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I too doubt that the Cooper 727 had GPWS in 71, but I'll defer to others with more knowledge.
I still get a kick out of that USAF Herc (C 130) driver who DID manage a chase and visual intercept on Cooper's 727 when two hot shot F 106 jocks out of McChord AFB aided by the most advanced intercept system know to man, (SAGE and the F 106's onboard MA-1 system) couldn't do it. I wonder if they stencilled a 727 silouette under the Herk's cockpit window?
The oft repeated story that the F 106s couldnt fly slow enough to stay on the 727 is BS from what I read in the Dash 1 operating specs for the F 106. It could easily fly at 727 speeds being flown that night.
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I still get a kick out of that USAF Herc (C 130) driver who DID manage a chase and visual intercept on Cooper's 727 when two hot shot F 106 jocks out of McChord AFB aided by the most advanced intercept system know to man, (SAGE and the F 106's onboard MA-1 system) couldn't do it. I wonder if they stencilled a 727 silouette under the Herk's cockpit window?
The oft repeated story that the F 106s couldnt fly slow enough to stay on the 727 is BS from what I read in the Dash 1 operating specs for the F 106. It could easily fly at 727 speeds being flown that night.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteQuoteI think it is highly likely and just plain logical to assume that Cooper KNEW a 727 could be jumped. Sure, it's a guess, but it has logic to it.
It's far more likely he just knew the door could open. Most people did since that wasn't an uncommon way for people to enter and exit the aircraft. It was fairly common knowledge.
If Cooper was a whuffo, then that's really all he needed to know in order to ask for parachutes. Since he didn't seem to know jack shit about parachutes, there's no reason to assume any special knowledge of anything else either. Hell, how many times have we heard skydiver ask if such and such a plane was possible to jump from? As long as it has a door of any type, most people are going to assume some type of exit can be made and unless it's right over a prop or in front of an engine, they're probably right.
In other words, assuming special knowledge of the plane as a jump platform is a blind ally as far as finding him.
Logically . . . of course.
I agree with this viewpoint. In addition Cooper
demonstrated he needed help getting the door
open - asking a stew to do it no less!. (This
assumes she would know or had done it before?.)
The only caveat is he asked "no cabin pressure".
That may imply what?
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Someday Norjack will be solved and we will know Cooper's identity with certainty. Amelia's plane will also be found. I just hope they happen in my lifetime.
Quade, if YOU were given a million dollar investigative budget and hired as sort of a special prosecutor to re-open the Cooper case, what would you do? What would you look at?
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TO ALL:
I do thank those of you who defend my position on certain things - for that I am GRATEFUL.
recent contacts I have had with various individuals and what is being done on my behalf to find resolutions regarding my claims. I remain optomistic in the light of these recent happenings and some future happenings that have been scheduled...none of it has been negative so far.
What I do not have at this time is the physical stamina to do what all needs to be done...and pray for the strength I need to see me thru the next few months. This has been a long and hard journey to find the truth. The ending is in the hands of GOD - and the abilities and compassion of those who are assisting me in this quest.
AS for Jerry Thomas: He is entitled to his opinions, but needs to refrain from his accusations. Opinions are one thing - blatant accusations regarding another individual are rude to say the least. He will not be remembered very kindly when all of this is over....and it will soon be over - at least for me.
My goal is to know the truth about Duane Weber - not to prove who D.B. Cooper was. Even when everything is exposed about Weber - the search for Cooper will never end as there will always be those who will or cannot accept that the search is over.
The Hijacking of a 727 on November 24, 1971 has left many victims in its wake and changed the course of their lives. I am, but one of those victims. There are the book writers and opportunists, most of which I feel sorry for because they wanted nothing more than to be the person who solve this old crime. This Unsolved Hijacking continues to leave victims in its wake...and it is time to end it.
The ending is
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and more.
Each individual will have his own emotions and with some this will be disbelief - creating more questions and more stories. The mystery of Dan Cooper will live on even when his identity is revealed.
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QuoteThe only caveat is he asked "no cabin pressure".
That may imply what?
That would keep the plane below about 10,000 ft to assure sufficient breathing oxygen in ambient air. The pilots had supp O2 they could use but the stews didnt (at least not without taking a tank and mask down from an overhead) and they could be injured by high flight without pressurization or at the least lose consciousness.
