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QuoteGeroger, Where did you find that poster?
I think the milk carton ads might work even better.
Jo, how about posting your contentions about what was going on in the WA camps during WW 2? Why be so secretive?
Galen's book is long overdue, I wonder what he is waiting for? I'll buy a copy no matter what.
I also want to buy an autographed copy of Sheridan Peterson's book but so far he has not responded with purchase info.
Despite Jo's suspicions, I am not writing a book, screenplay or anything else. It's just good fun, nothing more.
Is Tom still working on Norjack? What about the pollen evidence on the tie? Is he pursuing that?
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I made the poster, with a little help.
The milk carton idea might have worked .
I got to wondering if wanted posters work better
and have more public exposure vrs missing posters -which are people likely to pay more attention to?
As for Tom, Tom should speak for himself.
Otherwise I think things are on hold -
I actually called Tom by mistake the other day.
He probably doesnt believe that but its 100% true.
I needed to talk to Tom ______ and two numbers
came up on my pad so I dialed the first and Tom
Kaye answered! He identified himself and I hung
up embarrassed as hell (shouldnt have done that).
So I called the correct Tom, then called Tom Kaye back and we had a long conversation. I still feel
like an idiot the way it happened so apologies Tom!
if he's reading this. I really didnt mean to have it
happen the way it did - - - hope he's ok. The other
Tom I needed to talk to is the Treasurer for a group
I belong to and we needed to talk about something
important, so my mind was totally focused when Tom answered. So again, Tom K, I apologise.
As for Jo its the same old story isnt it? You havent
made a knat's worth of progress with her in two years. Jo is secretive because she has nothing.
Exactly as Sluggo says: those who talk... etc.
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As for Jo its the same old story isnt it? You havent
made a knat's worth of progress with her in two years. Jo is secretive because she has nothing.
Georger,
Cook nor Gray are telling all are they have - and they stand to make big buck off of what they are doing? Yet, all I am after is the truth and the truth is more valuable than any of the "stuff" others can write about.
There has been a snag in my WA efforts right now - but it is going to happen and very soon.
The FBI can sit on this forever. What I am doing will be right there in WA and Or and ID. I wish I had been able to do this 10 yrs ago when people were still alive but it was not financially feasible for me at that time. I also had some faith the FBI would do the right thing - BUT the never did.
Now I will do what I have to do...but I will do it right.
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QuoteI made the poster, with a little help.
Nice job Georger! Keep em coming.
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QuoteYet, all I am after is the truth and the truth is more valuable than any of the "stuff" others can write about.
The truth currently can not be established because there simply aren't enough relevant facts. Oh, there are hundreds of pages of facts that have been uncovered by some of the internet sleuths, but almost none of them actually mean anything and absolutely none of them actually put anyone in the airplane.
Do that, and somebody would actually have something, but nobody has. Until that point, almost all of the ramblings here are merely time wasters.
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We haven't solved the crime, but we've found some interesting relevant info (eg pre Norjack 727 jumps by Air America) and some interesting qualified Cooper candidates (Ted Braden) and have fun kicking ideas around.
True, we can't put anyone in the plane, but every unsolved crime looks like this until it "breaks".
It's highly unlikely that this forum will solve Norjack, but it's fun to try.
You claim to be the "world's most boring skydiver". I'm tired of unsubstantiated claims. Prove it. Until then it's just boasting. 
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QuoteYou claim to be the "world's most boring skydiver". I'm tired of unsubstantiated claims. Prove it. Until then it's just boasting.
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Now THAT is funny!
And...I'm waiting for the reply. Anxiously.
Guru312
I am not DB Cooper
I am not DB Cooper
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QuoteYou claim to be the "world's most boring skydiver". I'm tired of unsubstantiated claims. Prove it. Until then it's just boasting.
3000 jumps.
Zero trips to the doctor.
Zero reserve rides.
Nothing to talk about.
I'd say that qualifies.
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I do admit that the impressive stats imply your life under canopy has been, well dull/boring is certainly inappropiate, but lets say "uneventful".
