DB Cooper

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No doubt Sagan took this as precident for arguing
Voyage should include a recorded disk! Can Cooper
call home? Did he find the Voyager disk? Duane did!

Wasn't there some recent post about a disc (easily mistaken for a Frisbee) at Tena Bar? You might be onto something Georger.

What happened to Jerry? He already knew about bill fragments in the sand so that news didn't have any big effect on his quest.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The changes are refinements not wholesale changes in physical structure. To my eyes Cooper's profile falls into a rather specific 'type' but I just can't nail the type! To me his facial structure suggests a type and I'm willing to bet somebody in his family had pretty dominant genes ... he looks like his mother?
I have always had the feel that if a physical anthropologist got ahold of this sketch they might be able to say something important - ??? - like, 'he is Novaho' ... or something as specific as that. It would have to be someone very familiar with recognising and catagorising ethnic, racial, and cultural types ...

I am going to post a picture NONE of you HAVE SEEN. He is much older in this picture and his hair line had receded and he was much heavier. You want an antropologist to get hold of this - go for it. Use the Rose Composites with the numbers as those are official - some old Rose composites were found that do not have the numbers and therefore not ones accepted by any of the crew - they just exist in history...not official - as preliminaries regected by the witnesses. Doug Pasternac interviewed indept Rose for about 2 hours. There was an expression mentioned that he was never able to project in a sketch that was acceptable with the crew.

I do not have a good Rose Composite of this one - the only good one I have that is clear was the one found in an archive that does not have a numbers and the problem with it was the mouth was not right. (Per Rose).

Note the old grouch photos were taken yrs after 1971. It was during one of the yrs he didn't have a mustach - maybe late 1982. I had pulled this a along time ago and would have to find its place in the album to give an accurate date.

I made one of them B&W to help with the perception. I do not know how to make a panoramic.

The Sluggo Composite which is an official Composite was to my knowledge never released. The the BW uupclose Grouch - needs to be viewed together side by side with the Sluggo Composite. The Unoffical Rose - is the one in which he said - no one agreed on hair or mouth - he made the mouth a pursing and that was not what they describe. It was an expression, but not a pursing of the lips nor did they consider it a snarl as is exaggerated in Weber's pic - I caught him off guard and he didn't like for someone to take unposed pics of him - maybe this explains why.

I would like to point out his NOSE in this picture - as in others I have DOES not appear large, but very much in accordance to the composites. Also note the ears look different. It is all in the camera angle and the position and view angle.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

So, you think Duane Weber might have been Cooper?

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So, you think Duane Weber might have been Cooper?

Looking at those pictures I would suggest that anyone who things Duane Weber was Cooper is deluding themselves.

BUT who am I to rain on the parade here in the thread that never dies.

Keep at it everyone... if you can just find that one person that sort of remembers talking to someone (don't remember who) that thought they had heard a story long time ago about someone that had a dream about being Cooper... everything will come together

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

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Looking at those pictures I would suggest that anyone who things Duane Weber was Cooper is deluding themselves.

That sentiment has been echoed a few times

Hey, there's a theory that he might have been Canadian. Can you think of any likely suspects?!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

Did you guys see this other thread on him - in trouble yet again
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3781613;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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So, you think Duane Weber might have been Cooper?

Looking at those pictures I would suggest that anyone who things Duane Weber was Cooper is deluding themselves.

BUT who am I to rain on the parade here in the thread that never dies.

Keep at it everyone... if you can just find that one person that sort of remembers talking to someone (don't remember who) that thought they had heard a story long time ago about someone that had a dream about being Cooper... everything will come together

Hi Ian!!

This thread is all about 1000 in-jokes. Duane (edit) (well, actually, maybe Jo Weber?) is one of them.

Orange1 has pronounced that I have a heart of gold, so I have to be on best behavior, but the right answer to your post would be "So you don't think Duane was Cooper?"

(edit) okay, any newcomer, we have to squeeze something of value from....I'm guessing you're a Brit, so what's a definitive definition of "taking the piss out of someone" ??? (something a yank could understand)

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Did you guys see this other thread on him - in trouble yet again
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3781613;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

I guess you just can't keep a bad man down.

I still havent ruled him out as Cooper.

His telephone alibi isnt convincing to me.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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I still havent ruled him out as Cooper.

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why? what rules him in? what makes him a good Cooper? as opposed to any random fool?

[IanHarrop 42]

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okay, any newcomer, we have to squeeze something of value from....I'm guessing you're a Brit, so what's a definitive definition of "taking the piss out of someone" ??? (something a yank could understand)

Newcomer... not entirely, just don't post here often...
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=forum_21&search_string=IanHarrop+cooper&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&sb=post_time&mh=25

No I am not a Brit...
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=IanHarrop;

"Something a yank could understand"... thats an easy one.
Americans are just as smart as everyone else, no matter what the Brits or the French think

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

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I still havent ruled him out as Cooper.

