DB Cooper

[377 22]

I've read the rant again and I withdraw my earlier statement. We OG jumpers really were just that cool. Yeah. Damn right we were.

And driving that car out of a plane? I remember watching that scene and thinking how easy it would be for someone to get trapped by something coming loose or centrifugal force.

Yeah, he loved to drive. At least he died at the wheel... as a spinning no pull.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[hangdiver 1]

>Yeah Buddy!

Awesome!! Somebody always came first and before you know it you're the old guy. Guaranteed! Well unless you die young.

Again, that is classic!!

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[hangdiver 1]

>And driving that car out of a plane? I remember watching that scene and thinking how easy it would be for someone to get trapped by something coming loose or centrifugal force.

Yeah I was the old guy there but didn't look my age. They wouldn't let me jump my own gear without an AAD so the only rig I could borrow with one was a prototype rig with a prototype canopy. Unfamiliar gear + stunt= luck

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[hangdiver 1]

I see 377 is top of page, maybe he's got it figured out also.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[snowmman 3]

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I see 377 is top of page, maybe he's got it figured out also.

friggin old men. make it an accuracy contest and I'm screwed.

And you wonder why I'm trying to make it a rate-of-posting contest?
only shot I got...

[hangdiver 1]

Well here she is. Born Jan 12 @ 12:09 eastern 6 lbs

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[skyjack71 0]

I am going to say this only ONE time - the money came on to the 727 in a canvas and leather satchel NOT a bag. The Source is 100% reliable.

In the event anyone is hard of HEARING: I will say this louder:
[RED]THE MONEY WENT ON TO THE 727 IN A SATCHEL - of canvas and leather.[/RED]

THIS IS A FACT!

My Theory:
Cooper had requested a Knapsack - so they substituted a BANK BAG with a handle called a satchel.

A plain money bag was what they put the money in from the vault and then it was put into the satchel before being delivered to Cooper - probably because no one was able to acquire a Knapsack at that time.

To have delivered the money in a simple sack could have caused Cooper to act irrationally - the FBI did not want that.

In 1996 I told Himmesbach about a satchel that Duane had - but, I was ignored...and that satchel was described to me on this day Jan 11, 2010. You people have NO IDEA what is happening. Notice that Georger, nor I, nor Sluggo, nor Safecrack and others who are vested in this investigation are currently posting.

If you want to be useful look-up bank satchels and take a good look at them - Cooper had NO problem attaching this to his body or the harness. Yes, he opened the satchel - to make sure the money was there and he may have placed some of the money in a separate place at that time...just encase he was separated from his package.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

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I am going to say this only ONE time - the money came on to the 727 in a canvas and leather satchel NOT a bag. The Source is 100% reliable.

In the event anyone is hard of HEARING: I will say this louder:
[RED]THE MONEY WENT ON TO THE 727 IN A SATCHEL - of canvas and leather.[/RED]

THIS IS A FACT!

My Theory:
Cooper had requested a Knapsack - so they substituted a BANK BAG with a handle called a satchel.

A plain money bag was what they put the money in from the vault and then it was put into the satchel before being delivered to Cooper - probably because no one was able to acquire a Knapsack at that time.

To have delivered the money in a simple sack could have caused Cooper to act irrationally - the FBI did not want that.

In 1996 I told Himmesbach about a satchel that Duane had - but, I was ignored...and that satchel was described to me on this day Jan 11, 2010. You people have NO IDEA what is happening. Notice that Georger, nor I, nor Sluggo, nor Safecrack and others who are vested in this investigation are currently posting.

If you want to be useful look-up bank satchels and take a good look at them - Cooper had NO problem attaching this to his body or the harness. Yes, he opened the satchel - to make sure the money was there and he may have placed some of the money in a separate place at that time...just encase he was separated from his package.

You are absolutely correct. That is what Ckret said.
Then an Mar 11/08 SafecrackingPLF stated in post #314:

" There's a big difference between accepting facts from the FBI file, and challenging every one of them. Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper". If anyone comes along and says otherwise, there should be significant reason other than what they think SeaFirst did."