The unpressurized order limited altitude and the gear down order limited speed. That says smart to me not dumb. That says he had some aviation knowledge.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteQuoteHell, not even the 727 pilots or FE knew the airstairs would open enough for jumping and had no idea what the effects on aircraft pitch or control would be. They had to contact Boeing through NWA dispatch in Minneapolis to get answers.
Again, assume Cooper is a whuffo. Does he care? No. In his mind he's leaving the aircraft.QuoteQuade, if YOU were given a million dollar investigative budget and hired as sort of a special prosecutor to re-open the Cooper case, what would you do? What would you look at?
If I was given a MILLION dollars to solve a crime involving $200,000?
The first thing I'd do is take the money and head for the border.
Now that is funny!
You obviously dont understand rich guys with their
yatchs, cars, horses, beachfront houses, and and girlfriends, and jump uniforms.
The money is not an issue. In any event. Only
a poor guy would say that.
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QuoteAre You that Special Prosecutor?
Nahh, I couldnt prosecute him, but I'd defend him pro bono in a heartbeat.
Actually I'd rather be on the jury.
Thats a good idea for a book or even a movie, The Trial of DB Cooper. You could weave in all the spooky SE Asia stuff and with computer graphics the jump itself could be done really cheap and very convincingly.
Everyone went nuts over The Hurt Locker, except me. I thought it was a good but not exceptional movie. Anyone agree?
Maybe Old Hollywood feels a bit threatened by Avatar. No more real actors are needed. You dont have to pay huge fees and residuals to virtual "actors" who do not exist in real life. No superstar butts need be kissed, no temper tantrums tolerated, and the casting couch won't decide who gets the role any more.
Oh, and District Nine at least got nominated for an Oscar. It deserved to win one in my opinion. Great SFX, and actually superb acting by the leading man.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteYou obviously dont understand rich guys with their
yatchs, cars, horses, beachfront houses, and and girlfriends, and jump uniforms.
Georger,
I have a car, a jumpsuit and a girlfriend. No horse, no beachfront house, no yacht. Do I need to change my priorities?
Most skydivers are folks of modest means. Who else would drive an extra 50 miles for jumps that are two dollars cheaper than the local DZ?
I only met one really rich guy with a jumpsuit. He came to WFFC with his own million dollar Twin Otter jumpship. I was dining next to him at an outdoor BBQ dinner at WFFC and overheard people gushing about how much money they had made investing with him.
He later was indicted, convicted and imprisoned on securities law violations. It was all a scam. He must have had other investors besides jumpers. You could loot every jumper in the country and probably never get enough for a Gulfstream V or a megayacht like Stanford had.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Negative!
You mis-understood me.
I was pushed for time and was over-brief.
I'll explain later.
Carry on
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You mis-understood me.
I was pushed for time and was over-brief.
I'll explain later.
Carry on
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377,
I believe he knew the plane had to be depressurized to open the stairs. I also think the level off at 7,000 feet betrayed some misunderstanding about the stairs operation. Unless it was in fact the bulkhead door Cooper was having troubles with.
Makes for an additional contradiction. Cooper was told the stairs could not be down for take off. The aft (bulkhead) door most certainly could have been open for those operations. What door was Cooper and Boeing and Northwest dithering over? The bulkhead door or the air stairs door or both?
From my hazy recall, at 10,000 feet cabin altitude and night operations may have required the crew to mask up. Not sure though.
I believe he knew the plane had to be depressurized to open the stairs. I also think the level off at 7,000 feet betrayed some misunderstanding about the stairs operation. Unless it was in fact the bulkhead door Cooper was having troubles with.
Makes for an additional contradiction. Cooper was told the stairs could not be down for take off. The aft (bulkhead) door most certainly could have been open for those operations. What door was Cooper and Boeing and Northwest dithering over? The bulkhead door or the air stairs door or both?
From my hazy recall, at 10,000 feet cabin altitude and night operations may have required the crew to mask up. Not sure though.
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Quotedidn't like S/L jumps, too low for my taste. I dont like to be able to tell a Ford from a Chevy at exit altitude. Somehow its different opening at 2500 ft after a long FF than exiting at 2500 ft with an S/L.
Most of my static line jumps were from 1200' although a couple of the night jumps were from 700'.. I am SOOOOO glad I couldnot see the ground on those.
