DB Cooper

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G said
"Morons never know they are morons."

A complete tautology?
Covers all cases of observer and observed.
Should get the Orange1 stamp of approval?

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I am not holding you in suspense - you are holding your self in suspense

We dont really know who and what Jo is or what she is up to.

Jo is telling you that you do not know who you are
or what you yourself are up to.

Believe Jo.

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I am not holding you in suspense - you are holding your self in suspense

We dont really know who and what Jo is or what she is up to.

Jo is telling you that you do not know who you are
or what you yourself are up to.

Believe Jo.

I only believe posts that are in bold or red letters. Blinking is more ideal. Popups are good. The best are the little stuttered animations of women with long hair doing anything.
Excuse me, there's an ad here where it looks like Catherine Zeta Jones is trying to call me.

Here's what I don't get: There was all this consternation about TV when it came out, and how it was dumbing things down. How come there's not the same consternation about the Internet? Is it because you can type things in, therefore it means it's better than TV? Isn't the internet just TV with a keyboard?

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Catherine Zeta Jones IS trying to call you. Pick up the phone Snow.

I tried finding an audio file of Galen Cook's recent Coast to Coast appearance, but you have to pay to join their Coast to Coast AM group before you can download. I just can't stomach funding such moronic broadcasts. It will probably show up free on You Tube eventually.

Their index of past shows is actually pretty funny: UFOs, EMP attacks, cold fusion, numerologically based doomsday topics, etc. etc. I just can't suspend my belief in physics enough to really enjoy the ride.

I had a girlfriend in college who was a free spirited liberal arts major. She was far less constrained by science than I was. She tought it a shame that I couldn't find the hope and joy that she did in thinking about cars that run on water, anti gravity aircraft that could levivtate, etc. I think the Maharishi figured how to make money off people of similar mind, who thought they could levivtate if given the right training, mantras etc.

Hey, if levitation really worked do ya think notoriously cheap skydivers would still pay money to jump? No way. End of subject.

I cannot, however, prove that human levitation is impossible, therefore it exists. The FBI has refused to investigate it adding yet further proof. Sorry, Orange, I just couldn't resist.

Have we given up on Braden? I thought he looked pretty promising.

Hope Bruce is doing OK. I miss him on the forum.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Given the urgency of Jo's situation, and the depth of the coverup, there is only one conceivable plan.

I sneak into the next big White House party, and tear off my tux showing a t-shirt that says "Duane Was Cooper".

Sure I'll get tazed, but the world will know and justice will reign supreme. And Catherine Zeta Jones will call me.

I even know what I'll blurt out as I'm wrestled to the ground. It will be on the cover of the Daily News the next day...

"I did it for Catherine"

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I was typing a good and what I hoped to be a very informative post and POOF it was gone.

Maybe another day, someday - right now I am too tired. Today was a PJ day - cold and wet in Florida. Time for hot tea and time to make one of the hardest decisions I have ever had to make in my life.

Going public in 2000 was easy - a rookie agent didn't know how to handle a persistent widow and lied to her. BAD mistake!. That year started an avalange of Cooper suspects that plagues the FBI to this day...the re-opening of an old case they had hoped would just fade away into the Sunset.

Snowmman and Georger - they are optical illusions - no I meant diversons. Well, maybe they are both or neither. I will think about it later. Much later.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo:
You should call Galen Cook, apologize, and ask him to help you tell your story on Coast to Coast. It'll be great! I bet 377 would even register in support.

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I've been working on and off with Project DBbook, a somewhat black FAA/USAF project.

They just published the findings on Sept 2, 2009. I forgot to mention it.

http://www.amazon.com/D-B-Cooper-Jeppesen-Administration/dp/6130062702/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259722362&sr=1-1

If people have difficulty getting the book, just send the money to 377 thru paypal.

They published the new secret stuff about Duane Weber and how Jo has covered it up for 13 years.

Some unauthorized photos also.

