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[JerryThomas 0]

Plain english. What say you. Jerry

[skyjack71 0]

You have a right to your opinion and your interpertation, but I didn't make illegal recordings of my conversations with you - 99% of these calls were on my nickel and I STILL have the phone bills to prove it.

Your story has changed! Remember your insistance? "NO WAY Cooper landed in the Washougal area" --- and now where did you move your search to? You insisted and repeatedly stated Cooper landed a different area - not only to me, but the media.

I came across a hard copy of an email to a journalist /writer which maybe what you are referring to. My email to her was an enquiry because of individuals contacting me. Her reply does indicate she thought I wanted her to write a book. I had writers contacting me, but didn't feel I had enough to do something with at that time. What I wanted and needed was an investigative researcher. I had a local man contact me - but, the query letter he did was all lies - with not one word of truth after 12 hours of interviews.

I believe Sluggo might be able to verify this story - because the man's contract was based on acceptance by me of an acceptable query letter - I kept the contract in one of the 2 volumes to remind myself of the experience.

Outside of this thread I have hard copies of important emails and posts I made. Also, records of every phone call up to 2002.
I believe I have covered all of the bases you touched on in your post.

What is happening RIGHT NOW has NOTHING to do with you. I have NOTHING more to say to you or about you.

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PS: I finished this post and found several other posts made by another party.

Doug Pasternak - still stays in contact with me and others on my behalf. The story posted about Mr. Pasternak is not true. Anyone who know Mr. Pasternak knows he would never hang up on someone without cause. A very very nice and sweet man.

Don't even ask why the above statement is GREEN? Definitely does NOT have anything to do with St Patrick's day!

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Update on progress:

There was NO jumping in Camino, CA. I had this information from another source and a second source has stated the same thing. It was also stated no records where available and/or non existent due to the camp purpose. It was verified Camino not only provide haven for the CO's, but also provide programs for young men who had made mistakes (often arranged by family members with influence and/or healthy contributions).

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Put Duane in a chute Jo. Prove the Ranger training claim. Putting Duane in WA doesn't cut it.

I got a kick out of Jerry describing Georger as a "father with a mother syndrome". Perhaps all men should aspire to that.

I wish Georger would explain his "miracle".

Riddling seems to be contagious but you can't catch diseases over the Internet.

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Put Duane in a chute Jo. Prove the Ranger training claim. Putting Duane in WA doesn't cut it.

I got a kick out of Jerry describing Georger as a "father with a mother syndrome". Perhaps all men should aspire to that.

I wish Georger would explain his "miracle".

Riddling seems to be contagious but you can't catch diseases over the Internet.

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The last time I talked to the FBI they told me I had to put him on the plane - maybe I did it. They also told me -the last time I talked to them - I had to put him on the plane.

"Duane passed thru McNeil"...I didn't catch that phrasing back yrs ago. He also makes a statement about the Army refuting what he had said in a prior conversation.
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The only "miracle" in Georger's life has to have something to do with Cooper - he is more consumed than I am...because he gets angry. It surely would have nothing to do with Weber - he wouldn't be happy about that at all but, then he might call it a miracle.

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Perhaps all men should aspire to that.

Not advisable, rough as hell on yer nipples!...just sayin'

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The last time I talked to the FBI they told me I had to put him on the plane - maybe I did it. They also told me -the last time I talked to them - I had to put him on the plane.

Since when did Jo Weber take direction from the FBI? I keep asking you to prove two claims (that Duane had jumped and that he received Ranger training). Your response is that the FBI told you that you had to put him in the plane.

I'd be flabbergasted if you could put Duane in ANY plane from which he exited by parachuting, even a Cessna.

Tease, dodge, riddle, we all know your tune by heart. We've been listening to it for years.

Also, you seem to think that FBI errors in accounting for Duanes incarceration history are evidence of a "Duane was Cooper" coverup. Has incompetence ever crossed your mind as a more likely explanation?

Who cares about the details of his McNeil time? It does nothing to prove he was Cooper.

Put him in a chute Jo. Stop this endless teasing, dodging and riddling.

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There was NO jumping in Camino, CA. I had this information from another source and a second source has stated the same thing. It was also stated no records where available and/or non existent due to the camp purpose

huh??? There was NO jumping at Alcatraz CA either. I had this information from another source and a second source has stated the same thing.

There was a womens prison not too far from my original DZ in 1968. Many thought about jumping into that facility but there was plenty of action around the DZ.

