DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

So out of the blue, the thread started talking about neutron initiators here: (jan 3, 2009)

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3443738;search_string=neutron;guest=64766038#3443738

And if I look at the English (and Farsi) versions of these documents recently released, it sounds like Iran is talking about neutron initiators too.
http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/farsi-and-english-versions-of-document-on-neutron-initiator/

I wonder if they know who DB Cooper is?

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Ok I solved the whole Duane is DBC issue - as Jo stated the key was "hiding it in Plane sight". The stupid FBI missed the whole clue as to where Duane "hid" after the hijacking and you have all been so focussed on the air-stairs that you didn't bother to look up.

Look very carefully at the attached image of flight 305 coming into land on the night of the hijacking and try and spot Duane

The best laugh I have had in sometime now - Thank You.

TO ALL
I would not be foolish enough to threaten a lawsuit as Jerry does repeatedly and his other threats regarding the media in my area and other such things, but I did seek advise about the outlandish threats repeatedly made by Jerry. Remember that I am located between 4 military bases - and there are many military attorneys in the area. At any rate I did get some information from a friend by which I made the statement to Jerry - "he is not a federal employee and I am not interferring with a federal investigation". Period.

I already knew this but wanted verification.

I also have never threaten nor have I been coercive and abusive. I have tried to be polite and courteous, but everyone has limitations...hence I finally did a bad thing by mentioning his spelling and grammar. I do publically apologize for that remark as it was NOT very kind of me. I am not generally an unkind person.

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[snowmman 3]

Jo said "I do publically apologize for that remark as it was NOT very kind of me. I am not generally an unkind person."

Hey what about me? I don't get no loving?

I guess there are bounds to kindness.

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Hi Orange 1. Hows the family.Jo's threats does not bother me. You see I've known Jo since she began her quest for stardom. Originally according to Jo, dwane had told her Cooper had buried the Money under the cowitz river bridge. I believe she got this info out of the book Named It Happened Here. At any rate, this was her first claim . Most of Jo's info came from books and the internet.She has been able to add to her storie's by using maps of the area and storie's she has heard. I have every phone conversation that Jo and I had, recorded I've posted this before.Jo is well aware of this she even new I was recording the conversations. If you go back and read all my post's you will find a lot of Info on the case you may have missed to include the truth about Jo. Jerry

You know very well that I did not know the names of the rivers - and you insisted there was NO way I was near the Washougal. Even though I told you we crossed the Columbia and went thru a little town. You know that I had NO maps at that time - except for a STATE map which did not show the lake.You did not tell me about the lake (even after I described in detail to you what I saw) - and I thought was a river, (it was at this point you told me I had to be on the Columbia). Therefore the only river it could be was the Cow - shit(whatever you called it), but there is NO NEED to rehash this.

Soon everyone will know the truth - I just hope I can hold on long enough to finish this mission that was thrust upon me and the mission I chose to see through because of the lies stated by the FBI and you.

Remember folks - had it not been for the mysterious Angel Udell - I would not have been able to retrace the trip. Jerry and others did everything possible to make sure I was not able to do so. He refused to be the guide and I was assigned a student who had been in the area for 2 yrs as a guide for the documentary. It seems in retrospect that this was by design...don't expect this imbecile (referring to myself) to explain that one.

Jerry, you don't know me - you never met me - I was nothing more than a voice on the phone that you could manipulate and abuse.

Without a map - I was at YOUR mercy, but you had no MERCY nor a conscience...whatever your reason. I hesitate to say you had "motives" but, will leave it at that. I will also note that during time period you aggressively and firmly stated Cooper landed further North. Nothing else would satisfy you, but now you are pushing the location East and North of Washougal - WHY did you suddenly have this revelation after my trip to WA in 2001.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

A lot of people think they remember the Kaufman vs. Lawler wrestling match, but never really saw it. They just remember the lead up to it on Letterman.

Here's the real thing for all the posers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKqiLCtF8I8&feature=related

[skyjack71 0]

[replyCan you imagine a jury deciding that ANYTHING said on this forum has serious financial consequences? If you have the money it isn't hard to find lawyers who will pursue cases with minimal legal merit or potential damages. If you really want to see if a case has some money potential try to find counsel who will take it on a pure contingency fee basis. I bet Jo or her outraged friend would have no law sharks rising to that bait.
Jerry has nothing to worry about as far as a lawsuit goes. Neither does Georger.
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[snowmman 3]

Kaufman and Lawler had the same issue as Jo and Jerry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11T_-k7ckrg

You don't settle this on a forum. You settle it in the ring.

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Jo,

Just post what probative evidence you have. Simple request.

Your endless unsubstantiated claims irritate even those who were initially in your corner.