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I was searching the woods of southern Washington and minding my own business. I looked up and there was a military harness and tattered remains of a canopy. I reached up and grabbed one of the D-rings when I realized they will think I did it! I can't prove I wasn't there and knew full well the FBI would do anything to pin this on me like Oswald or just take me out like Mansfield and Monroe. If a pair of buxom blondes couldn't stop them what chance did I have, even with my doe like eyes and impish smile.

I had to think and act fast. I could hear the loping chop of a Huey's rotor blade in the distance and knew there was a seat waiting for me in 'Business Class.' I made a bee line for the nearest creek and began to run down the center while instinctively soiling myself to throw the dogs off my path. My mind was racing as I tromped further and further down the abyss with capture my constant companion. I had to find a place to hide while things cooled off. My survival instincts were operating at their peak when I was finally seated in the Waffle House. I could trust no one so I had to play it smooth and measure the locals reaction to my presence.

The waitress was friendly at first then suddenly back away as if she knew what I had done in the woods. I tried to play it cool by asking detailed questions about various menu items but she kept backing away looking for a chance to drop a dime on me, no doubt. I ordered a Number 2 and coffee. An ordinary family came in and sat in an adjoining booth when the waitress blew my cover. Here's your Number 2, she said and quickly left. The family stared me down briefly and with the look on their faces which betrayed seeing a probable hijacker they left before ordering. Time was running out.

I walked up to the waitress and while reaching for my wallet said 'let me pay you for that.' Her face morphed into abject fear as she shook her head and coughed 'no charge, it's free today.' That's when I knew that family was driving to the FBI with my description. I quickly went back to my table and discretely rubbed my prints off the utensils and cup. Then walked out and found a place in the shadows.

Just as I thought, the waitress was handling my dishes like a crime scene and placing them in a garbage bag for the authorities. She looked agitated as she kept flailing her arms and pointing to where I was sitting. At one moment it looked like she was about to get physically ill and who could blame her. She thought she had just served D B himself and that would do a number on anyone.

The only way out is to find a willing patsy to take the heat for this crime, but who?

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Given the urgency of Jo's situation, and the depth of the coverup, there is only one conceivable plan.

I sneak into the next big White House party, and tear off my tux showing a t-shirt that says "Duane Was Cooper".

Sure I'll get tazed, but the world will know and justice will reign supreme. And Catherine Zeta Jones will call me.

I even know what I'll blurt out as I'm wrestled to the ground. It will be on the cover of the Daily News the next day...

"I did it for Catherine"

Jo isn't Katherine Houghton and you ain;t Boggy.

Kate Houghton was Katherine Hepburn.

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Jo:
You should call Galen Cook, apologize, and ask him to help you tell your story on Coast to Coast. It'll be great! I bet 377 would even register in support.

I support that! Jo should be on Coast-to-Coast every nite. But will they allow her in the Mothership?

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Farf said:
"I ordered a Number 2 and coffee."

I call bullshit on this part of the story.
There is no Number 2 at Waffle House.

You order off the placemat. See attached. There are local variants, and of course the lunch/dinner version after breakfast. I left that off because most people are already familiar with that one.

The rest of the story sounds right.

(edit) Oh a good trivia question for SchlitzNGrins: "Can you order pancakes at Waffle House?".
Answer: No.

(A lot of DBC pretenders blow it by mentioning pancakes. DBC didn't get no pancakes. See FBI evidence).

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I was typing a good and what I hoped to be a very informative post and POOF it was gone.

POOF? POOF is the new "the dog ate my homework."

photo of inmate smokejumpers: POOF

Duane's suspicious airline ticket: POOF

Evidence that Duane jumped: POOF

Etc. Etc.

Promises PROOF. Delivers POOF.

Seriously Jo. Go on Coast to Coast. Your appearance may stir up someone who can put Duane in a chute or connect him to Boeing 727 airdrop tests. What have you got to lose? You'd reach a huge audience and they'd warmly receive your complaints about FBI misbehavior.