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Perhaps all men should aspire to that. 

Not advisable, rough as hell on yer nipples!...just sayin'

Good one Twardo. Welcome back. Airshow season's coming. Gonna do any in Northern CA this year? It would be fun to see you, but I'll be in the crowd. I don't have a PRO rating so no demos for me. You can have the concrete all to yourself. 

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Jo,

Please explain something to us. I know it is useless to ask you to drop the riddles and just state what is going on, but maybe you’ll be willing to clear something up (for me, at least). Why do you keep referencing Contentious Objectors (COs)? Are you operating under the impression that Duane was a CO?

After Duane was “kicked out” of the Army and Navy, he attempted to join the Navy again. That isn’t an action of a CO (in my opinion). Now… maybe he “posed” as a CO as a part of some kind of scam he was working on, but he wasn’t a CO. So what’s the CO connection?

Please answer these two questions (above, in RED) directly and succinctly, without obfuscation, riddles, references to FBI lies, or a “grand conspiracy,” just a straight answer… PLEASE!

Again, please answer the above questions, two answers for two questions, (if you want to rant, please do it in a separate post). I don’t think I am asking too much.

Duane was much more likely to have been at Camp Columbia than at Snowline.

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Good one Twardo. Welcome back. Airshow season's coming. Gonna do any in Northern CA this year? It would be fun to see you, but I'll be in the crowd. I don't have a PRO rating so no demos for me. You can have the concrete all to yourself. 

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You have a right to your opinion and your interpertation, but I didn't make illegal recordings of my conversations with you .

It is my understanding of US law that as long as the person doing the recording is one of the parties to the phone call, that recording it is is not illegal; it is only illegal if a 3rd party records without consent. Is this true (or does it vary by state?)

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You have a right to your opinion and your interpretation, but I didn't make illegal recordings of my conversations with you .

It is my understanding of US law that as long as the person doing the recording is one of the parties to the phone call, that recording it is is not illegal; it is only illegal if a 3rd party records without consent. Is this true (or does it vary by state?)

I know that one...it varies by state.
And in some of the states it's only legal if you have that beepie thing going as the conversation is being recorded...yes I do have some experience in the matter.

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[JerryThomas 0]

Jo You've Lost it .I have always searched the washougal area. Ralph and I got togrther in 88. After talking with him it has always been the washougal. I did have my doubts untill Ralph and I got together. Still I did not start my search seriously untill 1988, Only then did I contact the FBI agent in richland Washington. That is when I showed the Agent a peace of canvass that I had found in a mine shaft that was Identical to the money bag that Cooper was given. He recomend that I contact Ralph and I did.Guess what it was a miner's ore bag that Dated back to the early 1900"s, Could have done like you and tried to pass it off as Cooper's money Bag. People would have bought it . Only one problem. Although though the location was perfect. The aperance was perfect. It was hard to date. Still My honesty prevailed . I Met a Man in His 90's in washougal that used to hall minning ore from that mine to Cape Horn SE of washougal back inthe early 1900's he was 14yrs old at that time. He discribrbed the mine and the ore Bags they used.I discussed this with Ralph and he and I came to the conclussion that it was only a piece of a minning ore bag.Here is the Kicker there was also some sticks in this shaft. The sticks were painted red and the same size as a piece of dynamite and road flares they resembled the sticks in coopers brief case. Will as luck would have it these sticks were used as packer's for dynamite holes. One more clue in this shaft was Grafiti . One of these comment's on the walls of the shaft. Stated Killroy was here 1906. Writen in carbon from a minners helments light.This Info I did Not Have to disclose. I could have done like you do and swore it was a real piece of evidence.But I did Not In 1996 Richard Seven from the Sealtle times question me about this find. This entire story was relayed to Richard Seven. He can still be contacted today at the seatle times. Unlike all your post mine can be verified.The article took front page news in the Seattle Times. Date was Jan 1996. As You can see. If I wanted to falsify a Story that would have solved this case I could Have at this point. I could have went along with your claims. However the point that you claimed that Duane had told you. He Knew who DB Cooper was put a kink in my thoughts. Funny thing was I was stupid enough to check out all your claims. Only to realize that you were Only trying to gain 15 minutes of fame.The Kicker was is when you claimed to talk to a bar owner That stated he Knew duane, and his band member's name's . Remember. Like every thing else! you had a large quest to become DB Cooper"s wife.Nothing was going to stop you.So you continued to build your story. Changing and adding to it.You harrassed everyone untill they finally gave in and investigated your claims.One by one all were proven either made up stories or not to be connected to the case.Would this stop you!No you would continue to verbaly attack those that tried to help you.By making up more stories.Causing trouble is what you do.But someday all this will catch up with you. Jerry

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Twardo is right, but lets not start threatening lawsuits.