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why? what rules him in? what makes him a good Cooper? as opposed to any random fool?

Arsonists often go to the scene of the fire. Mayfield allegedly calls the FBI during the hijack and says it aint me, but curiously remains hard to reach and never shows up in person during the episode. Felon, in money trouble, had the skills, looks enough like the sketch. He is a better suspect than a random fool.

His recent bust is funny. I mean if you don't have a pilot's license the last thing you want to do is something that will bring FAA scrutiny, like an uncleared takeoff from a a controlled airport, but he does one anyway.

Maybe Himmelsbach can get him out of this jam.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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Maybe Himmelsbach can get him out of this jam.

Like he got him out of the Cooper jam?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Farflung 0]

Teddy Mayfield -

Chamber of Commerce person of the year!? This AFTER he killed TWO of his customers (I wrote this like killing one would have been OK).

Who got second place and runner up?

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Maybe Cooper asked for four chutes cause they might be Mayfield pack jobs.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I guess you didn't get the word, back in the day skydiving was dangerous and sex was safe. I lived in Wilomina in the early 80's couple of miles from Ted's dz. For some reason I had no intrest in skydiving at the time.

blues

jerry

[snowmman 3]

two new posters in one day plus farflung's back.
Man, I know we're going to get this thing solved! :)

Now where did hangdiver go?

[Orange1 0]

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Maybe Cooper asked for four chutes cause they might be Mayfield pack jobs.

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evil but funny. why doesn't dz.com have that smiley with the devil horns?!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Did you guys see this other thread on him - in trouble yet again
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3781613;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

I can remember going down to his place back when I first moved to Oregon... was thinking about jumping there.. BUT... the vibe was kinda wierd and I never did.

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Just type [ e v i l ] (without the spaces).

Like this

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I can remember going down to his place back when I first moved to Oregon... was thinking about jumping there.. BUT... the vibe was kinda wierd and I never did.

First we have JERRY's DEATH WOODS and now MAYFIELD's DEATH DZ.

Follow your "vibes" sense Amazon, it's obviously tuned to the right frequency.

Pretty heavy to get homicide convictions over parachuting accidents. Facts must have been REALLY REALLY bad.

I assume none of the fatalities were reserve malfunctions... A bad main pack job shouldnt turn into a fatality with a student who had decent training, even with a first jump student.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

Is Sluggo's avator a falcon?

If people haven't seen this Nat Geo vid that combines analyzing the dive speed of a peregrine falcon with skydiving...I thought it was way cool. link below.

Has anyone ever been hit by a bird in some way, while skydiving?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3mTPEuFcWk

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I can remember going down to his place back when I first moved to Oregon... was thinking about jumping there.. BUT... the vibe was kinda wierd and I never did.

First we have JERRY's DEATH WOODS and now MAYFIELD's DEATH DZ.
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Is mayfield going to do my heli insert? Hmm. Maybe I should have included the proviso in the contract that the pilot had to be licensed for the craft being flown. Is that being too wussy?

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Maybe I should have included the proviso in the contract that the pilot had to be licensed for the craft being flown. Is that being too wussy?

yeah, it is.

Jumpers dont care about FAA licenses, they just want enough time in type to handle the acft in tough situations and reasonable blood alcohol and drug levels in the jumpship pilots. I didnt say ZERO. I mean that would be hypocritical,

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Maybe I should have included the proviso in the contract that the pilot had to be licensed for the craft being flown. Is that being too wussy?

yeah, it is.

Jumpers dont care about FAA licenses, they just want enough time in type to handle the acft in tough situations and reasonable blood alcohol and drug levels in the jumpship pilots. I didnt say ZERO. I mean that would be hypocritical,

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ah! well that explains it.
I was at a DZ and I heard some guys talking to someone who must have been a pilot:

"So, can you take us up now, we want to get some jumps before it rains"

"With that plane? Are you nuts? I'd have to be drunk to fly that plane, in it's condition, not to mention the weather coming in"

"Yeah, we understand. The bar's over there. We'll be waiting at the plane".

[hangdiver 1]

Yeah, I jumped at teddy's place, while visiting, in the early ninties. I did some of my first tandem videos there. Everyone was amazed that the tandem pair stayed in the frame the entire jump.
Ted's a nice guy, good times. His daughter was pretty cool also.

I recall a day we were supposed to be doing some skydiving stunts at another dropzone and the weather was shit. We decided the only way to get the weather to change was go to the bar. It worked after two drinks the weather cleared and we did the jumps. shhh don't tell anyone.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan