DB Cooper

[Orange1 0]

There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Based on her response.... it's worse than I thought. She has lost all touch with reasonable thought.

PS:
Did you know the FBI lied to her?
Did you know the FBI didn't do their job?
Did you know that I work for the FBI?

Boy!... that's really sad.

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Based on her response.... it's worse than I thought. She has lost all touch with reasonable thought.

Here/s a novel thought -

Is 'Jo Weber' an example of the kind of effect
Cooper hoped to have? Were his aims as much
political as financial?

- Is 'Jo Weber' a piece of evidence in this case?
She is if Cooper intended this effect!

- Beside his physical evidence there are only two
pieces of other evidence in this case. The rear
door placard torn off when Cooper opened the
door. And money at Tina Bar. Two actual events
caused two pieces of evidence to be left.

If we take this at face value and assume everything
Cooper did left actual evidence, then not only are
misanthropes like Jo Weber evidence, but the lack of other hard evidence "is evidence" - a direct association! The facts of the case have produced
exactly the evidence found.

That means Cooper lost the money but probably
got away. He probably lost the money somewhere
near the upper Washougal tributary system but placed escape above locating his lost money pouch.

The placard was found almost directly under the
flight path and the money came from exactly
where it landed then arrived at Tina's Bar via the flood of 1977. * Hydrologist Bradley speculated
that had to be within ten feet of one major tributary
in the Wasgougal drainage basin.

The Jo Weber Effect is collateral evidence of
Cooper's hijacking and escape fueling public
misanthropic imaginations! The other hard
evidence is thus complete with nothing else to
find (in Washington) and consistent with the facts.

The missing link in this case is "the facts and evidence are complete and consistent". There
is no other evidence to find (in the State of Washington) but the fact this is not apparent
has lead to the notion of missing evidence!

The socalled missing facts and missing evidence
have been a phantom, just like Jo Weber. This case
is complete - we just didnt see it!

Case complete.

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georger --

I can think of a lot of words to call Jo, but "misanthrope" isn't one of them. Are you certain you understand what the word means?

She may have a justifiable dislike of many people, but I doubt she hates all mankind.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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georger --
She may have a justifiable dislike of many people, but I doubt she hates all mankind.

I have only the following words to say:

I did not say Sluggo was FBI and I definitely feel no malice toward anyone other than Jerry Thomas.
If Jerry's conversation with me had been recorded - not one of you would approve of any individual being treated that way - it was inhumane....it was torturous and mean.

There is not much more I can say, but truely hope each one of you will feel some remorse when all of this comes to light. Upon reciting some of what I have told to the FBI and items I described in detail to them and to others - things the FBI seemed to have NO interest in - I was asked this Question. Did you tell all of this to the FBI?

This has been a very difficult 14 yrs and I would not wish them upon any living human being. The truth will prevail and the truth will be told.

Not once did I falter in my belief and not once did I ever doubt what I saw and what I was told.
The only part of this I question is WHY the FBI continued to probagate lies and deception - and/or are our investigative forces that inept? Didn't they ever look back at the orginal files or did they loose (or misplace) them as they supposedly did the cigarette butts.

May 24, 1996 was my first contact with the FBI and May 24, 2010 is the 14 th anniversary of this plight.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Not once did I falter in my belief and not once did I ever doubt what I saw and what I was told.

Precisely - in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you have never faltered in your belief, so you have to resort to some way over the top conspiracy theory (anyone look back and see the hundred different angles of this. ranging from MLK to freemasons to smokejumpers) to justify it.

Believing something, no matter how faithfully and sbsolutely, doesn't make it true.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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The truth currently can not be established because there simply aren't enough relevant facts. Oh, there are hundreds of pages of facts that have been uncovered by some of the internet sleuths, but almost none of them actually mean anything and absolutely none of them actually put anyone in the airplane.

Do that, and somebody would actually have something, but nobody has. Until that point, almost all of the ramblings here are merely time wasters.

Have the passengers (media and investigators) got their seat belts fastened and have the jumpers (who commit themselves to this discussion) secured their equipment?

Remember that a lot of what has been revealed in this forum HAS NEVER reached the PUBLIC nor have any of the "survivors" of that plane been given the opportunity to review not only Weber, but these other subjects......

Outside of interivews conducted by journalist not ONE FBI agent has presented any information regarding Weber or other suspects to any "survivor" from Nov. 24, 1971. Only with Weber have there been items introduced that might put him on that plane...and these item have NOT been revealed or shown to the crew.

Conversations conducted today are the precursors for this presentation to take place.....SO we will all have some answers in the very near future.

In the mean time I intend to go thru with my little exercise in WA and hope it will be productive (I had a slight delay due to malfunctioning equipment). Alternate (but expensive means) are now being utilized to facilitate this happening. By the end of April the results of this exercise should be available if NOT public by then.

