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No one noted it, and I'm for sure not the one to tip the hat properly but Robert Howard died (SOG ..we talked about him a while back when we were all reading Plaster and Waugh's books)

Quite amazing that in the first obit they don't seem to really get who he was (edit) I just noticed google news now has him headlined with better obits.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-obit-decorated-soldier,0,7351940.story

(edit) better obit here:
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/80016797.html

If you didn't see his site before:
http://rlhtribute.com/

wikipedia here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Howard

(edit) We joke around a lot about real stuff, bogus stuff, current events, political stuff, military stuff. We were just talking about brave.

But I think we can all agree..(if you remember my accounts from Plaster's book or read the web pages), that Howard was a pretty brave guy.

[snowmman 3]

I have decided to hide behind the forum and make unfounded comments.

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Snowmman. I already new that. It's Like everything else with you, once your chalenged by someone, that will follow through with there, comments or statements/chalenges !you decide that there must be away ,to weisel out of it so, you start down grading that person the one who chalenged you. Typical Civillian. Jerry

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You won Jerry, Congratulations.

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Jerry wrote

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I have decided to post it [home phone number] and answer all question's by Phone.

You ponder bravery Sluggo? Posting your home number in a lunatic asylum. That is bravery.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Sluggo. Has had my Phone# for over a year and was told he could give it to any one he would like. I'm not hard to find. You can contact any New's Media They all Have my Number. I get Calls from all over the World on a Monthly Basis. So slugo's Post Realy is very Imature. Seem's to be somewhat Boastfull However. Could Be to make him Feel Superior. Go figure.Jerry

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Here's to all of you - A HAPPY MERRY HOLIDAYS -
to you & yours.

Georger

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Edit 1 -Glad I have time to Edit this thing - I read what I wrote and it had many errors.
Edit 2 -Back to do some more editing and I am so tired - knew I needed to get this fixed. It is better I just tell it from memory rather than try to follow the darn map.

I have everyone on MENTAL Ignore because I have something to say and I hope it is something that you guys can digest - it should go down like pudding and stick to you gut.

I have been accused of using maps to create a story. Well, here is one that does use maps, because I had to find a good WA map that I could read so here goes.

The FBI told me only after I confronted them in 2000 that Duane had been in McNeil.
All we had with us was an altas and one map that showed 1/2 of the United States - not a quarter but 1/2.

How did Duane Weber having only the casual relationship with WA claimed by the FBI manage to navigate and tell me the things he did? I am recreating our trip at the point he told me about Pendleton

1. Pendleton - he was familiar with the base and made a remark about the base.

2. As we approached the Columbia he mentions things on both sides of the river. The
Nuclear plant, which I now know to be Hanford and Reservation - which I now know to be a US Military Reservation just outside of Yakima which he mentioned by name..even though there is an Indian Reservation there - he does NOT mention this at the time.

3. As we approach The Dalles he mentions a couple of places in Oregon along that way - one of those is Heppner, but do not recall the other one.

4. Closer into The Dalles he talks about the river and a place in WA called Goldendale, It was obviously he had spent some time in Goldendale.

5. We spent the night just outside of The Dalles and he tell me I can sleep in the next morning, because he had something to take care of. I did not even ask what. He did mention Durfu just on down the way from The Dalles that eveing when we had something to eat.

6. I am studying the map to see where or why he left for approx 5 hours the next day and returned shortly after check-out time. I remember this because I had called the desk as I was worried.
(Can't figure out where he went other than maybe Mt. Hood) or a Government Camp.

7. We cross the river (this I am confused on) - this map show a crossing at White Salmon and one at Bonnevile Dam (we crossed at the one which had all the boats on the East side so I assume from what I know about Dams we crossed at the Bonneville.

8. This crossing is when he mentions on the WA side a ridge west of us and pointing East on Hwy 14 he mentions Indian burial grounds or mounds or and/or a reservation - all I see on the map is a reservation.

