DB Cooper

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Thanks Bruce for the serious reply. I have acquired an interest in theoretical and quantum physics in my old age. I am definitely a layman in that field but enjoy the reading I do.
I'm in the process of reading your papers, very interesting, thanks.

I've had a couple of very interesting ESP experiences, one a 3,000 mile spontaneous communication where I immediately made a phone call and it was confirmed to the shock of both myself and the other party. Kind of freaky.

The RV interest came from me being fairly immobile after back surgery and spent time on the internet looking into unexplainable events leading me to RV. I have never tried RV but have read the protocols.

HERE is a link to some work on spinning superconductors creating a measurable gravity field in the lab if you haven't already seen this.

Doing some work with RV on the Cooper case can't be as hard as tramping through the death woods looking for stuff that I agree is probably in the water.

By the way georger mentioned ESP and just got me thinking.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

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I think Puthof's ESP work at Stanford has been thoroughly discredited, but that's just my skeptical self talking.

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Hmm, 377, I have never heard that before.

Rather, the information I have received from multiple credible sources is that Hal Puthoff was recruited by the CIA out of Stanford to form their remote viewing squadron, which included Ingo Swann. Puthoff led this outfit for 12 years. Supporting documentation is widely available in the literature.

This effort in turn led to the Army's RV unit known as Stargate. From that unit has come a remarkable body of work describing it. RV'ers who are now writing books about their RV experiences are Lynn Buchanan, (The Seventh Sense), Joe McMoneagle (Mind Trek) and David Morehouse (Psychic Warrior).

Stargate was disbanded, supposedly, by Bill Clinton in the mid-1990s, but is generally believed to have simply gone deep black.

Nevertheless, the story of their work has been integrated into the recent movie, titled, "Men Who Stare at Goats," which used as a plot line the parallel effort by the Army to form well-rounded psychic warriors as part of its Earth First Battalion.

The EFB reportedly specialized in self-healing, especially of battlefield wounds, and killing or disabling enemy soldiers through psychic means, hence the title: "Men Who Stare at Goats." They also worked on moving through time and space via teleportation and bi-location techniques, and were particularly interested in learning how to move though solid objects.

In the early 1980s, Chief of Army Intel, General Albert Stubblebine reportedly made some very dramatic attempts to run through his office walls in the Pentagon. They were unsuccessful, apparently.

The General spoke at the Ramtha School last weekend, but I was unable to attend his presentation.

Lastly, my observation is that the prevailing term in the study of the science of consciousness is "Mind as Matter," not mind over matter, as had been customary for decades. It is certainly how Ramtha describes the relationship, and I think the change reflects the broader understandings of how physical reality is formed.

As for why nobody has plucked the $1 mill from James Randi's pockets, I don't have a clue.

As for me, I've had seasons where I focused intensely on winning the lottery. When I'm on, I've gotten four out of six numbers a few times, three a bunch, and two number with some regularity. But never the whole enchilada.

Then, after a while, something comes along that captures my passion, like DB Cooper.

And here I am.

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Thanks Bruce for the serious reply. I have acquired an interest in theoretical and quantum physics in my old age. I am definitely a layman in that field but enjoy the reading I do.
I'm in the process of reading your papers, very interesting, thanks.

I've had a couple of very interesting ESP experiences, one a 3,000 mile spontaneous communication where I immediately made a phone call and it was confirmed to the shock of both myself and the other party. Kind of freaky.

The RV interest came from me being fairly immobile after back surgery and spent time on the internet looking into unexplainable events leading me to RV. I have never tried RV but have read the protocols.

HERE is a link to some work on spinning superconductors creating a measurable gravity field in the lab if you haven't already seen this.

Doing some work with RV on the Cooper case can't be as hard as tramping through the death woods looking for stuff that I agree is probably in the water.

By the way georger mentioned ESP and just got me thinking.

Thanks for the link, HD, on high-speed rotating superconductors. It is excellent.

Boy, I sure am glad Georger mentioned ESP a few pages back. I'm really enjoying this conversation.

As for RV being hard work, I am finding that it is, actually. I had a bout of nausea this morning that made me suspend my RV process. This wasn't the first time, either.

