DB Cooper

[SKYWHUFFO 1]

Jo-

Here is a simple explainable thought. What was Duane's "profession" around the time of the books incident? Wasn't an Antique dealer? Antique store- old books? They are worth money because it is rare (low print numbers), so he says be careful with it- JO, Duane decided to keep the books. A friend owns an antigue store and his house is full of items like this he bought to put in the store and they somehow became personal possessions. This is more explainable.

[Orange1 0]

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I can't figure out which is more God.

Well, duh, Clapton. But I wasn't aware he was connected to the case. Is "Layla" actually about Tina, not Patti Harrison then?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

377, glad you enjoyed District 9.
Did you get the "one prawn one bullet" line btw?

I got shown a link to this website the other day. It has nothing to do with the Cooper case (I think), but it is a great example of how people will manipulate stuff and see what isn't there to fit in with a preconceived idea ... and then go on to draw all sorts of conclusions from that http://www.godsgeography.com/

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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I can't figure out which is more God.

Well, duh, Clapton. But I wasn't aware he was connected to the case. Is "Layla" actually about Tina, not Patti Harrison then?

happythoughts had provided evidence here:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3762577;search_string=clapton;guest=65622763#3762577

Duane was DBC. He also recorded the guitar tracks
for Layla with Eric Clapton. [/url]

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Orange,

I did get that line, and many others. I thought the development of the main character from a bumbling bureaucrat into an epic mutant hero was done well.

If I were a Nigerian I'd be pretty pissed off though. I was surprised their District Nine misdeeds did not include trying to swindle the prawns with advance fee 419 scams.

Take a look at the Mt St Helens "face in volcanic plume" photos on that link you sent. I see Duane. Do you?

How in the world did you find that website? What were you looking for?

The Internet is an amazing equalizer. Even the obessed and psychotic can get front stage on an international forum.

When aliens surf the net what will they think?

I may watch District Nine again. I have watched Blade Runner about 5 times over the years. Always find something new.

How is Baby O doing?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I can't figure out which is more God.

Well, duh, Clapton. But I wasn't aware he was connected to the case. Is "Layla" actually about Tina, not Patti Harrison then?

happythoughts had provided evidence here:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3762577;search_string=clapton;guest=65622763#3762577

Duane was DBC. He also recorded the guitar tracks
for Layla with Eric Clapton. [/url]

Clapton wrote about Duane/Cooper's sadness, (verified by Tina according to Jo) the rain and falling through the mist of Nov 24 1971. It also recounts his bliss at daybreak looking at all the money that surrounded him:


"The rain is falling through the mist of sorrow that surrounded me.
The sun could never thaw away the the bliss that lays around me."

From the song: LET IT RAIN
by Bonnie Bramlett and Eric Clapton.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

If we go back at them (the aliens) Like Duane The Prophet told us too...then we send the entire web out to space (not just 1950s tv program signals)

377 said "When aliens surf the net what will they think? "

looking here: http://www.worldwidewebsize.com/
an estimated size of the indexed web is 24.07 billion pages today.

(google estimates 18-19 billion pages)

I don't know what the average size of a page might be, with all it's content.

But it seems possible with a couple of hard drives, that you could send it easily in a satellite.

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Orange,

I did get that line, and many others. I thought the development of the main character from a bumbling bureaucrat into an epic mutant hero was done well.

If I were a Nigerian I'd be pretty pissed off though. I was surprised their District Nine misdeeds did not include trying to swindle the prawns with advance fee 419 scams.

Take a look at the Mt St Helens "face in volcanic plume" photos on that link you sent. I see Duane. Do you?

How in the world did you find that website? What were you looking for?

The Internet is an amazing equalizer. Even the obessed and psychotic can get front stage on an international forum.

When aliens surf the net what will they think?

I may watch District Nine again. I have watched Blade Runner about 5 times over the years. Always find something new.

How is Baby O doing?

377

The Nigerians were pretty pissed off! They have a bad reputation locally in terms of crime so I guess the movie kind of took that stereotype and ran with it. Kind of odd if you consider the message of the movie, but maybe it was another layer of meaning ... or maybe not.
Nigeria upset:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8264180.stm
look for the para talking about "Little Lagos" in here:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2009/08/qa-district-9-director-neill-blomkamp.html


Baby O is doing exceptionally well
As for that website; a friend posted the link in disbelief! I've only looked at a couple. The one on the islands above Canada is a beaut.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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If we go back at them (the aliens) Like Duane The Prophet told us too...then we send the entire web out to space (not just 1950s tv program signals)

377 said "When aliens surf the net what will they think? "

looking here: http://www.worldwidewebsize.com/
an estimated size of the indexed web is 24.07 billion pages today.

