hangdiver 1 #16901 March 11, 2010 Sluggo, I've already said I read this thread for entertainment and that is the funniest shit I've read in a while! "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16902 March 11, 2010 Quote Oh dear 377, and you still await stuff? Come on, show us you are rational... that you learn from past experience ... please I actually am rational and skeptical, dont believe in the paranormal, alien kidnappings and and so forth. I think the $1,000,000 Randi prize will NEVER be claimed because people who think they have paranormal abilities are simply incorrect if not delusional. Follow the money, if anyone could predict the future they would be super rich very quickly. Randi's prize is a pittance compared to what they could make trading options. I must have some brain miswire though, cause I really like Coast to Coast AM, UFO stuff and Duane=Cooper stories. I think it is a fascination about the psychological processes that cause people to believe in things that aren't really there, THAT is what interests me, not the substance of underlying fringe claims. Have I learned from experience about Jo? Absolutely not. Bring it on, can't wait to see Duane's jump records.3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16903 March 11, 2010 QuoteSluggo, I've already said I read this thread for entertainment and that is the funniest shit I've read in a while! I agree. That was really funny Sluggo. I think you could wriote a Jo-macro that could do her posting for her just inputting a few key words and applying them to the post she is reponding to. What cracks me up is the drama and mystery: "I've already said way too much" "they won't let me reveal more" "my people have found---" etc. It's straight out of a B spy movie. If this forum is entertainment, Jo has to be recognized as one of the major contributors. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16904 March 11, 2010 QuoteI said there was a picture of 3 guys who volunteered for a program as smoke jumpers for the forestry thru the prison ... Jo, no backtracking now, you said that they were depicted in smoke jumper gear. Prisons dont have jump gear, so IF you are correct they must have been inmate smoke jumpers. You said the caption was in line with this. I say there never were any inmate smoke jumpers. All you have is a memory and a "poofed" news photo. I have done a lot of web searching and correspondance with former smoke jumpers. It's not like smoke jumping has murky records. They documented their history quite thoroughly. Nowhere in that well documented history is there a single mention of inmate smoke jumpers. Not one smoke jumper I contacted had any knowledge of such a program. It makes ZERO sense that such a program would even be contemplated let alone put into action, yet you continue to believe that it was. Prisoners often fought wildfires on the ground, but they didnt parachute in to do it. Why all the drama about "saying too much?" What will happen to you if you say too much and who will do it? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #16905 March 11, 2010 I had to come back and quickly edit out some of the above - Sorry...even at this I have said WAY too much and there is MUCH more. What a load of crap. Oh dear 377, and you still await stuff? Come on, show us you are rational... that you learn from past experience ... please Jo is the only one sane here. Its the rest who are nuts. Jo is sitting back laughing her ass off . Jo got what she wanted: attention. Its all manipulation. Anyone who doesnt see that is worse off than Jo! Right Jerry? Nothing I say is going to matter in any event and Jo knows that too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16906 March 11, 2010 Georger says: Quote 377 is a great assistor [for Jo] as he has always been . . . If I confess to being a "Jo co-" can I go to some posh rehab, maybe one where Hollywood starlets go? Maybe I can work this out on Jerry Springer and save some bucks that are better spent on lift tickets. Georger, this is entertainment. Without an audience how can you have a show? Oops, I think I just made Georger's point. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16907 March 11, 2010 QuoteWhy all the drama about "saying too much?" What will happen to you if you say too much and who will do it? Really Jo, do tell us. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #16908 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy all the drama about "saying too much?" What will happen to you if you say too much and who will do it? Really Jo, do tell us. 377 Jo will never tell. If you think thats entertaining then you must be the most bored person on the planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #16909 March 11, 2010 Quote Jo, no backtracking now, you said that they were depicted in smoke jumper gear. Prisons dont have jump gear, so IF you are correct they must have been inmate smoke jumpers. You said the caption was in line with this. Right, the picture did show what I believe to be chutes - but it did state volunteers for a new program - perhaps the program got ditched - but