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Bruce, while you are doing remote viewing and time travel to solve aviation mysteries, please drop in on that Air France jet that came apart over the Atlantic outbound from Brazil. They never found the FDRs and although much wreckage was recovered, the root cause is still not known with certainty. They may have just flown into severely turbulent weather and it came undone.

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Sluggo
is the only real Gort around here!

High praise indeed. We mortals can only aspire to Gortdom.

Had a good email chat with Galen Cook. Nothing new, but he is seriously pursuing some leads and has the legal skills needed to open some doors. These things move slowly hence the delay in publishing his book.

As before, he thinks he has the right suspect, Gossett, but is still open minded. He is no nut case, far far from it in my opinion.

Jo keeps promising to blow the lid off the case. Is it just another tease? Probably, but hope springs eternal.

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I also have enjoyed discussing a few
things with Galen, over at Sluggo's site. Galen has
a good handle on the winds situation 11/24/71 -
Im impressed with Galen..

Jo who?

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As a kid in Sacramento, I remember seeing the huge black smoke cloud rising up after the Farrels crash. Turns out a few of the kids that died were from my sister's jr. HS class. The plane rotated but didn't clear an embankment at the end of the rwy. IIRC, the pilot lived.

EDIT: Just read your post 377. Nice detals. The whole thing was pretty freaky because it was the closest I, my sister, and most of our friends had been to other kids who died.

Strikes home when your mates on the right a left dissappear. There on Monday. Gone on Tuesday.

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Thanks Bruce for the serious reply. I have acquired an interest in theoretical and quantum physics in my old age. I am definitely a layman in that field but enjoy the reading I do.
I'm in the process of reading your papers, very interesting, thanks.

I've had a couple of very interesting ESP experiences, one a 3,000 mile spontaneous communication where I immediately made a phone call and it was confirmed to the shock of both myself and the other party. Kind of freaky.

The RV interest came from me being fairly immobile after back surgery and spent time on the internet looking into unexplainable events leading me to RV. I have never tried RV but have read the protocols.

HERE is a link to some work on spinning superconductors creating a measurable gravity field in the lab if you haven't already seen this.

Doing some work with RV on the Cooper case can't be as hard as tramping through the death woods looking for stuff that I agree is probably in the water.

By the way georger mentioned ESP and just got me thinking.

HERE is one of the best investments you can ever
make:

http://www.amazon.com/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0809058405

http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/

http://www.complete-review.com/reviews/maths/paulosja.htm

I happen to know John was asked to get involved
in the Cooper case. John declined, respectfully.

Good luck with your studies -

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I think Puthof's ESP work at Stanford has been thoroughly discredited, but that's just my skeptical self talking.

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Hmm, 377, I have never heard that before.

Rather, the information I have received from multiple credible sources is that Hal Puthoff was recruited by the CIA out of Stanford to form their remote viewing squadron, which included Ingo Swann. Puthoff led this outfit for 12 years. Supporting documentation is widely available in the literature.

This effort in turn led to the Army's RV unit known as Stargate. From that unit has come a remarkable body of work describing it. RV'ers who are now writing books about their RV experiences are Lynn Buchanan, (The Seventh Sense), Joe McMoneagle (Mind Trek) and David Morehouse (Psychic Warrior).

Stargate was disbanded, supposedly, by Bill Clinton in the mid-1990s, but is generally believed to have simply gone deep black.

Nevertheless, the story of their work has been integrated into the recent movie, titled, "Men Who Stare at Goats," which used as a plot line the parallel effort by the Army to form well-rounded psychic warriors as part of its Earth First Battalion.

The EFB reportedly specialized in self-healing, especially of battlefield wounds, and killing or disabling enemy soldiers through psychic means, hence the title: "Men Who Stare at Goats." They also worked on moving through time and space via teleportation and bi-location techniques, and were particularly interested in learning how to move though solid objects.

In the early 1980s, Chief of Army Intel, General Albert Stubblebine reportedly made some very dramatic attempts to run through his office walls in the Pentagon. They were unsuccessful, apparently.

The General spoke at the Ramtha School last weekend, but I was unable to attend his presentation.

Lastly, my observation is that the prevailing term in the study of the science of consciousness is "Mind as Matter," not mind over matter, as had been customary for decades. It is certainly how Ramtha describes the relationship, and I think the change reflects the broader understandings of how physical reality is formed.

As for why nobody has plucked the $1 mill from James Randi's pockets, I don't have a clue.