Good on you for such exemplary safety Quade, but you help preserve the dangerous public perception that skydiving is safe. I feel obligated to let the public know the truth so I and most other long term jumpers do a cutaway every few decades.
3000 jumps and no reserve rides, hmmm, you may be a damned good packer and have perfect body position on deployment every time, or... you land some scary shit sometimes. The numbers don't always tell the whole story. Have you ever landed something marginal?
How about personal drama? No malfuntions cutaways there either? The term "skydiver" encompasses more than just your jumps.
I think you need to change your footnote to something which more accurately describes your situation. Boring remains unproven.
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Good on you for such exemplary safety Quade, but you help preserve the dangerous public perception that skydiving is safe. I feel obligated to let the public know the truth so I and most other long term jumpers do a cutaway every few decades.
3000 jumps and no reserve rides, hmmm, you may be a damned good packer and have perfect body position on deployment every time, or... you land some scary shit sometimes. The numbers don't always tell the whole story. Have you ever landed something marginal?
How about personal drama? No malfuntions cutaways there either? The term "skydiver" encompasses more than just your jumps.
I think you need to change your footnote to something which more accurately describes your situation. Boring remains unproven.
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georger 244
QuoteQuoteYou claim to be the "world's most boring skydiver". I'm tired of unsubstantiated claims. Prove it. Until then it's just boasting.
3000 jumps.
Zero trips to the doctor.
Zero reserve rides.
Nothing to talk about.
I'd say that qualifies.
I agree - but it may be the exception to the
rule in today's radioactive climate.
Cooper is like cold fusion. Nobody can deny
there is an effect. The question is, what does
it mean? People just dont vanish without a reason.
Heat in a cold universe hovering at about 3 degree above absolute zero, just doesn't occur without a reaction of some kind (something reacting).
All I can say is there are a lot of strange things going on by a lot of very strange people ... something explains the inexplicable!
I dont buy Jerry's explanation for Cooper vanishing
in the Washougal, any more than Snowmman did.
He was swept out to sea via the Columbia? Thats
all too convenient. Before I believe that I will believe
the Cooper Hijacking was a training exercise because
many facts support something like that, up to and including the very fact that of all the people involved in this event one person actually fits the physical
profile of Cooper (in general terms) and that is Mr.
Rataczak! Did Rat serve as the model for the sketch? Its quite coincidental to me.
They thought he had bailed but dont back to look?
Baloney. We know they went back - its in the transcript. The transcript itself looks to me like a
concoction. 20 minutes of missing tape right when he bails?
This case appears to defy plausibility and the ordinary constraints of symmetry. If you follow
the normal curve of probability which applies to
just about everything else in the world, one of two
options follows: he either got away clean and nobody
knew who he was or would talk, or there was no hijacking in the first place!
There is a value in setting up the opposition I
have established above. It either forces one to
explain how Cooper got away (vanished) OR you
have to admit this crime never happened at all.
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QuoteCooper is like cold fusion. Nobody can deny
there is an effect.
Is that true? Has neutron emission from the Pons Fleischman type cells been positively verified? I havent followed cold fusion. I am more interested in chemtrails and voices from the grave, you know, that Coast to Coast AM stuff.
The inventor of electrically scanned television, Philo Farnsworth thought he had invented a practical fusion power source called the FUSOR and even patented it. Turns out it DOES produce neutron emission and they are built today for research work, but they don't give a net power gain.
Cooper isn't like cold fusion. Cooper is more like Jack the Ripper, but a far less vicious criminal.
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QuoteBoring remains unproven.
Only because we've never met in real life. You're just going to have to trust me I guess.
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georger 244
yes neutrons have been detected however they are very low yield neutrons not atQuoteQuoteCooper is like cold fusion. Nobody can deny
there is an effect.
Is that true? Has neutron emission from the Pons Fleischman type cells been positively verified? I havent followed cold fusion. I am more interested in chemtrails and voices from the grave, you know, that Coast to Coast AM stuff.