In addition the tying off of the bank bag consisted of
passing rope 'through the handles' then tied to his waste. I have that description from several sources.

I dont have a photo of a comparable bag at my
disposal but can provide one later -

[nigel99 476]

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I am going to say this only ONE time - the money came on to the 727 in a canvas and leather satchel NOT a bag. The Source is 100% reliable.

In the event anyone is hard of HEARING: I will say this louder:
[RED]THE MONEY WENT ON TO THE 727 IN A SATCHEL - of canvas and leather.[/RED]

THIS IS A FACT!

My Theory:
Cooper had requested a Knapsack - so they substituted a BANK BAG with a handle called a satchel.

A plain money bag was what they put the money in from the vault and then it was put into the satchel before being delivered to Cooper - probably because no one was able to acquire a Knapsack at that time.

To have delivered the money in a simple sack could have caused Cooper to act irrationally - the FBI did not want that.

In 1996 I told Himmesbach about a satchel that Duane had - but, I was ignored...and that satchel was described to me on this day Jan 11, 2010. You people have NO IDEA what is happening. Notice that Georger, nor I, nor Sluggo, nor Safecrack and others who are vested in this investigation are currently posting.

If you want to be useful look-up bank satchels and take a good look at them - Cooper had NO problem attaching this to his body or the harness. Yes, he opened the satchel - to make sure the money was there and he may have placed some of the money in a separate place at that time...just encase he was separated from his package.

You are absolutely correct. That is what Ckret said.
Then an Mar 11/08 SafecrackingPLF stated in post #314:

" There's a big difference between accepting facts from the FBI file, and challenging every one of them. Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper". If anyone comes along and says otherwise, there should be significant reason other than what they think SeaFirst did."

In addition the tying off of the bank bag consisted of
passing rope 'through the handles' then tied to his waste. I have that description from several sources.

I dont have a photo of a comparable bag at my
disposal but can provide one later -

jeez Georger - are you having comprehension problems - you have a vested interest and Jo says you aren't posting - you should obey your mistress

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[skyjack71 0]

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You are absolutely correct. That is what Ckret said.
Then an Mar 11/08 SafecrackingPLF stated in post #314:

" There's a big difference between accepting facts from the FBI file, and challenging every one of them. Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper". If anyone comes along and says otherwise, there should be significant reason other than what they think SeaFirst did."

In addition the tying off of the bank bag consisted of
passing rope 'through the handles' then tied to his waste. I have that description from several sources.

I dont have a photo of a comparable bag at my
disposal but can provide one later -

Georger - at that time I was SO MAD at Ckret (Carr) I couldn't see straight.

Other posters didn't pay attention either because they kept on talking about how to tie the bag off. I do not understand why Himmelsbach ignored my description of the satchel - early on...because I knew where I had donated it and in a small town I might have been able to retrieved it. There was the other bag I saw in the console (it was a flat bag and very clean) - this would have been the bag the bank put the money in and then into the satchel...to satisfy Cooper's demands the best they could with what they had.

Attaching a satchel like the one Duane had would have been a piece of cake - even this dumb broad could have done that.

I now understand Duane's expression "hide it in Plane site".
Now I understand so much I did not grasp-----before. It all started in 1958. Now I know about the guy Duane introduced me to and where they both had worked and how they knew each other. Now I know how he was so knowledgeable of ALL those things he told me about.

He got involved soon after he got out of SanQuentin and Folsum - not immediately because he went to stay with his mother who was on the kidney machine...that was 1957.

Duane was familiar with planes and he knew how to jump. The FBI has known this for yrs...yet, they ignored it because of the connections - our own government has TOO many secrets...about time they did what other countries have done. They have destroyed most records of their own involvement in the dirty "things", but you can't destroy it all.

What should have been a clue to this? When the ex told me about their running from the FEDs even AFTER he got out of Jefferson in 1968 - that was a real puzzle and I thought it was just the alcohol and her age - that she was mixing things up....now it makes sense. There is a difference between FEDs and FBI.

Remember our searching for Duane's employers that she told about - the one that concerned planes... The guy with the cancer I met in 1980 who had been a chauffer in the past for Howard Hughes, The friend Ed who was a helicopter pilot and a mechanic.

