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georger said "Jo is upset. She sees the contradiction between her account and the facts recently revealed ... and there will be more coming."
We've moved from random books, to Duane the young pipeline worker, hanging with rangers and jumpers, banging girls and singing songs and getting drinks for free.
You get a shiver in the dark and wet
It's been raining at the airport but meantime
North of the river you stop and you hold everything
Rataczak is flying 305 at double four time
You feel all right when you hear that intercom ring
You step outside but you don't see too many faces
Going out in the rain to see Cooper come down
Too much competition, too many other places
But not too many jumpers can make that exit sound
Way on down south, way on down south, Portland town
You check out Himmelsbach he knows all the shit
Mind he's strictly old school he doesn't make it cry or sing
An old fork tail is all he can afford
When he gets up to play his thing
And Florence doesn't mind if she doesn't make the scene
She's got a stewardess job she's doing alright
She can play honky tonk just like anything
Saving it up for Wednesday night
With the hijackers of the thing
And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around at the DZ
Drunk and dressed in their best white baggies and their french boot soles
They don't give a damn about any jet jumping band
It ain't what they call rock and roll
And the FBI played Creole
And then the man he steps right up to the intercom
And says at last just as the time bell rings
'Thank you, good night, now it's time to go home'
and he makes it fast with one more thing
'Duane was Cooper'
We've moved from random books, to Duane the young pipeline worker, hanging with rangers and jumpers, banging girls and singing songs and getting drinks for free.
You get a shiver in the dark and wet
It's been raining at the airport but meantime
North of the river you stop and you hold everything
Rataczak is flying 305 at double four time
You feel all right when you hear that intercom ring
You step outside but you don't see too many faces
Going out in the rain to see Cooper come down
Too much competition, too many other places
But not too many jumpers can make that exit sound
Way on down south, way on down south, Portland town
You check out Himmelsbach he knows all the shit
Mind he's strictly old school he doesn't make it cry or sing
An old fork tail is all he can afford
When he gets up to play his thing
And Florence doesn't mind if she doesn't make the scene
She's got a stewardess job she's doing alright
She can play honky tonk just like anything
Saving it up for Wednesday night
With the hijackers of the thing
And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around at the DZ
Drunk and dressed in their best white baggies and their french boot soles
They don't give a damn about any jet jumping band
It ain't what they call rock and roll
And the FBI played Creole
And then the man he steps right up to the intercom
And says at last just as the time bell rings
'Thank you, good night, now it's time to go home'
and he makes it fast with one more thing
'Duane was Cooper'
QuoteI didnt mind deleting the post - wasnt much in it that cant be repeated at a moment's notice when
needed ...
Jo's account of Duane throwing a bag of money
into the Columbia during their trip now conflicts directly with the money find. Jo is upset. She
sees the contradiction between her account and the facts recently revealed ... and there will be more coming.
Jo is just pissed her deceptions didnt stand the test of time and 'scrutiny'.
Jo has been welcomed into the real world.
provide your credentials stating you are qualified to refute the Palmer report - or file the necessary papers to make that Report PUBLIC. You supposedly have the power to do so.
As long as EVERYONE agrees with YOU - you are fine - WHY would you get upset when a simple unqualified woman disagrees with your statement? If I were you and IF I knew I was qualified to make such an analysis - what some simple old woman said wouldn't mean anything.
By the way - the mention of money at three feet. You had best talk to Himmelsbach yourself. He was not happy with some of the things the writer used as they were inaccurate.
Anyone who has someone writing a book for them can expect these kind of things and Himmelsbach stated several times about some the facts not being accurate - this was in 1996 when I first read the book after he sent it to me.
Many people over the yrs have been quoted and the press taking what they said out of context - and not in a sequence which would make one understand the statement they may or may not have made. Writers do this ALL of the time.
The story I told about our trip and how the money may have gotten into the river IS the ONLY thing so far that could put the money find on Tena's bar and the Palmer report indicates the money was protected from the elements for a period of time. This has been reported in various articles since the 1980 find.