As for me, I've had seasons where I focused intensely on winning the lottery. When I'm on, I've gotten four out of six numbers a few times, three a bunch, and two number with some regularity. But never the whole enchilada.

Then, after a while, something comes along that captures my passion, like DB Cooper.

And here I am.

You need to look at this.

http://www.math.rochester.edu/about/newsletters/spring98/bees.html

I know this will keep you up nights. That is why Im
giving you this. Knowledge is like acid.

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As a kid in Sacramento, I remember seeing the huge black smoke cloud rising up after the Farrels crash. Turns out a few of the kids that died were from my sister's jr. HS class. The plane rotated but didn't clear an embankment at the end of the rwy. IIRC, the pilot lived.

EDIT: Just read your post 377. Nice detals. The whole thing was pretty freaky because it was the closest I, my sister, and most of our friends had been to other kids who died.

Strikes home when your mates on the right a left dissappear. There on Monday. Gone on Tuesday.

Yeah. I didn't know any of the kids, but my sister did. It was my closest exposure to mortality at the time. I'll never forget the smoke column.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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In the early 1980s, Chief of Army Intel, General Albert Stubblebine reportedly made some very dramatic attempts to run through his office walls in the Pentagon. They were unsuccessful, apparently.

Bless you Bruce. That is priceless.

You really should read G's reference. It should make it clear that those lottery near misses were unremarkable and no better than random. On second thought maybe it won't convince you.

I wish ESP and all that paranormal stuff really worked. My EE training, especially all the physics courses, has robbed me of the ability to believe in miracles of this genre.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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You need to look at this.

http://www.math.rochester.edu/about/newsletters/spring98/bees.html

I know this will keep you up nights. That is why Im
giving you this. Knowledge is like acid.

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In the early 1980s, Chief of Army Intel, General Albert Stubblebine reportedly made some very dramatic attempts to run through his office walls in the Pentagon. They were unsuccessful, apparently.

Bless you Bruce. That is priceless.

You really should read G's reference. It should make it clear that those lottery near misses were unremarkable and no better than random. On second thought maybe it won't convince you.

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Even a smattering of understanding about probability theory goes a long way to helping understand things like that. But I'm sure this is why many people keep buying the tickets - because they "almost had it". (I'm not trying to sound elitist or arrogant ...as a certain erstwhile poster was wont to do ... i think most people are capable of stats 1??)

My favourite statistical parlour game (nerd huh) is getting non-stats trained people to guess how many people you need in a room before you can be almost certain of two having their birthdays on the same day

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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imagine if DB Cooper had a field-effect enhanced canopy

I had genuine field effect transistors (FETs) in some radio gear I carried while skydiving.

Nothing unusual happend. Maybe I need to crank up the voltage.

How would one construct a field effect canopy Bruce? If you can reduce gravity why not omit canopies and just land your wingsuit. Forget planes too, just beam yourself up. No more wasting fuel for fun Orange.

I remain unconvinced that bees' dancing behavior is quantum coupled to anything, but you have to give the author credit for thinking outside of the box... or hive.

The Randi Prize for demonstrating paranormal phenomena remains unclaimed. Bruce, round up some of the better psychokinesis guys and form a syndicate. Win the prize and share the million bucks.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

I will continue to depend on gravity and plan for its consequences while jumping.

I just wish there was a way to speed up my radio signals so that I can beat nearby stations replying to DX stations during pileups. This "C" speed limit is damned frustrating. Microseconds matter.

Cooper's rig is out there somewhere, dont forget it.
So is Amelia E's Lockheed.

Where is Jerry? Hope he is OK.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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It demonstrates that a superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. Depending on further confirmation, this effect could form the basis for a new technological domain, which would have numerous applications in space and other high-tech sectors" says de Matos.

Just wish it were more powerful. An adjustable superonducting gyro in the back pack could get you up to jump altitude, let you freefall and slow you down for a landing. I don't like carrying liquid helium, but I dont like paying $22 for a plane ride either.

A Cooper question: Has the so called Cooper tie DNA been compared to DNA that the FBI has on file for other people? I hear there is a huge DNA database.

Perhaps it isnt complete enough to ID a suspect but can be used to rule out a waanabe.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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It demonstrates that a superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. Depending on further confirmation, this effect could form the basis for a new technological domain, which would have numerous applications in space and other high-tech sectors" says de Matos.

