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Thanks Georger and Orange. I see no proof that Burnworth was arrested as a Norjack suspect, at least so far. I am curious as to his post about selling Iridium. It's just odd, that's all.

Here's one for Orange: If Cooper had invested the remaining loot ($200K-Tena Bar money) in Iridium in 1971, what would it be worth today?

377

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lol.. "one of the loonies" - do you suppose it's someone who posts here?!

re the 2nd one, I must admit we never studied star applications for our metals jewellery, industrial etc yes... we were very excited about autocats... then also looked at war/aerospace (cobalt is also mined as a byproduct). In most of the world, Pt is a by-product of nickel, copper and cobalt mining; in SA the latter are the byproducts.

How many other people on the forum have been down a goldmine, by the way? Would be interesting to see!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Here's one for Orange: If Cooper had invested the remaining loot ($200K-Tena Bar money) in Iridium in 1971, what would it be worth today?

377

I have no idea what iridium was trading at then but sure i could find out! But would you want that inflation adjusted as well..?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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lol.. "one of the loonies" - do you suppose it's someone who posts here?!

re the 2nd one, I must admit we never studied star applications for our metals jewellery, industrial etc yes... we were very excited about autocats... then also looked at war/aerospace (cobalt is also mined as a byproduct). In most of the world, Pt is a by-product of nickel, copper and cobalt mining; in SA the latter are the byproducts.

How many other people on the forum have been down a goldmine, by the way? Would be interesting to see!

Just old ones that were closed at the start of WWII when the miners were needed for wartime critical production in other mines. Many of those old mines are out here in the western USA and back then when I was checking them out they were only 30 years old. Today those mines are far more dangerous to enter if you find one in the mountains.... and you can't pay me enough to go into one of them.

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Here's one for Orange: If Cooper had invested the remaining loot ($200K-Tena Bar money) in Iridium in 1971, what would it be worth today?

377

I have no idea what iridium was trading at then but sure i could find out! But would you want that inflation adjusted as well..?

Both straight dollars and inflation adjusted would be nice.

377

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How many other people on the forum have been down a goldmine, by the way? Would be interesting to see!

Before the National Park Service sealed up most of the access points, there used to be many open abandoned mines in Death Valley CA. My brothers and I decided to explore several despite warnings from our folks to stay out. Many were caved in near the opening but we found one that looked open. We told our parents we were going on a trail hike but instead we went deep into an abandoned mine. It was weird, a flashlight only lit up what it was aimed at. Without airborne dust to scatter light you get very little illumination of your surroundings. The walls of the shaft were not very reflective and the end result was unless you shined a flashlight directly at a hazard you didnt see it clearly. I almost stepped into a vertical bore that would have been my end. Many support timbers were cracked or broken from stress.

We walked for what seemed like half a mile into the mountain and then came back because were worried that our batteries would run down. We piled up rocks at branches we took so we wouldnt get lost coming back out.

Scary stuff, but we were kids and didnt fully appreciate the risk.

377

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Orange one Ref gold mines. Actually I own one.For real its called The Stices Gulch Placer Gold Mine. Pattened in 1906 May 7th . And signed by President Rosevelt.Recorded in the book of In Baker county Oregon.

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So Jerry, does it produce any gold?

377

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377. Yes it does.I bought a back hoe last year and I plan on working it when the weather clears.It snowed here again last nite.Got a foot of snow last week it melted. It warms up in the day so most of it has melted.I figure that in a week I can go into full operation.Jerry

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Thanks Georger and Orange. I see no proof that Burnworth was arrested as a Norjack suspect, at least so far. I am curious as to his post about selling Iridium. It's just odd, that's all.

Here's one for Orange: If Cooper had invested the remaining loot ($200K-Tena Bar money) in Iridium in 1971, what would it be worth today?

377

I cant imagine 2 guys would make up a story like this. Too bad Ckret isnt here.

I have no idea what futures in Iridium were doing
in 71 but gold was about $35 an ounce. Since Orange worked in this area maybe she can fill us
in on more ...

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How many other people on the forum have been down a goldmine, by the way? Would be interesting to see!

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lol.. "one of the loonies" - do you suppose it's someone who posts here?!

re the 2nd one, I must admit we never studied star applications for our metals jewellery, industrial etc yes... we were very excited about autocats... then also looked at war/aerospace (cobalt is also mined as a byproduct). In most of the world, Pt is a by-product of nickel, copper and cobalt mining; in SA the latter are the byproducts.

How many other people on the forum have been down a goldmine, by the way? Would be interesting to see!

Just old ones that were closed at the start of WWII when the miners were needed for wartime critical production in other mines. Many of those old mines are out here in the western USA and back then when I was checking them out they were only 30 years old. Today those mines are far more dangerous to enter if you find one in the mountains.... and you can't pay me enough to go into one of them.

