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377: The idea of convicts being furloughed from MO state prisons for Ranger training and then jumping in top secret special HALO ops is very imaginative and entirely absurd.

Jo: You are wrong - it is not imaginative nor absurd. You have to think about the politics of the 50' and 60's. The prison "fuloughs" really happened and ex-con being taught to jump Really Happened.



OK Jo. Show me proof of convicts/prisoners receiving jump training. No Poof. PROOF. You said: "You are wrong.". Prove I am wrong.

You can't maintain proficiency as a jumper without regular jumping. The occassional "meetings" you refer to would not suffice. How often did Duane jump? Where? Whose aircraft?

Put Duane in a chute. Simple request but guaranteed to produce dodges, excuses, expressions of fear, teases etc.

I am glad that we had Ultra Rangers to do the jobs nobody else wanted to do. Real Rangers lusted for tough assignments. They didn't like cleaning latrines.

Duane was a patriot hero. The FBI knows it. It pains them to suppress the truth but they have no choice. Have some sympathy for them Jo. Keeping you in the dark is essential. National security is at stake. They mean you no harm.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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While I was up at those two old forest fire lookout tires, I got startled one time when I turned around and there was this old guy...just like 20 feet away...He wasn't facing me, wasn't looking at me, wasn't saying anything.

Which seems ordinary, except this was like in the middle of nowhere and I hadn't seen anyone for miles. In fact for 2 days.

So I say "Howdy". And he turns, kind of acting like he didn't know I was there. And he says "Howdy"...And we look at each other for a while. Waiting for the other to go first.

So I take my chances and say "I found a Duane Weber graffiti".
And he says "Yep".

Another 2 minute pause.

So I figure I'd roll the dice and ask "Why did Duane do it?"

And he looked at me like I was stupid. He bent to pick up a paper bag at his feet, and started to walk off. He hesitated, turned and this is exactly what he said:

"Cause they paved paradise and put up some damn lookout towers"

With that he was off, but I couldn't keep up with him thru the thick blackberry bushes. My legs were scratched to hell, but that was it, he was gone.

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377: The idea of convicts being furloughed from MO state prisons for Ranger training and then jumping in top secret special HALO ops is very imaginative and entirely absurd.

Jo: You are wrong - it is not imaginative nor absurd. You have to think about the politics of the 50' and 60's. The prison "fuloughs" really happened and ex-con being taught to jump Really Happened.



OK Jo. Show me proof of convicts/prisoners receiving jump training. No Poof. PROOF. You said: "You are wrong.". Prove I am wrong.

You can't maintain proficiency as a jumper without regular jumping. The occassional "meetings" you refer to would not suffice. How often did Duane jump? Where? Whose aircraft?

Put Duane in a chute. Simple request but guaranteed to produce dodges, excuses, expressions of fear, teases etc.

I am glad that we had Ultra Rangers to do the jobs nobody else wanted to do. Real Rangers lusted for tough assignments. They didn't like cleaning latrines.

Duane was a patriot hero. The FBI knows it. It pains them to suppress the truth but they have no choice. Have some sympathy for them Jo. Keeping you in the dark is essential. National security is at stake. They mean you no harm.

377



377 she said EX-CON. I thought a number of skydivers had criminal records so I don't think there is any news in what she is saying - or any relevance.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Agent H said, on TV, that Cooper used foul language aboard the NWA 727. There appears to be no evidence to back up his statement.

Why did he say it? Was he trying to mislead? Just seemed odd.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Geoger. Outstanding and very well writen. I wish I could be allowed to have this published in the Pensocola Fla newspaper as well as Atlanta & Marieta Ga, New York Times and the associated Press. Then all can see the real Duane Weber story and not that of the fiction writing of the few.This would finally repair some of the damage Jo has done. Jerry

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Agent H said, on TV, that Cooper used foul language aboard the NWA 727. There appears to be no evidence to back up his statement.

Why did he say it? Was he trying to mislead? Just seemed odd.

377



Why does anyone say anything? The proof is here in the posters.
The problem is you're holding H. to some higher standard.
He's just a B.S. artist.

remember the conversation sluggo had with him?

Everyone involved is a b.s. artist!...well not artist, because they're bad at it. b.s. pretender?

Duane was the only one good at b.s.

Duane was the best!

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Everyone involved is a b.s. artist!...well not artist, because they're bad at it. b.s. pretender?



Even Angel Udell? Tina too?

Is there nothing sacred?
This is deeply unsettling.
Don't rob us of our precious illusions Snowmman.

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Everyone involved is a b.s. artist!...well not artist, because they're bad at it. b.s. pretender?



Even Angel Udell? Tina too?

Is there nothing sacred?
This is deeply unsettling.
Don't rob us of our precious illusions Snowmman.

377



It's great how Tina provides a needed element of the story. I think you're right. She provides the virgin mary aspect.

Duane Weber once went to the Virgin Islands. They are now called The Islands.

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So I had this idea after reading the news about Zazi.

Those permits for coffee carts in New York City are damn hard to come by. Better than a hack license, or a license for a horse cart around Central Park. Better than a salmon fishing license.

So I figured I'd visit him in prison and work a deal to buy it off him. I mean, what's he going to do with it now? He's done.

So I go there, and I brought a coffee, with a plastic stirrer on Georger's recommendation.

And I get there, and after they strip search me and I explain my intentions. They say, "Haven't you heard? there's more charges".

Dec. 3. “It is likely there will be additional charges,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Knox told a federal judge today in a hearing in Brooklyn, New York. “Our anticipation is that we will be seeking a superseding indictment.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a0hqwiaSWvqw

"Prosecutors said in court papers that Zazi conspired with at least three others. Knox said previously that the evidence against Zazi is “voluminous” and “the conspiracy here is international in scope.”