Stop promising, start delivering. The opposite of a coverup is an expose'.
Do one. Today not tomorrow.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Bs Jo. Your on record in a documentary with this crap of your's. Now You have presented nothing but fiction to this investigation from day one. you know it and everyone else knows it. even everyone on the forum, but you are to dumb to except the fact that everyone see's right through you and your false accusations. What is it going to take to make you realize that you are embarassing the Weber name. Your not even a Weber anymore and in no way conected to that family's future but yet you continue to dishonor it with made up stories. Have you no shame.Jerry

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Judge Judy always asks for receipts, check stubs, ... evidence... that type of stuff.

ya think Judge Judy would accept testimony about a lost airline ticket and parking stub? I mean they used to be in hard copy form. How about sworn testimony about Calif state prison inmate smoke jumpers? There used to be a photo once upon a time.

Judge Judy is a self centered moron. Now let's see if I get sued. Bring it on. Perry Mason will be my lawyer. Perry could get Zazi aquittted. No sweat.

Hey, I forgot to add: Snow's old suspect was a genuine smoke jumper in the Nortwest and shows up in the smoke jumper alumni web. archives. For real.

Jo, where did all the twenties go? Surely you know if you were married to Dan Cooper. Could he spend them freely or did he have to launder them at a heavy discount?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[skyjack71 0]

Knapsacks - that term was used by the BoyScouts in yrs gone bye. 1940's, 50's, 60's - not sure when the expression disappeared. By the way what do they call a pack you wear in front around your waist today?
Do people even use these things in todays time - we have backpacks now?

Very interesting that - woman you mentioned and the motel.
Like Orange mentioned - yea! I would love it if it was a true story and it was the same hotel.

If the story is true - what it does prove is exactly what was maintained - that the FBI did question workers at the hotels and motels. Agent Carr could find NO reports on any hotel or motel?

If true -

1. Wonder why she thought Cooper had stayed in that room?

2. Was there a bottle of hair dye?

3. Did she see the man (after all he would have required a late check-out as did the individual seen by the nightclerk)?

4. Did a nightclerk think he had checked Cooper in and it resulted in this maid being questioned?

5. Such an obscure story - hope something can be found regarding it.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I was talking to Mueller, and he wanted status since we shitcanned Carr, and I tried to explain how motley a crew it is, except for that Sluggo guy...

well, all I got is a new picture of Hahneman.
From Ebony magazine, Nov, 1972.

attached.

I think this is different from some of the others I posted.

from http://books.google.com/books?id=ntcDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22hahneman%22+hijack&source=bl&ots=BU_AsPuzBn&sig=ANuUDd3wAgJzMVKqRgKTH-737Yg&hl=en&ei=sxAvS5rIC4K0sgPd66XGBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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Your on record in a documentary with this crap of your's

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I remember having to describe the area and I was told to use the places as discussed with you...I didn't know one darn river from another. I used what YOU told me because I didn't know the names of the roads or the river Duane took me to.

Something was done after I return from WA. but, I still had NO MAPS and was at the mercy of YOU (He who knows all). It was LATER I acquired the maps which showed the Lake I had been directed to while I was in WA. by Udell. Then I was able to put the right names to the places. Even when I contacted you after this you INSISTED it was the other places YOU had told me about and that I was WRONG and that I NEVER went to the WASHOUGAL or to Lake LaCames.

Himmelsbach and I had a long conversation about this. I was upset you had told me the things you did - I could HAVE used your word that starts with L----, but I have been nice in the past by saying I felt it was a miscommunication, because it is difficult to describe what one sees in their memory to someone else.

Himmelsbach knew I WAS STEAMING mad because you didn't understand what I was talking about. Even then I felt what you did was DELIBERATE because if you were such an authority on the area - HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE TO YOU? Why would you deny if even after the fact? I know the answer to that one.

BELOW - What I found in my files a few days ago as another party was viewing some of the things I have:

I trusted you at the time...but not after I got good maps and the right places. I found a letter I wrote to Himmelsbach where I tried to draw a map - two on one page. It is without question I was drawing the Washougal, but ALL I had was my memory and ...I had NO maps (if I had maps at that time I would have made a copy, marked it and sent him that).

How many TIMES did you tell me there was NO WAY for the WASHOUGAL to be on MY LEFT unless I was going South. HOW MANY???

The day we left Salt Lake City - we headed for the Dalles. That is the first time I saw the Columbia.
I explained to you that we were on the OR side of the river and I mention the road that went to Mt. Hood, but I didn't know the name of the mountain. I told you we crossed the Columbia at that time and went into this little town crossing a bridge over a river. I told you we turned LEFT and then after a couple of more turns and thru some pastures and barns we came to a WIDE BODY of WATER. You TOLD me that Duane MUST have turned me around and we were on the Columbia. I TOLD you NO that was not right - we were NOT on the Columbia, but you INSISTED there was NO OTHER WIDE body of WATER it could be.

