DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

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Okay it's about time we out 377.
Jo said "I do not believe 377 is hiding anything other than the possibility that he might be assisting a writer with his expertise."

Jo,

I really am not writing anything or assisting any authors. If any movie or TV producers want a 727 jet jump dummy I'd likely go for it, but I'd use Snow as a Wind Drift Indicator. Remember those WDIs Amazon?

Snow's slanderous expose of my past was really a breach of confidence. I am not one to lawyer up though. I am in the one step program. My name is 377. I am a jump junkie. I accept my past and am trying to become a better person: one jump at a time.

377

You know how you talked about my decades of experience with cheat to win? Well, your post above shows your decades of experience with lying, and just validates my post. I rest my case.

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Jo said "I do not believe 377 is hiding anything other than the possibility that he might be assisting a writer with his expertise."

Jo,

I really am not writing anything or assisting any authors.

But you must be. Why else do you not take everything she says at face value??

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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In troubled times we need to worship heroes. Duane, according to Jo, was the ultimate hero. Religion is irrational.

Still, I'd balk at deifying Snowmman. Times are not so tough that I would resort to Devil Worship.

Amazon. Did you do terminal openings in unsleeved C9s????
If so why??? Ouch.

I had two VERY hard pulls when I was learning freefall. It was a rental rig with a sleeved C9 stuck into an unextended military container. It was very panic inducing, especially because I had not yet mastered stability. Very scary.

After the second incident I complained and opined that the rig was unsafe for newbies like myself. The rigger told me: "maybe you need to work out more kid."

Dont forget that Coopers ripcord handle access may have been impaired by his jury rigged money container. Add hard pull, night, wild tumbling, fear etc and you have recipe for a fatality.

I do think if he pulled chances are decent that he landed alive. The chance of a no pull needs to be seriously considered though.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Amazon 7]

I dont think ANY sport rigs were manufactured back then..it was ALL military surplus...aka cheapo's.... that were modified for sport use.

Hell in 1971... a DOM of 1957 was just not that old.

[Amazon 7]

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Okay it's about time we out 377.
Jo said "I do not believe 377 is hiding anything other than the possibility that he might be assisting a writer with his expertise."

Jo,

I really am not writing anything or assisting any authors. If any movie or TV producers want a 727 jet jump dummy I'd likely go for it, but I'd use Snow as a Wind Drift Indicator. Remember those WDIs Amazon?

Snow's slanderous expose of my past was really a breach of confidence. I am not one to lawyer up though. I am in the one step program. My name is 377. I am a jump junkie. I accept my past and am trying to become a better person: one jump at a time.

377[/reply
I tossed an indicator a few years ago, 2004 for the Snohomish Skydivers GreenMeet. I was jumping a modded T-10 doing accuracy... I landed 20' from a dead center. First round jump I had done in about...25 years]

[snowmman 3]

377 said "In troubled times we need to worship heroes. Duane, according to Jo, was the ultimate hero."


Since Homer and the Illiad, we've needed the epic story.
It's not just about heroes. It's about the story telling.

The hero has to go into battle, and somehow make it back against all odds to tell the story.

Duane did that. (well, Jo did that for Duane).

Cooper had to have lived. So he could tell the epic story.

from wikipedia
Kleos is the concept of glory earned in heroic battle


For my mother Thetis the goddess of silver feet tells me
I carry two sorts of destiny toward the day of my death. Either,
if I stay here and fight beside the city of the Trojans,
my return home is gone, but my glory shall be everlasting;
but if I return home to the beloved land of my fathers,
the excellence of my glory is gone, but there will be a long life
left for me, and my end in death will not come to me quickly.

[snowmman 3]

I just noticed, that in one of the popup ads here, is an actress, that I used to babysit when I was in highschool.

I've got that also, going for me.

[snowmman 3]

Odysseus is one of the first Greek mythic heroes renowned for his brain as well as his muscle. Indeed he is a man with an inquiring mind, and he is also a man with outstanding prowess and bravery. We also must not forget that he is a top-notch athlete which only adds more to this seemingly insuperable character. It is no wonder why many scholars refer to Odysseus as a powerful mythic hero.

Odysseus often hesitates before acting, because he uses his reason and gift to evaluate things. This patience is one of his most important additional attributes. This has saved him and his men many of times, and it can be easily seen in various instances throughout his travels such as when he disguised himself as a beggar when he finally reached Ithaca, waiting for the right moment to reveal himself.