that one photo was on a site similar to DZ. The photo mentioned either San Quentin or Folsom..I found this the same time I found the program about the Nickels. This was early 2000 just a couple of months after I bought a computer - didn't really know what I was doing - maybe I conjured up some ghosts with my stupidity...? I know I searched key words - Forestry, smoke jumpers, WW11 jumpers, prisons, Folsom, San Quentin, CA, OR. WA, ID, NV. Firefighters - that was my original focus. I know I didn't imagine it and I know that picture exists out there some place - in some file. Lots of things are put on the computer and removed I know this was a site related to the above items. Believe me - I periodically do a search myself - hoping it will POP back up - and since this occurred around the time the FBI lied to me - who knows what happened to the pic (especially if it had any bearing on my speculations at that time). Jo won't be around for a couple of days - and I expect some of you might get wind of what is blowing around in WA right now or at least by Monday. There are a lot of things going on that NO one suspects or has any knowledge of at this time. Maybe when all is said and done WE will be no closer to solving this than anyone else - but since the co-operation of individuals far beyond the scope of this forum and beyond the scope of any Cooper investigation to have been done in the past, we are at least hopeful some truths never known before will be revealed to the public. As scary as this is to me - I have gone where NO one has dared to go before - because I know who Dan Cooper was...and I have absolutely nothing to loose and if there is any gain outside of the truth - I am NOT the one who will benefit. Hopefully the expenses and time of myself and the others will be off set, but the only objective is the TRUTH. This old crime has altered too many lives - because of secrets. It is time to change that.....it is time for the truth...and time for the secrets to be put aside. Face it - when the truth is known, there will be those who refuse to believe - because the legend is so deeply ingrained and "Others" do NOT want the truth to ever be know...and will refute it. How many books are there out there about Kennedy, The Mafia,The Bay of Pigs, the Assassination of two Kennedys - the stories just keep going on and on....the ERA of secrets. 1956 - 1976.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #16910 March 11, 2010 Quote Quote Jo, no backtracking now, you said that they were depicted in smoke jumper gear. Prisons dont have jump gear, so IF you are correct they must have been inmate smoke jumpers. You said the caption was in line with this. Right, the picture did show what I believe to be chutes - but it did state volunteers for a new program - perhaps the program got ditched - but that one photo was on a site similar to DZ. The photo mentioned either San Quentin or Folsom..I found this the same time I found the program about the Nickels. This was early 2000 just a couple of months after I bought a computer - didn't really know what I was doing - maybe I conjured up some ghosts with my stupidity...? I know I searched key words - Forestry, smoke jumpers, WW11 jumpers, prisons, Folsom, San Quentin, CA, OR. WA, ID, NV. Firefighters - that was my original focus. I know I didn't imagine it and I know that picture exists out there some place - in some file. Lots of things are put on the computer and removed I know this was a site related to the above items. Believe me - I periodically do a search myself - hoping it will POP back up - and since this occurred around the time the FBI lied to me - who knows what happened to the pic (especially if it had any bearing on my speculations at that time). Jo won't be around for a couple of days - and I expect some of you might get wind of what is blowing around in WA right now or at least by Monday. There are a lot of things going on that NO one suspects or has any knowledge of at this time. Maybe when all is said and done WE will be no closer to solving this than anyone else - but since the co-operation of individuals far beyond the scope of this forum and beyond the scope of any Cooper investigation to have been done in the past, we are at least hopeful some truths never known before will be revealed to the public. As scary as this is to me - I have gone where NO one has dared to go before - because I know who Dan Cooper was...and I have absolutely nothing to loose and if there is any gain outside of the truth - I am NOT the one who will benefit. Hopefully the expenses and time of myself and the others will be off set, but the only objective is the TRUTH. This old crime has altered too many lives - because of secrets. It is time to change that.....it is time for the truth...and time for the secrets to be put aside. Face it - when the truth is known, there will be those who refuse to believe - because the legend is so deeply ingrained and "Others" do NOT want the truth to ever be know...and will refute it. 