YOU DID NOT listen to what I said then (just as you are doing now) and that cost me 4 yrs - four yrs for more evidence to just poof. You alone are responsible for the LOCATION not being on TARGET - WHY? I have asked myself that question time and time again and I have three answers - one is deliberate and the other one starts with S and the last one starts with C.

As for embarrassing the Weber name - what business is that of yours?
1. His brother had no children
2. We have never found the children of Duane..if they even exist.
3. The sister did not bear the name of Weber and all but one of her children have deceased.

As for dishonoring anyone - How does your own daughter feel about you?

I deleted the rest of what I was saying because it would be me acting like Jerry...and you know WHAT GUY's? I am better than that.

Again I apologize for being repetitive - and found it necessary to defend myself. I wish we had IGNORE and then I would not be able to see his posts - from this time forward he is on MENTAL IGNORE.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Weber was Cooper.
Vote with your wallet.
duaneweber@paypal.com

No money goes to Jo Weber.
All supports the cause.
La verdad saldrá.

[Orange1 0]

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I have tried to be polite and courteous,

As long as people agree with you, you mean?
Every time someone 'new' has arrived you have immediately accused them of being in it to write a book/make money.
How polite and courteous were you to Larry Carr, despite his unbelievably unfailing polite approach to you? You didn't even reciprocate that.

Judge Judy? Care to examine the evidence?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Agent Carr could find NO reports on any hotel or motel

Rubbish. He said he could not find a record of the supposed book that the supposed clerk at your supposed hotel showed him. Not the same thing at all.

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5. Such an obscure story

HA! HA! HA! talk about the pot calling the kettle black. especially regarding a story about a supposed hotel sighting the night before! LOL. best laugh on this forum in a long time.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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And that's what led to the most intense 45 seconds of my life.

FBI surveillance tapes cast doubt on that claim Snow. They show the most intense 45 seconds of your life took place in Iceland.

I was having a good chuckle about Jo's suspicions that the FBI or CIA would pay forum posters to silence her. If only the spooks and fedcops were that benign. These agencies know how to silence threats and it isn't done with a keyboard.

Jo, once again, post your evidence. By failing to do so you are doing what you criticize the FBI for: covering up.

So nobody is interested in Snow's first suspect?
Boeing employee, NW smoke jumper, skydiver, Nam experience, grudge, resembles sketch...? Even if the guy isn't Cooper it was a masterful investigative effort by the Indomnitable Snowmman.

Provoking Jo is more appealing I guess.

Trying to ID Cooper is just so frustrating. I wish Jerry would find the remains and put us out of our misery.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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So nobody is interested in Snow's first suspect?
Boeing employee, NW smoke jumper, skydiver, Nam experience, grudge, resembles sketch...? Even if the guy isn't Cooper it was a masterful investigative effort by the Indomnitable Snowmman.

I'm very interested

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[JerryThomas 0]

Jo your so full of it. I have maps you sent me showing a fire tower that duane suposedly burried the money under. I have another map you sent me in 2000 Describing a boat trip accross Lacamas lake to a road then down to the columbia river where Duane burried the money. When they brought you out to Portland for the documentary all you could remember was going across the I5 bridge. You could recongnize nothing.Then for some strange reason you started remembering places and you stated you went to some of these places. One of which was demolished 3mos prior to your visit. I believe I posted this before.After I made that post you came up with another place you never new existed untill you found it on a map on the internet. Face it Jo your fiction writing days are over. Thing's can only get worse for you from now on ,if you continue this sherade of your's. The last thing you want to do is chalenge my memory or the evidence the people on this forum have compiled against you. All they have to do is post some of your past post's and statement's you've made. How many place's has duane buried that Money, How many times has he thrown it over the I 5 Bridge. How many time's has he dug it up from the river bank How many time's did you wake up in the car on the columbia river and see duane taking bags out of the trunk and either dig something up or bury it. What about him digging the money up on Mt Hood . Have you missed any posible location's, That something can be found that you can later claim, Duane buried it, and then try to use a post on this forum as your proof . Only to do what try to be the Bogus Ms Cooper..And what wood shed was it he hid out in. Your Lie's have caught up with you. Or should I say the deception you have placed in your own MIND. Jerry

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So nobody is interested in Snow's first suspect?
Boeing employee, NW smoke jumper, skydiver, Nam experience, grudge, resembles sketch...? Even if the guy isn't Cooper it was a masterful investigative effort by the Indomnitable Snowmman.

