DB Cooper

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Hell I only have 8 cutaways since I started in 1972

5 of those were on Capewells almost always due to packing excellence on my part ( 1 of them was an Air Force rigger that I had a LONG chat with)

3 are on 3 ring rigs. My fairly new Samurai had a slider hangup on deployment after a speed dive at the meet at Jumptown MA in 2004.. friggin new canopy landed in the freakin river and found by a fisherman. As we were searching for it.. I saw him cruising down the river with it all wet and balled up in the bow of his little Aluminium boat.

see this gives me more respect for Amazon, and more reason to listen to her about "how to do it". I'm sure it must give her vastly more confidence and mental control by having done a bunch.

Let's hear some more. What's the brain sequence work like..how long before "time to cut" till everything's okay again.

(edit) I've been first post on the last 4 out of 5 pages. 377 beat me once. Posers! You think you're going to get first post on a page the first time you try, the time you need it work? 666?

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friggin new canopy landed in the freakin river and found by a fisherman. As we were searching for it.. I saw him cruising down the river with it all wet and balled up in the bow of his little Aluminium boat.

Wonder if some boaters found Cooper? If he still had a lot of non rotted cash attached they'd likely take it. They'd know they'd be questioned about money if they turned in the body.

"Hell, he's dead anyway. We can get a REALLY nice boat with some of this money. What's the point in taking the body in?"

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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You think you're going to get first post on a page the first time you try, the time you need it work? 666?

Snow is fooling around with some sort of post and delete strategy to screw me out of my rightful 666 slot. I just know it.

He is also recruiting an Icelandic girl to flirt with the webmaster and make it a slam dunk.

I am just learning cheat to win. He's been doing it for decades. I am really behind here.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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see this [8 cutaways] gives me more respect for Amazon, and more reason to listen to her about "how to do it".

If I cut away at night will you respect me in the morning Snow?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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see this [8 cutaways] gives me more respect for Amazon, and more reason to listen to her about "how to do it".

If I cut away at night will you respect me in the morning Snow?

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The other "sounds right" thing about Amazon is that she says she doesn't take rank beginners under her wing.

Anyone who's worth listening to, always has the same criteria.
There's gotta be a cost of entry to getting insight.
If it's no-cost, it's usually not worth much. Because why waste your breath on someone who might not be around much?

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The other "sounds right" thing about Amazon is that she says she doesn't take rank beginners under her wing.

The Rangers took Duane in and trained him. Why?
Rangers are as right as Amazon, being tough dudes and all that.

Georger should have found your candidate by now. Maybe he is tring for a home run by finding all three photos. I can't find the third one even though I think I once knew the source. Poof?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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The other "sounds right" thing about Amazon is that she says she doesn't take rank beginners under her wing.

The Rangers took Duane in and trained him. Why?
Rangers are as right as Amazon, being tough dudes and all that.

Georger should have found your candidate by now. Maybe he is tring for a home run by finding all three photos. I can't find the third one even though I think I once knew the source. Poof?

377

What I didn't mention is that the most frequent top-of-list things that pop up during search have to do with stewardesses, rubber suits, and leather.

I suspect georger got sidetracked when he discovered the world he only dreamed of, actually exists.

[snowmman 3]

377 complained "I can't find the third one even though I think I once knew the source. Poof?"

well it depends on which one is the third. If it's chronological, there's a feint move which leads one to believe it's been Poofed.

How long have you been a junior g-man? No wonder people are getting on planes with bombs...you just can't find good help on a DBC thread these days, ...Jo's right, the country's gone to hell.

Now, remember we had a wager. Do you think "cheat to win" could affect the outcome of the wager?

You made the bet whether you knew it or not, that I couldn't control the outcome....

:)

(actually I can't..but there is a feint. I suspect unintentional but it's there)

[hangdiver 1]

Cooper disappeared on a jump from a plane or did you just crawl out from under a rock?

