DB Cooper

[skyjack71 0]

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Jo reported on behalf of the FBI:

(edit) Jo said "the last one 1/08/08" (I made a boo boo and got called away for the computer. I have corrected that to 1/08/07). Sorry!



(edit) Jo said ". Then the idiots accidentaly left what the agent called an invoice in the box when it was returned to me in 2007. Five yrs later. What was in the invoice they didn't want me to see was the fact that they did NOT run the first tests on the items until 11/07/06 and the last one 1/08/07.

I was typing from the INVOICE itself but has something else going on at the same time and came back to the computer and found my mistake. I usually check them before someone jumps on them. Snow - SLOW down - this old lady has to have time to check her posts.

I can accidentally make a mistake but I do not lie.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

The main point is you know nothing about FBI dna activity related to Cooper.

Why do you think you do?

Why do you try to convince others you do?

What's the point?

You do lie. Your claim to know about FBI dna related to Cooper is a lie. You just can't tell when you lie. See? Of course you don't think you lie, because you ignore people who say you are lying.

[skyjack71 0]

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The main point is you know nothing about FBI dna activity related to Cooper.

Why do you think you do?

Why do you try to convince others you do?

What's the point?

You do lie. Your claim to know about FBI dna related to Cooper is a lie. You just can't tell when you lie. See? Of course you don't lie, because you ignore people who say you are lying.

The agent called me after he got back to his office and told me he had left something in the box I wasn't supposed to have. WELL, I went to the box and found the INVOICE with was a detail sign in and out of each item and the person checking that item. I am reporting what was in the box and the report that was int he box. By the way - there were lots of things they didn't return - the tapes he kept in his van.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

The only thing you can guess at:

They tested duane's dna over a period of 2 months. basically the end of '06.
That's all the info you have.

You stretch that into a lie. Simple. What am I misunderstanding?

[mjosparky 4]

There are some 16,300 replies, over 400 pages in this tread. And no one knows anymore than they did when the tread was started. Talk about a waste of band width. None of witch has anything to do with skydiving.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[georger 247]

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There are some 16,300 replies, over 400 pages in this tread. And no one knows anymore than they did when the tread was started. Talk about a waste of band width. None of witch has anything to do with skydiving.

Sparky

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 1:3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 1:4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 1:7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 1:8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 1:9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 1:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 1:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 1:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 1:16 And Jacob begat Duane and Petey.

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are also fourteen generations; and from Babylon unto Duane &
Petey; are fourteen generations.

Therefore. Never send to know for whom the bell tolls, Sparky.

The bell tolls for thee!

Unto every Life a little Duane & Petey must freefall.
Yours is a dangerous hobby!

[377 22]

Petey's accounts of his life really do sound like boastful BS, but I agree with Snow, it actually checks out as true.

There are some very curious parallels between his book and Norjack. As I recall there is text in his book about walking along the Columbia River in freezing weather with inadequate foot protection

We also have his account of his FBI interview where he pays a lot of attention to Coopers thermal protection.

It is 100% pure speculation but you can almost infer that Petey experienced miserable cold at night near the Columbia and is now very aware that Cooper needed warmer shoes, gloves, a flashlight etc.

His various foreign postings look sooooo CIA, but he also seems too wacky to be a real US spook.

Maybe he was a "spy who came in from the cold".

I wonder if the FBI had anything besides the DNA which ruled him out?

Jo, about lies: you said you had evidence proving that Duane received parachute training. If it's true, why not post your evidence? When you repeatedly make unsubstantiated grandiose claims about Duane being Cooper it's no wonder that many see those claims as lies.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 247]

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Petey's accounts of his life really do sound like boastful BS, but I agree with Snow, it actually checks out as true.

There are some very curious parallels between his book and Norjack. As I recall there is text in his book about walking along the Columbia River in freezing weather with inadequate foot protection

We also have his account of his FBI interview where he pays a lot of attention to Coopers thermal protection.

It is 100% pure speculation but you can almost infer that Petey experienced miserable cold at night near the Columbia and is now very aware that Cooper needed warmer shoes, gloves, a flashlight etc.

His various foreign postings look sooooo CIA, but he also seems too wacky to be a real US spook.

Maybe he was a "spy who came in from the cold".

I wonder if the FBI had anything besides the DNA which ruled him out?

377

Everything you say could be true or not true, or
partially or in some part true or not true. I dont
know. I dont have any hard evidence to know
anything about Mr. Petey.

What I do know is: Good luck with your quest.

I have minimal or no interest in it, period.

Good luck,
Georger

[snowmman 3]

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There are some 16,300 replies, over 400 pages in this tread. And no one knows anymore than they did when the tread was started. Talk about a waste of band width. None of witch has anything to do with skydiving.