There used to be silver & gold mining in the Washougal in the 1800s into the 20th cent.

Jerry can expand on this if he wants ...

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lol.. "one of the loonies" - do you suppose it's someone who posts here?!

re the 2nd one, I must admit we never studied star applications for our metals jewellery, industrial etc yes... we were very excited about autocats... then also looked at war/aerospace (cobalt is also mined as a byproduct). In most of the world, Pt is a by-product of nickel, copper and cobalt mining; in SA the latter are the byproducts.

How many other people on the forum have been down a goldmine, by the way? Would be interesting to see!

me

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Why is Burnworth trying to sell Iridium? How does an ex airline pilot end up with A quantity of an exotic metal mined in Africa? This isn't exactly like gold or silver, which are commonly held precious metals. It's pretty exotic and is primarily used for hi tech applications.

Just curious. Maybe Bruce can find the answer.

377

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Anyone have info on a DZ near Orchards WA 1971? Quote | Reply
An old aero chart shows a DZ near the Orchards WA airport circa 1971. Does anyone have info on this DZ, who ran it, etc?

Thanks,
377


Malfunction? Cutaway and pull silver...you know... that tab on the top of the beer can.




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Re: [377] Anyone have info on a DZ near Orchards WA 1971? [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Hi 337,

That would have been ran by none other than Ralph Hatley.

When you say 'Orchards' that does not define it exactly. Orchards is a large undefined 'area' near Vancouver, WA.

Ralph was first ( opened in ~early '64 ) at an airport that was known as Scholls and/or Frinks; we used both names & I never did know the official name. Then in about '68 he moved slightly east to another airport that would be closer to the area known as Orchards. Then in ~'74 ( I could check a logbook ) he moved to the airport that is today the location of Skydive Oregon near Molalla, OR. I'm not sure when he moved to his present location near Eagle Creek/Estacada, Oregon.

Does that help?

I've jumped at all of them a fair amount,

JerryBaumchen

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PPS) I entered my first competition in the summer of '64 on a Double L at Ralph's dz at Scholls.




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Re: [JerryBaumchen] Anyone have info on a DZ near Orchards WA 1971? [In reply to] Quote | Reply
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I'm not sure when he moved to his present location near Eagle Creek/Estacada, Oregon.

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Bruce,

Ralph Hatley would be a good person to talk with. He has been in the Pacific NW skydiving scene since Dinosaurs bathed in the Columbia. He is still an active DZO and a wheelin dealing purveyor of new and used parachute gear.

377

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I cant imagine 2 guys would make up a story like this. Too bad Ckret isnt here.

I have no idea what futures in Iridium were doing
in 71 but gold was about $35 an ounce. Since Orange worked in this area maybe she can fill us
in on more ...

Yeah, gold was fixed at $35/oz during the Bretton Woods system. I need to check my eco history, but the system broke down progressively from when Nixon abandoned the gold standard in late 71 (before Cooper IIRC) until we had properly floating exchange rates in 1973. I can't recall exactly when gold started to float properly, but of course by 1980 or 81 it was at $850/oz, a level it never got back to until recently.

Interesting how many people have been down mines, albeit less down working ones

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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I cant imagine 2 guys would make up a story like this. Too bad Ckret isnt here.

I have no idea what futures in Iridium were doing
in 71 but gold was about $35 an ounce. Since Orange worked in this area maybe she can fill us
in on more ...

Yeah, gold was fixed at $35/oz during the Bretton Woods system. I need to check my eco history, but the system broke down progressively from when Nixon abandoned the gold standard in late 71 (before Cooper IIRC) until we had properly floating exchange rates in 1973. I can't recall exactly when gold started to float properly, but of course by 1980 or 81 it was at $850/oz, a level it never got back to until recently.

Thats exactly correct. I had forgotten about
this. Bretton Woods and Nixon.

377 asked why anyone would own rare metals.
Its an investment tool meant to hedge against inflation. You buy options. Its a very volatile market
and small investors usually dont come out well ...
some prefer to own something tangible like Kuggerrands if conversion or trade is going to be
an issue ... not too many people can trade Iridium at the local grocery in a Depression.

Say you got a settlement when your employer
filed bankruptcy in 2006. You might have some money (or assets) to have to try and protect.
That would be one motivation for buying an investment tool ... some people buy realty or land. E-bonds were attractive. Paying down your debt
and your high interest credit cards is always an excellent policy ...

Right now with all the rain we have had a small
boat might be worthwhile ...

Im not going to get into Burnworth's personal life
unless something specific to the hijacking comes
up.

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Right now with all the rain we have had a small
boat might be worthwhile ...

Send a little of it our way in N. Florida. Might help the oil problem.

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I'm not going to get into Burnworth's personal life
unless something specific to the hijacking comes
up.

This was my thinking also. There is a lot to be read between the lines in his 2 interviews - but hints of a past similar to Weber's.

I also notice connections that were not made obvious, but there indeed. Chicago and Kansas...meeting the father of his childern and his wife of 28 days in Chicago. Back in those days - most women were legally married before producing children and a child born out of wedlock was NOT generally acceptable. Even in the 70's a woman having more than one child out of wedlock labeled her.

Of course times have changed and having children outside of the boundaries of a marriage has become acceptable by these young women - we the tax payer in most cases pay the medical bills and support the child and mother...and many time till the child is 18 because the mother never identifies the father even though they at a later date marry the father of the child.

Nahh! Need to get off of my soap box - medicaide was the structure that destoried parental responsiblility - and now the rest of us pay for it.

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All,


I’m not giving a geology lesson, or writing a biography of Tom Kaye, but, for those of you who don’t know… Tom spends a lot of his time mucking around in the K-T Boundary. The K-T boundary is a geological anomaly which contains unusual iridium concentrations due to a large meteor collision about 65 Million years ago. Many feel this was what caused the dinosaur extenction of 65 Million years ago.

I saw this (attached file) and thought of Tom. I sent it to him and I thought (since you are talking about iridium) you guys might get a chuckle out of it (georger especially).


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Geoger I'll sell you my 24ft Bayliner or my dingy if you like.Your right about the Investment situation.I invest in rare coins and Gemstones.Gold and silver mines in washougal mining district never had alot of gold. Copper ,silver and nickel mainly. They never realy processed alot of the ore from that area it was more of a stock market scam.Most of the shafts are still opened. Some have caved in. A few have been reopened recently.Longview fiber filled mining rights on afew of them years ago and got the land then logged it.Jerry

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CALL RALPH

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I have had a couple of people trying to verify parts of Burnworths interview, but without more detailed information from Burnworth - they are not getting anything of value. This is referencing his ex-wife who died in 1977 due to a riding accident.
Surely he has copies of the obituarary or can give a location.

We are also trying to track her life - this is essential to make the claims Burnworth stated. Right now we need names of other family members - to trace her origin and to possibly find other members of the family...who may or may not be part of the Mafia connection stated by Burnworth.

What we are trying to do is back-track on her and Burnworth just like we did on Duane L. Weber (how we found things the FBI didn't even consider)...such as the Uncle and the chemical background - the FBI had no interest in (which led us to more information) the FBI again did NOT acknowledge regarding the history of Weber.

We know that Weber was John Collins in Kansas and worked for Pyramid Life Insurance. We know that Duane had Italian (influencial) connections during this period of time and the man was upset about Duane screwing up. Seems like this person went out on a limb to help him to get the job.

We know that Weber spent several months in 1966 in Chicago with his lady of the days (first name was Mary)...while he was on the run from the FBI. The lady of the days claimed she was in Kansas from November of 1971 til Feb of 1972. There is nothing in this that connects to Burnworth or to Bernice unless Burnworth provides us with more detailed information.

Burnworth and Weber (Collins) may not be connected at all - but certain factors in the Story Burnworth told - are either co-incidental or deliberately intended to line up with the things I am aware of that the FBI had NO interest in...enough people where aware of these things to document I told the stories to others before I ever went public in 2000......and I have never talked to Burnworth unless he used a different name or my story was told to him by a second party...(the parties who knew the specific material only knew parts of it and they were all trusted individuals).

I had phone problems today and was unable to make certain contacts with an individual who has seemed to be hiding something over the yrs. See what happens there. In tracking back to sources the past few day also found out one of the KEY persons the FBI never ever talked to passed away - this man knew Duane as John.

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All,


I’m not giving a geology lesson, or writing a biography of Tom Kaye, but, for those of you who don’t know… Tom spends a lot of his time mucking around in the K-T Boundary. The K-T boundary is a geological anomaly which contains unusual iridium concentrations due to a large meteor collision about 65 Million years ago. Many feel this was what caused the dinosaur extenction of 65 Million years ago.

I saw this (attached file) and thought of Tom. I sent it to him and I thought (since you are talking about iridium) you guys might get a chuckle out of it (georger especially).


Sluggo

Funny. Thats a good one.
Here's a photo of thge KT boundary (New Mexico).
Doesnt look like much does it.

Thats a good cartoon Sluggo - still laughing.

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Geoger I'll sell you my 24ft Bayliner or my dingy if you like.Your right about the Investment situation.I invest in rare coins and Gemstones.Gold and silver mines in washougal mining district never had alot of gold. Copper ,silver and nickel mainly. They never realy processed alot of the ore from that area it was more of a stock market scam.Most of the shafts are still opened. Some have caved in. A few have been reopened recently.Longview fiber filled mining rights on afew of them years ago and got the land then logged it.Jerry

Know anything about Burnworth, especially his arrest
after the hijacking?