If you will notice I had not been actively posting - and then ALL I have to do is open my mouth and state anything that conflicts and who "looses it"? None other than Georger - and those of you have the ability to think this out for themselves - have to ask yourself WHY? Just because I have different opinion and ask for verification of credentials, WHY is that reason for Georger to get his shorts in a Bunch?
Continue on and remember I made no contribution to the "teckie" stuff because I am NOT qualified. I stated only what I have stated for 14 yrs and ask about the qualifications of an individual who "seems" to have the knowledge, yet he admittedly does NOT live in WA and other times he seems to indicated he does.
Even Kaye stepped away from making futher reports about he money. Was this because he realized he did not have all of the infomation or was the Palmer Report made available to him after the fact - causing him to rethink his findings on the money? Tom Kaye is an expert about OLD things - things much older than the money and he did NOT know the history of that river...the way Palmer did. Or did Kaye find something that supported the Palmer report - and maybe he was orderd not to reveal it. Maybe he is working with one of the book writers for it to be revealed with the Cooper Story?
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snowmman 3
This is a slightly interesting article from 2/14/80 after the money find...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=f5QSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w_YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1886,5625&dq=cooper+money+hijack&hl=en
Jack Pringle, who was in charge of the Seattle FBI office, makes some odd comments .."It's all from one bundle" and that Cooper had been given "several bundles of money"...but I don't think that really means anything.
He repeats the statement about additional fragments found.
Pringle played down the fragments, because it sounds like he wanted to see more bundles.
That's interesting, because he's in the Seattle FBI office.
So that means, the Portland office must have called the Seattle office and told them about fragments.
Jo has tried to say there were misquotes by newspaper people. (Jo apparently knows because of her nefarious relationship with Himmelsbach. Jerry Thomas has a similar nefarious relationship. Maybe Himmelsbach goes both ways?)
I'm not sure how a Seattle FBI guy gets quoted about fragments in Portland, unless Portland FBI talked to Seattle FBI.
And this is the head guy in Seattle. Not some flunky.
He also talks about the FBI regrouping to Seattle to decide what to do next. Also mentions that the agents "combed" several thousand yards of the beach. I don't know what that means, whether it's volumes of sand (cubic yards) or they walked a couple thousand yards looking for stuff (probably can't walk that far, so maybe an estimate of what they dug?)
(edit) it's also possible that the Seattle office decided all the fragments were from the 3 bundles? I'm not sure how they could have decided that. Maybe that was part of the bad information starting?
(edit) The idea that Portland FBI agents didn't get all their info to Seattle, might make sense why some details of the dig were lost?
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=f5QSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w_YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1886,5625&dq=cooper+money+hijack&hl=en
Jack Pringle, who was in charge of the Seattle FBI office, makes some odd comments .."It's all from one bundle" and that Cooper had been given "several bundles of money"...but I don't think that really means anything.
He repeats the statement about additional fragments found.
Pringle played down the fragments, because it sounds like he wanted to see more bundles.
That's interesting, because he's in the Seattle FBI office.
So that means, the Portland office must have called the Seattle office and told them about fragments.
Jo has tried to say there were misquotes by newspaper people. (Jo apparently knows because of her nefarious relationship with Himmelsbach. Jerry Thomas has a similar nefarious relationship. Maybe Himmelsbach goes both ways?)
I'm not sure how a Seattle FBI guy gets quoted about fragments in Portland, unless Portland FBI talked to Seattle FBI.
And this is the head guy in Seattle. Not some flunky.
He also talks about the FBI regrouping to Seattle to decide what to do next. Also mentions that the agents "combed" several thousand yards of the beach. I don't know what that means, whether it's volumes of sand (cubic yards) or they walked a couple thousand yards looking for stuff (probably can't walk that far, so maybe an estimate of what they dug?)
(edit) it's also possible that the Seattle office decided all the fragments were from the 3 bundles? I'm not sure how they could have decided that. Maybe that was part of the bad information starting?
