DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

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All this makes me wonder if Cooper were depressed to the point of being suicidal. It might have given him whatever it takes to do something so incredibly brave and scary.

Just thinking.


377

Could be. Here's a bunch of suicide-by-aircraft stories. Check out the June 3-4 2002 one. The guy crashes a helicopter into a house, and when released from the hospital the next day, he grabs his 172 and finishes the job. Quite a few of the suicides were people who were facing criminal charges. I wonder if the FBI looked at that angle.

http://charlesorourke.com/suicide-by-airplane/

interesting.

Or religion.

from that site:
June 29, 1993 -- Gambell, Saint Lawrence Island, Alaska
A female passenger on a Piper Chieftain operating as Bering Air Flight 4660 (N4112D) deplaned upon arrival at Gambell, and then intentionally thrust her buttocks into the arc of the moving propeller. The propeller struck the woman's bottom and legs several times before sending her flying. As she received first aid, she exclaimed, "God told me to do this, I will not die!" She admitted during treatment that she had attempted suicide by walking into the propeller, and she tested negative for alcohol and drugs. The NTSB listed "the person's psychological condition" as a factor in the accident. (Source: NTSB)

[snowmman 3]

Sluggo said "But a serious post is a veritable WOW! Signal. "

I thought most of the posts were serious.

Which one was more serious? Which one are you referring to, Sluggo?

The last time I asked for an example of a "good" post, someone started with Larch Mtn.

We left that not even agreeing what Larch Mtn we were talking about.

So was that a good post or a bad post. Serious or non-serious.

Where are we on the Cooper investigation? I hear there's this guy Duane Weber who may have been involved.

You know it's kind of amazing, no matter how much drivel we all write, we all read it.

Mostly because this thread has nothing to do with Cooper.

Even when Ckret was posting. I wonder what his problem was?
Coming here, but then adamantly claiming Cooper had nothing to do with skydiving.

Is Ckret posting on some monster truck site somewhere? Should we go looking for him?

Or maybe on a tower site? Anyone being asking about tower lights on a forum somewhere recently?

Hey: Will anyone admit to shooting out tower lights (and at what height?)

[snowmman 3]

Why did everyone stop posting about Larch Mountain. Is there a coverup? Did someone get to someone? Is Larch Mountain the key to Weber, like 377 said? (base jump training?)

I can't figure it out.

[airtwardo 7]

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All this makes me wonder if Cooper were depressed to the point of being suicidal. It might have given him whatever it takes to do something so incredibly brave and scary.

Just thinking.


377

Could be. Here's a bunch of suicide-by-aircraft stories. Check out the June 3-4 2002 one. The guy crashes a helicopter into a house, and when released from the hospital the next day, he grabs his 172 and finishes the job. Quite a few of the suicides were people who were facing criminal charges. I wonder if the FBI looked at that angle.

http://charlesorourke.com/suicide-by-airplane/

~So what yer sayin' is, maybe we should be looking at 'nut-jobs' instead of 'Skydivers' ??






Wait, oh yeah...never-mind!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[skyjack71 0]

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Flight #305 was vulnerable in so many ways. The whole mindset (even the fuel being carried) was against any thought of a hijacking... a shortmilkrun the last of the day. That to my mind defines who Cooper was and how he thought. I seriously
doubt this same Cooper would have hijacked any normal flight on a normal day and time, as for
example McCoy did. Cooper is the gorilla passing through and depending on his grudge (if that was even true) he may not have been satisfied with the
message he left, if he lived to think about it.

Why in the WORLD would Georger, who contends to be a man of wealth and education and naysayer regarding Weber - make a statement that substanciates what I have been saying?

Georger was so CAUGHT OFF GUARD by the Gorilla he lost his focus on his intense battle to discredit Jo - resulting in a post that only confirms exactly what I (she) tried to state in her own elementary way - with the words she can sometimes NOT find.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Farflung 0]

Yes the EMO story is fantastic and most certainly related to Gorillas. The Gorilla makes for a great excuse as to how focused people can become on a task and not notice something as obvious as the 400 lb Gorilla in the room.