I'm very interested

Orange1: he was pareto optimal in terms of the little things we all talked about being interesting. Although georger would probably say wrong for some reason.

The resulting insight was that it was hopeless for us to identify suspects the way we were going. What we think of as unique, isn't.

I do believe the FBI never tagged him. That was probably the main interesting thing. Since there's this wrong belief that the FBI investigation was wide-ranging based on some insight.
(Did everyone see how they investigated a "Jerry Cooper" who was only 30 years old? WTF?)


So it made me think a couple things
-The FBI investigation was a joke
-There's no way to get to Cooper thru traits/skills/whatever-you-like...any "things" we were discussing
-Got me thinking about how a live Cooper would act. I guess thinking about things made me more comfortable with a dead Cooper in the Columbia.

Mostly, there's no point in debating all these fine points about what a Cooper might be like.

(edit) Oh: it also makes me think all of these Galen Cook things and other people's things about suspects that "match" are a joke. It's like listening to people talk about great, when they only know good.

[snowmman 3]

Look at this dingbat suspect the FBI investigated. It actually made all the papers back in 1975. The FBI agent actually hedged a bit in terms of saying they were pretty sure it wasn't him...like it took some time to figure out.

Jerry Cooper was 30 at the time (1975)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1347&dat=19750911&id=ZDETAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EPsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6330,2244946

Check out the funny quotes here:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xAoQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AYsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7281,1190262&dq=jerry-cooper+hijacking&hl=en

"I'm almost 100 per cent sure that Mr. Cooper of Annandale is not D.B. Cooper the skyjacker," Michael A. Morrow, special agent in charge of the FBI's Alexandria, VA. office.

"We have almost completely ruled him out"

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Snowmman. There is a posibility someone may come up with somthing no one else has thought of.How ever "minor" that may be. Cases have been solved by less.So lets all keep trying.I do read most post and when I see a good idea posted, I do research it. Believe it or not, there has been a lot of good idea's posted on this forum some, I have adopted and are using and still researching. I guess, what I'm trying to say is, that most of you come up with some realy fantastic stuff.Jerry

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Snowmman. There is a posibility someone may come up with somthing no one else has thought of.How ever "minor" that may be. Cases have been solved by less.So lets all keep trying.I do read most post and when I see a good idea posted, I do research it. Believe it or not, there has been a lot of good idea's posted on this forum some, I have adopted and are using and still researching. I guess, what I'm trying to say is, that most of you come up with some realy fantastic stuff.Jerry

Jerry,
if you go out into the woods again based on anything I've dug up, I'll surely rot in hell.

Forget the cooper nonsense, and go out into the woods to have fun.

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Snowmman I'll definately take your advice. However if I knew one tenth about a computer as you and the rest of the people on this forum does I'd qualify as a desent operater.One good thing though the wife bought me a new program called ,Dragon, Now all I have to do is get her to load it on this lap top of mine. Then all I have to do is talk to it. Hope it doesn't talk back. Jerry

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Orange1: he was pareto optimal in terms of the little things we all talked about being interesting. Although georger would probably say wrong for some reason.

The resulting insight was that it was hopeless for us to identify suspects the way we were going. What we think of as unique, isn't.

I do believe the FBI never tagged him. That was probably the main interesting thing. Since there's this wrong belief that the FBI investigation was wide-ranging based on some insight.
(Did everyone see how they investigated a "Jerry Cooper" who was only 30 years old? WTF?)


So it made me think a couple things
-The FBI investigation was a joke
-There's no way to get to Cooper thru traits/skills/whatever-you-like...any "things" we were discussing
-Got me thinking about how a live Cooper would act. I guess thinking about things made me more comfortable with a dead Cooper in the Columbia.

Mostly, there's no point in debating all these fine points about what a Cooper might be like.

(edit) Oh: it also makes me think all of these Galen Cook things and other people's things about suspects that "match" are a joke. It's like listening to people talk about great, when they only know good.

Not sure about your conclusions re the FBI - to me the fact that the FBI never interviewed him shows one key thing: that they indeed probably did not range as far as Asia in their suspects. If a suspect wasn't in the US, he was out of the line of fire. So maybe your guy wasn't Cooper (did anyone ever get hold of him btw to ask him his opinion on Cooper - I don't recall?) but it still leaves well alive the possibility that if Cooper was hiding out in Asia he would have made it out of reach of FBI. (Plus the enticing option of all those dollar bills being happily accepted out there without being checked by US banks...) And I hear you and Georger saying in the background, just because the theory is good doesn't mean it fits. Sure. But to me it does present a big avenue that wasn't explored.

Incidentally, there was a post by Gosset's son a few weeks ago on a facebook page and he seems as convinced as ever that his father was Cooper.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.