All of the loose end are coming together for me and there are others like myself who want to see all of this come to an end.

Theoretically:
If someone held proof of who Cooper was - proof that would put a specific individual on that plane - WHAT would it be worth?

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You are absolutely correct. That is what Ckret said.
Then an Mar 11/08 SafecrackingPLF stated in post #314:

" There's a big difference between accepting facts from the FBI file, and challenging every one of them. Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper". If anyone comes along and says otherwise, there should be significant reason other than what they think SeaFirst did."

In addition the tying off of the bank bag consisted of
passing rope 'through the handles' then tied to his waste. I have that description from several sources.

I dont have a photo of a comparable bag at my
disposal but can provide one later -

Georger - at that time I was SO MAD at Ckret (Carr) I couldn't see straight.

Im not going to get into all that or take sides, but
here is the entirety of Safe's post, blow:

If you simply measure the volume of money that tells you the size the bag had to be, which leads to type, which leads to exactly what Ckret and Safe were discussing and the reason they were discussing this - - -

SafecrackingPLF

Mar 11, 2008, 7:46 AM

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Re: [377] This is a generic DB Cooper thread [In reply to] Can't Post


Great post. I also saw the I-5 strangler thread. It's most definitely related just because skyjack71 spoke of thread in the knife. Personally, I think it's very low (like less than a percent) probability that Duane would have a knife with parachute line in it, even if he was Cooper, but it's certainly worth looking into.

Guru312,
My apologies if I took your hypothesis out of context.

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He found it unlikely that a bank in the NorthWest wouldn't have a zipper and water repellent to keep the money dry in that rainy invironment for interbank transfer or movement of money outside a bank.

There's a big difference between accepting facts from the FBI file, and challenging every one of them. Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper". If anyone comes along and says otherwise, there should be significant reason other than what they think SeaFirst did.
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14 feet of line gives him enough for a few turns around the bag. One length of cord is enough for him to tie a reasonably secure and tight package. It doesn't have to be water proof! What it has to be is securely tied.

If you have 14 feet of line, and all you do is wrap it around the bag, you have enough for three wraps and a foot of line to knot it. This is based on using the narrow dimensions, although we can debate if he'd secure it on all six sides (more likely).
17+9+17+9=52 inches is the narrow side.
17+12+17+12=58 inches is the wide side.

It's likely he'd tie line around both sides. He would then have slightly less than 5 feet to do something else (tie it around his waist, or wrap it one more time). He cut two lengths of line, not one, so assuming he used one to secure the bag only is certainly a valid thought.

I will come back to your "waterproof" idea in a moment.
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It does not have to float but if he folds the top and cinches the cord around the fold, the bag will float, and keep out water for quite some time. The money bag man thought a bag securely wrapped could last quite a few days. But...it doesn't need to be water tight. It doesn't need to float forever. It needs to stay tied and bang along the river, moved by the current.


The bag will float. The bag will still float even if the top isn't cinched. The question is, how long will it float?

A bag with no zipper (this does not preclude drawstrings however) will not keep water out no matter how you cinch the top. You didn't mention this in the post, but you're assuming that the top of the bag would not be in the water and the material not able to saturate with water. The fold staying out of the water isn't possible because the large surface of the bag (17 inches) would be the side the bag floats on. If the bag had 17 inches vertically, it would be unstable and wobbly (top heavy) and it would tip to the lower center of gravity. With one of the 17 inch sides being the one the bag is floating on, the seal at the top would be pivotal to determining the rate of air escape. No matter how you shake it, however, the seal itself would not be airtight, and thus, very sinkable. Having excess to fold up implies that the location of the handles aren't attached to the very top edge, otherwise the handles would have been folded under to get the seal you describe.

That's certainly a possibility, but we need to know more about the handles or types of handles this bag may have had.

I'm fairly sure though that the bag would float with the fold horizontally. This is because the width is only 9 inches, which having the fold vertically when floating would require a 12 inch height. The Bag would tip to one of the 12x17 sides which would force the fold horizontal. While you can say this fold could stay above the waterline, there would be a point where enough water would soak through and weigh the bag down to force the fold underwater. At that point, the bag would be in serious trouble.