Don't let Galen steal the show.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Quite the opposite. Cooper would have listened
as McCoy rambled. Cooper might have exchanged
a few general remarks like: 'yes, the world has
gone to hell' . Then Cooper thinking McCoy was a damned fool sets out to act
on his own impulses, first, possibly even thinking
thefinger will be pointed at McCoy .

Ah..yes, OK. I had assumed because Cooper did it first the scenario was unlikely..but your sketch is a perfectly reasonable chain of events.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Promises PROOF. Delivers POOF.

That got me laughing out loud!!

Classic!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Jo:
You should call Galen Cook, apologize, and ask him to help you tell your story on Coast to Coast. It'll be great! I bet 377 would even register in support.

Indeed I would. I'd sign up immediately.

Jo must get tired of performing before such an unappreciative and jaded audience as she finds here on dropzone.com. There are many thousands of Coast to Coast listeners who are pre qualified for believing far out conspiracy theories, things dematerializing (POOF), FBI malfeasance and assasination coverups. Jo will be preaching to the choir so to speak.

Maybe, just maybe, Jo's appearance on Coast to Coast would bring someone with relevant information out of the woodwork, just like it did for Galen Cook when Gossett's son called in.

Why not expose the Duane was Cooper theory to a far wider and far more receptive audience Jo? You have beaten your head against this forum wall of harsh critics for years. You don't have to leave here, but you can expand into far greener pastures.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Quite the opposite. Cooper would have listened
as McCoy rambled. Cooper might have exchanged
a few general remarks like: 'yes, the world has
gone to hell' . Then Cooper thinking McCoy was a damned fool sets out to act
on his own impulses, first, possibly even thinking
thefinger will be pointed at McCoy .

Ah..yes, OK. I had assumed because Cooper did it first the scenario was unlikely..but your sketch is a perfectly reasonable chain of events.

I really like that kind of thinking out of the box. That kind of scenario could be written into an interesting crime fiction book. Good job. I wonder if defense lawyers have considered it.

"ladies and gentlemen of the jury: the evidence will show that a week before the crime, my client was drinking and boasting at his favorite bar seated next to a gentlemen who bore a surprising resemblance to himself...

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Quite the opposite. Cooper would have listened
as McCoy rambled. Cooper might have exchanged
a few general remarks like: 'yes, the world has
gone to hell' . Then Cooper thinking McCoy was a damned fool sets out to act
on his own impulses, first, possibly even thinking
thefinger will be pointed at McCoy .

Ah..yes, OK. I had assumed because Cooper did it first the scenario was unlikely..but your sketch is a perfectly reasonable chain of events.

I really like that kind of thinking out of the box. That kind of scenario could be written into an interesting crime fiction book. Good job. I wonder if defense lawyers have considered it.

"ladies and gentlemen of the jury: the evidence will show that a week before the crime, my client was drinking and boasting at his favorite bar seated next to a gentlemen who bore a surprising resemblance to himself...

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you cant be missing if you arent noticed missing, even if you are missing. And maybe you arent missing! It is very intriguing to me that nobody, as far as we know, ever surfaced with a match to the widly publicised Cooper posters. Something vital is missing in this and it is NOT
Jo Weber's yo-yo juddling and 'smorgasbord' retrofitting of Duane Weber for all ocassions, even including now, the JFK assasination!

Jo has undone her case through her endless inept retrofitting and remodeling of Duane to fit every
known or anticipated fact of the Cooper case. And Duane was not on Apollo-13 either! Time to get back to business... in the real Cooper case.

The Gentleman hyjacker suggests a profile. The
Raleigh profile refines that. Of all the candidates examined that we know of, only McCoy spent time
around Raleigh profile types. Thats a fact.

If the hyjacker had calculated the odds and decided
escape by parachute was 'no big deal' the very
choice of that method tends to point fingers at .. people like McCoy, especially if McCoy himself is known to be planning his own hyjacking! And if
the plan is 'to never be found' then it falls back
on the FBI (scratching its heads) to figure it out -
and you dont ask for too much ransom so maybe
NWA and the insurers will just drop it and let it go?