As great as he was, Odysseus still had some weaknesses that prolonged his voyage back to Ithaca. His most important weakness that he possess is that of his pride. Pride is good to have, but in Odysseus' case he had to much of it. This is clearly evident in the episode on the cyclopes' island. When Odysseus and his men are clearly safe away from the island Odysseus braggs about his exploit. Polythemus hears this and hurls giant boulders in the direction of the ship. A couple came very close to sinking the ship. Still that was not enough for Odysseus. Carried away in his pride he unwisely gave away his identity to Polythemus. With that Polythemus called upon his father, Poseidon, to punish the man who had harmed him. That incident hurt Odysseus more than losing a few men, because Poseidon made his travel home ever so longer and arduous.

Yet another weakness of our hero is his sensualness. Odysseus enjoys women. He stayed with Circe for one year before his men reminded him of home. He also stayed with Calypso for seven years. Although we must take into thought that there were some other reasons why he stayed with her for so long, like that she was an immortal and he didn't want to have her against him.

Nonetheless, Odysseus survived all that happened to him. His courage, wits, and endurance enabled him to come through each and every difficulty and arrive home safely.

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I just noticed, that in one of the popup ads here, is an actress, that I used to babysit when I was in highschool.

I've got that also, going for me.

WHO did you babysit?

I'm not getting the same popup.

I thought Catherine Zeta Jones was your babysitter Snow.

This Duane/Cooper as mythic is really interesting. It may explain the amazingly long lasting public fascination with DBC.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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I just noticed, that in one of the popup ads here, is an actress, that I used to babysit when I was in highschool.

I've got that also, going for me.

WHO did you babysit?

Flo, the Progressive girl. She had two sisters.
It comes up intermittently.

It's not my fault I have a lot of brags.
Like Dizzy Dean said, it's not bragging if its true.

[snowmman 3]

377 said "This Duane/Cooper as mythic is really interesting. It may explain the amazingly long lasting public fascination with DBC."

I would have preferred if Duane had jumped naked. Then we would have been able to talk about Eastern mystics, and yogis sitting in the cold on snow, walking barefoot etc.

I think the loafers and raincoat were a cheat.

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I would have preferred if Duane had jumped naked. Then we would have been able to talk about Eastern mystics, and yogis sitting in the cold on snow, walking barefoot etc.

Jumping naked would have made egress exceedingly difficult for Cooper.

Those naked Dutch girls who jumped at WFFC didn't need to escape from law enforcement. They didn't seem very mystic or yogic though. Far from it actually. They partied real hard at night.

Bet Snowmman doesn't see such sights very often in climbing, especially on ice. Maybe this is how we lure him into skydiving.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[hangdiver 1]

Now my girlfriend is really pissed. She caught me reading the cooper thread again and looked over my shoulder to see snowmman calling me a liar for saying I had an email address for someone over 80.

She's the neighborhood computer geek and has successfully taught an 80+ year old to use the computer and email so she says. She could be lying too for all I know. I do know she built this one I'm pecking on.

note to self: lock bathroom door and ground computer when reading cooper thread in shower so girlfriend won't think I'm an idiot.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[happythoughts 0]

Falcon and the Snowman

Spies I knew it.

[snowmman 3]

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Now my girlfriend is really pissed. She caught me reading the cooper thread again and looked over my shoulder to see snowmman calling me a liar for saying I had an email address for someone over 80.

She's the neighborhood computer geek and has successfully taught an 80+ year old to use the computer and email so she says. She could be lying too for all I know. I do know she built this one I'm pecking on.

note to self: lock bathroom door and ground computer when reading cooper thread in shower so girlfriend won't think I'm an idiot.

look hangdiver. There's no way Orange1 will jump with me at the 2011 40-year anniversary of Coopers' jump unless you give me the thumbs up.

So there's no way Cooper could have email, right? Simple question. (edit) hey that last two word sentence sounds so Jerry-Thomas-esque, doesn't it? I need to throw in a Jo jab, though for authenticity.

(edit) evidence of my assertion: Duane is dead. Braden is dead. Tosaw is dead. Himmelsbach, not dead.

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falcon and snowman writeup says

"Boyce, an expert in the sport of falconry-- thus, the nickname "Falcon"-- gets a job at a civilian defense contractor (TRW, though it is called "RTX" in the movie) working in the so-called "Black Vault", a secure communication facility through which flows information on some of the most classified U.S. operations in the world. Boyce becomes disillusioned with the U.S. government through his new position, especially after reading a misrouted communiqué dealing with the CIA's plan to depose the Prime Minister of Australia"

"As the pair become increasingly involved with espionage, Lee's ambition to create a major espionage business coupled with his excessive drug use began alienating the two men from each other, and their Soviet handler becomes increasingly reluctant to deal through Lee as the middleman because of Lee's periods of irrationality."


What a bunch of B.S.
That could never happen.

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With as many different times of day as you post, I figured
that it was a team effort. Working in shifts.

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With as many different times of day as you post, I figured
that it was a team effort. Working in shifts.

Now that it is definitely an ad hominen.