Just wish it were more powerful. An adjustable superonducting gyro in the back pack could get you up to jump altitude, let you freefall and slow you down for a landing. I don't like carrying liquid helium, but I dont like paying $22 for a plane ride either.

A Cooper question: Has the so called Cooper tie DNA been compared to DNA that the FBI has on file for other people? I hear there is a huge DNA database.

Perhaps it isnt complete enough to ID a suspect but can be used to rule out a waanabe.

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With the near complete collapse of science in
American mainstream life is it any wonder the
Indiana Legislature voted to have pi = 3.0

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With the near complete collapse of science in
American mainstream life is it any wonder the
Indiana Legislature voted to have pi = 3.0

Isnt there a TINY chance that they are right at least sometime? Am I understanding statistics correctly in that nothing representing a physical property or ratio is really a constant?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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A Cooper question: Has the so called Cooper tie DNA been compared

to DNA that the FBI has on file for other people? I hear there is a huge DNA database.

Perhaps it isnt complete enough to ID a suspect but can be used to rule out a waanabe.

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In the early 1980s, Chief of Army Intel, General Albert Stubblebine reportedly made some very dramatic attempts to run through his office walls in the Pentagon. They were unsuccessful, apparently.

Bless you Bruce. That is priceless.

You really should read G's reference. It should make it clear that those lottery near misses were unremarkable and no better than random. On second thought maybe it won't convince you.

377

Even a smattering of understanding about probability theory goes a long way to helping understand things like that. But I'm sure this is why many people keep buying the tickets - because they "almost had it". (I'm not trying to sound elitist or arrogant ...as a certain erstwhile poster was wont to do ... i think most people are capable of stats 1??)

My favourite statistical parlour game (nerd huh) is getting non-stats trained people to guess how many people you need in a room before you can be almost certain of two having their birthdays on the same day

I think it's about 30. I remember doing the problem in a college math class. Or was it 13? It was a straight-forward formula, but conplex, as I recall.

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imagine if DB Cooper had a field-effect enhanced canopy

I had genuine field effect transistors (FETs) in some radio gear I carried while skydiving.

Nothing unusual happend. Maybe I need to crank up the voltage.

How would one construct a field effect canopy Bruce? If you can reduce gravity why not omit canopies and just land your wingsuit. Forget planes too, just beam yourself up. No more wasting fuel for fun Orange.

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Tsk, tsk, 377, I don't think you read my articles on field-effect propulsion systems. I'll send them PM to save you the effort of hunting them up a couple pages back.

In the interim, the most simple field-effect to install on a canopy would be to use a material that could hold a charge and turn the canopy into a capacitor. With a portable generating device, it could create an electro-static field that could repel the air molecules around the canopy, thus countering the effects of gravity.

It is widely thought in the avionic inductry that the B-2 bomber uses a similar system to assist its conventional jet engines. My friends in near-by Boeing World say the specs on the B-2, ie: bomb loads, wing spans, and distances it flies, require a secondary propulsion system.

Also, these folks say that Air Force One is similarly equiped with a supplemental propulsion system. They told me that when Dubya flew out of Seattle a few ago from Boeing Field, AF-1 was nearly silent on take-off. It was so quiet that I even heard comment made about it on the radio, if I recall correctly.

Beyond that, we get into some pretty esoteric systems, such as outfitting a canopy with a high-speed, rotating superconductor to block gravity, or using what I think is happening with bees and other flying insects, a device that can generate counter-rotating torision fields, much like two miniature tornados counter-rotating around themselves.

Nick Cook, the author of "The Hunt for Zero Point - Inside the Classified World of Antigraivty Technology," has the most complete description of this kind of technology in the general literature. Cook is also the aviation editor of Jane's Defence Weekly, so he has some pretty good cred.

That said, my preferred system would be to manipulate the quantum field as Georger's article a few pages back describes for Bee Dancing, or as I would describe it, mastering the quantum moment and using techniques based upon the Observer Effect to visualize and establish an anti-gravitic flight.

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I will take you guys up on that parachute jump, even though Snowwman is banished from the forum, so I might have to go as the only newbie. Kinda put my money where my mouth is, so to speak, or rather, put James Randi's money next to what my fingers are typing....

