snowmman 3
Quoteyou mean like Belgium, Jo?
that would be odd.
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The kind of reply I have come to expect - WHAT are you guys going to do if I am right? I am more right than wrong other than the theories I followed.which only hurt me , but then it was OK for Carr to theorize, because he is FBI...and he does not have a clue who Cooper was.
I have sent pictures and what I have been able to find to someone who will be able to chase down what I am looking for. Sure - maybe this is just is just an old book - but whatever it is or was - it was important to Duane. He was a man with no past - no pictures and no family. What we have acquired of his past life is skimpy and the FBI did not help at all.
fits the profile of a skyjacker according to a book I read .... Over a dozen skyjackers where studied by the writer within the penal system. It is a known fact several such individuals where incarcerated within the penal system during the last two residencies Weber had in the system in 1960 and 1966.
Not one of you took the challenge of finding what prisons the skyjackers were incarcerated in and the period of time they were there - I gave the date range of several yrs and told you how many incidents occurred.
I have come to the consensus that NOT ONE of you REALLY want to KNOW what REALLY HAPPENED - on that night in Nov. of 1971. Regardless of how many books are written and how many subjects are presented - NO one will ever prove WHO Cooper was to the satisfaction of all those interested or the FBI.
Military Documents ordered declassified unfortunately this in in Buenos Aires and not the USA.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
snowmman 3
Jo said "Not one of you took the challenge of finding what prisons the skyjackers were incarcerated in and the period of time they were there - I gave the date range of several yrs and told you how many incidents occurred."
Only information gathered thru legal means is posted.
The rest we sell on the open market. There's a web site, with servers in Lithuania.
There's someone there with Duane Weber information. He needs some cash though. His name is Ivan.
Only information gathered thru legal means is posted.
The rest we sell on the open market. There's a web site, with servers in Lithuania.
There's someone there with Duane Weber information. He needs some cash though. His name is Ivan.
Orange1 0
QuoteColumbia, hydrology, basins, geology, water, tides,
etc etc etc ..... and yet railroad tracks used daily in
1971 run right behind Tina Bar back up to the Scotton area a prime DZ if you accept a later timeframe for the drop.
During the Manhattan days a set of train tracks
ran right into Alomorgodo and out to one of the
research facilities and every now and then a bum
would get off a train wondering where he was and looking for a free lunch.... in spite of every train being heavily guarded. The bums were always
asked: "How did you get here?" even though the answer was obvious. It was a routine question
that had to be asked (part of the protocols). The
answer is every case was: "I came via the Columbia" !
well that's a theory. jump, get on a train, lose some money at Tena Bar.
Like I say, why do people prefer complicated scenarios, when the simple ones aren't excluded?
Doesn't mean Cooper had to get on a train. Money fell somewhere, hobo picked them up and dropped them, they fell on the train (what times did trains run? sure it's far fetched but...)
Oh and all this fanciful prison theory. Ken Kesey imprisoned in California and after that returned to his famiy home in... Oregon. Timothy Leary was also imprisoned at Folsom. Between the KNOWN grudges against the CIA/govt respectively, and the Kool-Aid angle, surely that makes these guys at least as likely a candidate for Cooper as Duane? Jo, can you pleae prove that neither was Cooper?
Jo, you asked what we would do if you are right. We have all told you this before: we would eat humble pie and congratulate you on being vindicated. However after a few years of promising proof that always poofs, it is clear that you are NOT right because you would have proved it by now. When someone asks you a simple yes or no question, you always give a long rambling response that can really be summed up in one word: "no". (Like the recent question about the notebook, as just one example.) Come on - I dare you - show us we are wrong.
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
I ran out to my junk pile to see if I could find a stainless bar that was longer than airtwardo's. All I found was three 21' lengths of 2 1/2" old rusty gas pipe I over ordered for a job 25 years ago. Right now, before coffee, I'm going out to see how many pull ups I can do. Be right back!
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
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Jo wrote:
Translation: ...NOT ONE of you REALLY want to KNOW what REALLY HAPPENED when Duane jumped from that 727 on that night in Nov. of 1971.
Orange is right Jo. You can't answer a yes or no question with a single word. They are always long rambling equivocal statements. You say Duane was Cooper, knew Cooper, etc. The one thing we can depend on is ZERO evidence backing up your claims. You gripe about the FBI withholding evidence. How amusingly hypocritical.