9. As we approach Washougal the thinks he has missed his turn, but the Hwy splits at this point, he mentions they had four laned the approach and it was NOT four laned the last time he was there - I now assume in 1971.

10. We go to Washougal, but go to a cementary before we cross what I now KNOW to be the WASHOUGAL ( even though Jerry would have me be believe differently). I really believe he though we turn a Cames and I kept trying to tell him NO.

11. We make some turns after this crossing which took us thru pasture lands and and cattle till we reached what I now know to be the road to Lake LaCames.

12. The story about our little outing at Lake LaCames is well told in prior postings. When we pull out of the area because just moments prior he made his little remark "This is where Cooper walked out of the Woods" . I then took a mental note of the first Street sign I saw...the rest of this story is also documented in prior posts.

13. This would entail doubling back to Washougal for yet "one more side trip" North on the Washoughal and we turned around up in the curve which I have claimed had either 3 cottages and double wides on it (but no one seems to understand where). After we turned around we went West on what I now know to be Coffey road. He points out yet another cementary on our left. He tells me about Camp Bonneville - on our way to the old 500. A story about 2 men who escape from there over a fence, Little Baldy and a pit among several other things. On up the road he mentions Green Mountain, another tower and an airport then we go North toward Battleground, but turn West before that...which took us to a tower that was no longer there in the woods.

Now we go back to the road and a little further North before turning W toward what I now know to the Hat. He pointed this out to me only after we passed it. From this point we head South to the road that would take us to I-5, but not without pointing out another Tower and a airport and another cementary.

Note: I lost count of the towers already. 4 airpstrips and 4 cementaries. I forgot to count the tower that was not there in the woods.

After reaching the highway that would take us to I-5 we head West and he points down going North where Dollars Corner is and comments he used to know a man there and about a store across the street. He has told me about the Pipeline and Power lines there as he did in the Lake LaCames area.

14. As we go up I-5 he mentions a tributary that goes under the highway and points to the left (W) mentions something in that area (I forget but it used to be a camp and now it is something else) - then he get my attention to the East - talks about the Power lines and Pipe line running paraell thru there.

15. Just before the Lewis River he mentions off to our right (East) is a cementary and old mill. Almost immediately he points to theWest about a little town called St Helens and that he used to know a woman who had a store there. Then we are at the Lewis River.

I remember being awake at Longview and Castle Rock. He said something about Castle Rock, but I don't remember what because I was tired (yet, he was driving). My memory has dulled due to all of these yrs - I know that my mind wants to say he told me something about these places - but I would need a MUCH larger map to trigger more detailed information. ( I have to use a magnifying glass for this map and a flashlight - plus I have a large overhead lamp on and a goose neck lamp. Getting very hard to see maps.

6. As we approach the area he mentions where McChord is and Steillacoom telling me about a prison there with basically wall of water. He did not call it McNeil. As we are going thru Tacoma he points East and mentions his brother and partner having owned a complex there ,but it turned out not to be a good investment (he stated bought at wrong time).

OK my eyes are killing me and I am very tired. He took me on another trip in Seattle and told me about the things above this all the way to Vancouver, Alaska.

If you will remind me and if you are interested I will tell you the rest of this as I recounted it to Himmelsbach yrs ago...the FBI was never interest.


Have to rest right now. I don't believe I have told how much the told me beyond the Airport before, because I didn't think it was necessary. Before I go for now, please digest what I have told you and I ask ONE question.
Do the places and the things he showed me sound like some one with a casual aquaintance with the state of WA. while a resident at McNeil?

I have finished the edit, but the rest of the story will have to wait for another day - I have pushed myself to the limit recently.

Good Night - must be getting old - I just know I feel very very very tired - never felt this tired in my whole life. I don't think I am sick - just feel exhausted.

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You ponder bravery Sluggo? Posting your home number in a lunatic asylum. That is bravery.

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I was thinking the same thing. Brave (or un-aware of the possible consequences)!

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I was thinking the same thing. Brave (or un-aware of the possible consequences)!