(edit) The idea that Portland FBI agents didn't get all their info to Seattle, might make sense why some details of the dig were lost?
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snowmman 3
I just found this choice tidbit
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/875464.html
""We are looking at everything," said Carol Abraczinskas, a scientific illustrator who teaches at the University of Chicago Midway. She didn't know much about Cooper but became fascinated after hearing Kaye talk about the case during a break at a convention."
Maybe Tom is more of a player than we realized?
There's also a weird statement in there, that a Frisbee was in play when the money was found:
"an Arkansas man who discovered $5,800 of the loot in $20 bills while throwing a Frisbee on the banks of the Columbia River when he was 8 years old."
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/875464.html
""We are looking at everything," said Carol Abraczinskas, a scientific illustrator who teaches at the University of Chicago Midway. She didn't know much about Cooper but became fascinated after hearing Kaye talk about the case during a break at a convention."
Maybe Tom is more of a player than we realized?
There's also a weird statement in there, that a Frisbee was in play when the money was found:
"an Arkansas man who discovered $5,800 of the loot in $20 bills while throwing a Frisbee on the banks of the Columbia River when he was 8 years old."
georger 244
By the way - the mention of money at three feet. You had best talk to Himmelsbach yourself. He was not happy with some of the things the writer used as they were inaccurate.
Anyone who has someone writing a book for them can expect these kind of things and Himmelsbach stated several times about some the facts not being accurate - this was in 1996 when I first read the book after he sent it to me.
Anyone who has someone writing a book for them can expect these kind of things and Himmelsbach stated several times about some the facts not being accurate - this was in 1996 when I first read the book after he sent it to me.
For the simple woman:
"Special Agent Dorwyn Schreuder, in charge of the beach search, said some fragments were found
as deep as three feet below the surface."
ERG 2-13-80.
Codeword: NORJAK NA-330-5756836325B - NB
snowmman 3
Quote
By the way - the mention of money at three feet. You had best talk to Himmelsbach yourself. He was not happy with some of the things the writer used as they were inaccurate.
Anyone who has someone writing a book for them can expect these kind of things and Himmelsbach stated several times about some the facts not being accurate - this was in 1996 when I first read the book after he sent it to me.
For the simple woman:
"Special Agent Dorwyn Schreuder, in charge of the beach search, said some fragments were found
as deep as three feet below the surface."
ERG 2-13-80.
Codeword: NORJAK NA-330-5756836325B - NB
Georger: you didn't submit an expense report for the last month.
please expedite. Also: still need projected expenses for this year's budget, including the "special project" with the writer.
also, I wasn't kidding: the correct spelling is Dorwin Schreuder. That newswriter got it wrong. You can see from all the relevant hits on Dorwin in the '80s FBI Portland office, that Dorwin is correct.
here
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Dorwin+Schreuder+fbi
(edit) I'm actually wondering about Dorwin's role, since he was cited as "spokesman" so much in the '80s. But he was a FBI negotiator on the Tripp thing. So maybe they mix field work and spokesman work or he transitioned into that?
(edit) It's interesting how much Jo depends on her Himmelsbach connection. Just like Jerry Thomas. It's like Himmelsbach cultivated these kind of people. (Ckret doing the same thing with Tom Kaye?)
Yes good point.
It's amazing to me, how this information (which we still don't have a complete view of, yet), changes everything about how people perceive the possibilities.
I mean, on the one hand, the FBI acts like people are nuts with theories about "planting the money"...but all people heard are these "3 bundles, with rubber bands, tightly stacked together" stories...I mean it feeds that kind of thinking naturally.
Note that some money had no rubber bands!
I'm thinking that the fragments couldn't have been from the 3 bundles. We've discussed that.
So I think the find is "3 bundles stuck together with aged rubber bands...plus other pieces not related to the 3 bundles, with no rubber bands, dispersed how far? fragments (of what range of sizes?) and maybe a balled up wad".
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