If you think Snow is neither rude nor abrasive no wonder you cling to the belief that Duane was Cooper. Both require ignoring contrary evidence.
We are ALL interested in solving the case and that includes Ckret and his employer.
377
Quote...NOT ONE of you REALLY want to KNOW what REALLY HAPPENED - on that night in Nov. of 1971.
Translation: ...NOT ONE of you REALLY want to KNOW what REALLY HAPPENED when Duane jumped from that 727 on that night in Nov. of 1971.
Orange is right Jo. You can't answer a yes or no question with a single word. They are always long rambling equivocal statements. You say Duane was Cooper, knew Cooper, etc. The one thing we can depend on is ZERO evidence backing up your claims. You gripe about the FBI withholding evidence. How amusingly hypocritical.
If you think Snow is neither rude nor abrasive no wonder you cling to the belief that Duane was Cooper. Both require ignoring contrary evidence.
We are ALL interested in solving the case and that includes Ckret and his employer.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Not me, I use this thread as entertainment, you know like masturbation, I read it in the shower so my girlfriend won't know.
She gave me shit for reading it yesterday. I told her to mind her own business and she said I would be masturbating in the shower for the next week if I didn't shut up. So I guess I have permission to read it one more week.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
She gave me shit for reading it yesterday. I told her to mind her own business and she said I would be masturbating in the shower for the next week if I didn't shut up. So I guess I have permission to read it one more week.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
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QuoteThere's someone there with Duane Weber information. He needs some cash though. His name is Ivan.
Sometimes I worry that Jo is already paying some Ivans. She is such a ripe target for con artist "investigators." Who are "my guys"?
She will deny it but I wonder if she has fronted some "expense" money to "guys" who claim to be hot on the trail of evidence proving Duane was connected to Norjack, CIA, Rangers etc.
She can't provide the evidence because they haven't. They string her along so she has to string us along. She thinks the evidence is coming. We know it isn't.
I have always thought Jo was sincere in her beliefs. This explanation preserves that assessment and shows that we are just secondary non paying victims of a classic con.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
I jumped an H-34/S58 once. Only because I was paid to video someones jump. That was one of the scariest rides I've ever been on.
We had to fly at 500' until all the other loads were clear. That thing was spewing oil of every kind, I had to dodge the spurts so they wouldn't get on my rig. I finally realized that from 500' due to the rotor wash I probably couldn't get a reserve open before I bounced. I lived, got paid and won't jump one again.
>>(edit) bonus points: what jumpships did he use in Saigon?
(edit) bonus points: name of first wife.
(edit) bonus points: name a skydiver that has jumped with him.
Like I said, I'm not here for the bonus points, just the masturbation, unless it's the first post on 666. Now that's bonus points.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
We had to fly at 500' until all the other loads were clear. That thing was spewing oil of every kind, I had to dodge the spurts so they wouldn't get on my rig. I finally realized that from 500' due to the rotor wash I probably couldn't get a reserve open before I bounced. I lived, got paid and won't jump one again.
>>(edit) bonus points: what jumpships did he use in Saigon?
(edit) bonus points: name of first wife.
(edit) bonus points: name a skydiver that has jumped with him.
Like I said, I'm not here for the bonus points, just the masturbation, unless it's the first post on 666. Now that's bonus points.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
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QuoteI jumped an H-34/S58 once. Only because I was paid to video someones jump. That was one of the scariest rides I've ever been on.
Radial engined S 58? I declined an invite to ride in one. Scary aircraft.
We had a turbine conversion S 58T at WFFC. It was a little less scary.
I LOVE riding in old radial engined jumpships but worry a lot between takeoff and 1000 ft, the death zone.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Quote>>(edit) bonus points: what jumpships did he use in Saigon?
H 19?
Every time we add a clue it makes Georgers search easier.
I am guessing he made at least one jump with Thom Lyons. Just a guess based on time, locations etc.
Did you ever jump at the DZ at Santa Rosa? I figured you might have if you live near Snows candidate. I liked that DZ mostly because I got to see all the fire tanker planes in action during the summer. I remember a 98 degree day and a P2V5 Neptune tanker. It used up every inch of runway taking off and looked like it was climbing at about 100 ft per minute. The operator had removed the two aux jets and it was relying 100 percent on its tempermental Wright R 3350 radials. Scary to watch. I guess he could have dropped his retardant load if he lost an engine on climbout but it looked marginal. Those tanker pilots earn their pay the hard way.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
I haven't jumped in a few years since back surgery. So no I haven't jumped in Santa Rosa.
