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All,
For those you care (and I’m sure there are some of you out there), I just found out that Larry Carr (Ckret) was promoted and is heading to the Washington, DC area (actually just a little south of there). He said; “I’m not taking the NORJAK case with me but I’ll still be involved with it if the need arises.”
The really important thing about Ckret making this move is that it will help him with a health issue he has been experiencing for the last eight-years. You see… Larry has something called CGD (Clinical Grits Deficiency).
While in Seattle, gulping down Starbuck’s and Seattle’s Best coffee, he was ignoring his body’s natural need for Grits in his diet. CGD causes your speech to become rapid and clipped, your natural pace to speed up, and it makes you rude and impatient with others.
So, now, after eight-years, he will be able to have grits with his breakfast every morning and hence restore his health. In little or no time, he will be talking slower, moving at a snail's-pace, and displaying the “patience of Job” when dealing with difficult personal interactions.
Heck, maybe after eight-years in the South (capital ‘S’, he (and every member of his family) will be able to explain on TV what the tornado sounded like.
I can just see and hear it now, Larry, standing in his pajama’s saying; “Id went whooo-ooo-ooo… jus’ lik one-o-them freight trains, I ne’er hear’d ana thang lik it since one o’ them B-1 Bum’ers landed at the ar fors base ov’r yonder!”
Good Luck to Ckret!
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Now, wasn’t that special?QuoteB P H R S H W?
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Already knew about Carr. I made copies of every email I sent to him. I will be sure that someone else at the FBI has them - because I really believe he is saving them so he can someday say "I found this" or "I found that". I do NOT believe he made those emails and phone calls available to his superiors or to others in the FBI.
I remember how the forum found the D.B.Cooper Comics? Carr goes on record (officially) as having found this - rather than giving credit due where credit was due - the DZ forum. If I didn't like him before - that public statement was reason to. I don't trust him on little bit.
I sent him things about Duane's past and the made Poo out of them. Two items I sent him have now been documented. Would it ever behoove the FBI to admit they made a mistake in the investigation of Weber....? I know the answer to that one.
Yes, I sound bitter and I am bitter -because I put the information in his lap. No, they don't prove Duane was Cooper but, added to the multiple list of co-incidences. Now there are other things popping - but, none of these are verified - YET!
Seems like an FBI agent who is assigned the Cooper Case or other individuals who do indept investigations into Weber - get high security jobs in Washington D.C. Just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.
I TRUST NO ONE ANYMORE.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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Now, wasn’t that special?QuoteB P H R S H W?
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Already knew about Carr. I made copies of every email I sent to him. I will be sure that someone else at the FBI has them - because I really believe he is saving them so he can someday say "I found this" or "I found that". I do NOT believe he made those emails and phone calls available to his superiors or to others in the FBI.
I remember how the forum found the D.B.Cooper Comics? Carr goes on record (officially) as having found this - rather than giving credit due where credit was due - the DZ forum. If I didn't like him before - that public statement was reason to. I don't trust him on little bit.
I sent him things about Duane's past and the made Poo out of them. Two items I sent him have now been documented. Would it ever behoove the FBI to admit they made a mistake in the investigation of Weber....? I know the answer to that one.
Yes, I sound bitter and I am bitter -because I put the information in his lap. No, they don't prove Duane was Cooper but, added to the multiple list of co-incidences. Now there are other things popping - but, none of these are verified - YET!
Seems like an FBI agent who is assigned the Cooper Case or other individuals who do indept investigations into Weber - get high security jobs in Washington D.C. Just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.
I TRUST NO ONE ANYMORE.
You probably think this song is about YOU!
Dohn-chew!
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"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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QuoteOrange one.What is an average amount of gold that a mine could produce in a day and be profitible. Jerry
sorry for the delay... i'm actually on the east coast at the moment :)
jerry, the answer is, "it depends"; it depends on a combination of what the current gold price is and the cost structure of the mine. in south africa for example, most of the mines are deep level and are very mature, so you have to go a long way down and the ore that is left is generally quite low grade - so you have to take out a lot of rock for a relatively small amount of gold. cost of labour, electricrty and water are all critical, and all these will differ by country and often even by mine. a mine where gold was nearer the surface and in richer seams would obviously need to mine lessore to break even.