The inventor of electrically scanned television, Philo Farnsworth thought he had invented a practical fusion power source called the FUSOR and even patented it. Turns out it DOES produce neutron emission and they are built today for research work, but they don't give a net power gain.
Cooper isn't like cold fusion. Cooper is more like Jack the Ripper, but a far less vicious criminal.
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the energy levels normally associated with (hot)
fusion. They may be a secondary effect, not a
primary byproduct of an actual fusion reaction -
that is the whole issue, ie., chemical reaction vs.
nuclear reaction. So far there are no commercial
advantages in this technology.
The energy-economy equation has changed
for our species. I see future energy production
needs being generated in space and not on the
Earth. That is our only real option -
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Cooper isn't like cold fusion. Cooper is more like Jack the Ripper, but a far less vicious criminal.
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Cooper is exactly like cold fusion to me!
Thats a great metaphor.
Do you realise, most people in LE right up to the
Federal level, are not technically trained to any great
extent in the areas of forensics, science, etc. Their
training is elsewhere because the bulk of their time
is spent doing other things and employing different
thinking strategies .... as well as if a violinist is
not trained to do cement construction! .... or a FBI
guy knows about isotopes! ... or a cook knows
molecular chemistry! .... of a bioengineer knows
squat about painting a house! ... it is all an
occupational training and life experience matter. Nothing strange about this. And yet a lot of people expect FBI agents to be God and know "everything"! They dont, no more than the avewrage citizen knows or can do everything in their venue of life. Or your
local butcher could do brain surgery!
For these reasons this is why I have always taken HUGE exception to everything Jo has ever said or expected with respect to the FBI ... and Snowmman
likewise... we all have vested and learned experience.
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QuoteThe energy-economy equation has changed
for our species. I see future energy production
needs being generated in space and not on the
Earth. That is our only real option -
You may be right G. How do you get the power to Earth?
Tether cable, microwave beam?
I can see skydivers/base jumpers scheming about climbing tethers.
I must be missing something in the Cooper Cold Fusion analogy. Norjack to me is simply a whodunnit. Cold fusion is a whatizzit.
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georger 244
Microwave it down and bring down charged fuel cells - thats the easy part. The political,QuoteQuoteThe energy-economy equation has changed
for our species. I see future energy production
needs being generated in space and not on the
Earth. That is our only real option -
You may be right G. How do you get the power to Earth?
Tether cable, microwave beam?
I can see skydivers/base jumpers scheming about climbing tethers.
I must be missing something in the Cooper Cold Fusion analogy. Norjack to me is simply a whodunnit. Cold fusion is a whatizzit.
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economic, distribution, vested interest part is going to be a nightmare.
We literally have to start living off nearby space,
the Sun, and the Moon .... ASAP! ... and there is
no human way around it. If we dont we face
extinction rich and poor alike.
There is the other option: sit and do nothing.
Keep things just as they are and let Nature do it for us or let Nature take its course, which means a lot of strife and suffering with uncertain results, very likely more wars, and with enough time we might stumble on something brand new in physics which opens up
new opportunities, and makes the exploitation of
our resources easier and more definate. Past
history may be the future ...
I look in on the Cooper case from the outside
just like any other puzzle. Its a pretty simple puzzle
as far as puzzles go. What is making it so difficult.
Who made this thing!? Microsoft?
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The truth currently can not be established because there simply aren't enough relevant facts. Oh, there are hundreds of pages of facts that have been uncovered by some of the internet sleuths, but almost none of them actually mean anything and absolutely none of them actually put anyone in the airplane.
Do that, and somebody would actually have something, but nobody has. Until that point, almost all of the ramblings here are merely time wasters.
Have the passengers (media and investigators) got their seat belts fastened and have the jumpers (who commit themselves to this discussion) secured their equipment?
Remember that a lot of what has been revealed in this forum HAS NEVER reached the PUBLIC nor have any of the "survivors" of that plane been given the opportunity to review not only Weber, but these other subjects......