Sparky

Sparky.

Bandwidth is a measurement used when the stuff is transferred. If you don't read it, there's no bandwidth used, since nothing is transferred. It's your act that's wasting bandwidth, not anyone else's.

i.e. once it's posted, it's written on disks, and the only bandwidth used is when the site does backups.

Surely you're not worried about wasting space on a disk drive somewhere?

Why are you reading this stuff and wasting bandwidth?

Explain yourself. What are you, some kind of loser?

[snowmman 3]

Hey, look at the cans on that bimbo!

[snowmman 3]

Petey claims he jumped with a bag of flour at some time, probably in the early '60s. (definitely pre '71). If true, most likely it would have been at Issaquah, but unclear....could have been out of US.

The implication was some kind of dispersal on the jump or while under canopy...sort of like a current jump with smoke or something, I guess.

Before people jumped with smoke, did you ever hear of anyone goofing around and jumping with a bag of flour in the '60s?

It's a pretty odd brag.

Remember how I said it's hard to imagine things skydivers might tell as stories? If you were lying, why/how would you come up with a claim that you jumped with a bag of flour? Who would think of something weird like that? Or maybe it's a lie: why would you tell that lie then? To attract attention? But Petey did nothing to attract attention. If he did, tell me what? (there's a subtle argument to be made there, but I'll leave it to others)

He specified weight too. It was a big bag of flour. (heavier than the 20+lbs of money)

(edit) Oh ps, we know Petey had smokejumper training in MT. That's ironclad verified.

(edit) Oh yeah, the very existence of Petey proves the lie of the bullshit story that all interesting smokejumpers or ex-smokejumpers were checked out. They weren't, because they couldn't find them! Petey proves that. I suspect they just talked to the guys there about current jumpers and didn't think about all the guys back to the '50s..especially short timers.

People never want to think that the short timers could do stuff the experts wouldn't. It messes up the pissing, I mean pecking, order.

[Orange1 0]

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I wonder if the tip came from the ex-wife. I think there may have been a family law case between the two in 2003 in Bakersfield. Maybe support payments?

Wouldn't be the first time someone has kept quiet about a crime they know about until they've been crossed/seek revenge...?

re the brother - agree that it sounds like sour grapes. maybe started off scared, then envious that the older brother went off and did all sorts of "real man" stuff. (doesn't prove anything about the cooper case though)

and yeah...i'd rather get evidence about when dna testing was done from the fbi, thanks very much. see, duane hasn't been the only person they ever tested (gasp). also, they must have thought something about petey was important - carr said before that, because of time/hassle etc vs priority of case - they only did dna tests in the cooper case if it seemed like a good suspect (except duane where they were hounded to by jo) - which is why they didn't bother with christiansesn.
must be killing jo that she can't discredit petey on the basis of the dna because then her own argument about duane and the dna falls apart! and yes petey is SO much more ...fitted to the part than duane.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

Orange1, do you want to speed read a book?

You're missing some of the US insight, I think, but your background in literature would help give some interesting feedback about what kind of book we're talking about.

I thought the reading was heavy, but it's pdf and you can search for words you like.

You can skip around at first, but to get the full sense you have to speed read it.

it's about vietnam, which I know you're interested in.

Plus you'll understand more about what 377 and I are talking about?

I can give you a link to download from.

Anyone else, nah. There has as to be a quid pro quo..i.e. Bruce posts something, and I try to give him something more.

Your thoughts would be the quid pro quo.

[snowmman 3]

Orange1 pointed out "Carr said before that, because of time/hassle etc vs priority of case - they only did dna tests in the cooper case if it seemed like a good suspect"

It'd be nice to have Bruce confirm the physical description: height/weight/eye color/hair color.

I've done the best I could, and think it's a match there, but could be wrong. (edit) we know age is a reasonable match. And I have photos that can be interpreted to be at least as good a sketch match as any other claimed "good match" to date.

Secondary confirmation would be nice. Fryar may have seen Petey when he was too old. (edit) I've seen recent photo and he looks different than the earlier photos.

Alden would probably be best for confirming '71 physical.

(edit) Hey remember how I was wondering whether Ckret's leaving was tied to me passing Petey's name at the time? With all this new info about the FBI, doesn't it seem like it's possible?

Aren't people curious how every nutty thing I say has a taste of not being totally crazy?

(edit) 377 can confirm the date of the initial name passage was followed by Ckret leaving within weeks. Related? who knows.

[Orange1 0]

Georger didn't think Petey fitted the sketch. But then we have 377 etc telling us that culprits often don't look like their sketches.

Why am I also calling him Petey?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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Georger didn't think Petey fitted the sketch. But then we have 377 etc telling us that culprits often don't look like their sketches.

Why am I also calling him Petey?

Petey called himself "Pete". You should be able to find that online. Hey: if you think you can search, can you at least find the name of his book? (You'll find how he refers to himself as "Pete" if you do.

That search in itself gives some stuff to muse about. He really really wanted to get it published..it's like he's got something he wants to tell, but it's out of sync with the times...He's all about vietnam atrocities, but that's old news, so no one's interested.

But I'm wondering whether it's really another story he wants to tell.

If georger didn't think Petey fitted the sketch, why did the FBI take DNA and send an agent?

Note I don't think that agent was very good. Other agents Bruce interviewed had stronger backgrounds in investigative work, I think. I don't know her FBI experience. (Fryar)

But: she's selling real estate now. Jo has soured me on anyone connected to selling real estate.

(edit) If you find the name of this book, then find the poem it comes from (it's relatively well known) ..(edit) I'll make it easy:

The book title is in this post I made way back. The search facility here at DZ.com has some problems...if you search for the title you won't find it, (I think when you edit a post the changes don't show up in the search index, unless they rebuild the index)

so find the book title, then read this post and look at when I posted it. It's an easter egg!
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3385999;guest=66693531#3385999

(edit) And note I was replying to my nemesis, the evil Dr. Carr..

[Orange1 0]

I have a link to the book. I don't have time to read it.

The FBI lifted the DNA sample off the tie in 2001. I don't know when they did the first tests vs suspect DNA, but I'm sure they didn't just hang around for 6 years waiting to be hounded about Duane.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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I have a link to the book. I don't have time to read it.

The FBI lifted the DNA sample off the tie in 2001. I don't know when they did the first tests vs suspect DNA, but I'm sure they didn't just hang around for 6 years waiting to be hounded about Duane.

well there you go, then. 10 more pages till page 666!

[Farflung 0]

snowman,


Sparky represents the ultimate in personal ambivalence. He's not so much a loser as he is plain stupid and ungrateful. With 9,500 posts he complains about 16,000 on a thread??? Yes, I know some losers who are actually intelligent.

Sparky does not understand the nature of free services on the internet. He thinks he gets free TV from the local channels. Not that three mediocre broadcast mediums compelled him to purchase a TV and install some god awful contraption on the roof of his single wide.

As you know, most web sites are driven by revenue from members dues or advertising. Well 'ol Sparky likes what's free so you know he hasn't thrown down for membership on DZ.com, nosir. Sooooooo must be those advertising dollars which support such a site. Pretty simple to figure out if your head is out your donkey.

Your also aware that many advertisers use a 'click' count to measure product exposure and place a value on the advertising. Soooo, the threads with the highest view counts generate the most money for the web site. Even if the subject has nothing to do with skydiving. Hey, Sparky would be a good example, over 9,000 posts. You know each and every one of those is a religious nugget solely about the art of skydiving. In all likelihood a view count will generate the same revenue for DZ.com if it is about skydiving or the last guy you gave herpes to. I think that last sentence was redundant.

Like I said, I'm ambivalent about the Sparkies in the world. I hate being around them, not just because of the smell of stale urine but I feel I lose a few IQ points with every word they utter. On the other hand, easy sales to people of such limited intellect have made me a very wealthy man indeed.

[snowmman 3]

well posted farfoogle.

like I said, when all else fails, we practice our taunts.
Then, when we need them in an emergency elsewhere, our swords are honed.

Who wants to fight with a dull blade?

(edit) I suspect the real problem is that I can't be banned. There are a number of concepts behind the site, that say I should be banned. Yet I don't get banned. I am unbannable.
No one can ban me.

So it's a magnet for people to piss on..especially if you're used to fighting gravity which is black and white.

it's basically the same as me claiming i can fly without a parachute.

Which I can. Which is why I post a lot.

[Farflung 0]

Thought I would craft a quick homage to the single greatest skydiver.....ever. Has he been mentioned on DZ.com? Not as far as I can tell.....gee....why?

This man has numerous records which remain intact after nearly a half century and not a single acknowledgement to his jump. I'm of course typing about one Francis Gary Powers....where's the love?

But what records could I be referring to? Set your faces to stunned:

1. Highest altitude reached by a Mercury space suit without a rocket ship.

2. Greatest distance between launch site and DZ.

3. Highest altitude any pilot, jumpmaster and skydiver combination have reached (70,0000 feet).

4. Only skydiver expected to 'do it' in their pants before a jump.

5. Only free fall qualified for frequent flyer miles (13).

6. Highest, ejection seat assisted jump.

7. Longest jail time for unauthorized use of a DZ (18 months).

8. Only skydiver expected to commit suicide 'after' a world record jump.

9. Only skydiver traded for a Russian spy.

10. Only skydiver worth trading.

Well, it's only a few months till the 50th anniversary of this legendary jump and what better dais to acknowledge this than the D B Cooper thread which does not have a single thing to do with skydiving. OOOOooo Rah!!