If I had interviewed McCoy I would have played
with his ego and tried to get him to reveal his
feelings about the Cooper hyjacking. Did McCoy
think he had been beaten to the punch, outwitted,
or set up? Maybe he was? What did he think about
Cooper? He obviously had it on his mind being the
ego he was! He might have known something he
didn;t know he even knew?

Because, the only other option is these hyjackings
are examples of Independent Invention, used the
same technique with the same airplane separated by time but very similar .... and something accounts for that.

Independent invention is not rare but it requires an underlying common denominator, eg. two people inventing the calculus independently separated by not much time, or, three nations all trying to develop the atomic bomb all at the same time,
unrelated? No.

When Agent Carr says McCoy was the 'real McCoy'
Agent Carr is not just saying McCoy was a real
known hyjacker; Agent Carr is saying McCoy represents a 'profile' of traits and social-psycholpogical facts. Something links Cooper and McCoy and all hyjackers of airplanes. The only question is how deep does it go. But McCoy fits a specific profile, ie. someone who would have been 'provocotive' in most academic environments
and he had a 'big mouth with much to prove'.

McCoy was not an academic in any sense but
comes back and tried to integrate into academia
for the purpose of social transition and upward
mobility, from military to civilian life. Many people can make this transition. McCoy could not and given McCoy's personality this was predictable (on the Seashore college predictability scale). Given McCoy's nature, McCoy was bound to be problematic and produce sparks ewpecially during the Vietnam Conflict, in any academic environment; intense passions and frustrations on both sides. Academic environments are great sponges where people and people's ideas get absorbed and sometimes actualised - this happened regularly on college and university campuses during the Vietnam Conflict.
An idea expressed by person X filters down
through others who in turn traslate that idea in terms of their own needs and may actualise the ideas - I suspect McCoy would have resented that kind of thing deeply while also stumbling into it,
to his own detriment. That is how academia operates
on a daily basis! Academia is a very caustic environment for some people ... I dont think academia did much to help McCoy's self esteem.

Cooper gave quite a performance on flight 305.
Compare his tactics with those of McCoy. They
are different. If I understand these hyjackings
McCoy opted for personal (close in) control
vs. Cooper who opted for more impersonal
global control via a bomb. That spells a fundamental difference in approach and outlook
and training. McCoy is relying on personal control
and asking for far more money - Cooper is relying
on impersonal control and asking for less money!
This difference amounts to a difference in identity and backgrounds between the two hyjackers.

It would be interesting to examine the social
networks McCoy interacted with during his academic
days, especially looking for someone who goes
missing or has some sudden life change around
the end of 1971, prior to McCoy's hyjacking. It
would have been interesting to interview
people in McCoy's former academic circle to discover exactly who he interacted with and their reactions to their former 'associate' McCoy becoming a hyjacker.

If nothing else, you learn something about the process of hyjacking. And you don;t know until you explore it.

Something links McCoy and Cooper and the only question is 'how much of a coincidence can this be'?
Both McCoy and Cooper hyjack in the same NWA
venue from Utah to Washington. (Why didnt Cooper do his NWA hyjacking in California or elsewhere?)
McCoy shows up and suddenly hyjackings start, or
is this just my imagination/ignorance of basic facts?


G.

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The USAF Special Operations Command (AFSOC) is poised to accept the first of ten Polish built PZL M-28 Skytrucks (licence built An-28) for the covert insertion of small teams of Special Forces.

http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2009/m28.php

Seems to be a fleet of military special ops aircraft that are not the normal type such as C 130 Hercs. Little Polish turboprops hauling US Special Forces? Hmmm... I wonder where these will be used.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Why not expose the Duane was Cooper theory to a far wider and far more receptive audience Jo? You have beaten your head against this forum wall of harsh critics for years. You don't have to leave here, but you can expand into far greener pastures.