NEWSFLASH JO - This IS a PUBLIC forum! So if it has been revealed here it is has been revealed in public!

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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georger --

I can think of a lot of words to call Jo, but "misanthrope" isn't one of them. Are you certain you understand what the word means?

She may have a justifiable dislike of many people, but I doubt she hates all mankind.

I know what the word means. Maybe I was wrong.
Maybe all it is is Jo has acquired a new larger
monitor somebody installed for her, and with that
change in her vista she now feels she and WE can
control the State of Washington, and that could
lead to controling the Universe. Jo never thinks
small.

Wake me when she divides fishes and loaves to
feed the multitudes.

Jo Weber/Duane Weber is a "symptom" in the
Cooper case, not a primary ingredient.

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ok after being stuck in Detroit airport for 2 days trying to get home, I was on a DC-9 coming home. I was looking at the card in the seat pocket(boredom) and it showed the rear emergency exit. Somthing i never thought about if it is an emergency exit, it has the Cooper Vain on it, does that mean the Cooper vain can be released internally in the event of an emergency? I was always under the assumption it had to be released EXTERNALLY. It that right?

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It works be sensing airflow. If enough air is flowing, it prevents the stairs from being opened. I thought they were only on 727's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_vane

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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ok after being stuck in Detroit airport for 2 days trying to get home, I was on a DC-9 coming home. I was looking at the card in the seat pocket(boredom) and it showed the rear emergency exit. Somthing i never thought about if it is an emergency exit, it has the Cooper Vain on it, does that mean the Cooper vain can be released internally in the event of an emergency? I was always under the assumption it had to be released EXTERNALLY. It that right?

You're so vain... I bet you think this post is about you.....

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The Cooper Vane rotates to a door blocking position with high speed airflow. When a plane is taxying or stationary, gravity rotates it and it does not block the ventral door/stairs from deploying outward.

When I jumped the DC 9-21 at WFFC 2006 it had a working Cooper Vane but since the stairs were removed it served no blocking function even at flight speeds. Nothing extended outward to bloc k.

Were you on an old time real DC 9 or an MD 80 or later variant?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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- Beside his physical evidence there are only two
pieces of other evidence in this case. The rear
door placard torn off when Cooper opened the
door. And money at Tina Bar.

True... and soooo frustrating. Somewhere is a much larger piece of evidence: Coopers rig. Unless it is underwater it is likely to be found someday. He had no reason to hike it out if he landed alive. All he'd want to do is hide it from searchers while he walked out.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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- Beside his physical evidence there are only two
pieces of other evidence in this case. The rear
door placard torn off when Cooper opened the
door. And money at Tina Bar.

True... and soooo frustrating. Somewhere is a much larger piece of evidence: Coopers rig. Unless it is underwater it is likely to be found someday. He had no reason to hike it out if he landed alive. All he'd want to do is hide it from searchers while he walked out.

377

all he had to do was burn it and he the
means... and the time.

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The Cooper Vane rotates to a door blocking position with high speed airflow. When a plane is taxying or stationary, gravity rotates it and it does not block the ventral door/stairs from deploying outward.

When I jumped the DC 9-21 at WFFC 2006 it had a working Cooper Vane but since the stairs were removed it served no blocking function even at flight speeds. Nothing extended outward to bloc k.

Were you on an old time real DC 9 or an MD 80 or later variant?

377

Lots of flights on all of them.... oh and I do believe if you look here... you will see the first B-727 and over to its starboard... is a green AN-2.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=everett&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.826758,84.023438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&ll=47.908583,-122.273895&spn=0.001005,0.002564&t=h&z=19

Blurb on it..

http://www.museumofflight.org/aircraft/boeing-727-022

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all he had to do was burn it and he the
means... and the time.

There is a surprising amount of metal on an NB6 or NB8. It is distinctive stuff (buckles, snaps, rip cord flex housing, pack opening band springs and hooks, riser connector links etc) and would likely get noticed if found in Cooper LZ territory. I think Cooper would avoid a fire. Too visible to searchers.

Amazon, will a surplus rig burn with self sustaining flame?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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all he had to do was burn it and he the
means... and the time.

There is a surprising amount of metal on an NB6 or NB8. It is distinctive stuff (buckles, snaps, rip cord flex housing, pack opening band springs and hooks, riser connector links etc) and would likely get noticed if found in Cooper LZ territory. I think Cooper would avoid a fire. Too visible to searchers.

Amazon, will a surplus rig burn with self sustaining flame?

377

It melts first... but if you get it hot enouff.. the webbing and pack material.. as well as the suspension lines.. and canopy will burn. building a BIG white mans fire under a canopy being used as a fire circle canopy... can get UGLY.. a shower of dripping, flaming nylon is scary shit.