The EMO makes for a great example of how irrelevant the Gorilla as a distraction may be. Strange how these PHDs avoid the study of navel-gazing being the root cause for so many calamities. Or are they......???

Much the way 377 illustrates the lifecycle of intelligent decision making. From the damned $25 surplus reserve produced by the lowest bidder to the sage purchase of such a reliable piece of equipment capable of preserving life and money. Will the ground truth ever be discovered?

What was it that possessed me to promise marriage, money and real estate to a woman only to find myself searching for a quick and permanent escape 15 minutes later? The world may never know.

When my house was sky rocketing in value it was due to my brilliant selection of neighborhood, building material and the orientation of the front elevation to 184 degrees magnetic. The deflation of my homes value is due to the freakin' recession. In reality, I'm quite aware that a zoophyte would have had the same financial experience which renders my input during that time frame irrelevant.

The Cooper analysis. What is the 400 lb Gorilla in the room, that is in fact not a distraction because the participation of individuals may have no impact upon the result?

Is Cooper a grizzled, combat veteran, jump-master trained in 'weld-jumping' and survival sciences where the dark art of obstacle light navigation is used to guide former felons who attended Ranger training to a blown pipeline valve in the night? or

Is he some 'Uber-Goober' from the DMV who simply got fed up and lucked out?

[snowmman 3]

responding to Jo's post about Georger.

Georger did not send me this as PM. I mean the PM was not from Georger who didn't send it to me.

Sympathy For DBC (Georger/Duane)


Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long long year stolen many man's soul and faith
I was around when Jesus Christ had His moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate washed his hands and sealed His fate
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game

Stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Tzar and his ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank held a gen'rals rank when the blitzkrieg
raged and the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name. Oh yeah
Ah what's puzzling you is the nature of my game. Oh yeah

I watched the glee while your kings and queens fought for
ten decades for the Gods they made
I shouted out "Who killed the Kennedy's?" when after all
it was you and me
Let me please introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I lay traps for troubadors who get killed before they reach Bombay
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name. Oh yeah
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game. Oh yeah
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game

Just as every cop is a criminal and all the sinners, Saints
as heads is tails, just call me Lucifer 'cause I'm in need
of some restraint
So if you meet me, have some courtesy have some sympathy
and some taste
Use all your well learned politesse or I'll lay your soul to waste
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game

[skyjack71 0]

N242SA

"All this makes me wonder if Cooper were depressed to the point of being suicidal. It might have given him whatever it takes to do something so incredibly brave and scary."

377:

Makes me want to go back and see what was being posted around Dec 14, of 2000. It was not this or the prior Cooper thread so it had to be elsewhere.

Do you remember where you took this quote from...and why you had reason to recall and remember exactly where to find it? My reason is that it seems most discussions on Cooper end up going in that direction soon or later...and that is exactly what happens when a profile of Weber is done - note, I said Weber and not Cooper. Not enough is known about Cooper to create a profile that could be accurate in every respect...

As for the proof you keep asking for - would you present it prior to being in the court room? No, you would used in to prove beyond a doubt the accused was the perpretator...in your final arguments in a court room. Now what would your motive be in doing this? You know the answer to this - and it has a $ sign along with a word spelled J-U-S-T-I-C-E.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[377 22]

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So what yer sayin' is, maybe we should be looking at 'nut-jobs' instead of 'Skydivers' ??

Wait, oh yeah...never-mind!

Good one Airtwardo !

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

Jo,

I just posted what you put in quotation marks a few hours ago. I didnt cut and paste it from anything prior.

Your excuses for not providing proof make no sense to me.

We are not in a courtroom. This is a skydiving forum. This is the Internet. People claim all sorts of things here and without credible evidence, the claims are rightfully regarded as BS.

Even if we were in a courtoom, evidence isn't presented in final argument. It is presented during the trial, where jurors can judge its credibility and witnesses like you can be cross examined. If you were a witness trying to prove Duane was Cooper you'd be shredded even by a rookie. You either have the evidence or you don't. You don't.