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Then, sometime later, the canvas finally splits open and the packs pour out. One packet finds it way to the river bank for the boy to find...and a few bills make it to eBay.


If we assume your hypothesis, the "some time later" is actually about 7 years later. "One" packet is not consistent with the facts. There were three packs that were found.

One single pack can only float for 10 minutes and 25 seconds. The bag would need to be within this distance and the pack would need to be completely dry, even after seven years in the elements, including the canvas bag itself floating in water. Therefore, your hypothesis actually requires that the entire bag itself make it's way to the sand bar and get snagged on something. Not to fret though, this was Ckret's hypothesis as well.

Yes, a few bills made their way onto eBay, but none of them have actually been sold there to my knowledge (the price was too low).

Bernie, you know I was enthusiastic about you contacting the bag supplier. I'm now 100% confident that you and him never discussed makes and models of the likely bag; you knew that I was researching vintage bags for this test. The most important element of this debate is to figure out what bag was used, or the type of bag that was used.

I don't disagree with the general crux of your hypothesis, but your hypothesis violates three key pieces of information that have been established:
1. The bag had no zipper
2. The time of the jump was between 8:10-8:12
3. The location of the plane at this time was near Merwin Dam / La Center.

Even if everything you say is true, we would still be left with the money floating in LaCamas lake indefinitely. As I stated yesterday, I'm not even sure it's a viable waterway. We need to determine how water escapes from the lake to complete the hypothesis. Otherwise it's beyond speculative.

One last thing, if I understand what you're saying, are you telling me that dirty air will have more force of power than straight wind? Are you suggesting that calculating 3 dimensions of force will make the forces themselves greater?

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I am going to say this only ONE time

'allo, 'allo! Herr Flick won't be very impressed!

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...just in case he was separated from his package.

You mean he landed in a tree after all? Must've hurt!

[georger 244]

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I am going to say this only ONE time - the money came on to the 727 in a canvas and leather satchel NOT a bag. The Source is 100% reliable.

In the event anyone is hard of HEARING: I will say this louder:
[RED]THE MONEY WENT ON TO THE 727 IN A SATCHEL - of canvas and leather.[/RED]

Let me add this -

I was not here when Ckret gave his original descriptions of the bag, but Safe and Guru were.
In addition I gather the old thread containing those posts was locked down by Quade for some reason?

I feel confident Safe and Guru's posts speak reliably for what Ckret originally said.

It is inconceivable that themoney would have been transported to the plane in an open unsealed bag!

... to be carried on.

all of the crew would know what kind of bag it was.

Safe's post #312 occurs after Guru's long post about the bag post #310. People can go back and read that whole section.

We also have Tina's description of Cooper "opening"
the bag and his shock at seeing all the money.
You cant 'open' a bag unless it is 'sealed'.

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Jo wrote amidst all the satchel text:

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Duane was familiar with planes and he knew how to jump

for the zillionth time Jo: show your PROOF. I have seen zero evidence that Duane was a trained parachutist. I think you are posting a wish as a fact.

Duane never received Ranger training. Duane never made a parachute jump. You just wish that he had as it makes him a better Cooper candidate.

You keep mentioning that he knew an aircraft mechanic and helicopter pilot. Big deal. It doesn't make him a jumper or 727 tech expert. Not even the pilots of the NWA 727 knew it could be jumped.

I am being tough with you because you keep posting wishes as facts. Put up your evidence or stop extravagant claiming.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

Jo asked:

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If someone held proof of who Cooper was - proof that would put a specific individual on that plane - WHAT would it be worth?

If that someone were you Jo, it wouldn't be worth a dime. Your proof would be promised repeatedly but never delivered.

Next question for the Antique Jumper Road Show appraisers?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

Jo wrote:

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The guy with the cancer I met in 1980 who had been a chauffer in the past for Howard Hughes...

JFK, MLK, RFK and now HRH. The cast is now complete.

If Howard Hughes was involved then a government conspiracy was virtually certain.