I organized the opening of the Crazy Creek drop zone in Middletown in the early 90s. Don't think they jump there anymore. I left when things turned to shit. I heard their 182 ended up in Santa Rosa.
I am getting the urge to jump again after a wicked recovery from back surgery. It really sucks to realize I'm no longer immortal.
My girlfriend has started jogging and the only way I can keep up is with roller blades. When I graduate to jogging I guess I'll clear myself to jump.
I'm also getting the urge to base jump again but I keep reminding myself that in my old age I really don't like pain pills that much anymore.
I took my check ride for my pilots license out of Sonoma County many years ago and get to see the bombers work every now and then. Those guys are bad ass, no question!
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
I organized the opening of the Crazy Creek drop zone in Middletown in the early 90s. Don't think they jump there anymore. I left when things turned to shit. I heard their 182 ended up in Santa Rosa.
I am getting the urge to jump again after a wicked recovery from back surgery. It really sucks to realize I'm no longer immortal.
My girlfriend has started jogging and the only way I can keep up is with roller blades. When I graduate to jogging I guess I'll clear myself to jump.
I'm also getting the urge to base jump again but I keep reminding myself that in my old age I really don't like pain pills that much anymore.
I took my check ride for my pilots license out of Sonoma County many years ago and get to see the bombers work every now and then. Those guys are bad ass, no question!
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
snowmman 3
QuoteI ran out to my junk pile to see if I could find a stainless bar that was longer than airtwardo's. All I found was three 21' lengths of 2 1/2" old rusty gas pipe I over ordered for a job 25 years ago. Right now, before coffee, I'm going out to see how many pull ups I can do. Be right back!
Now this is a good post. I'm telling you, the evidence says: Get the Bar, You Get The Redhead.
Airtwardo the elder has spoken. It's up to us as to whether we listen and learn.
(edit) for those who believe this is off-topic. The money was found at Tena Bar.
snowmman 3
377 said "Sometimes I worry that Jo is already paying some Ivans. She is such a ripe target for con artist "investigators." Who are "my guys"?"
Don't know. But I think she would make a lot more progress if she paid them more. Maybe take out some mortgages on the house. The main thing that's keeping her from unlocking the secret of Duane Weber is that she needs to spend more money.
Maybe just go to the local DZ and hand out cash? Good things might happen?
Don't know. But I think she would make a lot more progress if she paid them more. Maybe take out some mortgages on the house. The main thing that's keeping her from unlocking the secret of Duane Weber is that she needs to spend more money.
Maybe just go to the local DZ and hand out cash? Good things might happen?
snowmman 3
hangdiver: "I jumped an H-34/S58 once. Only because I was paid to video someones jump. That was one of the scariest rides I've ever been on. "
Ever jump a Dakota?
Ever jump a Dakota?
When doing pull ups on a bar are you supposed to do them palms facing you or palms away? I could only do 5 with palms facing away from me. That's how I was told duane did them.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
snowmman 3
hangdiver said "
Like I said, I'm not here for the bonus points, just the masturbation, unless it's the first post on 666. Now that's bonus points. "
I've been wondering how thats going to work out.
As you can see, there's a lag sometimes, in terms of seeing other people's posts.
So how can we guarantee 377 posts first on 666. We could all wait, but we'd have to stop at some appropriate place to allow for possible lag time from other posts, to make sure we don't overrun page 665.
But then 377 might have to make a couple posts to clear out page 665.
That seems like cheating. The rules should be that the first poster on 666 can't also be the last poster on 665
But then there's a trust factor. If we wait, what's to prevent some cheater newbie from stepping in and grapping the first post on 666? Or one of us?
I've got my doubts that we can pull this off.
And then I'm worried, that if we miss it, we have to wait another 666 pages before we can try again.
This is kind of stressful. I mean we could do a practice run. I've noticed I've hit the first post on a page a couple of times recently. But it's not really a controllable thing.
I think I'm going to puke from the stress.
Like I said, I'm not here for the bonus points, just the masturbation, unless it's the first post on 666. Now that's bonus points. "
I've been wondering how thats going to work out.