You have failed to present ANY evidence that Duane was Cooper. You have only made unsubstantiated claims and huge leaps of logic that are nearly incomprehensible to clear thinking people.

You think the FBI's failure to prove Duane wasnt Cooper proves something. It proves NOTHING regarding Duane. ZERO.

You think the fact that the FBI lied to you about Duane proves that they know Duane was Cooper or connected to Cooper. IT DOES NOT

You think the FBI knows who Cooper was. OK PROVE IT.

You think the FBI is engaged in a coverup of Cooper's identity. OK, PROVE IT.

You think Duane's unexplained knowledge of the area in which Cooper was thought to have jumped proves he was Cooper or connected to Norjack. IT DOES NOT PROVE EITHER.

You claimed Duane received Ranger training and parachute training. OK, PROVE IT. I'd bet you huge odds that neither is true, but you'd never admit you lost the bet.

The reason you can't present evidence is that you do not possess it. It's just like a con, except that you are not asking for money, just attention and notoriety.

It's OK Jo, I am at peace with your obsession. I truly am. You aren't evil, just obsessed. I'd love to find out that Duane was actually Cooper, but the evidence just isn't there. You can't accept the truth so you expend great effort researching the most improbable scenarios.

I really hope you arent being conned by greedy "investigators" who sense a good mark in an elderly person with some money and an obsession.

You had Sluggo in your corner, a very smart guy, an intense interest in Norjack, a heart of gold, and a man of honor. You cast him aside and have allied yourself with "my guys" whoever they are.

You cry about the abuse you get but you could stop it in a second by merely posting the probative evidence you claim to have.

If you BS here Jo, and unsubstantiated extravagant claims are regarded as BS, then you will get shredded, ridiculed and insulted. This is a skydiving forum. That' what skydivers do on their home turf.

Why havent you gone on Coast to Coast AM? You'd find a receptive audience and would have a much higher probablility of finding people willing to help you than you do here.

Your story has a lot of initial appeal to the Cooper newbies. Use that to your advantage. It is useless here, we are all jaded.

Happy New Year Jo. I hope 2010 brings you peace.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

377 you're full of shit.

I've got the goods on him. An OGA had me wired when we talked.

partial transcripts:

Snowmman "So, what's with this DBC thread thing on DZ.com...I mean how can you hold your head up at the DZ?"

377:

Snowmman "What? What? Tell me?"

377:

Snowmman "You're screwing someone?"

377:

Snowmman "You're screwing something?"

377: "You got that right, I'm screwing them all. I'm making so much off this DBC thread, that when everyone jumps for free, for a year, I don't think I'll have to worry much about my rep at the DZ"

There was a topo map of Larch Mtn in the backseat of his car.

[snowmman 3]

377 said "Your story has a lot of initial appeal to the Cooper newbies. Use that to your advantage. It is useless here, we are all jaded."

I think a lot of the appeal is that she's a woman and there's the dying deathbed thing.

If she was a guy, she wouldn't have been able to get so much mileage out of this.

Look at poor Gossett. They had to trot out his ex-wife, and she did the best she could, but nothing compared to Jo.

Remember: Gossett confessed too, as did my dog.
(edit) I had to remind her, I can tell she's a she, without checking.

(edit) all 3 of my dogs are female, so I get to have an opinion about females. I saw a human female once at the truckstop, but I didn't slow down, so I didn't get a good look.

(edit) Found a clip of Duane Weber's ranger team on a beach landing training mission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkpsNw3oM0Q

Clip of Duane Weber firing a howitzer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_GfE8PP1E&feature=related

[377 22]

Really liked your post Farflung. Sounds like we shared some bad luck in choices of mates.

That Cooper Escape Vehicle was interesting. Grafting a Ford Pinto onto a Cessna 337 airframe seemed like a good idea until in flight structural failure killed the enterprise.

Air cars keep on coming. There are a few which are in development as we speak. They raise capital and even produce a few flying vehicles but they never ever work out commercially.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

So are there two Larch Mountain towers separated by 15 miles? Someone get me oriented here.

Ranger Duane knew his towers, local airports and lights like the back of his hand. McCoy, a mere rotor jockey with a few sport jumps had nothing on Duane with his tower base jumps and all that.

Duane knew exactly where he was at all times during the flight. His exit was carefully planned. He landed within a mile of his intended LZ center. Getting out wasn't so hard. Jo likely knows more about that egress than she tells here.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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So are there two Larch Mountain towers separated by 15 miles? Someone get me oriented here.

Ranger Duane knew his towers, local airports and lights like the back of his hand. McCoy, a mere rotor jockey with a few sport jumps had nothing on Duane with his tower base jumps and all that.

Duane knew exactly where he was at all times during the flight. His exit was carefully planned. He landed within a mile of his intended LZ center. Getting out wasn't so hard. Jo likely knows more about that egress than she tells here.

377

I think what Sluggo was telling us, is that we were focused on Larch Mountain, WA elevation 3480 ft, the highest free-standing peak in Clark County with a minimum security prison/work camp nearby.

But that we should have been investigating Larch Mountain, OR elevation 3452 feet, Washington County, OR.

The lookout tower (edit) (well in 1971, gone in '76) and radio tower (unsure in 1971 but 2 there now) is on Larch Mountain, WA and near the flight path (just N or Portland)

There is no lookout tower or radio tower on Larch Mountain, OR.

That's the Gorilla in the Room.

There is no Gorilla. The No-Gorilla is the Gorilla. (edit) Just like there was no Gorilla in the professor's video.

Halfway between the two Larch Mountains, is the Oregon Zoo. (in Portland/Beavorton). They have Gorillas there, I believe.

The Larch Mountain in OR, while way off the flight path, seems like an even better DZ.

More clear area.

That's where Duane must have buried the money??

image attached from GE

I can't think of any other reason why Sluggo introduced Gorillas here.

Here are driving directions between the two
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Larch+Mountain+(Clark+County,+Washington)&daddr=Larch+Mountain+(Washington+County,+Oregon)&hl=en&geocode=CaG2vsBL1XUuFeyVuQIdcuq1-CGP3bl9AvhasA%3BFY20uAIdCqek-CER4MdzX4q__w&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=45.615874,-122.757439&sspn=1.250639,1.661682&ie=UTF8&ll=45.614037,-122.860107&spn=1.250682,1.661682&t=h&z=9&dirflg=d

That's why Duane couldn't remember where he buried the money. He was looking on the wrong Larch Mountain.

[snowmman 3]

There's another Larch Mountain in Olympia, WA

SW of Tacoma/Ft. Lewis.

Is this how Duane knew about Tacoma?

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Larch+Mtn,+WA&hl=en&ei=P-9CS5jXFJLUtAOsi7jnCA&sll=46.987319,-123.137648&sspn=0.015224,0.032015&ie=UTF8&view=map&geocode=FTf4zAIdkBGp-A&split=0&ved=0CBIQpQY&hq=&hnear=Larch+Mountain,+Olympia,+Thurston,+Washington+98512&ll=47.089761,-122.794189&spn=0.608685,0.830841&t=h&z=10

It's all coming together I think?

Three Larch Mountains. All part of the puzzle, both the crime, and the subsequent coverup.

[snowmman 3]

Charlie died Sept 17, 2009.

Was he murdered?

Charlie was born in 1970, one year before Duane hijacked 305.

There are pictures of Charlie there. I'm going to make him my avatar.
http://www.kptv.com/news/20976512/detail.html

POSTED: 7:18 pm PDT September 17, 2009
UPDATED: 10:27 am PDT September 18, 2009

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Charlie, the patriarch of the Oregon Zoo's chimpanzees, died unexpectedly Thursday afternoon, zoo officials said.

Charlie was 39 years old.

A volunteer noticed Charlie was in distress around 2 p.m.

Veterinarians and animal-care staff rushed to the scene but four female chimpanzees were surrounding Charlie, zoo officials said in a news release. It took several minutes to get the females away and Charlie was already dead when veterinarians got to him.

"We thought we'd have another 20 years," said Dave Thomas, senior primate keeper. "It's the end of an era and the zoo will never be the same. We have to go on though -- to provide care and support for our remaining females: Delilah, Leah, Coco and Chloe."

A memorial event for Charlie is being planned, officials said.

Charlie was born in the wild forests of Africa in 1970. He came to the U.S. as a pet and was given to the zoo in 1972.



Maybe he was a pet of Duane Weber's?

[snowmman 3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliwice_Radio_Tower

The Gliwice Radio Tower is the transmission tower of the Gliwice, Upper Silesia, Poland, radio station, situated on Tarnogórska Road in Szobiszowice.

It is an 118-metre high (including the 8 metre long spire on its top) construction of impregnated larch wood framework. The tower was nicknamed "the Silesian Eiffel Tower" by the local population, although the similarities are minor.

Gliwice Radio Tower has four platforms, which are 40.4 m, 55.3 m, 80.0 m and 109.7 m above ground. The platform on its top has a size of 2.13 x 2.13 m. For access to its top, there is a ladder with 365 steps.

Gliwice Radio Tower is perhaps the tallest wooden structure in the world. It is designed to carry aerials for medium wave broadcasting, but the transmitter is not in service any more.

Gliwice Radio Tower was built in 1935 in order to replace the former smaller transmitter of Gliwice situated in Raudener Street. It went in service on 23 December 1935.

On 31 August 1939, the Germans staged a 'Polish' attack on Gleiwitz radio station, which was later used as justification for the Invasion of Poland. The transmission facility was not demolished in World War II. From 4 October 1945, until the inauguration of the new transmitter in Ruda n 1955, the Gliwice transmitter was used for medium wave broadcasting of the Polish Broadcasting Company. After 1955, the transmitter was used as a jammer against medium wave transmitters broadcasting Western Polish-language programmes, e.g. Radio Free Europe.

The medium wave transmitter is no longer workable, because the final stage is missing.

Today, the Gliwice Radio Tower carries multiple transceiver antennas for mobile phone services and a low power FM transmitter.

[snowmman 3]

Does anyone know if the Gliwice tower has lights on it?
It's in Poland so I'm not sure.

118 meters -> 387 feet. so pretty tall.

Even in South Africa that's tall, and South Africa is closer to the center of the earth. (which only matters for commercial wooden towers).

[Farflung 0]

The Gilwice Radio Tower is equipped with obstacle lighting ( Gilwice Tower Lighting ).

But it has not been upgraded and still requires 'man-in-the-loop' operation ( Tower Lighting On Switch ).

So hats off to the people of Upper Silesia and the worlds largest, free-standing, semi-functional tower with a vague resemblance to the Parisian counterpart. For without their contribution the impregnated larch wood industry would not be what it is today.

[georger 244]

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The Gilwice Radio Tower is equipped with obstacle lighting ( Gilwice Tower Lighting ).

But it has not been upgraded and still requires 'man-in-the-loop' operation ( Tower Lighting On Switch ).

So hats off to the people of Upper Silesia and the worlds largest, free-standing, semi-functional tower with a vague resemblance to the Parisian counterpart. For without their contribution the impregnated larch wood industry would not be what it is today.

call em up, F'f'fffarff' lung:

Tarnogórska 129 St.
PL 44-100 Gliwice
tel. 0 693 131 292

[snowmman 3]

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The Gilwice Radio Tower is equipped with obstacle lighting ( Gilwice Tower Lighting ).

But it has not been upgraded and still requires 'man-in-the-loop' operation ( Tower Lighting On Switch ).

So hats off to the people of Upper Silesia and the worlds largest, free-standing, semi-functional tower with a vague resemblance to the Parisian counterpart. For without their contribution the impregnated larch wood industry would not be what it is today.

Excellent Farflung. I knew you would grasp the import of this.

Beyond what you highlight, I had no idea the US was so behind in claims to wood tower heights.

Also
1) Has this tower been base jumped? (I would think the world's highest wooden tower, means it's just begging to be jumped? It seems high enough to be safe?

2) Why doesn't some crazy fool in the US build a 400' high wood tower? Maybe the appropriate fools haven't been told of the issue.