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I hear the French drop paratroopers from 400 ft.
Fortunately I never had to jump lower than 2500. I didnt like that and I sure dont like 1200 or 700. I call those kinds of jumps a mil spec low pull contest.
I watched some insanely low cutaways from SKYHOOK RSL systems at a demo once. I swear they couldn't have been higher than 300 ft. I literally felt sick watching them. That SKYHOOK gave them fully opened reserves so quickly I couldnt believe it.
Did Cooper even open? How high? The fact that a chute was never found makes me think he might have gone in as a no pull. They found money, they found a door placard, but no body and not a trace of the harness, container or canopy which are large sized objects relative to the items that were found.
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Fortunately I never had to jump lower than 2500. I didnt like that and I sure dont like 1200 or 700. I call those kinds of jumps a mil spec low pull contest.
I watched some insanely low cutaways from SKYHOOK RSL systems at a demo once. I swear they couldn't have been higher than 300 ft. I literally felt sick watching them. That SKYHOOK gave them fully opened reserves so quickly I couldnt believe it.
Did Cooper even open? How high? The fact that a chute was never found makes me think he might have gone in as a no pull. They found money, they found a door placard, but no body and not a trace of the harness, container or canopy which are large sized objects relative to the items that were found.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteI hear the French drop paratroopers from 400 ft.
Fortunately I never had to jump lower than 2500. I didnt like that and I sure dont like 1200 or 700. I call those kinds of jumps a mil spec low pull contest.
I watched some insanely low cutaways from SKYHOOK RSL systems at a demo once. I swear they couldn't have been higher than 300 ft. I litertally felt sick watching them. That SKYHOOK gave them fully opened reserves so quickly I couldnt believe it.
Did Cooper even open? How high? The fact that a chute was never found makes me think he might have gone in as a no pull. They found money, they found a door placard, but no body and not a trace of the harness, container or canopy.
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I think if he went in.. he would have been found the next spring or summer. Dead people stink and draw critters that get them noticed.
If he landed and buried the canopy someday it will be found because I dont think that stuff will rot away anytime soon if its underground out of direct sunlight.
Amazon. I thought you were familiar with that area.It is obvious you are not. Yes the dead stinks. If your close to them.However How can you explain.The discovery of many corpses in that area 3yrs later close to a road or how can you explain the discovery of a pilots remains 50 yrs later, In that same area. Critters move bones around but not far. Your theory is without merrit. One last thought The green river killer had many bodies stashed in the wood's uncovered.They were found in tact.Go figure.Jerry
Amazon. What year was your first static line jump. Where were you trained. Was it Benning or Bragg.Jerry
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QuoteAmazon. I thought you were familiar with that area.It is obvious you are not. Yes the dead stinks. If your close to them.However How can you explain.The discovery of many corpses in that area 3yrs later close to a road or how can you explain the discovery of a pilots remains 50 yrs later, In that same area. Critters move bones around but not far. Your theory is without merrit. One last thought The green river killer had many bodies stashed in the wood's uncovered.They were found in tact.Go figure.Jerry
You and I both know that there are a hell of a lot of people all over those woods under the flight path... and its all year long with timber cruisers..loggers hikers hunters nature freaks....face it.. contrary to your dreams of glory.. he aint there.
No too sure what you are talking about, so I will travel the rarefied path of asking some probative questions.
The bulkhead door is in fact part of the pressure vessel with a big ass 'refrigerator' handle to open the thing. If Cooper was having problems with this door I am in fact confused. Was it the bulkhead door Cooper could not open? If so let me apologize for assuming he was having troubles with the stair door release. I cant imagine the air stairs not being able to operate under positive pressure, is that a true statement?
The second 'hint' about the GPWS is more vexing. First, Bitching Betty went off on every flight I can recall and was a quick button push away from over ride. Second, was there a GPWS on Cooper's plane? That would have been one of the first systems ever produced. If Cooper was some how using the GPWS he most certainly knew more about this flight then I'm giving credit for. Bad Farflung, Bad...Bad. I've simply never seen a reference to it before since they were not required equipment till the mid 70's. Again, my sincerest apologies for making such a claim.
So airstairs are inoperative in a positive pressure environment, is that what you are asserting?
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