[snowmman 3]

wow cool farflung.
I see the soviets still have his parachute on display.

here's the account from Gary himself in his book, of when he was landing after the jump.

377 will like this. he talks about trying to steer his round ..:)
(just published 2004, so may be new to folks)

http://books.google.com/books?id=O5qOKyrpQPkC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68#v=onepage&q=&f=false

trivia: he had a pack of Kents (cigarettes) in his pocket when he landed.

(edit) he says he just missed power lines by 25 ft.
Like you guys were saying: you jump into the middle of nowhere...you end up heading straight for the nearest power line.

[Farflung 0]

snowman,

You're right about the Kents,

11. Highest free fall of any micro-filtered tobacco product to be consumed in the USSR.

12. Validated power line skydiver attraction paradigm.

[snowmman 3]

I hate to argue with my esteemed colleague from the farflung edges of the galaxy, but there's no evidence I know of, that says the Kents were consumed. I would also note it's a "micronite filter" (see 3rd photo, which is almost the same as Powers except for the blue closure seal)

I've attached a picture of the actual smokes in question. It's not clear if the package had more at some time. Gary specifically said he did not reach for his Kents, when a Laika was offered. The Kents were taken, along with the other items in the photo. Maybe some of the captors smoked some? (the account below says the pack in Moscow is half-full, but that seems subjective?)

There is no account of how many cigarettes were there, or how many are in the display in Moscow, now.


First picture is the items Powers had when captured, from the Moscow Frontier museum.

Second picture is a package of Laikas.

Picture courtesy of http://users.ap.net/~burntofferings/adspowersphotos.html?
and from http://users.ap.net/~burntofferings/packspowers.html

(these details are confirmed in Gary's account)

On May 1st, 1960, CIA pilot Francis Gary Powers flew an espionage mission over the USSR that ended in his becoming a pawn in the Cold War.

From a base in Pakistan, Powers' Lockheed U-2 spyplane was to overfly Russia photographing military installations and gathering intelligence data. Known to the Soviets as "The Black Lady of Espionage," the high altitude U-2 was destroyed by a missile and Powers captured when he parachuted into a village near Sverdlovsk in central Russia.

Wreckage of the U-2 was displayed in Moscow's Gorky Park, along with Powers' silenced .22 caliber pistol, poisoned suicide pin, 24 gold coins, and his half-full pack of Kent cigarettes.

Thirty-one year old Francis Gary Powers was sentenced to three years in Vladimir Prison plus an additional seven years in a corrective labor colony, but was exchanged for Soviet master spy Colonel Rudolph Abel after serving one year, nine months, and ten days. The 1959 Kent package pictured below is almost identical to the pack Powers carried in a pocket of his pressure-suit. The only difference is the blue federal excise tax stamp.

The tax stamp had been discontinued in June 1959 and replaced with a blue closure seal. One last piece of cigarette trivia: One of the village men who had captured Francis Gary Powers offered him a "Laika."

Laika was a Russian filter tipped cigarette named for the dog sent into space aboard Sputnik II. Although he didn't read, write or speak Russian, Laika was easy for Powers to identify because the paper package used a picture of the famous dog for a logo. Powers thought the cigarette tasted much like its American counterparts.

[georger 247]

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Thought I would craft a quick homage to the single greatest skydiver.....ever. Has he been mentioned on DZ.com? Not as far as I can tell.....gee....why?

This man has numerous records which remain intact after nearly a half century and not a single acknowledgement to his jump. I'm of course typing about one Francis Gary Powers....where's the love?

But what records could I be referring to? Set your faces to stunned:

1. Highest altitude reached by a Mercury space suit without a rocket ship.

2. Greatest distance between launch site and DZ.

3. Highest altitude any pilot, jumpmaster and skydiver combination have reached (70,0000 feet).

4. Only skydiver expected to 'do it' in their pants before a jump.

5. Only free fall qualified for frequent flyer miles (13).

6. Highest, ejection seat assisted jump.

7. Longest jail time for unauthorized use of a DZ (18 months).

8. Only skydiver expected to commit suicide 'after' a world record jump.

9. Only skydiver traded for a Russian spy.

10. Only skydiver worth trading.

Well, it's only a few months till the 50th anniversary of this legendary jump and what better dais to acknowledge this than the D B Cooper thread which does not have a single thing to do with skydiving. OOOOooo Rah!!

good one!