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You hit a major point on Safe's assumptions, G.

In his videos, Safe does not mention or account for the shards of money that multiple FBI agents say were embedded in the sand.

To whit:

Himms writes in his book that shards were found as deep as three feet.

McPheter told me on the phone that he recovered at least 6-7 shards along the tide line and some as deep as a shovel blade, 1-2 feet deep.

Lastly, Dorwin, the Delightfully Doozy G-Man, says thousands of shards were equally dispensed throughout the sand column at least three deep down and for a diameter of 20 yards. Yes, of course, Dorwin also remote-viewed the Bedell still dredging the Columbia at Tena's Bar six years after it left, and he says his team also found parts of the briefcase and assumes that DBC put money into it, but no one else has remotely suggested anything close to the Dorwin Hypothesis.

And secondly lastly, Al Fazio says not one shard was buried and that everything was at the surface. But Al was the last guy to the party, arriving from his cattle auction trip well after the feds got there and locked Al out of his property when he drove down River Rd. I give Al credit for not finding anything in the sand when he was digging with his back-hoe, but what about all the FBI shovel work before he hit the beach?

So, Safe - ya gotta tell us: how come you say 3 bundles was it, in toto?

I do respect Safe for trying to be logical about things in order to build a 'logical chain of evidence'. Safe
realises that 'inference' can be a powerful tool.

Safe commented to me recently about all the "circular" thinking going on in general. Safe
also realises that the assumptions one makes
is vital so far as drawing inferences which have
validity (applicability). Otherwise logical methods
can be just as empty as anything else -

I agree with your citations for Fazio..

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It is so frigging easy to skip posts that you find uninteresting or irrelevant.

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I wish more people would do this!!

Indeed Orange. I mean when these folks walk down a sidewalk soiled by dog poop, do they stop and complain about every pile?

It's so much easier to just keep walking and avoid the messy spots.

As long as there is more bare concrete than poop, it's "mostly good".

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you posted this and then promptly stepped in a pile of shit - maybe you weren't looking where you were going.

Second the problem is that using your analogy there is a mile of crap followed by 2 foot of clean pavement!

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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"377 - where's my drink!!!!!"

(aside) Tina, a double Bourbon for Mr. Smith please.

(aloud) Sorry Bruce, coming right up, kinda busy tonight and the waitress is brand new, .

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Second the problem is that using your analogy there is a mile of crap followed by 2 foot of clean pavement!

Very unlikely distribution, statistically speaking.

Right Orange?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Second the problem is that using your analogy there is a mile of crap followed by 2 foot of clean pavement!

Very unlikely distribution, statistically speaking.

Right Orange?

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um, as far as real life pavement (or sidewalks in the US, but i understand nigel highly skewed distributions do happen too!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Is This the Pile of Shit you are ignoring. It is an inquiry and it supposedly occurred when some of you guys where at Tena's Bar.
I simply want to know who this information was relayed to or how someone else found out about it.

This is a question I need an answer to - As I said you can answer in a PM - so as not to spread any more crap on the sidewalk.


Back within the last few yrs there was a remark made regarding a family member of a passenger who was trying to find out what happened to some very "Specific Items" never returned to the family member. This occurred during some activities in WA concerning Cooper. Either a journalist, TV person or another participant was approached...there was a brief mention of this, but since I live in the SO. I was never able to trace the validity of this enquiry.

I have tried to find a complete LIST of the passengers and was only provided with a partial list.

This was prior to my introducing an item on this forum. When I did introduce the specific item the forum took a turn going somewhere else regarding the item. My reason for introducing this article - became lost in the rhetoric. I never found where the remark came from or who the interviewer was or if the conversation with these spectators and family members actually took place?

It was shortly after I heard about this enquiry that I pulled this item from the memorabilia Duane left behind and made it public. I think all of you will remember this item - because it was suggested (not by me) the little girl could be Tina. Maybe it is , but more than likely it belonged to the woman who owned this book and perhaps the owner of another item in my possession.

The statement supposedly took place during an investigation instigated by members of this forum?

Recently revisiting statements made to me by the FBI yrs ago -regarding souveniers taken and kept by Cooper - it has been suggested I make efforts to expose this item to the public. Perhaps the owner was told it was lost or held as evidence.

Individuals moved forward were NOT allowed to retrive items they had left in the aft compartment.

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Second the problem is that using your analogy there is a mile of crap followed by 2 foot of clean pavement!

Very unlikely distribution, statistically speaking.

Right Orange?

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um, as far as real life pavement (or sidewalks in the US, but i understand nigel highly skewed distributions do happen too!

There was a joke back home about an Afrikaner policeman.

He goes to a traffic accident and finds the person who has deceased so he starts to write up his report.