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There is absolutely NO reason to go anywhere to tell what I know.
I have not decided what to do with the information of recent, but I believe that you guys will be interested in some photos I have acquired.

This examply is only one, but there are hundreds more where this came from. With all of the ears looking big - and lots of Cooper look-alikes there are literally 100's of Cooper suspect for you guys to investigate. Some of these guys (not in this specific photo) were NOT military. Some were on loan from prisons (furloughs). Maybe 3 or 4 in another photo were receiving jump training for a fire crew? Maybe they were being trained for what could be a death mission? Maybe they were being trained for a private group for reasons not to be known?

Regardless - I thought you guys might like the opportunity to really find Cooper suspects. Don't forget the Salt Lake City photo of the guy NO ONE wanted to identify.

Note I include truths with just miscellaneous trivia, but the truth as we have discovered it is not for public knowledge at this time. I haven't decided what I am going to do.

Nothing goes POOF forever. I often hit a wrong button or my computer looses the connection - that is all I meant by my post going POOF! Yes, the prison jumpers went POOF - I may never know why I could not find it again - but, it did exist.

Nothing I have acquired lately has gone poof. I have made point, but you guys would rather chase Cooper with a Comic Book (that is what the FBI is doing). These new FBI agents are not very good at anything except hijacking ideas (such as Carr did with the Dan Cooper Comics) on the FBI site. Carr never gave you guys in this forum credit for that and it is ridiculous the FBI would even print the notion as a clue on their site. Not that the idea was ridiculous - but using it as part of the Cooper profile is.

Make fun of me if you wish, but how will you feel if I go public? How will you explain your actions at that time? Will you be embarrassed? Or will you continue on your merry way ridiculing me and anyone else who has a suspect...other than your own.

Attached photo only a sample of the many available.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Finding some chump to take the fall was going to be a tall order. In the mean time I would have to keep the FBI searching elsewhere. Following dead end leads and chasing shadows to places where the sun never shines. Like an animal being hunted I would have to keep moving while trying to blend into the local surroundings. How many plates could I possibly keep spinning at the same time? I needed a new identity so the name Max Guano had become second nature and most people recognized me as that.

Hitchhiking all the way to Kingman, Arizona , I was able to fashion a crude but practical shovel out of six Taco Bell sporks which were secreted out of the restaurant in a body cavity. What else could I have done? I was desperate so I removed the sporks and thanked the hobo for his help. It's in situations like these when you learn who you can truly trust.

The desert soil gave way little by little as I dug under the fence surrounding that desolate airport. Once inside what lay before me was a cornucopia of Boeing airframes in suspended animation, long forgotten as the apex of travel for the twentieth century. But I didn't come this far just to get sentimental, nope this was a mission for my freedom and nothing was going to stop me.

There was my quarry, a three engined narrow body with the ability to drag its tail. Once inside I realized how useful some basic hand tools would have been to bring along. My frustration manifested in rage which was quickly subdued after racking myself on an armrest in row 14. It's amazing how dark the interior of a 727 can be. Along with the tools a flashlight would have been a pretty good accessory. I would have to McGuyver some sort of light and resourcefully pierced the darkness by chewing wint-o-green, Life Savers really fast.

Feeling around in the dark I grasp what was clearly the handle for the stairs. Upon waking I realized how little pressure is required for release. As I lay there the slow sensation came over me that I could not feel anything from the waist down. I had to drag myself through the fence and fill the hole and throw the shovel into the airport. After all the cops would never imagine anyone digging themselves out. Suddenly I felt a shooting pain in my back and reached behind and removed a coiled piece of aviation grade plastic. This must have pinched a nerve as the feeling to my legs returned. It was a long walk back to Portland, but at least I could walk. The journey had been successful as I was returning with the Emergency Opening instructions for a 727's air stairs.

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Why not expose the Duane was Cooper theory to a far wider and far more receptive audience Jo? You have beaten your head against this forum wall of harsh critics for years. You don't have to leave here, but you can expand into far greener pastures.