(google estimates 18-19 billion pages)

I don't know what the average size of a page might be, with all it's content.

But it seems possible with a couple of hard drives, that you could send it easily in a satellite.

Great idea Snow. Beats the hell out of that symbolic plaque and record we launched years ago. Send out lots of em, with beaconing transmitters showing previews of web pages and info on how to get more.

Hey, was there or wasnt there a debris field of currency fragments at Tena Bar? I cant tell from reviewing posts.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Okay Snowmman you are such a smart you know what - now prove how smart you really are. I am getting too old to keep up with all of this...so you use those abilities of yours and find out what the name Van Buren (may be spelled as one word ( VanBuren). This name has fired back at me. I know Duane had a relative with VanBuren as the middle name, but somewhere in my searching - VanBuren came up in relations to jumping - war or smoke - I don't remember and my mind is so full of the things I have learned today - that I have to take some time for ME.

Please do what you can do on the name VanBuren in relation to jumping from 1940 to 1979 - in the WA and OR area. THIS is very important. I have linked with one of the books - NOT what I was looking for but a link...I was told a story I had heard before, but from Duane. It was as though I had stepped back in time.

Those books where NOT from the shop or accumulated thru the shop...but the date I was told (there is NO publications date) would put one of the books after 1971 - if she is right)...but it is the accessibility of the book that has my attention right now.

Regardless this is keeping me busy - but I do need some help on the Van Buren name - I couldn't find it - but I remembered it came up in either the smokejumber or McNeil searching and it is related to the The Dalles area. I know it is a common name - but help me please.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

I know a Jim Van Buren.
He looks (or at least used to) somewhat like a gorilla and was involved with a gorilla enclosure issue at one point in time. He was married but got divorced.
He's a southern boy.

(edit) The Dalles: don't they windsurf a lot there?

(edit) Jo said "It was as though I had stepped back in time"...yes that happens. Have a Coors, it helps. Enjoy the benefit of the foresight and passion they had for aluminum cans in 1957.

[snowmman 3]

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Great idea Snow. Beats the hell out of that symbolic plaque and record we launched years ago. Send out lots of em, with beaconing transmitters showing previews of web pages and info on how to get more.

377

After 100 years, when the aliens finally send back a response, it will be a single gold tablet, enscribed with only 3 words:

"Duane was Cooper"

[snowmman 3]

Skyjack: The Hunt for D. B. Cooper (Hardcover)
by Geoffrey Gray (Author)

must be done. They call out 352 pages and say it will be published on November 16, 2010

here
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skyjack-Hunt-D-B-Cooper/dp/0307451291

looks like there will be an audio cd of the book available also.

I wonder what's in it, and why it's being released 11/16/2010.
That's the week before the anniversay of the hijack (39th)

[snowmman 3]

Jo said "Those books where NOT from the shop or accumulated thru the shop...but the date I was told (there is NO publications date) would put one of the books after 1971 - if she is right)...but it is the accessibility of the book that has my attention right now. "

Yes, 377 tried to throw me for a loop, pointing out Coors Light wasn't produced until 1978, but you can see how that was only a minor bump in the road, to the full disclosure of the Coors can Flight 305 issue, that I made.

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I have always looked at airliners as large aluminum beer cans. I mean both are cylindrical, both are pressurized and both contain beer. Both have, on occasion, caused problems for jumpers.

Check out this jumbo aluminum beer can:

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2007/02/07/kingfisher500x375.jpg

Can we view the rear stairs in the NWA Flt 305 727 as a jumper operated pull tab?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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I have always looked at airliners as large aluminum beer cans. I mean both are cylindrical, both are pressurized and both contain beer. Both have, on occasion, caused problems for jumpers.

Check out this jumbo aluminum beer can:

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2007/02/07/kingfisher500x375.jpg

Can we view the rear stairs in the NWA Flt 305 727 as a jumper operated pull tab?

377

Is that why your sig used to say something about "pulling silver" when the sh*t hits the fan?

i.e. pop the aft stairs?

hmm... maybe we need to investigate any books you've collected over the last 30 years, and why, when and from who.
And who the authors were. And why they published. And how many copies of those books were printed.

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My books include a collection of airliner flight manuals including a very thick one on the 727, published prior to 1971. I also have a collection of parachute and skydiving books, including military riggers manuals which include C9, NB 6 and NB 8 details.