Sorry g forgot to re: your whole post.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[hangdiver 1]

> I can't find the third one even though I think I once knew the source. Poof?

I found an email address...unless it went poof.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[hangdiver 1]

I'm sure the posting can be manipulated but I don't know enough about that tech.
Every one could get banned for off subject postings and then quade could get it.

On another note: I have one cutaway, intentional. Never had a parachute over my head I didn't land.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

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You think you're going to get first post on a page the first time you try, the time you need it work? 666?

Snow is fooling around with some sort of post and delete strategy to screw me out of my rightful 666 slot. I just know it.

He is also recruiting an Icelandic girl to flirt with the webmaster and make it a slam dunk.

I am just learning cheat to win. He's been doing it for decades. I am really behind here.

377

Thats the way Cults go.

The knoob gets all the fruit.

[snowmman 3]

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> I can't find the third one even though I think I once knew the source. Poof?

I found an email address...unless it went poof.

yeah, email addresses are good, they allow you to find other things, other than email.

[snowmman 3]

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I'm sure the posting can be manipulated but I don't know enough about that tech.
Every one could get banned for off subject postings and then quade could get it.

On another note: I have one cutaway, intentional. Never had a parachute over my head I didn't land.

It's not possible to ban someone.
It's possible to make it take more work to post.

[snowmman 3]

Well, I had a hard time understanding what would be a bad vs good post.

So how could quade identify any post as off-topic?

quade won't, because that means he would be making a statement about the DBC thread..i.e. he'd have to join the cult, to state what he believes the DBC thread is about.

It's like a tar baby. There's no way to manage it from the outside, without getting tar on yourself.

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Hell I only have 8 cutaways since I started in 1972

5 of those were on Capewells almost always due to packing excellence on my part ( 1 of them was an Air Force rigger that I had a LONG chat with)

3 are on 3 ring rigs. My fairly new Samurai had a slider hangup on deployment after a speed dive at the meet at Jumptown MA in 2004.. friggin new canopy landed in the freakin river and found by a fisherman. As we were searching for it.. I saw him cruising down the river with it all wet and balled up in the bow of his little Aluminium boat.

see this gives me more respect for Amazon, and more reason to listen to her about "how to do it". I'm sure it must give her vastly more confidence and mental control by having done a bunch.

Let's hear some more. What's the brain sequence work like..how long before "time to cut" till everything's okay again.

(edit) I've been first post on the last 4 out of 5 pages. 377 beat me once. Posers! You think you're going to get first post on a page the first time you try, the time you need it work? 666?

My first cutawaywas on my 5th sport jump.. I had packed my Papillion myself( my instructor had us packing from the very first jump)

It was a streamer..high speed... I did the whole Belly wart sequence and I chopped it so fast with the capewells that I got my kicker plate from my reserve 28' C-9 back...it was in the main

My second chop was on a static line jump from a huey...it was a military demo water jump from 1250' It came out...was a spinning piece of shit Mae West... and it was not by the book... but no way I was gonna toss the reserve into the direction of spin. I figured it was time for that crap to go away.....kinda pissed off the first shirt and that got to the Squadron commander...but hey.. I swam away with no injuries( I was open at about 300'.. when we got back to base.. like I said.. I had a little chat with the rigger who packed it for me.

Snow..its about dealing with the situation...simple enough. That said.. people who panic or freeze in situations beyond the norm... skydiving may not be a good sport for them.

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amazon said "My first cutaway was on my 5th sport jump"

wow that's scary. That's what I was wondering about..there's not really the controlled/graduated risk taking. You're pretty much right away in the same boat as everyone else, even though you just started.

What about my question about whether newbies sometimes cutaway when they should have done something else?

Looking back, it sounds like you really had to do that cutaway? Can you still picture the whole thing in your head? I would think it gets burned in.