Outside of interivews conducted by journalist not ONE FBI agent has presented any information regarding Weber or other suspects to any "survivor" from Nov. 24, 1971. Only with Weber have there been items introduced that might put him on that plane...and these item have NOT been revealed or shown to the crew.
Conversations conducted today are the precursors for this presentation to take place.....SO we will all have some answers in the very near future.
In the mean time I intend to go thru with my little exercise in WA and hope it will be productive (I had a slight delay due to malfunctioning equipment). Alternate (but expensive means) are now being utilized to facilitate this happening. By the end of April the results of this exercise should be available if NOT public by then.
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QuoteSO we will all have some answers in the very near future.
Vague definitions are . . . vague.
Define "near future". Is that anything like "the end is near"?
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QuoteQuoteSO we will all have some answers in the very near future.
Vague definitions are . . . vague.
Define "near future". Is that anything like "the end is near"?
The first part will be happening within the next 60 days and the repercussion for that action will determine the future of lots of individuals - unless the FBI steps in and stops things.
According to one person who was involved in a similar Cooper related activity many yrs ago he and others were paid a visit by some very important people. I questioned if this did happen, but given the FBI reaction or lack of reaction to things I have put in front of them WITH NO investigation of specific information, I expect he was telling the truth.
Second part of this will happen at the disgression of other parties and that will be their option to speak or forever keep the secrets of the past - but I think the way things are starting to fall into place - that we may be able to present a unified group who is fed up with how this has been handled. to this point.
As it stands right now there are several writers putting a lot of their life and their money into books about Cooper, but without the efforts of those who really count. The people still living who participated in the hijacking as hostages and victims are some what alarmed about how the writers are going to handle their character and these individuals will not recieve any moneys nor have any control over what is said about them.
The truth will be coming soon, but everyone has to be in agreement....it has been too many yrs and too many secrets.
When dectectives, writers and jerks invade private lives with falseshood - people get upset.
After almost 40 yrs - there are those who intend to take this situation into their own hands...and end it - it is time for it to end.
The actions of some who have participated in regards to the crew and passengers have been overbearing and the lies are not going to fly. Maybe it is time for them to tell their own story - rather than others speculating and talking to their family members and friends in what is considered an unethical manner.
This story has continued to line the pocket of everyone but the victims - that is going to change.
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QuoteThis story has continued to line the pocket of everyone but the victims - that is going to change.
As far as I can tell nobody has made any serious money on Cooper stories. Movies, books and TV shows have all been duds commercially speaking.
It looks like Cooper himself didn't even "line his pockets" but rather lined the Columbia River.
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georger 244
QuoteQuoteQuoteSO we will all have some answers in the very near future.
Vague definitions are . . . vague.
Define "near future". Is that anything like "the end is near"?
The first part will be happening within the next 60 days and the repercussion for that action will determine the future of lots of individuals - unless the FBI steps in and stops things.
According to one person who was involved in a similar Cooper related activity many yrs ago he and others were paid a visit by some very important people. I questioned if this did happen, but given the FBI reaction or lack of reaction to things I have put in front of them WITH NO investigation of specific information, I expect he was telling the truth.
Second part of this will happen at the disgression of other parties and that will be their option to speak or forever keep the secrets of the past - but I think the way things are starting to fall into place - that we may be able to present a unified group who is fed up with how this has been handled. to this point.
As it stands right now there are several writers putting a lot of their life and their money into books about Cooper, but without the efforts of those who really count. The people still living who participated in the hijacking as hostages and victims are some what alarmed about how the writers are going to handle their character and these individuals will not recieve any moneys nor have any control over what is said about them.
The truth will be coming soon, but everyone has to be in agreement....it has been too many yrs and too many secrets.
When dectectives, writers and jerks invade private lives with falseshood - people get upset.
After almost 40 yrs - there are those who intend to take this situation into their own hands...and end it - it is time for it to end.
The actions of some who have participated in regards to the crew and passengers have been overbearing and the lies are not going to fly. Maybe it is time for them to tell their own story - rather than others speculating and talking to their family members and friends in what is considered an unethical manner.
This story has continued to line the pocket of everyone but the victims - that is going to change.
Nonsense.
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QuoteQuoteSO we will all have some answers in the very near future.
Vague definitions are . . . vague.
Define "near future". Is that anything like "the end is near"?
Jo's definitions of things like the "near future", "evidence" and "proof" seem to be very different from anyone else's.
I'm still hoping to hear from Pete if he had heard about the 727 jumptests while he was in Asia...
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
All,
Jo refuses to recognize what I warned her about almost 2-years ago now. That being: “If she continued along her (then) current path, she would completely destroy any credibility she might still be hanging on to.”
Jo could have “absolute proof” (proof that any reasonable person would accept as valid) that Duane was Cooper or maybe that Duane knew Cooper and everyone would respond just as they have responded to her last 20 posts. The most recent reply from georger (a rational person) is a case in point. She has expended all of her credibility capital. As a result, anyone who has any credibility (even though they might think she is onto something) keeps their distance from her.
I find this very sad, Jo is (as we say in the Deep South) “good people,’ she just doesn’t understand the larger world in the 21st century. The internet as a research tool and communication tool has backfired on Jo. She doesn’t understand that powerful devices (the internet) must be used with extreme respect for the power they offer. Power that can help you and power that can hurt you. Jo has carelessly used the internet to destroy any support she might have garnered in the pre-internet days.
I can’t fix this now, none of you can fix it now, only Jo can fix it (with the help of someone who still has credibility). Jo should stop posting here or anywhere else, enlist the help of some rational investigator (Gray, Cook, 377, SafecrackingPLF, etc.) to present her case in a rational manner, stating the “facts” with candor, and let the readers determine whether or not she might be “on-to-something.”
I know this is mostly “preaching to the choir.” Most of the regular posters here already know this. I just hope that some of you can convince her that it is the only path she has left (if she wants to accomplish something positive). Otherwise… if she keeps doing what she’s doing, she’ll keep getting what she is getting. That is; “Totally ignored.”
I am reminded of the following poem. The bold red part was written on one of the Decay-Heat Vault walls at Three-Mile-Island (a few days after the accident) where the dose rate beyond that point was over 10,000 R/hr.
Nightmare With Angels
By Stephen Vincent Benet
An angel came to me and stood by my bedside,
Remarking in a professional-historical-economic and irritated voice,
"If the Romans had only invented a decent explosion-engine!
Not even the best, not even a Ford V-8
But, say, a Model-T or even an early Napier,
They'd have built good enough roads for it (they knew how to build roads)
From Cape Wrath to Cape St. Vincent, Susa, Babylon and Moscow.
And the motorized legions never would have fallen,
And Peace, in the shape of a giant eagle, would brood over the entire Western World!"
He changed his expression, looking now like a combination of Gilbert Murray, Hilaire Belloc, and a dozen other scientists, writers, and prophets,
And continued, in angelic tones,
"If the Greeks had known how to cooperate, if there'd never been a Reformation,
If Sparta had not been Sparta, and the Church had been the Church of the saits,
The Argive peace like a free-blooming olive-tree, the peace of Christ (who loved peace) like a great, beautiful vine enwrapping the spinning earth!
Take it nearer home," he said.
Take these Mayans and their star-clocks, their carvings and their great cities.
Who sacked them out of their cities, drowned the cities with a green jungle?
A plague? A change of climate? A queer migration?
Certainly they were skillful, certainly they created.
And in Tenochtitlan, the dark obsidian knife and the smoking heart on the stone but a fair city,
And the Incas had it worked out beautifully til Pizarro smashed them.
The collectivist state was there, and the ladies very agreeable.
They lacked steel, alphabet, and gunpowder and they had to get married when the government said so.
They also lacked unenployment and overproduction.
For that matter," he said, "take the Cro-Magnons,
The fellows with the big skills, the handsome folk, the excellent scribers of mammoths,
Physical gods and yet with sensative brain (they drew the fine, running reindeer).