An ad hominem argument has the basic form:

Person 1 makes claim X
There is something objectionable about Person 1
Therefore claim X is false

The first premise is called a 'factual claim' and is the pivot point of much debate. The contention is referred to as an 'inferential claim' and represents the reasoning process. There are two types of inferential claim, explicit and implicit. The fallacy does not represent a valid form of reasoning because even if you accept both co-premises, that does not guarantee the truthfulness of the contention. This can also be thought of as the argument having an un-stated co-premise.


Although, the ad hominem argument is not a fallacy despite there being fallacious instances of the argument.

(edit) from wikipedia.

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With as many different times of day as you post, I figured
that it was a team effort. Working in shifts.

Now that it is definitely an ad hominen.

An ad hominem argument has the basic form:

Person 1 makes claim X
There is something objectionable about Person 1
Therefore claim X is false

The first premise is called a 'factual claim' and is the pivot point of much debate. The contention is referred to as an 'inferential claim' and represents the reasoning process. There are two types of inferential claim, explicit and implicit. The fallacy does not represent a valid form of reasoning because even if you accept both co-premises, that does not guarantee the truthfulness of the contention. This can also be thought of as the argument having an un-stated co-premise.


Although, the ad hominem argument is not a fallacy despite there being fallacious instances of the argument.

(edit) from wikipedia.

A what? I'm not making an argument. I was making a jest.
Only Jo thinks that the CIA has two people covering
this thread.
(Actually, the Snowman was released from prison in 1998 and went into the movie business with Sean Penn. Cooper... book... movie rights... hmmm...)

Don't expect me to respond if you can't post in English.
I can't speak Latin. In fact, I've never even visited Latin America.

The wisest use of resources would be for all posters
to bolt 60ft of 3/8 in nylon rope to their desktops.
The square corners will drag nicely along the bottom
and stop their boat from drifting in a 4mph current.

Go fishing in the Columbia. You'll never find Duanes
body on the bottom, but a nice trout dinner is possible.

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I think the loafers and raincoat were a cheat.

& definitely not something to get arrested wearing, while hanging near a school.


...or so I've heard!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[mccurley 1]

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...or so I've heard!

Really???
Only heard???

Watch my video Fat Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI

[snowmman 3]

happythoughts said "A what? I'm not making an argument. I was making a jest."


A jest on the DBC thread? Now I know you're lying. A jest would be off-topic, and no off-topic posts are allowed.

Two people questioned the idea of posting too much.

Rather than worrying about posting too much, one should worry about not posting enough. That's why Cooper hasn't been caught. I mean, think about it, how could 100,000 posts be done, and it not be figured out?

Even if there are three governments involved in the conspiracy.. (why does Jo stop at the USA? Is she covering up something or just misinformed?)

[snowmman 3]

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...or so I've heard!

Really???
Only heard???

mccurley wins the award for greatest time between two posts by an individual to the DBC thread. I'm not sure it's an award to brag about, but maybe it is. (postings run by teams are in a separate category).

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...or so I've heard!

Really???
Only heard???

Paint a thousand pictures and nobody calls ya an artist, but forget yer pants ONE TIME....

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[snowmman 3]

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I dont think ANY sport rigs were manufactured back then..it was ALL military surplus...aka cheapo's.... that were modified for sport use.

Hell in 1971... a DOM of 1957 was just not that old.

Yeah I can't imagine it could be 1957 though.

From what I read: the Para-Commander was first demo'ed at the '63 nationals in Issaquah, but not sold until later? I'm not sure if the Pioneer was a Para-Commander though. (edit) although if Cossey was using it as a sport rig in '71, you would think it would have a PC in it???

I'm looking at "Performance Evaluation of Para-Commander Mark 1 Personnel Parachute" by the Air Force Flight Test Center Edwards AFB CA, dated Jun 1966. (USAF Report FTC-TR-66-16)

This is interesting:

"The Pioneer Para-Commander Mark 1 24-ft. diameter parachute was tested. A total of 246 tests was made using a B-66, a C-130, a C-47 and an H-21 aircraft. Launch velocities varied from minimum (near-zero) to 225 KCAS and launch pressure altitudes ranged from 1000 to 35,000 ft."

"It is also recommended that launch altitude should not be less than 1000 ft above ground level with a one-second delay to pack opening, nor should the parachute be deployed above 150 KCAS at 1000 ft pressure altitude."

We had talked about the recommended deployment limits before.

Funny, this report isn't available as pdf (accession number AD0484799). (33 pages)

It makes no sense that Cossey would say his Pioneer was the superior rig. Why did he say that so much in the newspapers? Was Cossey saying "If Cooper delayed until he achieved stable terminal, and then deployed, the Pioneer would have been the superior rig?"