Hey, wasn't "Tina" once used as code for crystal meth?

"Friend of Tina" used to mean meth head in some circles.

Did Duane use meth? Dexidrine? Whites?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

From the Coast to Coast AM crowd:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/201020-Flight-77-Cockpit-Door-Never-Opened-During-9-11-Hijack

Another government coverup of what really happened on an airliner.

Ya just can't trust the FBI on anything connected with an airliner. Jo is right.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 244]

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Jo-

Here is a simple explainable thought. What was Duane's "profession" around the time of the books incident? Wasn't an Antique dealer? Antique store- old books? They are worth money because it is rare (low print numbers), so he says be careful with it- JO, Duane decided to keep the books. A friend owns an antigue store and his house is full of items like this he bought to put in the store and they somehow became personal possessions. This is more explainable.

NEW? Been covered before ad infinitum - read the thread?

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From the Coast to Coast AM crowd:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/201020-Flight-77-Cockpit-Door-Never-Opened-During-9-11-Hijack

Another government coverup of what really happened on an airliner.

Ya just can't trust the FBI on anything connected with an airliner. Jo is right.

377

AND YOU HERD IT ON - GHOST TA GHOST.

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeiii.

Who's the bigger grandstander?
You or Tom Kaye ?

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Tom Kaye.

I don't pretend to know science.

I am just an engineer.

I know my place.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jo would like that Pentagon 9/11 airliner crash story.

The FBI made an entire airliner go POOF.

Really. I read it on the Internet.

David Copperfield must have been involved.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

georger asked "Who's the bigger grandstander?
You or Tom Kaye ? "

We've been thru this.
There are some with fatter bars.
Some with rustier bars.
Some with longer bars.

But my bar is best, and I am the bigger grandstander.
Because I say so.

(edit) Any scientist can be bought. Science, like bravery, is cheap.

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GHOST TA GHOST.

You mean those things on the show arent true Georger?

I heard them play recordings of dead people talking. You need to listen to what they say: things like "beware", "go away", "danger". It's really heavy stuff.

Dead pepole are not very friendly but why should they be?

The paranormal scientists just activate a tape recorder near areas where people have died or suffered violence or danger. Voices just show up on the tapes. When they do it in a graveyard it sometimes sounds like a convention hall.

We need to try it near Coopers landing area. I bet we hear "prints on the aft stairs" or perhaps "another Bourbon please Miss"

Don't be so closed minded G. Open up and a new world awaits you.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

Google News archive is getting more newspapers as time goes by
From the Eugen Register-Guard Feb 13, 1980 which was fairly local, it was a big story when the money was found

They name the agent in chage of the beach search.

"Special Agent Dorwyn Schreuder, in charge of the beach search, said some fragments were found as deep as three feet below the surface"

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=6JYzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1OEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6753,3479620&dq=db+cooper+found&hl=en

The dredging from August 1974 (interesting the date was named early) was highlighted very quickly also ..see here:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cosuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=qocFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1330,4257079&dq=db+cooper+found&hl=en

They quote a local "I betcha that dredging brought money up and most of it's been destroyed by the dredging"

I went thru the court case about the sand that was deposited on the opposite side of the river in 1974.

It's interesting to think if some stuff could have been deposited on the other side of the river by the dredge (where people don't go).

In terms of what else was dug up (we've discussed this before

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bE80AAAAIBAJ&sjid=zWcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3075,5986874&dq=db+cooper+found&hl=en
"One agent at the site said he dug up a formless fist-size clump of money he described as "a wadded up bunch of $20 bills"

In fact, this article is the best for calling out that FBI agents found more. On Feb 14,1980 it says:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ga4yAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fe4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=6963,3065970&dq=db+cooper+found&hl=en


FBI agents found wadded up $20 bills on Wednesday in muck dredged from the Columbia River six years ago and said the money was part of the $200,000 ransom collected in 1971 by D.B Cooper.."

"The first money from Cooper's haul was found Sunday on a sandy beach ..by children on a family outing..."

"FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach said more money was dug up by agents on Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning"

I think we've been hoodwinked about the money find for a long time. Ckret never acknowledged all this extra crap money that was found.

I'm more and more confident about the money being thrown up by the dredge.

I think Palmer was right about clay layers from dredging. I think he was wrong in saying any money would have to show up in some single monolithic layer he could identify, and that sand above that layer, was not from dredging.

It sure seems like at the time of the money find, the FBI agents didn't have the flight path map.