What stopped them? What kept us all from being Apollos and Aphrodites
Only with a new taste to the nectar,
The laughing gods, not the cruel, the gods of song, not of war?
Supposing Aurelius, Confucious, Napoleon, Plato, Gautama, Alexander -
Just to name half a dozen -
Had ever realized and stabilized the full dream?
How long, O Lord God in the highest? How long, what now, perturbed spirit?"
He turned blue at the wingtips and disappeared as another angel approached me.
This one was quietly but appropriately dressed in cellophane, synthetic rubber and stainless steel,
But his mask was the blind mask of Ares, snouted for gasmasks.
He was neither soldier, sailor, farmer, dictator, nor munitions-manufacturer.
Nor did he have much conversation, except to say,
"You will not be saved by General Motors or the prefabricated house.
You will not be saved by dialectic materialism or the Lambeth Conference.
You will not be saved by Vitamin D or the expanding universe.
In Fact, you will not be saved."
In his hand was a woven, wire basket, full of seeds, small metallic and shining like the seeds of portulaca; Where he sowed them, the green vine withered, and the smoke and armies sprang up.
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Jo refuses to recognize what I warned her about almost 2-years ago now. That being: “If she continued along her (then) current path, she would completely destroy any credibility she might still be hanging on to.”
Jo could have “absolute proof” (proof that any reasonable person would accept as valid) that Duane was Cooper or maybe that Duane knew Cooper and everyone would respond just as they have responded to her last 20 posts. The most recent reply from georger (a rational person) is a case in point. She has expended all of her credibility capital. As a result, anyone who has any credibility (even though they might think she is onto something) keeps their distance from her.
I find this very sad, Jo is (as we say in the Deep South) “good people,’ she just doesn’t understand the larger world in the 21st century. The internet as a research tool and communication tool has backfired on Jo. She doesn’t understand that powerful devices (the internet) must be used with extreme respect for the power they offer. Power that can help you and power that can hurt you. Jo has carelessly used the internet to destroy any support she might have garnered in the pre-internet days.
I can’t fix this now, none of you can fix it now, only Jo can fix it (with the help of someone who still has credibility). Jo should stop posting here or anywhere else, enlist the help of some rational investigator (Gray, Cook, 377, SafecrackingPLF, etc.) to present her case in a rational manner, stating the “facts” with candor, and let the readers determine whether or not she might be “on-to-something.”
I know this is mostly “preaching to the choir.” Most of the regular posters here already know this. I just hope that some of you can convince her that it is the only path she has left (if she wants to accomplish something positive). Otherwise… if she keeps doing what she’s doing, she’ll keep getting what she is getting. That is; “Totally ignored.”
I am reminded of the following poem. The bold red part was written on one of the Decay-Heat Vault walls at Three-Mile-Island (a few days after the accident) where the dose rate beyond that point was over 10,000 R/hr.
Nightmare With Angels
By Stephen Vincent Benet
An angel came to me and stood by my bedside,
Remarking in a professional-historical-economic and irritated voice,
"If the Romans had only invented a decent explosion-engine!
Not even the best, not even a Ford V-8
But, say, a Model-T or even an early Napier,
They'd have built good enough roads for it (they knew how to build roads)
From Cape Wrath to Cape St. Vincent, Susa, Babylon and Moscow.
And the motorized legions never would have fallen,
And Peace, in the shape of a giant eagle, would brood over the entire Western World!"
He changed his expression, looking now like a combination of Gilbert Murray, Hilaire Belloc, and a dozen other scientists, writers, and prophets,
And continued, in angelic tones,
"If the Greeks had known how to cooperate, if there'd never been a Reformation,
If Sparta had not been Sparta, and the Church had been the Church of the saits,
The Argive peace like a free-blooming olive-tree, the peace of Christ (who loved peace) like a great, beautiful vine enwrapping the spinning earth!
Take it nearer home," he said.