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486f7720646f20796f75206b6e6f773f
bits from one and hexadecs from another. Must be old coders hangin out here. I remember toggling instructions in bit by bit from front panel switches. The skydiving gear back in the day was just as primitive.
Jo, you have never trusted anyone here. You've always spoken in riddles and cyphers.
As for Carr, I hope things work out well in DC. I was worried Jo hurt his career but obviously she didn't.
I got a chuckle out of Georger quoting Carley Simon.
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QuoteQuote4a 75 73 74 20 6d 79 20 62 65 73 74 20 67 75 65 73 73 2e 20 20 41 20 6c 6f 74 20 6f 66 20 74 68 69 6e 67 73 20 69 6e 74 72 69 67 75 65 20 6d 65 20 61 62 6f 75 74 20 68 69 6d 2e 20 20 48 65 20 77 61 73 20 69 6e 20 50 6f 72 74 6c 61 6e 64 20 69 6e 20 74 68 65 20 64 61 79 73 20 6c 65 61 64 69 6e 67 20 75 70 20 74 68 65 20 74 68 65 20 48 69 6a 61 63 6b 69 6e 67 2e 2e 2e 2e 41 74 20 6c 65 61 73 74 20 69 74 20 63 61 6e 20 62 65 20 65 73 74 61 62 6c 69 73 68 65 64 20 74 68 61 74 20 68 65 20 77 61 73 20 69 6e 20 74 68 65 20 72 69 67 68 74 20 73 70 6f 74 2e
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3.1415926535897932384626433832795 ...
2.7182818284590452353602874713526 ...
1.6180339887498948482073824974627 ...
1.7320508075688772935274463415059 ...
9.9498743710661995473447982103010
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QuotePI, Square roots and Fibonacci Progressions... Interesting G. Can you explain what the Fibonacci Progressions are all about?
You nailed it pretty much. Pi, Euler's Number, The Golden Ratio (a Fibonacci Progression), and unresolvable irrational numbers of which the last
several idigits of the last serie are out of sequence and nonsense meant to test the depth of your mutual knowledge base -
When I saw your numbers I was surprised (and
delighted) so I responded with irrational numbers wondering what your response (if any) would be -
a kind of communication test.
You and I have just given a real example of what two intelligent civilisations might exchange in order to signify an opportunity for communicating. We obviously share some common understanding of
the world.
I dont expect anyone but you & I to understand what I am saying here - but we obviously share
some common knowledge (and aliens might be now informing their respective world's of a discovery!).
All because of your original message transmitted (number progressions) I received yestereday. So: "Hello! How's the weather there on Coopertino?"
Is Seth reading this? No. (Similar experiments in basic conversation have been tried in the past)
Send me the ratios which establish the physical parameters of your world if you wish further
communication. 3.14159... is a start. Unfortunately
the script available does not transmit my base
formulae so I will have to result to number ratios -
Truth value Range =
01 = T
10 = F
00 = not (T or F)
SQ/00 = .5000000000000T IFF SQ/2 NOT = 01
OK?
Additional:
H serie 97.0% 3>2 656.3
4>2 486.1
5>2 434.1
6>2 410.2
7>2 397.0
8>2 388.9
9>2 383.5
I>2 364.6 S= 3520.7000000000000=01
Give me yours .....
Cooper Ratios by event ~ .............................
Flight Path/TL ratios by segment ~ ...................
Money~FP/TL ratios by time segment ~ ............
Money locations = 3/[Xn............]
Money locations vrs. FP Opportunity (express as Pn)
Let me try this out:
PN = N* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fe x L/Tg
Are you interested?
This is what Safecracking tried to say but could not
articulate, so here it is (above) in proper
formalistic form. Ratios and irrational numbers can have real meaning when properly applied.
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Have a nice day:
[edit] Snowman is probably crapping his drawers.
Sluggo asking: Can this be real!? Tom Kaye =
damnit I missed it. I hope I have wetted a few appetites.