Classified Evidence

Knox told Dearie today that the government’s evidence includes recorded conversations from court-authorized wiretaps that are classified. He said some of those conversions haven’t been translated from Pashto, Arabic and Dari, an Afghan language.

After Zazi drove from Denver to New York in early September, he attempted to assemble the bomb, prosecutors said. "


So that's news, if they're saying he actually attempted to assemble some bomb. If he did, where is it? I've never heard of them finding any bomb or bomb components. Is it still out there? Probably. Probably has some kind of time delay fuse on it?

"The case is U.S. v. Zazi, 09-cr-00663, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of New York (Brooklyn). "

Additionally, it's been discovered that the real Al-Qaeda problem is in the U.S. There are known communist sympathizers now loyal to Al-Qaeda.

"Al-Qaeda followers are inside the United States and would like to attack targets here and in other countries, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday night. "

"The fact is that home-based terrorism is here. And like violent extremism abroad, it is now part of the threat picture that we must confront," Napolitano said. "Individuals sympathetic to al-Qaeda and its affiliates, as well as those inspired by their ideology, are present in the U.S., and would like to attack the homeland or plot overseas attacks against our interests abroad."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/02/AR2009120204062.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Lock and load, folks. Our interests abroad are under attack.

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"Prosecutors said in court papers that Zazi conspired with at least three others. Knox said previously that the evidence against Zazi is “voluminous” and “the conspiracy here is international in scope.”



They can't capture Bin Laden so they take some hot dog vendor who is already in custody and turn him into the new Bin Laden. Makes sense to me.

You are in rare form today Snow. Schlitz was not the only one grinning.

How does a non Catholic nominate a person for sainthood? Is there a Vatican website or something?
I mean how long are they going to ignore Tina's miracle? Cooper literally vanished. Tina did it and then went into a cloistered nunnery. Lesser miracles and devotion have resulted in beatification and cannonization.

I am going to make a Tina dashboard statue. She will become the patron saint of jumpers. You heard it first on dropzone.com.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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How long would it take to free fall 10,000 feet? If the chute did not open would someone lose consciousness during the fall?



Higher altitude, and there are a couple stories like this one, but I like this one because, being Russian, he returned to flying within 3 months. Nyet Problem!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Chisov

Ivan Mikhailovich Chisov was a Soviet Airforce Lieutenant who is notable for surviving a fall of nearly 22,000 feet (6 700 meters).

Lieutenant Chisov was a Soviet Airforce Lieutenant on an Ilyushin Il-4 bomber. In January of 1942, German fighters attacked his bomber, forcing him to bail out at an altitude of approximately 22,000 feet. With the battle still raging around him, Lt. Chisov intentionally did not open his parachute, since he feared that he would just be an easy target for an angry German while he was dangling from his parachute harness. He planned on dropping below the level of the battle, and then, once he was out of sight of the German fighters, he would open his chute and land safely. However, he lost consciousness on the way down, and was unable to pull the rip cord.

Miraculously, he was not killed. He hit the edge of a snowy ravine at an estimated speed of somewhere between 120 and 150 mph, then slid, rolled, and plowed his way down to the bottom. He suffered spinal injuries and a broken pelvis, but was able to fly again three months later.

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They can't capture Bin Laden so they take some hot dog vendor who is already in custody and turn him into the new Bin Laden. Makes sense to me.



I like the little tidbits, like how the recorded conversations are "classified" even though they haven't translated all of them.

"I don't know what they were saying, but dammit it wasn't English, and that's proof enough for me!"

hell I don't know what's up with Zazi. All I know is the volume of rhetoric by our government, seems to be more criminal than any facts released so far.

People forget so quickly, that no bomb was found. Yeah there's the stuff in Colorado, and it's still unclear what he was doing.

But enough time goes by, and people are going to just start remembering he was part of 9/11.

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JAT stewardess Vesna Vulović survived a fall of 33,000 feet (10,000 m)[1] on January 26, 1972 when she was aboard JAT Flight 367. The plane was brought down by explosives over Srbská Kamenice in the former Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic). The Serbian stewardess suffered a broken skull, three broken vertebrae (one crushed completely), and was in a coma for 27 days. (from Wikipedia)



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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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"I don't know what they were saying, but dammit it wasn't English, and that's proof enough for me!"



Who needs translation? Felonious intent can be established by tone of voice under the Patriot Act if the speaker is conversing in an Arabic dialect.;)

Customer service call center technology research is trying to quantify customer-on-hold anger by analysing syllabic rate, voice frequency modulation extremes, volume, latency in responding to canned questions, etc. The idea is to move the angriest customers up to the front of the line in the customer-on-hold que.

Snowmman Industries has no customer service hotline. If you complain you are no longer a customer. SI has stuff that their customers desperately need to reorder. There is no such thing as sufficient ammunition or a lifetime supply of heat seeking missiles.

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(Tina) Mucklow graduated from Lankenau School for Girls



I didnt know that Sluggo. How did you find out and what significance does it have?

Should my dashboard statue have Tina in an NWA outfit or something more saintly? As I recall NWA was considerably more modest in their flight attendant outfit design than PSA's "skytramp" theme.

I may try to register the trademarks SKYTRAMP and HOT SAINT if Snowmman Industries has not already taken them. I am definitely not implying that Tina was a tramp. I hold her in high esteem. Tina would not have gone for Tiger Woods after he was married. I am certain of that. Not my Tina, no way.

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