Take these Mayans and their star-clocks, their carvings and their great cities.
Who sacked them out of their cities, drowned the cities with a green jungle?
A plague? A change of climate? A queer migration?
Certainly they were skillful, certainly they created.
And in Tenochtitlan, the dark obsidian knife and the smoking heart on the stone but a fair city,
And the Incas had it worked out beautifully til Pizarro smashed them.
The collectivist state was there, and the ladies very agreeable.
They lacked steel, alphabet, and gunpowder and they had to get married when the government said so.
They also lacked unenployment and overproduction.
For that matter," he said, "take the Cro-Magnons,
The fellows with the big skills, the handsome folk, the excellent scribers of mammoths,
Physical gods and yet with sensative brain (they drew the fine, running reindeer).
What stopped them? What kept us all from being Apollos and Aphrodites
Only with a new taste to the nectar,
The laughing gods, not the cruel, the gods of song, not of war?
Supposing Aurelius, Confucious, Napoleon, Plato, Gautama, Alexander -
Just to name half a dozen -
Had ever realized and stabilized the full dream?
How long, O Lord God in the highest? How long, what now, perturbed spirit?"
He turned blue at the wingtips and disappeared as another angel approached me.
This one was quietly but appropriately dressed in cellophane, synthetic rubber and stainless steel,
But his mask was the blind mask of Ares, snouted for gasmasks.
He was neither soldier, sailor, farmer, dictator, nor munitions-manufacturer.
Nor did he have much conversation, except to say,
"You will not be saved by General Motors or the prefabricated house.
You will not be saved by dialectic materialism or the Lambeth Conference.
You will not be saved by Vitamin D or the expanding universe.
In Fact, you will not be saved."
In his hand was a woven, wire basket, full of seeds, small metallic and shining like the seeds of portulaca; Where he sowed them, the green vine withered, and the smoke and armies sprang up.
Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum
QuoteAll,
Jo refuses to recognize what I warned her about almost 2-years ago now. That being: “If she continued along her (then) current path, she would completely destroy any credibility she might still be hanging on to.”Quote
How very very wrong you are!
I depended on others for yrs and look where it got me - NO WHERE!. Understand this - the FBI is not and WILL not investigate Cooper. I hurt myself by exploring theories, but they only enforced the core of my beliefs.
What I learned in the thread enforced what I believed and things that led me to where I am now. THE FORUM has provided me a means to make contact with the very people who have assisted me...therefore not every one thought I had destroyed my credibility.
When Sluggo and others find out
what is going on - they will not be a part of it.
To Sluggo:
I respected you and asked for your help, but all I got from you was negatives (even now all your post are negatives regarding me). When OUR research came up with things - I asked for your help, but you refused to answer even the simplest of questions and some of these where questions you would know the answer to - such as Camp Bonneville.
Unless you are FBI and KNOW what they are hiding...you have NO IDEA what WE have found.
You KNOW who I have talked to (given away by your terminology used) and therefore - YOU HAVE TO KNOW that I have recently shut down any new information to these sources and to the thread, BECAUSE I have recently gone where NONE of them have gone......
Definitely I have not gone about this in a systematic way the analytical minds of Georger and Sluggo and others would have, but I worked with what I had and I did try to depend on others and LOOK where it got me - NO WHERE!
Carr did not come to this thread to discuss Cooper - he came here for a completely different purpose and you KNOW that.
The efforts of a closed mind - would never have venture where I have gone and had I been as organized as other, I would not have considered them.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
I think the milk carton ads might work even better.
Jo, how about posting your contentions about what was going on in the WA camps during WW 2? Why be so secretive?
Galen's book is long overdue, I wonder what he is waiting for? I'll buy a copy no matter what.
I also want to buy an autographed copy of Sheridan Peterson's book but so far he has not responded with purchase info.
Despite Jo's suspicions, I am not writing a book, screenplay or anything else. It's just good fun, nothing more.
Is Tom still working on Norjack? What about the pollen evidence on the tie? Is he pursuing that?
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