Why make lawyers rich over petty squabbles?

Electronic privacy is becoming a thing of the past, get used to it.

Jumping next Saturday down the coast a bit, 18,000 ft with spectacular ocean views for $30, such a deal!!! 13,500 ft is still $17 at my local DZ. You gotta love this sport. Sky high dirt cheap. Sounds like a drug motto doesnt it?

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Here is the Kicker there was also some sticks in this shaft. The sticks were painted red and the same size as a piece of dynamite and road flares they resembled the sticks in coopers brief case. Will as luck would have it these sticks were used as packer's for dynamite holes.

Good for you Jerry. It must have been tempting to jump to conclusions but you stayed rational.

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[JerryThomas 0]

Jo In ref: to the recording's you were aware of it.You agreed that it was a good Idea and that they could be used in writing your book. This even on one of the tapes.Jerry

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I know that one...it varies by state.
And in some of the states it's only legal if you have that beepie thing going as the conversation is being recorded...yes I do have some experience in the matter.

I know this is off topic, but how does it work if the call is between states with different laws?
Sheesh... if you guys can have one currency in 50 states you'd think you could have one set of federal laws??!!

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That's just what "THEY" would expect us to do!!!!

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I know that one...it varies by state.
And in some of the states it's only legal if you have that beepie thing going as the conversation is being recorded...yes I do have some experience in the matter.

I know this is off topic, but how does it work if the call is between states with different laws?
Sheesh... if you guys can have one currency in 50 states you'd think you could have one set of federal laws??!!

I live in the republic of Texas...there IS no reason to call the states!






But IIRC the laws attach to the state the call originated in.

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[skyjack71 0]

Answering some question asked of me - but, will address nothing more Jerry has to say because it only creates repetition.
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Question: 1

"Please explain something to us. I know it is useless to ask you to drop the riddles and just state what is going on, but maybe you’ll be willing to clear something up (for me, at least). Why do you keep referencing Contentious Objectors (COs)? Are you operating under the impression that Duane was a CO?"

Answer:
No I do not believe Duane to be a CO's, but the camps housed other individuals besides CO's.
Duane wanted to serve - remember he signed up for both the Navy and the Army. There is sufficient information to believe Duane was Place by the system or his family or Hidden in the camp because of a "situation" which will be addressed much later if it becomes necessary to do so.
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Question 2

"After Duane was “kicked out” of the Army and Navy, he attempted to join the Navy again. That isn’t an action of a CO (in my opinion). Now… maybe he “posed” as a CO as a part of some kind of scam he was working on, but he wasn’t a CO. So what’s the CO connection?"

Answer:

See answer number 1.

But, will add I don't think his time at Camino was a part of a "scam". Unless you consider running from the law a scam or his parents/relatives/family friend arranging for him to be placed there to hopefully straighten him out.

Good Question and hope this clarifies any mis-understanding about what I have been trying to say.


What is Camp Columbia?

I know there was a brief encarceration in Rockford, Ill (1944) for petty theft (per one of the prison records) - lasting about 3 wks (per letters to his mother) before they found during the process there was an outstanding warrant for him in San Franciso and he was sent back to that jurisdiction and sentenced to McNeil within a 2 wk period of time.

If you wish to call me - I will read the letter off to you and point out the dates.

Is the Rockford, Ill. County Prison and Camp Columbia the same place?

The SanQuentin file makes a reference only to the word Columbia?

I do not intentionally create riddles - but there are somethings I cannot talk about right now. To avoid answering,
I suppose the "riddle" is created by my wanting to talk and can't and a hint is all I can say or do.
It is not intentional. Just me having a HARD time keeping my mouth shut...just like most women.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Columbia_(Hanford) ??

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On Tue 10/06/2009 @ 7:58 PM MST I sent you an e-mail with the following:

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Jo,

Here are two articles about "Camp Columbia". (This Emphasis) is mine.