(edit) amazon said "I was open at about 300'"

Oh now I understand..yeah, what's the problem ..you had 300'
:) :) :)

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amazon said "My first cutaway was on my 5th sport jump"

wow that's scary. That's what I was wondering about..there's not really the controlled/graduated risk taking. You're pretty much right away in the same boat as everyone else, even though you just started.

What about my question about whether newbies sometimes cutaway when they should have done something else?

Looking back, it sounds like you really had to do that cutaway? Can you still picture the whole thing in your head? I would think it gets burned in.

Yup that is burned into my memory... seared there forever. Every last action I took. Oh there was no doubt.. that if I did not chop I was going to die.. a streamer under a round stands you up.... and its FAST.


There are actually quite a few students who cut things away they really do not need to.. many times its just over amped nerves.. and not really sure of what is normal at that point with low jump numbers.... BUT.. I will say this to anyone who did that.. it was their decision. If they dont think they can land the stuff that is up over their heads... and went to the reserve instead.. then it was the right decision for them when they land it and walk away.


Mainly I dont want to train students or get instructional ratings because its just too much like work. I go to the DZ to blow off stress and have fun. There are good instructors out there that do it every week and are in practice. I am not in practice for teaching and other people need the money much more than I do. Plus.. if I was teaching.. then I am responsible for others . To me that just takes the fun out of my weekend. I will jump wiht them.. do video... whatever.. that I dont mind if I am not doing something else... and once they are off student status I am more than willing to go do 2 ways or 3 ways... and pay it forward and help them learn to fly their bodies.

[snowmman 3]

caught hangdiver in a friggin lie.
As Jo pointed out, there's no one of the right age, that would have a current email address.
Guy would be too old.

hangdiver, you're a friggin liar.

[snowmman 3]

Here's two things that's funny about our pretense at airplane security

1) We spend all this money on creating a secure environment, and then we serve alcohol to passengers. And if they get drunk, we may have to deploy F-16s

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582632,00.html

2) That a passenger can lock himself in the bathroom. It seems like a no-brainer around security, that you should have cameras in the bathroom, feeding up into the cockpit, and there should be a lock override that opens the door from the outside.

Basically, the only way to have security is for the passengers to have no rights. They have to be treated like baggage with very restricted freedoms. Arguably they should be handcuffed to their seats.

I think someone patented such an idea. (hand restraints built into airplane seats for security)

(edit) interesting nasa report related to this here:
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/publications/directline/dl9_pax.htm

Reports in the media and popular films frequently leave the impression that the main safety threats to commercial air carrier operations involve bombs, terrorist hijackings, and hazardous cargo. However, reports received by Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS) belie some of these notions. Pilot and flight attendant reports to the ASRS indicate that passengers themselves are an unexpected source of many inflight safety problems, ranging from the merely annoying, to those that pose serious interference with crew duties and a potential risk to aircraft structural integrity.

ASRS data is not the only indicator of a serious and growing problem with passenger inflight incidents. A recent issue of a major air carrier's employee publication noted an almost 200% increase between 1994 and 1995 in reports filed with the company by flight attendants describing interference from passengers. The interference included assaulting, threatening, or intimidating crew members performing their inflight duties. During this same period, the number of physical assaults experienced by flight attendants at this carrier increased threefold.

Passenger-related incidents form only a tiny fraction of ASRS database holdings. A recent review of 73 database reports referencing inflight security problems revealed that passengers - drunken, obstreperous, or dangerously uninformed - constituted 23 percent of the reports submitted, equaling the number of incidents involving hazardous materials carried in the cargo hold. Passengers carrying guns, with and without the necessity to be armed, accounted for another 12 percent of these 73 reports. In general, the ASRS passenger-induced safety hazards fell into the following categories:

Alcohol or drug-related violence;

Uncooperative or unstable behavior;

Carriage of hazardous materials and devices on board.

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You think you're going to get first post on a page the first time you try, the time you need it work? 666?