Man's head is on the pa pavemint. "Agh man sod this" (kicking action is not easy to type). Man's head is on the r o a d.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Jo,

I dont recall the missing item inquiry from a passenger's family member you are referring to.
I am not ignoring it, I just have no info.

Where do you recall seeing info about this inquiry?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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This enquiry was relayed to me by a party who now denies it. One of those POOF moments.

I will not give up - his person had NO reason to lie to me, but now seems to not remember saying it.

I will NOT give up - if I have to go to WA and OR and stand on a street corner handing out flyers with pictures of these items, I will. I know what I saw and what I held in my hands and what I was told.

I will NOT give up.

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I will not give up - his person had NO reason to lie to me, but now seems to not remember saying it.

Jo,

Seriously, if he doesn't recall saying it and has no reason to lie, might YOU have an inaccurate memory of the alleged statement?

How can you rule out that possibility?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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All,

Maybe this will stir-up some serious discussions.

'Into The Blast' - How Secrecy Regarding New Book on Skyjacker D.B. Cooper Drove Us Crazy

Have fun!

Sluggo




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About Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

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A book subtitled "The true story of DB Cooper" doesn't get off to a good start with a pic of someone flying a square canopy on the front cover!!!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Orange1… I think I love you! (Or at least like you.)

Here is a conversation that took place a short time ago (remember I’m a Whuffo, so my terminology probably isn’t correct):

Sluggo:
The decision to place a para-wing canopy instead of a round canopy on the cover will adversely affect sales. Most NORJACK and skydiving enthusiast will see the cover... see the illustration and say; "This can't have much to say about Cooper, everybody knows he jumped with a round canopy."

Robert Blevins:
The cover photos don't matter. They are poetic license. Everyone knows there are no actual pics of Cooper jumping from the jet. The title page uses a round chute anyway. It's the story that matters.

So, Orange1 makes the first comment and says almost the same thing I said, proving I was right!

I’m laughing my ass off.

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Sheesh, that square canopy really sets the wrong tone for a factual well researched book.

And oh, the DRAMA... working in secret, in fear of the FBI raiding their offices and seizing their computers.

Uhh ever hear of remote backups? Pen drives? CDs with your data taken to other places?

"90-95%" sure that they have ID'd Cooper. How do you quantify that confidence level?

I'd be overjoyed if the Cooper mystery were solved in my lifetime, but I am not holding out high hopes for this book doing it.

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As I remember it, the story of the family that found the money is also interesting. I think the Father of the boy that found the money put his face on the national news to tell their story. A few days after the interview on TV the feds picked the father up because he was wanted in the Midwest for some sort of federal charges. Go figure…
D.B. you sure have kicked up some shit over the years. How is your vacation going?

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All,

Maybe this will stir-up some serious discussions.

'Into The Blast' - How Secrecy Regarding New Book on Skyjacker D.B. Cooper Drove Us Crazy

Have fun!

Sluggo

Well, The picture is of an older Christiansen and appears to have been staged. He died in 1994 - a yr before Weber died, so if they can VALIDATE the date of the photo - he was not doing the picture in relation to the Cooper Hype going on in 1996 when the FBI was approached regarding Weber.

The picture shows a briefcase (commmon), a whitish bag and the ticket in his pocket. Now I wonder what enhancement of that photo will show.

The whitish bag had printing on the side of the bag - does this bag have that printing on it? The bag I saw in 1990 had in black printing the name of the bank and the city and state.

The ticket in his pocket - will enhancement show dates or numbers - any information at all that will identify it? Since there is a copy of the ticket in the FBI files which has been made public, what will an enhancement show?

The brief case? A very common item...but there has always been a secret or discrepancy about this. Even though the FBI stated a briefcase - it was also reported to have been a satchel of sorts (perhaps this was media error).

The photo appears to be staged but does NOT show the money or the inside of the briefcase. What would put him on that plane - the inside of the briefcase or a picture of the money? Therefore I will state exactly what the FBI has stated to me -"You have to put him on the plane!"

Georger is excellent at enlarging photos and extracting details from items....Okay Georger DO your THING.

Just my 2 cents worth!

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What do you think about the “Christmas Photo?”

Black Raincoat, Briefcase, Paper Bag… Jo would say; “That puts him on the plane!” {EDIT: This was written before I read the post above.}

If it was taken weeks after the hijacking, Christiansen would be 45-years and 2-months old. That photo looks like a much older (and sickly) man to me.

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Orange1… I think I love you! (Or at least like you.)

Here is a conversation that took place a short time ago (remember I’m a Whuffo, so my terminology probably isn’t correct):

Sluggo:
The decision to place a para-wing canopy instead of a round canopy on the cover will adversely affect sales. Most NORJACK and skydiving enthusiast will see the cover... see the illustration and say; "This can't have much to say about Cooper, everybody knows he jumped with a round canopy."

Robert Blevins:
The cover photos don't matter. They are poetic license. Everyone knows there are no actual pics of Cooper jumping from the jet. The title page uses a round chute anyway. It's the story that matters.

So, Orange1 makes the first comment and says almost the same thing I said, proving I was right!

I’m laughing my ass off.

lol! i was somewhat tickled by the photo of the paper bag and the briefcase (am i right that there was never any clarity about the size of the actual bag Cooper had?) and the "sweet" lady who got a big cash loan from Christiansen. The book sounds like fun and I may read it in that vein when it comes out, square canopy or no, but I first need to get through "The Big Short" (highly recommended, as is all Michael Lewis's stuff - both professionals and "lay people" seem to enjoy his work - I've been a fan since "Liar's Poker") and "This Time Is Different" (which most of you probably won't want to read )

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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I NEED A COMPLETE PASSENGER LIST: ALL 30 SOME SOLES ON BOARD!

The names below - do ANY of them show on that passenger list?

Dotson, Kawaguchi, Traven, Sweeney, Henderson, Van Hemert, Garrity, Schwind, Turner, Best, Goodrick, Haskell, Morrow, Butler, Baker, Wade, Ford, Hadden, Hastings, Marchison. Bette Scott, Schwind, Cleghorn, Van Buren,Hull, Streeter and Chesi.

This is only a partical list of names I need to check against that passenger list, but if you have a passenger list - please compare the names I have listed and contact me by my private email address.

A representative of the illustrious FBI told me "If you go to WA you will get into trouble." What are they going to do - arrest me? Why do they want to keep me out of WA.?

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What do you think about the “Christmas Photo?”

Black Raincoat, Briefcase, Paper Bag… Jo would say; “That puts him on the plane!” {EDIT: This was written before I read the post above.}

If it was taken weeks after the hijacking, Christiansen would be 45-years and 2-months old. That photo looks like a much older (and sickly) man to me.

Sluggo

I took the white bag to supposedly be the bank bag. It was my understanding yrs ago from Himmelsbach that the paper sack Cooper carried on was, maybe - lunch (so it could not have been as large at the White bag depicted in the pic).

Blevins is referring to that large white bag as being a "paper bag". Am I reading the caption correctly?

Blevins CLAIMs the photo was "staged" after the crime by a few wks is WAY-OUT. You are correct in that the picture is of an older Christiansen. That picture appears to be of a man about 60 to 68 (or if younger one who was very very sick).

As for Weber I have tried not to use photos taken prior to 1980, because I felt they would be useless for identification purposes....

Dedicating the book to Tina and Florence flies in the face of "good taste" - does he have permission to do this? Better yet prove he is not doing this for MONEY - donate ALL the profits to the charity of Tina's choosing and have her endorse the book.
Betcha that won't happen!

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Better yet prove he is not doing this for MONEY



Jo,

Adventure Books (AB) of Seattle is a business. Of course he’s doing it to make money. Where did you get the idea he wasn’t (shouldn’t)?

See the attached photo.

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“If you were acquainted as I was with many of the people in the airline industry, [you'd know] they are exceptional people. They are head and shoulders above the standards and the values and the character of normal, average Americans.” - Ralph Himmelsbach

I dated some flight attendants in my youth Ralph. Thankfully they were exceptions to your idealistic lofty standards. They were, however, "exceptional"... we do agree on that point. One had easily a thousand of those little drink bottles, all full of course.

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“If you were acquainted as I was with many of the people in the airline industry, [you'd know] they are exceptional people. They are head and shoulders above the standards and the values and the character of normal, average Americans.” - Ralph Himmelsbach

I dated some flight attendants in my youth Ralph. Thankfully they were exceptions to your idealistic lofty standards. They were, however, "exceptional"... we do agree on that point. One had easily a thousand of those little drink bottles, all full of course.

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I lived near the airport in the Atlanta area - alcohol was a major problem and the airlines far to lenient in the disciplinary actions.


Georger: where are you when the forum need you? Do your thing with the Christiansen picture - if it was a picture of Duane you would be doing handstands taking this task on.

I challenge you to agressively take to task this Christiansen picture - with his brief case, bag and ticket thing as you have done with Weber. Why not challenge this man's claim the same as you have with Weber?
Not doing so - would only cause one to think - you have a "grudge" or motive in regards to Weber.

I have to admit - it is able. (The picture of Christainsen, not you).

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Black Raincoat, Briefcase, Paper Bag… Jo would say; “That puts him on the plane!” {EDIT: This was written before I read the post above.}

If it was taken weeks after the hijacking, Christiansen would be 45-years and 2-months old. That photo looks like a much older (and sickly) man to me.

I agree the photo looks of a much older man. Of course, if there was a photo of Duane like that, at any age, Jo would no doubt take it as more "proof".

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.