His HOME phone number ! That was just about the most stupid thing anyone could do in a public forum. Sure - one can get "most" phone numbers thru the computer if they want them bad enough...unless they are unlisted...or using other measures.

Perhaps Jerry needs this lesson regarding fraud: True story.

One woman got calls from a mortgage company - about a loan being placed on her home which was clear and free. Well, it seems that she later started getting calls about her payments not being made several months later.

Well - there was a 50K lien against her home when the county checked. Of course, the bank who did this - had to drop the loan because it was fraud by an employee or someone else who had enough information to prove they actually were this person. (I do not know how this could have been done with out the lender and the borrower both being crooks).

The woman was ill and if she had died - her children would have assumed she was the one who took the loan. The woman did die after this was discovered and before it could be resolved - the stress of it destroyed her...and took from her time she could have enjoyed - instead the stress made her last months on this earth HELL.

Jerry check your County records every 6 months - Check your credit reports - you get one a yr free, but you will need to do this every 3 months for a few yrs -if you want to be financially safe.

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I was thinking the same thing. Brave (or un-aware of the possible consequences)!

His HOME phone number ! That was just about the most stupid thing anyone could do in a public forum. Sure - one can get "most" phone numbers thru the computer if they want them bad enough...unless they are unlisted...or using other measures.

Perhaps Jerry needs this lesson regarding fraud: True story.

One woman got calls from a mortgage company - about a loan being placed on her home which was clear and free. Well, it seems that she later started getting calls about her payments not being made several months later.

Well - there was a 50K lien against her home when the county checked. Of course, the bank who did this - had to drop the loan because it was fraud by an employee or someone else who had enough information to prove they actually were this person. (I do not know how this could have been done with out the lender and the borrower both being crooks).

The woman was ill and if she had died - her children would have assumed she was the one who took the loan. The woman did die after this was discovered and before it could be resolved - the stress of it destroyed her...and took from her time she could have enjoyed - instead the stress made her last months on this earth HELL.

Jerry check your County records every 6 months - Check your credit reports - you get one a yr free, but you will need to do this every 3 months for a few yrs -if you want to be financially safe.

Why dont you drop all your personal attacks and
implied threats and let the World have a Christmas? You did this through Thanksgiving and probably spoiled that for a few people. Go take a walk or something - make it last a few days. Into the weekend would be nice!

The world does not revolve around Jo Weber -
WHOEVER THAT IS!

[SKYWHUFFO 1]

May all of you find an old black suit sunglasses and a "special" $20 under your tree! From my family to yours I hope you all have a merry Xmas!

Now back to trying to put this Damn Big Wheel together. You talk about frustration!

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Happy Holidays everyone!

Peace on Earth, Peace on the Forum.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Back in early December I posted:

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Greg Larson (Gregory Kenneth Larson) was born on November 15, 1939 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. After going to high school at Roosevelt (Minneapolis, MN), Larson attended the University of Minnesota. Larson made his professional debut in the NFL in 1961 with the New York Giants. He played for the New York Giants for his entire 13 year career.

Most people believe that 1966 was Greg Larson's best year.

I believe that sometime around 1972 he married Tina Mucklow. They were divorced just a few years after. Shortly after that, Tina entered a cloister under the name of Sister Mary Alice Mucklow.

Now, Greg runs:
Greg Larson Sports (GL Sports)
PO Box 567 | Brainerd, MN 56401
Phone: 800.950.3320
Fax: 800.950.9301
custsvc@glsports.com
www.glsports.com

Well,

A really good researcher, who doesn't wish to be IDed (I only mention it because I don't want anyone to think I'm taking credit) just wrote me this:

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scratch greg larson off the master list.
he married his hs sweetheart, he says, though is friends ironically with rataczak.
small world

Oh well! Back to the drawing board.

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Jo stated:

Jerry check your County records every 6 months - Check your credit reports - you get one a yr free, but you will need to do this every 3 months for a few yrs -if you want to be financially safe.