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There is absolutely NO reason to go anywhere to tell what I know.
I have not decided what to do with the information of recent, but I believe that you guys will be interested in some photos I have acquired.

This examply is only one, but there are hundreds more where this came from. With all of the ears looking big - and lots of Cooper look-alikes there are literally 100's of Cooper suspect for you guys to investigate. Some of these guys (not in this specific photo) were NOT military. Some were on loan from prisons (furloughs). Maybe 3 or 4 in another photo were receiving jump training for a fire crew? Maybe they were being trained for what could be a death mission? Maybe they were being trained for a private group for reasons not to be known?

Regardless - I thought you guys might like the opportunity to really find Cooper suspects. Don't forget the Salt Lake City photo of the guy NO ONE wanted to identify.

Note I include truths with just miscellaneous trivia, but the truth as we have discovered it is not for public knowledge at this time. I haven't decided what I am going to do.

Nothing goes POOF forever. I often hit a wrong button or my computer looses the connection - that is all I meant by my post going POOF! Yes, the prison jumpers went POOF - I may never know why I could not find it again - but, it did exist.

Nothing I have acquired lately has gone poof. I have made point, but would rather chase Cooper with a Comic Book (that is what the FBI is doing). These new FBI agents are not very good at anything except hijacking ideas (such as Carr did with the Dan Cooper Comics) on the FBI site. Carr never gave you guys in this forum credit for that and it is ridiculous the FBI would even print the notion as a clue their site. Not that the idea was ridiculous - but using it as part of the Cooper profile is.

Make fun of me if you wish, but how will you feel if I go public? How will you explain your actions at that time? Will you be embarassed? Or will you continue on your merry way ridiculing me and anyone else who has a suspect...other than your own.

Jo you never will go public.

Jo you need to change your attitude.

Local news starts now.

Click!

[edit] whatif someone else goes public first!
Say by Christmas or early in January...
Better hurry up Jo.

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Finding some chump to take the fall was going to be a tall order. In the mean time I would have to keep the FBI searching elsewhere. Following dead end leads and chasing shadows to places where the sun never shines. Like an animal being hunted I would have to keep moving while trying to blend into the local surroundings. How many plates could I possibly keep spinning at the same time? I needed a new identity so the name Max Guano had become second nature and most people recognized me as that.

Sorry. Duane never used that name, according to Jo.

Try 'Jimmie the Jammer'. (sexual metaphor only!)
Milk fists and glass jaw.

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I forgot to put this picture document in - but having a hard time making it a picture.

Hope this works so you can see for yourself. All of these RANGERS! Hundreds and they were NOT all military. This picture is just one of over 100's available.

This is just one picked at random and means nothing - just an example. Even if you found a suspect among all of the jumpers in this mass file - it would NOT prove any one of them was Cooper. BUT, it beats where you guys have been going so far to find your Cooper.

Also attaching 1962 Prison release photo of Weber. Not very clear because it is just a paper copy and not a photo.
Note the nose is NOT large in this photo and face forward you will see a smile not usually seen.

Sorry about the quality of the photo but it is what I have. If anyone knows how to get a photo copy from Canon, please advise. He looks like he is dressed right out of the give-a-way box infront of the Mission.
I do not believe I have made this available before. At that time I was 22 and my parents would never have allowed me to date this man - the one I see in that release pic.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I love that part where the cops were chasing Duane across the desert, and he has to stop for gas, and they think they have him, but he holds the gas pump nozzle up, and draws hard on his Raleigh, and they hesitate, because they think he's going to blow up the gas station, and then he lights the nozzle and sprays it like a flame thrower and jumps in the red thunderbird, and burns out, leaving the cops running for cover as their car explodes in flames....

and then the camera pans back to the gas station, where this local waitress, in a too-tight dress, looks out the door at Duane's getaway with a look that's half disgust, half wonder, but mostly longing.

Duane hammers it into fourth, while lighting another Raleigh, and checking out the waitress in the rear view, all at the same time.

God....Duane was the best.