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QuotePI, Square roots and Fibonacci Progressions... Interesting G. Can you explain what the Fibonacci Progressions are all about?
Φ The Fibonacci Numbers are widely known all over the world, regardless of religion or ideological affiliation. Many natural phenomena develop in proportions which follow the Fibonacci Series (or Fibonacci progressions). The Fibonacci progression
is omnipresent in Nature, indeed in the Universe.
For example, the rabbits multiply in a Fibonacci progression, atomic behavior follows a Fibonacci
progression resulting in the five basic architectural patterns known in Nature, etc. The Fibonacci series has its origin in the cycles of natural phenomenon
and where the Fibonacci progression fails some
modified version of a progression succeeds, in
some time scale dimension.
See: http://saliu.com/Fibonacci.html
Did the flight path of NWA #305 follow a Fibonacci
progression? See Sluggo's NWA FP map aattached-
Look at the NWA map. What kind of progression(s)
does it convey?
If we assume a Fibonacci progression, what does that imply about the 'data' which were used to
construct the map? If part of the data was radar data, what does a F-progression imply or require of the radar tracking (stations - assimilation of radar plots from different vectors)?. If we distort the
NWA map to a west vrs east longitude how does
that fit with the underlying assumption of a
F-progression set from different bases? I am
speaking numerically here when I use the term
"bases"(Farflung said he thought the FP followed
a predictable progression of some kind... and he
specified several of his criteria).
The nice thing about F-progressions is you can
weight the progressions according to a set of
Probabiliuty assumptions. (Economists and Physicists do this all the time). If the progression fails to predict or conform with observed facts, then the assumptions underlying the progression are changed..
Example: Tosaw concluded that nothing happens
just once in nature. To Tosaw, one instance of
money at T-bar implied money somewhere else
also. But Tosaw never found other money at other
locations. How is this explained by a single
F-progression?
What facts of the money find at T-bar conform with
an F-progression. If the money at T-bar conforms
to any progression what other (undocumented)
facts are implied that also conform with the Tosaw
results? ... or with the Kaye analysis?
I'll let you mull this over. This isnt a criticism of
anyone, just an observation. {I have inserted a "U" in Sluggo's NWA-FBI map where it belongs ...}
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I'll let you mull this over. This isnt a criticism of
anyone, just an observation. {I have inserted a "U" in Sluggo's NWA-FBI map where it belongs ...}
I didn't see this map - Please explain what all the different Points mean - just for general information or reference the post I have missed that details the points. There are others like myself who have not followed the maps but interested in this U of yours and the system you used.
Please simplify some of it for those of us who are not accustome to reading this kind of map.
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I'll let you mull this over. This isnt a criticism of
anyone, just an observation. {I have inserted a "U" in Sluggo's NWA-FBI map where it belongs ...}
I didn't see this map - Please explain what all the different Points mean - just for general information or reference the post I have missed that details the points. There are others like myself who have not followed the maps but interested in this U of yours and the system you used.
Please simplify some of it for those of us who are not accustome to reading this kind of map.
see and read attached -
NWA prepared this map to assist the FBI searching
for Cooper. NWA and others thought Cooper bailed at Point A, and landed somewhere along line A-B. That was the basis for the search at Merwin Lake.
Quotesee and read attached -
NWA prepared this map to assist the FBI searching
for Cooper. NWA and others thought Cooper bailed at Point A, and landed somewhere along line A-B. That was the basis for the search at Merwin Lake.
Thank You. I am sure I am not the only Simple Simon who read this forum and couldn't figure out what the Points meant and where they are.
Is there some way to chart all of those points on a map that shows towns and roads? I am sure this has been done, but remember I am just a "dumb blonde".
1. Two Power lines going South in almost paralel lines and becoming closer to gether as they approach the Columbia.
2. Southwest of Bald Mountain a unidentified Landing Strip,
3. Another landing stip near Charter Oaks. Would these Landing Stips have lights?
4. At King Corner West of the DZ is a converging of pipelines...with a leg going to Whipple Creek.
5. The pipe line crosses the power line South East of Dollar Corner and far West of Battleground.
NOTE: It is at this point there are several convergences of pipelines and power lines (an excellent siting point if Cooper was able to see them and was familiar with the area.).