I worked at Hughes Aircraft with guys who had many fascinating stories about HH. None of them involved Duane though.

Maybe Hughes was Cooper. All that time in the lav was just obsessive compulsive washing. He never touched the interphone handset because of germ fear.

He sure didn't need the money, but he was known for extreme eccentricity. He sure knew airplanes. Don't know if he ever made a jump. He reportedly was very formal and polite with women.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[hangdiver 1]

> Notice that Georger, nor I, nor Sluggo, nor Safecrack and others who are vested in this investigation are currently posting.

Then why did you pm me and say my post about smoke jumpers was interesting and ask for more info?

Did Duane ever say anything about "funny stuff" ? If he did what did he mean by "funny stuff" ?

edit to add}Mackenzie will become a real secret agent and solve the Cooper caper in 2040. Her dad is a Ranger.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[hangdiver 1]

>for the zillionth time Jo: show your PROOF. I have seen zero evidence that Duane was a trained parachutist. I think you are posting a wish as a fact.

You know 377, I still would like proof Cooper was even on that plane.

I've got my girlfriend to watch and enjoy MMA fights, which really pisses her off.
Now I'm trying to get her interested in the DBCooper thread so I don't always have to sneak around to read it and post. She's coming around though. I got her to watch the NGC special on Cooper and have asked her opinion as snowmman insisted. She thinks there was a bunch of "funny stuff" going on in the hijacking and also wonders if the flight crew pulled a fast one.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[hangdiver 1]

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Skyport/Sky-Jacker Link?

Seattle Sky Sports LogoWhile relating information about the Skyport’s history, Linn Emrich also entertained Diane Dambacher with many other stories. Her favorite was about Emrich’s role in the D.B. Cooper sky-jacking. On the night before Thanksgiving in 1971, an airline passenger identified as D.B. Cooper threatened to blow up the plane he was on unless his demands for money and parachutes were met. Linn Emrich tells of receiving a call from the Washington State Patrol asking him to deliver the four parachutes Cooper requested, which he did. After his demands were met, Cooper ordered the plane to take off and then jumped into a freezing rainstorm at 10,000 feet. His body was never found and his whereabouts are unknown.

source



How factual is this story? Why do we always hear about Cossey and no one mentioned Emrich?

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[snowmman 3]

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Well here she is. Born Jan 12 @ 12:09 eastern 6 lbs

congrats! (to the mom and dad....I suppose as gramps you've got it easy..play with them when you like..then go home!)

[snowmman 3]

since we're talking money, this is a repost of mine about the money delivery. I like trivia, and it details the handoff from Grinnelll to Lee.
If anyone is working on a big conspiracy book, make sure you work these details in.

This was the court case in 1975 where northwest was trying to collect on their insurance policy for the ransom. I did have a link that had the whole opinion for free, but can't find it right now.

225 N.W.2d 831
303 Minn. 16

NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC., Respondent,
v.
GLOBE INDEMNITY COMPANY, Appellant.
No. 44904.

Supreme Court of Minnesota.
Jan. 24, 1975.

Plaintiff's Seattle ground personnel were notified of the hijacking and, further, received home office authorization to procure the money and parachutes demanded by Cooper. In order to obtain the $200,000 in cash, arrangements were made with Seattle First National Bank, through its airport branch. The money was taken from the vault of the bank's downtown facility, and transported to the airport by bank personnel and the Seattle police. The release of cash funds after normal banking hours resulted in a debit to plaintiff's account which was repaid by a transfer credit on the next banking day.

