DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

Jo observed "Someone must be paying you...especially since it appears that when a post of value is made and on subject you interject your trivia."

You might also observe that I never get banned.
There's a reason. But it's kept secret.

Another question: Why is SchlitzNGrins so into trivia? He has no defense to that question, and I believe he's ridden in a helicopter once.

"Remember the Camino pictures and never forget them."

I honestly can't. Maybe you could repost and we could discuss them. Georger might need to be refreshed on those? I dunno.

[snowmman 3]

Give it up folks.
Game is over.
I won.

[1969912 0]

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I won.

Then go and celebrate by having a Crisco party with yourself.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[skyjack71 0]

I will address your issues in the post at a later date.

First - let me address the post you made per a conversation you had with Jerry Thomas.

I sent that post to the friend of Duane. The friend is mad as HELL.

This is what his reply said:

"He is full of you know what. Every thing highlighted in red is a lie. Give me his information as to address and telephone #."

Georger, this man does not use his valuable time to post to a forum and he is not a PUBLIC person. Since you are aware that I kept Tina's whereabouts a secret all of these yrs and that I have compassion in regards to her - please show your true colors. You will have to trust me just this one time and send me your contact information. The friend is going to BLOW regarding Jerry Thomas, but you or a reliable party are the ones who needs to hear what he has to say - NOT Jerry.

He needs a name and telephone number and I will prepare him ahead of time that the party he is contacting is NOT the man who has been saying this, but knows this Jerry.

I have already let him know the information is second hand and came from Jerry. You and others need to know exactly what you are dealing with when you talk to Jerry...if you are in earnest about solving this crime.

This man will need to know that what he says will not be changed or blown out of proportions - right now he is a VERY mad and upset man.

If anyone wants to continue regarding Cooper - please do so without distorting the truths when it regards Weber or myself. I was told that you are a respected individual in your field, but you do not come across in this thread as professional in your personal feelings or objectivity.

Please note that I am trying to stay level myself and therefore will not address things I have addressed in the past - nor answer question that are repetitive. In your case - if you allowed PM's or provided me with a direct email address - I will clarify the things you seem to question. I will even arrange a personal meeting with a mediator so you can see for yourself that I am not this evil and deceptive person you have been led to believe I am.

P.S. I am not building an arc and I have looked at the things provided by the forum. The most valuable thing has come from the skyjumpers themselves. As for having other threads, you know that the first 2 (101 and Unsolved Mysteries) I was only able to communicate and tell what I did know - there was NO knowledge to be extracted.

The first thread with DZ was closed and somehow this one has mangaged to survive long enough for me to learn many things about the actual jumping expertise needed. Not for a book - but to reassure myself about all of this. The studies on the money find and the water flow and flight path - I got the gest of, but they went far over my head. I suggest if you think someone is gleaning information you need to talk to the TV script writers. They have on several occassions used material taken from this thread - sometimes just a phrase - such as one used about compromised DNA on one program. Perhaps these writers think I am dumb and this thread as a whole is so ever consuming that we never watch TV.

If I was trying to do anything other than find the truth - my time and research would not have been in a public DZ forum, but I felt it was the right thing to do - go where the guys are who do this thing everyday.
Now the thread has been so consumed with Trivia and unrelated subject matter and controversary unrelated to the actual crime - it is no longer productive time spent.

There was absolutely NO excuse for all of the time and space that has been wasted bickering and my having to defend myself.
I offered up 2 other subjects when I was reworking the old files and not one nibble. These were legitimate leads from people who were afraid to go to the FBI...and afraid to face the end results of coming forward with information. Deflamation, discreditation, loss of income, accusations of being called a liar, emotional deprivation and consumption of time one could spend just enjoying life are among the things I have dealt with over the last 9 yrs.

If you have been fortunate enough to have a successful marriage - would you want your wife subjected to what you and others who need not be named have dished out to me? What I have experience is WHY others did not come forward over the yrs and the FBI needs to wake up to this fact.

Others knew information, but feared implications by the FBI and so they lied even when questioned. It was easier - socially, economically and health wise. Would you have admitted you had knowledge of this crime if it was your spouse? One certain individual whose past may not have been lilly white confined in a relative who told her she could be convicted as an accessory just because she benefited from some of the proceeds after the fact. She chose NOT to come forward. Another was fearful of the social stigma even yrs later when confronted about a loved one and what she knew....but chose and begged that the truth remain in the past. That makes 2 I know about.

These young FBI agents know nothing about human emotions and principles from the yrs of the crime. They are unaware of the fears projected by real life TV programs. Believe it or NOT. That is your choice.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Dec 19, 2009, 3:18 PM
Dec 19, 2009, 8:33 PM

interval: 5 hrs 15 minutes

[georger 244]

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I will address your issues in the post at a later date.

First - let me address the post you made per a conversation you had with Jerry Thomas.

I sent that post to the friend of Duane. The friend is mad as HELL.

This is what his reply said:
The friend replied:

"He is full of you know what. Every thing highlighted in red is a lie. Give me his information as to address and telephone #."

I would suppose Duane had lots of friends, in many
places.

I also said "alleged" ... in my post. [I thought I had
and I went back and checked and I have]

They may not even be the same people! I didnt name anyone and after going back and finding Jerry's post and reading it he doesnt name anyone either.

[happythoughts 0]

As I see it, there are three groups.
1- The govt. CIA, FBI, etc.
2- Everyone who believes Duane is Cooper (only Jo).
3- Everyone else.

If it turns out that the CIA is suppressing the information
and you are a minion of the CIA, all the other posters will
look incredibly stupid.

This must be DHS if it includes both the CIA and FBI working
together.

[snowmman 3]

just a quick note.

The Foundation has gotten more organized and changed the drop, I mean paypal address.

Send all money to duaneweber@paypal.com

We'll use it to help promote the cause. The response has been a little overwhelming and we've had to add staff, but it's a good thing.

No government agencies (western hemisphere) were involved in this post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th0jLDCJrYE

[skyjack71 0]

Jo Wrote:
This is what his reply said:
The friend replied:

"He is full of you know what. Every thing highlighted in red is a lie. Give me his information as to address and telephone #."

Georger wiggles:

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I would suppose Duane had lots of friends, in many
places.

I also said "alleged" ... in my post. [I thought I had
and I went back and checked and I have]

They may not even be the same people! I didnt name anyone and after going back and finding Jerry's post and reading it he doesnt name anyone either.

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It is documented and there was ONLY one friend questioned and that he lived in Georgia.

YOU my dear are a fake and spineless. I seriously doubt you have any real knowledge of the money - you so blatantly claimed to be able to anaylze. Prove you are qualified to anaylze the old money - prove you are this knowledgable person you claim to be.

Georger, How does if feel to be on the other end? I am asking you an honest question. How does it feel to have your word and your intergrity questioned? Are you uncomfortable right now?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Jo warned "How does it feel to have your word and your intergrity questioned? Are you uncomfortable right now?"


See? I touted the benefits of posting naked before. No uncomfortable binding.

(edit) 1000 pages of posts seems so far off. But if not us, then who?

[JerryThomas 0]

Hi Jo you don't want to go there remember I have the tapes of our conversations to include the conversation I had with Dwane's friend. You Know this. Now Like I said caution Your remarks will only cause you grief. Your fictiocious stories. Have realy gotten you into serious trouble. Remember any time you make a public statement that can cause interference with a federal investigation you can be prosecuted. Now as far as anyone else is concerned Yes jo did have me call Dwane's friend and yes Dwane's friend did tell me that Jo Did try to convence him to help her prove dwane was Cooper and he did refuse. This I have on tape. Court ordered I will gladly make it public.It will be my pleasure.Then finally Jo can put all this ro rest.End Of Subject Jo Understand. Jerry

[snowmman 3]

What's the lawyer count at right now?
8 is NOT enough!

[snowmman 3]

Jerry, I'll help out here, the relevant law you're going to lock up Jo with. This is very serious sounding indeed!

OFFENSE: Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2) - Making a False Statement in a Matter Involving International and Domestic Terrorism

PENALTY: Not more than 8 years imprisonment, $250,000 fine, or both;

(edit) They guy I buy coffee (one sugar, no cream, wooden stirrer) and an apple fritter from, in the morning, was charged with the same thing. I think he was obstructing the Cooper investigation. His indictment is attached.

[skyjack71 0]

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Ive never understood. I mean: Hide it in PLAIN (Plane) site. You have repeated that moto often here. I guess you are saying when Duane used the
word "plain" he was being clever and meant "plane", as a clue to him being DB Cooper.

Maybe
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The second issue regards Duane being at Virginia Beach at all, in the aftermath of McCoy being killed there.

He was offered a district manager position there and the money was TOO good to turn down. Something a young man who did some taping this week noted - the income lever was exceptional for the time.
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Your first post on this issue stated that you and
Duane knew nothing about McCoy ever being at Virginia Beach and you never discussed it, and you knew nothing about the DB Cooper case because 'you southerners dont get northern news'.

I am referring to myself in 1971 and at later when I went to Va. - I am not referencing Duane's knowledge and it was not intended to project that.

I have even stated that when he showed me around the area - location of the mall and other places - that is when he showed me where McCoy was killed and who McCoy was. He acted like if was just part of my learning my way around.
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After some time you then posted and stated:

1. We moved to Va in 1983 or 84 - but I am not sure about the date.
*2. He did drive me by a house in Va. Bch. Va and told me that was where McCoy was killed. I was not very interested in this, but do remember his doing this shortly after we moved to Va.
3. Yes, Duane did grow his mustache and a head full of hair when we went to Va...He was working as a manager and had more than a one time contact with other agents and individuals.
5. Norjack did not make the streets until 1986 - this is the book he had at our house, but I didn't know what the book was about...I have told that story before so need to retell it.
*6. After Norjack the neat mustache became very full and the hair much longer.
*8. Yes. the statement was a general statement rather than this detailed summary I have been compelled to do.
**When we moved to Va. Bch. was in 1983 several yrs after he took me to WA in 1979 and told and showed me what he did. Our moving to VA is not when or why Duane became interested in McCoy or the Cooper Story. "

True, the best I can recollect without the tax reports in my hands.
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In subsequenet posts you then said Duane grew his
hair to conceal hismelf after the publication of NORJAK, and Duane felt very guilty about McCoy having been killed, Duane felt he was the cause
of McCoy hijacking a plane following right after Duane's own hijacking of Flight #305, but that Duane had known about McCoy all along ever since 1972 and so none of this has anything to do withVirginia Beach.

Reviewing the photo album Duane grew the mustach during the time of the move...1983 and did allow the mustache and hair to become thicker and longer after the Norjak book appeared in our home (I didn't dig the book out to find the yr.).

I did mention that Duane expressed quilt about causing the death of someone else because of something he did. I was not stating it was McCoy - only that a conversation occurred a few months later in which Duane felt responsible and he used the words copycat. He did not mention McCoy in that conversation. He had more sense than that even when he was drunk which he was!
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Did Duane ever contact McCoy's wife or family and apologise? Is this why Duane went to Salt Lake City?

Don't have a clue unless someone related to McCoy worked at the Visitors Centre near the Assembly Hall.
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The military thing will have to be addressed later.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

Your post was just sent to the friend. I suggest you back off and stay back with your accusations. You have NO judication in this case - you are not a federal employee. If you are then you need to identify yourself as such.

I am not interferring with any investigation........I have nothing to do with a federal investigation.

You are the one who has threaten to go to the media and make accusation about me. You are the one who threatened to come to my home. You are the one who makes threats. I make none.

What you need to work on is your spelling and grammar - a federal agent must know how to communicate - they do not make threats on the internet - that is a punishable crime.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[JerryThomas 0]

Jo this friend of your's can contact me at any time. Please let him. I'm sure this friend of your's will get tired of your outragious claims and fictional stories soon. time for action on your part Jo. the last i'll post on this,End of subject. Jerry

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Heads are going to roll and tongues will wag and if your head is still attached it will shake and your eyes will roll - when the truth is made public

And when pray tell will this monumental event take place?