I saw some great pictures of the golden age of ski jumping. They built downhill ski jumps for stadiums in Chicago and LA
all out of wood.

Amazing structures. I think Duane may have supervised.

Attached photos.

1) A ski jump is readied for competition at Soldier Field, Chicago, 1937 (from FHS Archives).

2) Prefabricated, demountable 180' TECO timber connector-built wooden ski jump tower at Soldier Field, February 1937 (FHS Archives). (I can't believe this was moved around..looks shaky)

3) more chicago

4) LA stadium ski jump (height 165 feet)

The US used to be big..I mean look at these ski jumps in the late 30's.
What happened that Poland could overtake us?

And now the World Cup is in South Africa.

I mean, we still have the engineering drawings from the '40s. We can do it!

(edit) Did Jo say whether Duane skied? I have the feeling he may have, but kept it secret from Jo? He wore a sweater in one photo.

[snowmman 3]

more temporary ski jumps built in stadiums.

We could built a wooden tower to the moon..we just don't want to show off!

China on the other hand: all ego!

I do believe I see Duane in the picture from Multnomah Civic Center.

(these are even better photos than the previous..just stunning in their insanity)

(edit) I'm thinking of skateboard kids who just want a little park and we complain. If they saw these things, they'd storm the White House!

(edit) details of the Multnomah temporary ski jump event:
"According to the Ski Jumping Hill Archive, this jump was erected by the Cascade Ski Club during the Rose Festival in 1953. The ski jump was built at Civic Stadium, and at its highest point was 47 meters (154 feet) above the field. Four “ice powder machines” cranked out 200 tons of artificial snow, which lasted all week despite some classic Rose Festival weather: warm rain during the evenings.

The winner of the ski jumping competition, after four rounds, was Portlander Arne Hoel, with a best jump distance of 131 feet. This shouldn’t be too surprising, since Arne Hoel, competing for Norway, had finished sixth in the individual large hill ski jump at the 1952 Winter Olympics in Oslo."

"Thousands of Portlanders saw these jumps that packed the stadium stands in two successive Rose Festivals. One year I was the starter at the top of the in-run sending them on their way. The program closed with fireworks launched from the scaffolding. The manager warned me to run down the inrun walk right after the last jumper as it wouldn’t be safe during the fireworks launch. The first night I stayed on top to watch the show. From that point it looked rather dangerous, so the second night I followed advice and got down to the ground.

When that year’s winner, Arne Hoel, left to return to Norway, I ended up with his downhill skis.
Those were great Rose Festival shows in the stadium. I probably went to most of them, beginning in the very early 1930s."

from http://ourpdx.com/2009/06/remember-the-ski-jump-in-civic-stadium/

[georger 244]

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The Gilwice Radio Tower is equipped with obstacle lighting ( Gilwice Tower Lighting ).

But it has not been upgraded and still requires 'man-in-the-loop' operation ( Tower Lighting On Switch ).

So hats off to the people of Upper Silesia and the worlds largest, free-standing, semi-functional tower with a vague resemblance to the Parisian counterpart. For without their contribution the impregnated larch wood industry would not be what it is today.

snow troll forgot to attach the photos at the bottom of the page he quoted from - here is
one of the photos - looks like lights to me
but on this forum who knows? Maybe you wont
see them? who cares -

[snowmman 3]

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The Gilwice Radio Tower is equipped with obstacle lighting ( Gilwice Tower Lighting ).

But it has not been upgraded and still requires 'man-in-the-loop' operation ( Tower Lighting On Switch ).

So hats off to the people of Upper Silesia and the worlds largest, free-standing, semi-functional tower with a vague resemblance to the Parisian counterpart. For without their contribution the impregnated larch wood industry would not be what it is today.

snow troll forgot to attach the photos at the bottom of the page he quoted from - here is
one of the photos - looks like lights to me
but on this forum who knows? Maybe you wont
see them? who cares -

Ah okay. Thanks Georger. So there are definitely lights on the larch tower in Poland.

I still don't see what Sluggo was complaining about. I don't think we missed any gorillas??