins and colleagues reported that Paisley Cave coprolites, or
fossilized human excrement, dated to 14,000 to 14,270 years ago. That report
established the Paisley Caves as a key site for American archaeology.
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er, i'm not sure what this has to do with Cooper.
Was it put there to provoke me into responding?
We have the "Cradle of humankind"
Amongst the most remarkable findings to have been made by numerous world famous scientists within the Cradle of Humankind is the famous Mrs. Ples, the first complete Australopithecus skull to be discovered and more recently, “Little Foot”, a 4.17 million-year-old almost complete ape-man skeleton was also discovered in the same caves.


more on http://www.places.co.za/html/sterkfontein_caves.html

Ah - there is a link!!
Also in 1938 a single ape-man tooth was found at the Cooper's site between Kromdraai and Sterkfontein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_Humankind

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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No proof that it was Coopers necktie?

It's the FBI's job to get supporting information yet they should disseminate existing files (information) to the general public? If so, contact the Department of Justice with your resume and fill the position of FBI Director in order to get this organization some traction once again. How many other crimes are they letting go unsolved?

It's clear the Lindberg kidnapper was innocent (forget not guilty) and framed in order to quiet public outcry for blood with a Teutonic accent.

The FBI and Treasury Department collaborated in placing thousands of dollars in gold certificates in Hauptmann's garage. Of course they had to use a man from another state, otherwise the FBI could not get involved. It's so obvious if only you people would think with the brains the good lord gave a goose.

Then the Treasury Department forced a bank employee to report receiving a gold certificate from a business in Brooklyn. As if something as mundane as a diligent teller could possibly be considered a credible source. Puuuhlease.

Here is where the FBI writes Hauptmann's license plate number on the margin of the gold certificate and forces a gas station attendant to admit he filled Hauptmann's car and scribed the tag numbers on the bill. There's no proof that the bill was not from a previous customer and this Goober working at the filling station just got confused.

Now the state police arrest Hauptmann and plant another gold certificate in his wallet. Why can't people see that marked money will never replace what a person just knows. Especially if what that person 'just knows' is corroborated by another person who 'just knows.' And both of them have been saying this for years and years and years and years. Why won't they listen and quit dithering with bank robberies? That's what police are paid for.

Now for the pinnacle of government sponsored mass deception. The FBI 'claims' the ladder used for the kidnapping was constructed from boards removed from Hauptmann's attic. Good night Irene, I guess the creative writers at Quantico were fresh out of plausible ideas when they decided to frame Hauptmann with this gem. The only thing more astonishing was the public consumption of this tale with absolutely no proof. That wood could have come out of any attic.

Adding to all of this is one undeniable fact which the FBI so conveniently overlooked; Hauptmann said he did not do it. Heelllloooooo FBI anyone home? I handed them the identity of the 'true' offender on a silver platter and they requested a copy of his birth certificate from me. That's THEIR job. I don't have time for all that, plus I had already sent them a Marie Callendar's discount coupon and a Clutch Cargo PEZ dispenser, what more do they need?

Oh well, the FBI can have it for all I care, what's the point? I'm not about to surrender my dignity.

Happy Thanksgiving! And to all a good flight.....

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Farflung:

If everything you say is correct, why has there been a coverup in the USA of the DNA evidence showing that the father of the three children of Ms. Hesshaimer in Germany, is 99.9 percent likely to be Charles Lindbergh?

see other details here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/no-flight-of-fancy-german-siblings-prove-lindbergh-was-their-father-737284.html

The USA coverup was apparently organized by 3 individuals with ties to Harry Whittington.

Was Whittington's attempted murder connected to this?

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Farflung - LOL!

Snow, the USA cover-up evidently hasn't extended to the internet. Quick, print that link out before all the related evidence mysteriously... disappears. I know that the FBI can go through the net and remove all traces of evidences. It's true, I read it on the internet.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.