Georger replied:
Why dont you drop all your personal attacks and
implied threats and let the World have a Christmas? You did this through Thanksgiving and probably spoiled that for a few people. Go take a walk or something - make it last a few days. Into the weekend would be nice!

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Georger

Do you know what the little Emotion-con mean in the statement? Jerry has not one clue about the dangers that lurk on the internet.

I stopped communicating with Jerry in Late 2001 and when he came to this forum using the same TACTICS he had used on the phone from 1996 until 2001....Calling me a liar over and over and making threats

When he came to the forum he picked up where he left off, but in a public forum. I called him at his request because I didn't want him to have my phone number. He said he did not have caller ID.

That phone call resulted in my having to go to the Emergency Room...you can disagree with someone without threats, calling them names or being coercive and treating them like they are a prisoner of WAR.

It is currently 9:12 PM Christmas eve and my last post was in the very early morning of the 24th - the forum changes the post time per their location. I am Central Time.

I do want to wish all

A MERRY CHRISTMAS

2010 Will be a Historical Yrs for the Cooper investigation .

"Confirmed by the FBI" - I just love those words.

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[SKYWHUFFO 1]

I found this, and figured some of you may find it interesting and bring back memories for a few.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Jr_qtXAmQ&feature=related

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SKYWHUFFO,


Excellent!

That video is the first one I have ever seen that actually tugged at something in my mind (and spinal cord) that made think; “Wow! That looks like fun!” Funny how it is… I’ve seen dozens of skydive videos but none that captured my imagination like that one.

Rantoul… oh yeah! Sugar and I were starting a long vacation (from St. Joseph, MI) and I stopped in Rantoul to go to the air-museum and eat at a Chinese restaurant.

Shortly after that, Sugar got really sick. I thought it was the food at Rantoul. We stopped in Rolla, MO and she had to be hospitalized. Turned out she had gallstones and needed surgery. What a way to start a three-week vacation.

Do you have any physical parameters on the jump? Airspeed? Altitude? Flap settings. I’m sure it was wheels-up, and it appears the aft stairs have been removed.

Was 377 on that jump? Were you? If either, I would like to hear about it.

I flew a lot in that area, and the video was a reminder of the fact that the whole area is one big “emergency landing spot.” The only two decision a pilot needs to make are: Wheels down or up? Corn field or soybean field?

Happy Holidays,

Sluggo

PS: The stews…. WOW! So that’s why you do it!

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Was 377 on that jump? Were you? If either, I would like to hear about it.

Yes. 377 was. Can't tell if it was that particular DC 9 load, but it might have been. Same lovely stews. Same time of day. Same strung out exit with many including me landing far from DZ at Chanute AFB.

That air museum at Rantoul is a hidden gem. They have a B 58 Mach 2 bomber that looks like you could fuel it up and fly away. They also have a C 97, the USAF version of the Boeing 377. It sits alone in a field near the museum. Aviation author Ralph Peterson attended WFFC and convinced the museum to cut the locks on the C 97 and let me and him explore the interior. It hadn't been opened in 20 years. It was like exploring the Titanic. Fold down canvas troop cots still lined the fuselage interior. Cargo restraint straps and tie downs still hanging. Dark, dank, slighly moldy smell of death. Perfect skeletons of birds scattered throughout. Somehow they found a way in but couldn't exit and starved.

I miss WFFC and even Rantoul a lot. The town was so friendly to skydivers. When I landed out a family picked me up and drove me back.
If you landed near the grandstands (few did because it was a longer walk back to the loading area) you were swarmed by kids seeking your autograph in little notebooks they brought out. I needed to take care of some work while jumping there and went to a title company to get some things notarized and faxed. They saw my blue WFFC jumper admission bracelet and absolutely refused to accept a penny.

The place was WILD. Naked jumps, wild parties, live bands and unlimited free beer every night. Cop free zone. They were around occasionally but turned a blind eye and nose to zillions of things.