As you can see, there's a lag sometimes, in terms of seeing other people's posts.
So how can we guarantee 377 posts first on 666. We could all wait, but we'd have to stop at some appropriate place to allow for possible lag time from other posts, to make sure we don't overrun page 665.
But then 377 might have to make a couple posts to clear out page 665.
That seems like cheating. The rules should be that the first poster on 666 can't also be the last poster on 665
But then there's a trust factor. If we wait, what's to prevent some cheater newbie from stepping in and grapping the first post on 666? Or one of us?
I've got my doubts that we can pull this off.
And then I'm worried, that if we miss it, we have to wait another 666 pages before we can try again.
This is kind of stressful. I mean we could do a practice run. I've noticed I've hit the first post on a page a couple of times recently. But it's not really a controllable thing.
I think I'm going to puke from the stress.
Amazon 7
QuoteQuoteamazon said " No body ever found along the river... leads me to surmise he did not land in the water and drown. "
Amazon: I posted a couple of cases of drownings in the Columbia, in that area, (including one around the time period) where the body was never found.
One was an plane. Textronix executive and his girlfriend.
The claims of "the body would be found" are not accurate.
Interestingly I was last night watching a documentary on a flood at a town called Laingsburg in 1981. One river leading into another down to the sea a few hundred km's away would have been the water flow. 72 bodies were never found.
During a flood you have other dynamics working like houses and trees and cars and other debris washing along and crushing mangling the bodies or burial under rock or mud.
Without those dynamics.. in a river with normal flow its just not common.
The amount of fisherman all over the Lower Columbia River going after Salmon , Steelhead, and Sturgeon all fall winter and spring are litterally hundreds of boats a day during the slow periods during the week to many thousands every weekend. those are a LOT of eyes... not to mention all those hooks.
That depends on if it is the formal name of the aircraft or the nickname. I have numerous jumps out of C-47s/DC-3s known as Goonybirds or Dakotas. Never jumped from a Piper Dakota at least that I can remember.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
snowmman 3
QuoteWhen doing pull ups on a bar are you supposed to do them palms facing you or palms away? I could only do 5 with palms facing away from me. That's how I was told duane did them.
pullup is palms out.
chinup is palms in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin-up
no kipping!
world records here:
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html
vietnamese guy has the record for most in 3 minutes (100)
100 Ngo Xuan Chuyen (VIE) 1988 "Strongest Soldier in Vietnam" contest
snowmman 3
QuoteThat depends on if it is the formal name of the aircraft or the nickname. I have numerous jumps out of C-47s/DC-3s known as Goonybirds or Dakotas. Never jumped from a Piper Dakota at least that I can remember.
ah! I was always curious how much it costs per hour to rent a C-47. I have no idea how much you guys pay for this sport.
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QuoteWhen doing pull ups on a bar are you supposed to do them palms facing you or palms away? I could only do 5 with palms facing away from me. That's how I was told duane did them.
Duane did them with one hand. Uber-Ranger style.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
QuoteQuoteWhen doing pull ups on a bar are you supposed to do them palms facing you or palms away? I could only do 5 with palms facing away from me. That's how I was told duane did them.
Duane did them with one hand. Uber-Ranger style.
377
you can actually work up to a bit of a cheat that's good.
doing one hand on, one hand holding a towel flipped over the bar (both ends) is a good start.
then do "one hand" with the other hand grasping the wrist of your pulling hand. Still pretty good.
Columbia, hydrology, basins, geology, water, tides,
etc etc etc ..... and yet railroad tracks used daily in
1971 run right behind Tina Bar back up to the Scotton area a prime DZ if you accept a later timeframe for the drop.
During the Manhattan days a set of train tracks
ran right into Alomorgodo and out to one of the
research facilities and every now and then a bum
would get off a train wondering where he was and looking for a free lunch.... in spite of every train being heavily guarded. The bums were always
asked: "How did you get here?" even though the answer was obvious. It was a routine question
that had to be asked (part of the protocols). The
answer is every case was: "I came via the Columbia" !
well that's a theory. jump, get on a train, lose some money at Tena Bar.
Like I say, why do people prefer complicated scenarios, when the simple ones aren't excluded?
Another transport system is the storm drains. I used to crawl them as a kid.
Another is bicycle. Easier to steal bicycles sometimes.
But why create that complexity? it's not needed?