Really Jo, give us a date for this promised revelaltion.

We are waiting.

When the truth is revealed the CIA will cease paying Snowmman. Your repeated delays in delivering promised evidence just make him richer. If you really want to hurt Snow then spill the beans.

And think twice about threatening legal action. Many lawyers will be delighted to take many thousands of dollars to litigate a defamation case that has provable damages that are a tiny fraction of the fees.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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And think twice about threatening legal action. Many lawyers will be delighted to take many thousands of dollars to litigate a defamation case that has provable damages that are a tiny fraction of the fees.

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I'm presuming Jo's threats of legal action have about as much substance as her promises of revelations/evidence.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[nigel99 473]

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Heads are going to roll and tongues will wag and if your head is still attached it will shake and your eyes will roll - when the truth is made public

And when pray tell will this monumental event take place?

Really Jo, give us a date for this promised revelaltion.

We are waiting.

When the truth is revealed the CIA will cease paying Snowmman. Your repeated delays in delivering promised evidence just make him richer. If you really want to hurt Snow then spill the beans.

And think twice about threatening legal action. Many lawyers will be delighted to take many thousands of dollars to litigate a defamation case that has provable damages that are a tiny fraction of the fees.

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Ok I solved the whole Duane is DBC issue - as Jo stated the key was "hiding it in Plane sight". The stupid FBI missed the whole clue as to where Duane "hid" after the hijacking and you have all been so focussed on the air-stairs that you didn't bother to look up.

Look very carefully at the attached image of flight 305 coming into land on the night of the hijacking and try and spot Duane

Duane Hiding in plane sight

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[JerryThomas 0]

Hi Orange 1. Hows the family.Jo's threats does not bother me. You see I've known Jo since she began her quest for stardom. Originally according to Jo, dwane had told her Cooper had buried the Money under the cowitz river bridge. I believe she got this info out of the book Named It Happened Here. At any rate, this was her first claim . Most of Jo's info came from books and the internet.She has been able to add to her storie's by using maps of the area and storie's she has heard. I have every phone conversation that Jo and I had, recorded I've posted this before.Jo is well aware of this she even new I was recording the conversations. If you go back and read all my post's you will find a lot of Info on the case you may have missed to include the truth about Jo. Jerry

[JerryThomas 0]

nigel99 Cute. Jerry

[377 22]

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I'm presuming Jo's threats of legal action have about as much substance as her promises of revelations/evidence.

Can you imagine a jury deciding that ANYTHING said on this forum has serious financial consequences? If you have the money it isn't hard to find lawyers who will pursue cases with minimal legal merit or potential damages. If you really want to see if a case has some money potential try to find counsel who will take it on a pure contingency fee basis. I bet Jo or her outraged friend would have no law sharks rising to that bait.
Jerry has nothing to worry about as far as a lawsuit goes. Neither does Georger.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

When we go to court, I'm going to represent myself.

A captive audience of 12 that I can walk thru every post?
Wow...a bigger audience than we ever had here.

Should be fun. Need to get the press interested.

But man: there's too much evidence.
All these posts.
All the attachments and links
And we'll have to subpoena for whatever small number of PM's or email exists.

There's too much! We can't wait for court. We gotta start now.

Okay: what's the proper legal way to threaten people? I know it helps if you write letters on stationery with a lawyer's letterhead. At least it appears that way?

Can I just put "Snowmman" on the top and have the same effect? Is there applicable law?

(edit) I'm also confused about what gets put in the "trivia" bin. Is this post trivia? What if I talk about coal tar? Is it trivia now?

[snowmman 3]

Duane Weber was a murdering son of a bitch.

He was part of a group of Rogue Rangers who went around killing women and children.

I know this from information from his ex-wife and also a friend.

He would always stiff the waiter on tips.

[snowmman 3]

Galen Cook likes to dance the tango.

I don't know why.