6. At this point the Eastern most power line and the Pipe line cross is between Dollar corner and Battleground.
7. Just below the converging of the Power line and Pipeline is the "Hat" thing (can never remember the technical word for it). This "hat" is West of Meadow Glade.
8. As the area approaches Brush Praire the Power line has to cross a rail road track which goes into the Western section of the Fourth Plaines crossing over Orchards into Vancouver.
9. Another marker is the Scholls airport with was supposedly right under the 727. Of course we all know there waa another landing strip East of this area and not part of the airport.
10. Both of these powerlines intersect between Orchards and the Hazel Dell area (out of the possible LZ).
The map is a 1979 1:100 000-scale metric topographic map compliled from USGS 1:24 000 and 1:62 5000 dated 1953- 1978. Planemetry revised from aerial photograpsh taken in 1975.
This is a U.S. Geologial Surve map for sale yrs ago in Denver, Co and Reston, Virginia.
I have never found out who sent me this map in 2001 after my trip to WA. The driver (an off duty law enforcement agent provided me with a map, but I don't think it was this one). I believe this one arrived by mail after I got home....when I voiced my frustration over Jerry telling me none of the stuff Duane showed me existed and this map also shows the LaCames / Washougal area.
Just a dumb Blonde with an old map and her memory of a trip made in 1979.......the map was NOT acquired until AFTER my trip in 2001.
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Just a dumb Blonde with an old map and her memory of a trip made in 1979.......the map was NOT acquired until AFTER my trip in 2001.
Sluggo worked with you. He must know what map
you have? Sluggo Monster?
As for your driver you say was an off duty law enforcement "agent" if you can pass the name to
Sluggo Monster I can in turn tell him exactly who that was. I assume you are talking about a LE
person in Portland, but that really does not matter.
The name is all I require, even just a first name or nickname, initials ... photo?
QuoteSluggo worked with you. He must know what map
you have? Sluggo Monster?
No Sluggo did not provide this map - I had it before I ever met Sluggo about 2 1/2 yrs ago although I had communicated with him by email for several yrs.
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QuoteAs for your driver you say was an off duty law enforcement "agent" if you can pass the name to
Sluggo Monster I can in turn tell him exactly who that was. I assume you are talking about a LE person in Portland, but that really does not matter.
The name is all I require, even just a first name or nickname, initials ... photo?
I will provide that only to an FBI agent of record. Carr had the name and the phone number. He was not out of Portland and was related to one of the women. He was undercover at that time and sacrificed a day with his children to chauffeur me around with 3 other women. He knew the areas well - the area he was going to take me too was the same as the TV Crew did...but we all know my story about the Angel Udell and the directions she gave me which I shared with this "driver".
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Shoot! Had to come back to edit this thing because I forgot why I came into make a post.
Blevins made a picture available in his book that I had not seen. Since he did NOT credit his source for the picture - I can only guess at the Source which was probably the Reno News. Remember, Georger (you) making an issue out of the ears on the little girl versus Tina. Well, look closely at the picture of Tina Mucklow in the picture Blevins made available and my picture of the little girl whose photo was in that old book Duane coveted - yet, it DID NOT belong to any member of Duane's family because of the yr, it was published - they were already deceased...and his sister who was the only other candidate (NO resemblance what-so-ever).
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QuoteSluggo worked with you. He must know what map
you have? Sluggo Monster?
No Sluggo did not provide this map - I had it before I ever met Sluggo about 2 1/2 yrs ago although I had communicated with him by email for several yrs.
================QuoteAs for your driver you say was an off duty law enforcement "agent" if you can pass the name to
Sluggo Monster I can in turn tell him exactly who that was. I assume you are talking about a LE person in Portland, but that really does not matter.
The name is all I require, even just a first name or nickname, initials ... photo?