Snow is fooling around with some sort of post and delete strategy to screw me out of my rightful 666 slot. I just know it.
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What are you guys talking about we are only on page 311 and how long did it take to get here? You know you can change the setting on how the pages appear on your computer - it is all in the settings. Different settings will result in different page numbers.

Now - talk about Cooper and myths. Before I told you guys that individuals in this forum misquided and create myths.

Sluggo posted an address and contact number for a Greg Larson who was supposedly the husband of Tina Mucklow. This was to the best of my knowledge not his research material.

I will let you guys figure out how Jo might know this. I will also tell you that they divorced in 1977.

You are right Jo didn't acquire this information on her own - but how did she do it????????

As for the "new" info that got me going in the last couple of days - it fizzled when we found the Real Larson.

There are others out there who have claimed information on this Larson...but they are dead wrong. They look for Larson to locate Tina - but it doesn't work.
They then pass their erroneous information on to others and before you know it - it has become another Cooper myth.

Grey nor Cook had Tina in the right location..one has located her, but if unscrupulous means are used to talk to her - he is in trouble. Someone stated Tina had an"Obligation" to come forward and explain to the public about Nov. 24, 1971. I do NOT agee with this.

She owes no one anything. Her life has been altered by the incident in 1971. She was only 22 yrs old - and that incident forever changed that young woman's life. What could she possibly add after 38 yrs? As much as I need to talk to her and to show her something I have - I would never show up on her door.

If she gave Cooper something or if Cooper took something off of that airplane besides the items he had - would she feel obligated to reveal what it was - I don't know and only she can answer that. I hope she realizes that any item Cooper took or was given to him - could identify Cooper even though she might not recognize his picture after all of these yrs.

Yes, Georger - my sweet baboon, I caught your litte hint - Sven or seven? Do you think I did not notice? How would you know about that? Too bad you do not use PM's and I would not be disclosing our little secret in public. You have my phone number - call me and maybe we will exchange goats.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Wonder if some boaters found Cooper? If he still had a lot of non rotted cash attached they'd likely take it. They'd know they'd be questioned about money if they turned in the body.

"Hell, he's dead anyway. We can get a REALLY nice boat with some of this money. What's the point in taking the body in?"

377

Florida has 600 miles of coastline and is a smugglers paradise. At times, nearly entire towns have been arrested.

So, the chances of fishermen stumbling across a "square grouper" are pretty good. Most everyone I know
has had that experience. Responses have been varied.

The idea of someone finding a floating Cooper with cash is an interesting one.

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caught hangdiver in a friggin lie.
As Jo pointed out, there's no one of the right age, that would have a current email address.
Guy would be too old.

hangdiver, you're a friggin liar.

what an ageist remark!! are you saying all old people are too dumb/senile/technologically backward/whatever to use email?? Cooper would be what, say 85 if he was mid-40s at the time of the hijack? I know 85-year olds who use email! Heck, I know 85-year olds who have Facebook accounts

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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caught hangdiver in a friggin lie.
As Jo pointed out, there's no one of the right age, that would have a current email address.
Guy would be too old.

hangdiver, you're a friggin liar.

what an ageist remark!! are you saying all old people are too dumb/senile/technologically backward/whatever to use email?? Cooper would be what, say 85 if he was mid-40s at the time of the hijack? I know 85-year olds who use email! Heck, I know 85-year olds who have Facebook accounts

oh sorry. So you mean hangdiver wasn't lying? Amazing.
And it wouldn't be Facebook. It would be Myspace.

I know mid '80s folks who use Twitter (rather, something similar)

[snowmman 3]

Jo said "Now - talk about Cooper and myths. Before I told you guys that individuals in this forum misquide and create myths."

Look it's taken 38 years to create all these myths I've been part of creating. I'm not about to let you guys tear down a good thing.

What else are you familiar with that's taken 38 years to build? Trees?