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377 22 #16911 March 11, 2010 Jo says:Quote.....it is time for the truth...and time for the secrets to be put aside. I agree, so let's have it. What is the truth? How long will you delay in revealing it Jo and why delay another minute? And Jo I really hope you dont think the FBI removed the inmate smoke jumper photo you claimed to have seen on the Internet. That kind of thinking borders on true paranoia, in fact it hits it dead center. QuoteFace it - when the truth is known, there will be those who refuse to believe - because the legend is so deeply ingrained and "Others" do NOT want the truth to ever be know...and will refute it. BALONEY! Even the FBI wants the case solved. If you provide evidence and it doesnt convince people it is because it is of the same grade all your prior stuff is, equivocal, ambiguous, contingent and everything else that is short of really solid probative evidence. Jo, if you think Duane was Cooper give us the kind of evidence that could support a criminal conviction, PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Prosecutors had no trouble coming up with it for Duane's many prior cases. Why all of a sudden would Duane, a bumbling crook who gets repeatedly caught by local cops and convicted again and again, suddenly change into a criminal mastermind who eludes the best federal crime fighters in the business? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16912 March 11, 2010 Quoteblah moo meow arf bow-wow Brevity G, brevity. You have a solid propagation path and a strong signal. QSZ? NO. 73, 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16913 March 11, 2010 Jo writes: Quote There are a lot of things going on that NO one suspects or has any knowledge of at this time. And a thousand cheating skydivers sigh in relief...3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16914 March 12, 2010 The building I was asking you about was bldg 4 Only 3 wks What hapened to the 4th you bomb out Or drop. When did the first female guduate from the school at benning. I will give you a clue Some where in the 80's Last but not least was I your jump Master .Jerry Ps Sorry I did not read all the post Amazon We did train AF personell along with people from other countries.However I do not recall any female's graduating from this course at that time frame we also had a school That trained people from all services on packing chutes for different load operations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16915 March 12, 2010 377 Your right. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16916 March 12, 2010 377 Your right even the FBI would like to see this case solved.Lets face it. This case was the begining of terorist operations. No one had ever used an explosive as a threat untill this case. This is what makes it so important to solve.Since this time many hyjackings have taken place.Gradually essculating to 9-11. Had we of put more security in the Airports /Imigration/Alliens/after this took place Many people would still be alive. One problem we all thought it was a Isolated incident. Turned out we were wrong . We still did not learn our lesson untill years latter (9-11) Count the years (11-24 -71) Lots of time .To many Dead. For this reason I continue to try and solve this case with facts and not fiction maybe we think we have stoped a cooper incident from happening again , but we haven't It Still could, Maybe we can make up stories so someone will believe we knew who Cooper was ,There again that would be decieving. Bottom line How do we stop it from ever happening again.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16917 March 12, 2010 QuoteThe building I was asking you about was bldg 4 Only 3 wks What hapened to the 4th you bomb out Or drop. When did the first female guduate from the school at benning. I will give you a clue Some where in the 80's Last but not least was I your jump Master .Jerry Ps Sorry I did not read all the post Amazon We did train AF personell along with people from other countries.However I do not recall any female's graduating from this course at that time frame we also had a school That trained people from all services on packing chutes for different load operations. BZZZZT Wrong answer.. I FOUND your clue for you since you abviously don't have one!!! Were you really stationed there???? Faulty memories???? http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/ships.html Airborne Firsts: On 14 December, 1973 another milestone in Airborne history was established when Privates Joyce Kutsch and Rita Johnson became the first women to graduate from the Basic Airborne Course. Following graduation from a modified, but rigorous, airborne course the two women successfully completed the U.S. Army Quartermaster School Parachute Rigger Course and were assigned to Aerial Delivery Companies at Fort Bragg, NC. Since then, women do not attend a modified airborne course, but complete the full course and meet the same standards as their male counterparts. AIRBORNE Air Force personel at the time only did 3 weeks.. since we were in better shape than all those grunts out of basic and AIT we did not have to go thru the PT week, We started right off with Ground Week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16918 March 12, 2010 Why did you search so Hard all you realy had to do was ask. Ft benning was the question .Ft Brag is a whole new set of questions. Still You obviously enjoy to fly. Rigger school was one of the best that was offered in that time frame .Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16919 March 12, 2010 The clue is BLDG 4 That is the Headquarters of Ft Benning still to this day.Google it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16920 March 12, 2010 QuoteWhy did you search so Hard all you realy had to do was ask. Ft benning was the question .Ft Brag is a whole new set of questions. Still You obviously enjoy to fly. Rigger school was one of the best that was offered in that time frame .Jerry Reading is fun da mental. It was Ft Benning... you know.. the place where Army Airborne School is held. Ft Bragg on the other hand is where most of the graduates of the Airborne School were assigned... just like the article I linked said they were. When I went there I already had a bunch of skydives.....the jumping did not scare me. Wild horses could not have kept me in the plane when they said GO. I am not someone who freezes up from fear... I face it and overcome. I did have a fear of fucking up and not graduating. whether turn an injury or the blisters on my feet from my Corcorans that I brought that were not completely broken in...so what was a little blood in the boots....no one could have made me quit .. so I put my heart into it, and graduated and recieved my wings as my reward for the hard work. I am still jumping... 37+ years after I started, THE SKY is mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16921 March 12, 2010 I was station at ft Benning (1972-73)/( 77/78) (83/86) Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16922 March 12, 2010 QuoteI was station at ft Benning (1972-73)/( 77/78) (83/86) Jerry There are LOTS of schools at Ft Benning...then and now. There are a LOT more legs there than there are AIRBORNE. You need to go visit Ralph and get your knees in the breeze... it will help blow that pungent smelll of fear away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16923 March 12, 2010 So The Airforce Gave you your wings as a load master.Cool Great Proud of you. Still What proof would you like to see.Diplomas Assignments orders I have it all I'm The real deal all, this has already been proven.Challenges is not an option. All I ask is a meeting with you and a posible on ground search partner If you are experienced enough.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16924 March 12, 2010 Quote So The Airforce Gave you your wings as a load master.Cool Great Proud of you. Still What proof would you like to see.Diplomas Assignments orders I have it all I'm The real deal all, this has already been proven.Challenges is not an option. All I ask is a meeting with you and a posible on ground search partner If you are experienced enough.Jerry See you just can't handle it... I was not a load smasher.... I did my 5 jumps there like everyone else. I wore my blue and white wings on my fatigues just like everyone else in my carreer field who graduated from Jump school. And a couple years later when I was reassigned and put on flight status too.. I wore my blue and white aircrew wings on my fatiges as well, I still have one of my leather velcro flight suit insignia when I was on flight status AND Jump status. I only got $55 a month though even IF I was on both status. I also did a lot more jumps because I liked jumping.. so I volunteered to do the demo's when ever I could, We had a couple classes every week we demoed for. Not on big old HUGE army canopies.. on C-9 28' Green, brown, Orange and White. Most of those jumps were water jumps. I know you can't wrap your head around it.. but women have been able to perform most of the same military jobs for a LONG time... it just scares the hell out of the boys when you show them up..so the guys ban them from so many MOS or AFSC.. so they try to pretend to get all protective to keep women from competing on equal ground. I never found one single skill in parachuting.. or skydiving where a penis was needed to perform a skillFor all the macho shits out there..... just look around and I bet you can find there are women there capable of doing your hard core radical "macho" sport just as good or better than you canWhat do I want to see you asked????? YOU IN FREEFALL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #16925 March 12, 2010 Amozon. I understand that on dropzone all you have to do is fill in a application claiming what you have done.I allso realize that people will believe that what you post is real. In my Case this is true I have no choice but to prove my claims and document them.This has been done. Where your concerned it hasn't. I have been checked out by the FBI years ago. What I have done has been monitored by many. still you can Blow smoke or show proof .Why you ever chalenged me to begin with Ill Never Know . But Intell , is not your friend..Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