I will provide that only to an FBI agent of record. Carr had the name and the phone number. He was not out of Portland and was related to one of the women. He was undercover at that time and sacrificed a day with his children to chauffeur me around with 3 other women. He knew the areas well - the area he was going to take me too was the same as the TV Crew did...but we all know my story about the Angel Udell and the directions she gave me which I shared with this "driver".
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Shoot! Had to come back to edit this thing because I forgot why I came into make a post.
Blevins made a picture available in his book that I had not seen. Since he did NOT credit his source for the picture - I can only guess at the Source which was probably the Reno News. Remember, Georger (you) making an issue out of the ears on the little girl versus Tina. Well, look closely at the picture of Tina Mucklow in the picture Blevins made available and my picture of the little girl whose photo was in that old book Duane coveted - yet, it DID NOT belong to any member of Duane's family because of the yr, it was published - they were already deceased...and his sister who was the only other candidate (NO resemblance what-so-ever).
Sounds like you are all set up to go -
So now you do trust the FBI!? (I will provide that only to an FBI agent of record. Carr had the name and the phone number. )
You sure change your mind a lot.
All I get to do is look at cows -
I hate cows.
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Sounds like you are all set up to go -
So now you do trust the FBI!? (I will provide that only to an FBI agent of record. Carr had the name and the phone number. )
You sure change your mind a lot.
All I get to do is look at cows -
I hate cows.
Georger it does not necessarily need to be FBI - after all the FBI is not and will not do anything with it. Remember I do not have a contact number for you and do not know who you really are.
Somethings are not meant to be discussed in a forum.
I hated to milk cows - because they always kicked over the bucket. Loved squirting the milk at the barn yard cats and there was a small pan we filled for them to drink. Didn't want to feed them too much after all their job was to keep down the mouse and rat population.
My favorite 'Big Tom" died under the pear tree next to the smoke house - he had been rattlesnake bit - beautiful LARGE Orange Tabby...but he made it to his favorite place before he died. I have not been attached to a cat since. I was about 14 yrs old and it seemed like 'Big Tom" had been around since I could remember. I will always remember how swollen his paw was as he lie there dying and there was nothing I could do for him.
'Big Tom' was wild and would never let anyone come near him The closest I ever got to him was milking the cow and when he was dying...The pear tree was the closest he would ever came to the house...he always kept his distance. I expect he confronted the rattler under the smoke house or in the garden - God forbid it was in the OUT house only used by workhands and my father... occasionally by others unable to wait their turn for the bathroom. Yes, we kept old Sears Catalogues in there.
And there in a nutshell is your whole case and
your whole involvement in this Cooper matter;
from beginning to end.
But you have a lot of company.
Its just too bad none of them can talk outside
their circles of delusion!
Good luck.
DID you ever think about WHY some did NOT pursue this with the FBI and why they chose to step away? I will give you PART of the answer - because they were not only chastized by the FBI - their information was fragmented as was the uncollective knowledge of the investigative agents - assigned to interview them about their subject or suspect.
[Blue]Information collected by a local site is then reported to an agent who is assigned the Cooper case. The case agents never had the time to try to put it all together and treated each one as a separate claim rather than Collectively.
What needs to be done now is bring ALL of these individuals together - for several days (with each agreeing to put aside their own personal agenda). They need to see and talk to each other face to face and provide pictures or any documentation they may have acquired.
What will happen when you get ALL of these individuals together with each agreeing to be open minded - will be absolution of the Cooper Case. The alternative is as you suggested Georger (we are all delusional).
The only reason I am able to put some things together is because I am about 15 yrs younger than others who may still be living who made claims with the FBI about Cooper. Combined - my age and personal interest in the Cooper case and the fact that now the internet is a prevalent means of communication and sharing of information - is the ONLY reason why I have made connections ignored by other for yrs. This does not make me or any of the others delusional. Each of us held a fragment - but when the fragments are collected and put together (a giant puzzle) it takes someone to put all of these pieces in place.
If the FBI did what I have done and brought together 4 sources who are still living - they will find a common thread among them and their story (not things known to the media). It is fortunate some of these individuals are under 80.....
B P H R S H W?