Helo jumps, glider jumps, balloon jumps, jet jumps, Antonov 2 jumps...
Good times. Sadly jumpers died at every WFFC I attended except one.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I found this, and figured some of you may find it interesting and bring back memories for a few.

I never jumped a 727 but watching that vid makes me want to some day.

Thanks Sky, watching that video makes my periodic checking of this out-of-control DB thread worth it. The video shows the sheer joy and fun we have jumping out of perfectly good airplanes.

And how could you not love the FAs.

Thanks!

Guru312

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I never jumped a 727

...so you say..

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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377 said:

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They also have a C 97, the USAF version of the Boeing 377. It sits alone in a field near the museum. Aviation author Ralph Peterson attended WFFC and convinced the museum to cut the locks on the C 97 and let me and him explore the interior.

A Boeing377 wet dream no doubt. I’ll bet you were in heaven.

WFFC? I assume World Free Fall Championship?

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Sadly jumpers died at every WFFC I attended except one.

In the Fall of 1993 or the Spring of 1994 I was working at the Hanford Training Center which is next to the Richland (WA) airport (RLD). It’s a little group of government buildings adjacent to the runways and exactly 0.4 miles from Richland Skysports’ LZ.

They were having some sort of activity to break a record for the most (I don’t know what it’s called) “joined-up” skydivers. The DZ had a Cessna 206 that was it’s normal plane, but they had brought in a bunch of higher capacity planes (including a DC-3).

There were other activities going on and we were enjoying going out in the parking lot and observing when they were large groups jumping (I have some photos somewhere, one of our HP instructors was a participant). After the high population jumps, we would go back into the office until someone would say they were taking off again. Suddenly a Naval Reservist comes running in (un-badged) shouting: “Call 911… Call 911… there’s a dead skydiver on your lawn!” I went out and confirmed that it wasn’t our instructor and left as the EMTs were arriving.

What amazed me was the attitude of the skydivers that mirrors what I have always told my family in regard to me flying. He died doing what he loved. Oh, I’m sure there was grieving, but it must have taken place in private, nowhere that was observable to me. The weekend’s activities continued as scheduled, I don’t know if the record was broken, and everyone seemed “Okay with it.” I think that is a very healthy attitude.

One other thing:
I have two dreams in life that I hope to accomplish before I die. (1) to fly a P-51 Mustang, and (2) to fly a DC-3/C-46. The next day when I went out to snag a C-172 I frequently rented, the FBO’s A&P Mechanic asked me: “Did you get to fly the DC-3?” I said; “No, were they selling rides?” He said; “No, the pilot was giving right-seat rides to any of the local pilots who wanted to go!” Damn… Damn… Damn! I missed the chance of a lifetime.

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Oooohhhh! Orange1

...You ARE quick-witted!

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[SKYWHUFFO 1]

I uncovered this video of Cooper no pulling. The FBI doesn't know it exists till now!

Jerry, you need to change your search area based on this!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtPDjGE8RU

Happy holidays!

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Sluggo,

I was not on this one. I did not tape my Jet jump. It definately isn't jumping from a Casa, I'll tell you that, but it is surviveable especially if Cooper pulled on the step like you see with cargo drops sort of. I jumped the DC-9, I was a 727 so i can get my Cooper number. 377 did you jump the 727 at Quincy? That is my dream jump now.

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***No, I didn't get to jump the 727 or the Connie. Both were no shows in 99? my first WFFC. I went just to jump a Connie. I am a huge fan of big piston radial engined planes.
I did jump the C 54G and the Collings B 24 bomber that first visit. I was hooked on the WFFC and attended every year thereafter until it shut down.

Jumping the ATL 98 Carvair double deck DC 4 mod In 2005 was a once in a lifetime rare jumpship opportunity.
That Carvair's WFFC appearance was written up in Air Classics magazine and the article had two pix of me. The Carvair was so rare that some non jumper propliner fans came all the way from the UK just to see her fly.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.