...I could use that $1 mill, too.

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I think it's about 30. I remember doing the problem in a college math class. Or was it 13? It was a straight-forward formula, but conplex, as I recall.

near certainty (probability above 99%) is 57, but more than 23 will give you a better than 50% chance - that may be what you are thinking of.
i discover it now even has its own wiki page...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem

georger must despair even more at the mathematical illiteracy of the masses, when it is all available to them over the internet!!!

btw - did you guys know that there is a page on the MIT website that allows anyone to download lecture notes and sometimes videos of lectures, for free? I think that is really cool. I guess there are probably other top schools that do that too.
edit: here is the MIT page http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm list of faculties down the left, i have only looked at the finance type stuff so far so cannot vouch for what is on the others

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Tsk, tsk, 377, I don't think you read my articles on field-effect propulsion systems. I'll send them PM to save you the effort of hunting them up a couple pages back.

I was joking about expecting FETs to counteract gravity Bruce. I did read your paper and thought it was a very well written survey of current and theoretical technology. I just don't think any of it has a realistic chance of serving as a practical substitute for winged flight with payloads such as humans.

I have seen small tethered electrostatic field devices actually fly, but they couldn't even lift their own power source which was connected to it by the tether cable.

I can tell you with certainty that the 747 known as AF 1 (which incidently is actually a call sign for an aircraft carrying the pres. and doesn't denote a particular airframe) does NOT have any propulsion system besides the 4 turbofan engines.

The plane is loaded with exotic comm and even some ECM gear, is air refuelable, and is not as good a target for heat seeking missiles as a stock 747, but it is basically just a 747 as far as propulsion goes.

I actually worked with electric thrusters for spacecraft, but they just used electric fields to accelerate xenon gas molecules which were ejected at high speed. When you ran out of xenon game over.

A practical electrostatic parachute would look more like a two layer screen as you'd need to accelerate air through a high DC voltage mesh and downward to create lift. The weight of the power source makes it impractical using current technology. The assymetrical capacitor experimental results show forces that if they even exist are way too small for parachute use. Ionic propulsion works, its just power hungry and power means weight in the context of parachuting.

I have heard AF 1 take off several times from Moffet Field in CA. It didn't sound much different from any other 747 of that vintage. It's an old bird. They spent so much time customizing it that when it first flew as AF 1 it had been eclipsed by the much better 400 series of 747s.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I will take you guys up on that parachute jump, even though Snowwman is banished from the forum, so I might have to go as the only newbie. Kinda put my money where my mouth is, so to speak, or rather, put James Randi's money next to what my fingers are typing....

Bruce, read Randi's webpage cited in my earlier post. The conditions for winning the million dollar prize are rigourous, but fair. If you know anyone who can demonstrate paranormal effects under those conditions then go for it. You can be their manager and take a percentage.

We'd all love to have you take up jumping Bruce. Just promise me you will use regular gear until this anti-gravity stuff gets completely perfected.

The Maharishi's 4 way team has yet to perform in a levitating hover. Can you imagine how many points you could turn if you could levitate or even slow down freewfall to say 30 mph???

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Can you imagine how many points you could turn if you could levitate or even slow down freewfall to say 30 mph???

Not a lot. At that speed there isn't a lot of air to push against.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Can you imagine how many points you could turn if you could levitate or even slow down freewfall to say 30 mph???

Not a lot. At that speed there isn't a lot of air to push against.

Not even a TINY bit?

Remember, we are in the land of Field Effects and
the Indiana & So. Dakota Moral Legislature - an
exercise in Levitation itself. All being financed by
Wells Fargo-Americas Servicing and the Obama
Obfuscation who want a solid landing in their favor,
and to hell with everything else.

The central issue is: who gets to land safely.

Field Effects only work in an Inflationary Universe.

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Can you imagine how many points you could turn if you could levitate or even slow down freewfall to say 30 mph???

Not a lot. At that speed there isn't a lot of air to push against.

Good point Quade. My bad for not considering reduced airflow at low fall rates. Hmmm...maybe these levitators could vector their mysterious force sideways to turn points?

Cooper and his rig do seem to have disappeared. When they are found it will likely be in another dimension full of single socks, threaded nuts, tiny screws and other things that I SWEAR have truly disappeared.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.