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Camp Columbia (variously referred to as Columbia Camp) was a prison camp established on the north shore of the Yakima River in 1944 near Horn Rapids. The camp operated between February 1944 and October 1947 by Federal Prison Industries. The camp was used to house "minimum-custody-type improvable male offenders," who had no more than one year to serve. These were violators of national defense, wartime and military laws. Included were conscientious objectors, violators of rationing and price support laws, those convicted of espionage, sabotage and sedition and by military courts martial. Aliens who failed to register were also in this category but none of them were sent here due to the nearby Hanford project.[1]

The prisoners were brought in from the prison at McNeil Island, and worked in local fruit orchards. As many as 250 prisoners were housed there at any given time. The camp had a number of Quonset prefab buildings, and barracks to house both prisoners and staff. There were no fences around the camp, as the geography itself was a deterrent to escape. The prisoners were known to occasionally stray down to the river to fish, but only 12 were known to have escaped from the area.

After the camp was officially shut down in 1947, the facitiy was used to house workers for the Hanford project railroad until 1949. The camp was then used by the US Army Corps of Engineers to house those working on various levy projects as well as the McNary Dam.

Camp Columbia was finally abandoned in 1950, and the facilities were dismantled and removed. Some of the original Quonset huts were moved to Richland, and could be seen there until the early 1990s.[2]

Today the site of Camp Columbia is occupied by Horn Rapids County Park, a day-use park with a boat launch above the dam.[3]

^ http://www.hanfordnews.com/history/fifty/story/396.html
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http://www.hanfordnews.com/history/fifty/story/394.html

Jean Carol Davis, a Kennewick resident whose hobby is historical research, wrote an article about Camp Columbia. It was near Horn Rapids Dam and housed conscientious objectors and prisoners who had broken wartime laws.

Davis wrote about Camp Columbia in the February (1993) edition of The Courier, the quarterly magazine published by the East Benton County Historical Society.

"There has been a lot of misinformation about this camp, with many people thinking it was either a prisoner of war camp or connected with Hanford, which it was not," she said.

The camp existed from 1944 to 1947. Inmates' offenses ranged from violating price support regulations to wearing military uniforms without permission.

Camp Columbia prisoners often were sent to nearby farms to help with crops, chiefly picking fruit.

The camp lacked the high walls and tall barbed-wire-topped fences of traditional prisons.

It existed for two years, 1944 to 1945. The prisoners were permitted to make field trips into Pasco and Kennewick to break the monotony of prison life.

There also were frequent visits to the Pardini vineyards to help pick the wine grapes.


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I thought surely you would have followed-up on this. But I guess you didn't think it fit your pre-concieved conclusions.

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Thank you for that informaion and the site. Had been there before but either it changed or I didn't grasp onto the information provided in the text regarding McNeil.

Camp Columbia certainly answered a lot of Question the FBI could easily have answered for me but refused to do so.

If he was sent there from McNeil that would explain his knowing the area... might explain the Camino connection. Especially if any of those guys were at McNeil at any given time - wonder how one finds that out? I would bet the it was Unruh because that is the one Duane mentioned about the cowboy boots and his guitar.

Since 1945 thru 1949 is blank in the history of Weber - did he go back to WA and continue to work there? The places and stories would indicate he did so. The familiarity with Dollar Corner and his knowing a man there - plus all other bars, towers, tracks, pipelines, power lines, and airstrips, businesses, cemetaries, the area and people indicate he did remain or return to the area during a period he was not encarcerated.

If the FBI had knowledge of this why wasn't I told or if others had knowledge of this why did they not talk to me and explain it? It would certain have narrowed down my search and time expended not to mention the yrs of my life this has used up.

Perhaps if they let it be known that Weber was in Wa for several yrs that would only increase the likely hood he might be Cooper?
It is eveident he spent more than 6 months in the area...so why wasn't this ever discussed?

Did these Columbia prisoners - go to bars, work on power lines, pipelines, cemetaries, airstrips and towers??? Probably not therefore his famililarity had to occur in the following yrs. Now the big question is where was he and what was he doing and who did he know? The names of the individuals encarcerated at facility will provide those answers.

This might even explain people Duane knew such as Ed Huran and Karl Unruh. It might answer LOTS of questions.

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Good info Sluggo. We used to hunt at Horn Rapids between classes in high school. We always thought it was a POW facility.

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Where did you go to High School?

You know I lived there for the better part of 13 years. My wife grew up in Benton City.

There was a geocache on the site (Always referred to as “the Prisoner of War Camp) called Only Twelve Escapes.

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