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all he had to do was burn it and he the
means... and the time.

There is a surprising amount of metal on an NB6 or NB8. It is distinctive stuff (buckles, snaps, rip cord flex housing, pack opening band springs and hooks, riser connector links etc) and would likely get noticed if found in Cooper LZ territory. I think Cooper would avoid a fire. Too visible to searchers.

Amazon, will a surplus rig burn with self sustaining flame?

377

It melts first... but if you get it hot enouff.. the webbing and pack material.. as well as the suspension lines.. and canopy will burn. building a BIG white mans fire under a canopy being used as a fire circle canopy... can get UGLY.. a shower of dripping, flaming nylon is scary shit.

Flash ignition temp of nylon is ~750F.
Average road flare burns at +1400F.
Once the nylon is ignited its a self sustaining
fire (highly flammabile) especially in the presence
of other burning materials (wood etc). Easy way to
dry and ignite wet wood etc... especially pine.

[Orange1 0]

OK, so chances are he didn't burn the rig.
I think 377 is right - it is still out there somewhere.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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OK, so chances are he didn't burn the rig.
I think 377 is right - it is still out there somewhere.

Huh? what is that based on? Nylon wont burn?

I feel there is a giant dissconnect here in this forum
which cant be bridged.

How did we decide "chances are" he didnt burn the rig? The lottery according to 377's dice?

You decide. Issue a monthly newsletter posted somewhere.

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OK, so chances are he didn't burn the rig.
I think 377 is right - it is still out there somewhere.

Huh? what is that based on? Nylon wont burn?

I feel there is a giant dissconnect here in this forum
for some reason.

If I say "A" someone is sure to say "piquat" which
is Mayan for TZ.

I feel like Im talking to Martians.

I really don't think the Mayans did much jumping from planes.... now if they had some cool way to miracle their asses up to altitude.... they need to share.

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OK, so chances are he didn't burn the rig.
I think 377 is right - it is still out there somewhere.

No reason to burn it, just covering it would be enough.

If we found the rig and no body it probably wouldn't lead us much closer to who Cooper was.

I do think it or at least the metal pieces (if it was burned or rotted) of it are out there somewhere.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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OK, so chances are he didn't burn the rig.
I think 377 is right - it is still out there somewhere.

No reason to burn it, just covering it would be enough.

If we found the rig and no body it probably wouldn't lead us much closer to who Cooper was.

I do think it or at least the metal pieces (if it was burned or rotted) of it are out there somewhere.

377

Well there is that whole conservation of mass thing.. so yes it has to be there somewhere

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OK, so chances are he didn't burn the rig.
I think 377 is right - it is still out there somewhere.

No reason to burn it, just covering it would be enough.

If we found the rig and no body it probably wouldn't lead us much closer to who Cooper was.

I do think it or at least the metal pieces (if it was burned or rotted) of it are out there somewhere.

377

Well there is that whole conservation of mass thing.. so yes it has to be there somewhere

The conservation law that applies is the
mass-energy law. E=mc(2). When burned the
bulk of the mass is converted to energy and
heat, plus a few hydrocarbon ashes . Metal parts would be difficult to detect unless you were right on them.

One interesting fact about the chute is that it was
one of the most durable items in Cooper's repertoire
more durable and conspicuous than either the placard, the money, or Cooper himself. And yet
the chute is the one item not found. Cooper showed
no concern over hiding evidence on the plane but he did show his ability to adapt and use resources
available, so he probably used the chute for something vs. being concerned if it was found
after he was gone. If he is dead then his concern ends and the matter is out of his hands.

Maybe he opened a military surplus store with it and sold it along with a sign that read: DB Cooper's Parachute, and some buyer has it over his bar?
377 is right. Its somewhere. Either as atoms on the
ground and in the air or buried or parted out in nature or maybe soon to show up on eBay.

Maybe 377 can retrace it through e.s.p. ?

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377 is right. Its somewhere. Either as atoms on the
ground and in the air or buried or parted out in nature or maybe soon to show up on eBay.

Maybe 377 can retrace it through e.s.p. ?

Hey, that's a great idea Georger. I am going to use FOIA to force the CIA to disclose their psychic archives. I want a govt. approved medium. No point wasting time with pretend psychics right?

If Cooper went in as a no pull, a packed chute isn't very visible in a green brushy environment. I still think vultures would have been circling the carcass eventually if it impacted on land. They are really good at finding decaying carcasses. Savvy Cooper hunters would have been looking for vulture groups circling.

The fact that no body or rig remains have been found plus the Tena Bar find argue towards a water landing... or time travel, dimension hopping or transmutation.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.