Mr. William C. Grinnell, an officer of Seattle First National Bank, arrived at the Seattle airport at approximately 5 p.m. with the money. He first proceeded to the airport branch of the bank to pick up the branch manager, who then accompanied Mr. Grinnell to plaintiff's air freight terminal, a 'premises' of plaintiff insured within the meaning of the subject insurance policy. An authorized official of plaintiff gave a receipt for the $200,000 while it was Inside the terminal. Mr. Grinnell transferred possession of the $200,000 to Captain Elwood M. Lee, a Northwest [303 Minn. 19] official designated to transport the money to the hijacked airplane, which had landed at the Seattle airport and was parked at the end of a runway. Captain Lee proceeded to the airplane in an automobile and delivered the money to Stewardess Tina Larson, who carried the money into the airplane and surrendered direct physical custody of it to the hijacker. Upon receipt thereof, Cooper allowed the passengers to leave the airplane. Stewardess Larson also delivered the parachutes and other items to Cooper, who was still in the rear cabin of the aircraft. At that time, he allowed two other stewardesses to leave the airplane. Cooper, Stewardess Larson, and the cockpit crew of three men remained on board.

[snowmman 3]

hangdiver said to georger:
"Then why did you pm me and say my post about smoke jumpers was interesting and ask for more info?"

hangdiver, we discussed that and your weed problems, that got you talking about smokejumpers. Now throw out the stash...I mean airtwardo's a grandpa, show some respect and say "congrats"...lighting a big one is supposed to be a cigar, not a doobie.

[snowmman 3]

These were two important bits of evidence that I thought I didn't get enough mileage out of when I first posted. So reposting.

First is Miss Issaquah flipping the switch at the new sewage treatment plant in 1968.

Second is Elvis receiving a ham at the 1962 Seattle World's Fair.
(edit) actually in reading the caption, Elvis is "giving" the ham, not receiving it. I erred originally.

These are both actual true photos, as you can tell when looking at them.

Why have they been covered up?

377: this is a good post, unlike most of the crap posted here.


(edit): 377 suggested that the addition of Howard Hughes completed the conspiracy cast. I beg to differ. No conspiracy is complete without Elvis. I'm not sure about Miss Issaquah.

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Well here she is. Born Jan 12 @ 12:09 eastern 6 lbs

A really good post will bring me "out of hiatus" to respond.

That's a EXCELLENT post!

Congrats to hangdiver (grandpa again), son, and son's girlfriend* (wife, concubine, life companion, rib, main squeeze, 'ol lady, etc.).

I hope Mom and baby are in good health.

* God... I'm really out-of-touch with today's culture... Sugar and I have been together 16 years and married 10. Back then, we called it "shacking-up." When I announced to my nuclear-plant co-workers (at age 52 & 55) that we had gotten married, I said; "...and she ain't pregnant or nothing!” I expected a big hearty laugh from all. I got nervous, uncomfortable, blank stares. Those guys have no sense of humor.

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Bernie, you know I was enthusiastic about you contacting the bag supplier. I'm now 100% confident that you and him never discussed makes and models of the likely bag; you knew that I was researching vintage bags for this test. The most important element of this debate is to figure out what bag was used, or the type of bag that was used.

As you know, I spoke with the president of the company making the bank bags who said that they didn't have records as far back as the Cooper-era. My discussion with him was focused on the possibility of the bag/money staying contained for an extended time. He thought it possible for the bag to stay intact in water or out in the elements of nature for years. The weave/knit of the bag fabric is meant to endure rough treatment. He thought it would take a very long time for the bag to degrade to the point of allowing the money to 'escape'.

Personally, I don't see why the type of bag--zippered or not, open or not--is important. Wasn't it reported by the FA that Cooper was seen tying the bag closed? Someone, Snow, Safe or Sluggo, computed bag and money volume. My thought is that ample room/material existed to fold some of the bag before wrapping/tying with suspension line.

The money in the money bag is the whole reason for the effort. I think Cooper focused on tying the bag well with the line. He created a secure package capable of protecting the money for years. The bag finally split open...rotting or ripped by debris...and depositing the packets.

Tying the bag with line would be the easiest part of his caper. Certainly *much* easier than tying the bag to the harness in a way to keep it secured to himself during the turbulence of exit and opening shock. If there ever was opening shock.

Think Occam's Razor. You guys are making it way too complex. He secured the bag closed for long-term protection from the elements but was unable to tie it securely to the harness because doing so--supporting the bulkiness and weight of the bundle while cinching and tying knots-- would be very difficult or impossible. I doubt that anyone could tie a package to their harness/body unaided such that the bag would stay attached during exit/opening.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper