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Bruce said:
-This is about what I suspected, and previously posted. That leaves one to wonder what Mr. X,
Burnworth, and Galen Cook are up to. On the other hand children often build myths for missing or deficient significant others
Bruce - I have to agree. Since Burnworth didn't check out - it could have been "planted" information to see if anyone would take the "bait". There have been worse things done in the Cooper research and efforts to discredit others in search of Cooper. It was known by Cook and others that I was looking for a SLC pilot - and one was provided with a background that could have crossed with that of Weber...I never made an attempt to contact Burnworth, but it was worth the effort regardless of the results.
I was curious about him because of the life style and his being a SLC pilot. Maybe the lead was sincere and maybe it was a cast off others did not think significant - only time will tell. What surpised me was the eagerness of his daughter and I got the drift from your posting of the conversation that she thought her father was Cooper or did I miss read that. This did NOT correspond with the conversation you had with her father as he said he didn't know who Cooper was.
The motive Burnworth gave for the Cooper Set-up was WAY OUT - I didn't buy that at all....that is when "No Way" started flashing for me. The stated motive was a "Red Light".
“Into the Blast, The True Story of DB Cooper”
I spoke with Robert Blevins for about 20-30 minutes on the Memorial Day Weekend, 2010.
Robert seemed to be guarded, initially. His first words to me were: “It’s okay with me if you tape this.”
That mind-set had been revealed earlier when I read his web site and learned of his efforts to achieve absolute security when he conducted his interviews and wrote his book. He was afraid that the FBI would take all of his notes and shut down his project.
However, over time, my conversation with Robert warmed up, but the initial stages were filled with many pauses.
Overall, Robert Blevins has only a modest understanding of the DB Cooper case. In fact, he has very little knowledge of much of what is in the book, and as a result he is unable to expand or explain in greater detail many elements of the book. Frequently, when I asked a question, Robert would say, “Oh, Skipp Porteous knows that – he did the interview.”
In reality, Robert was more like an editor of Porteous’ transcripts than a writer in the customary sense of the word. However, he did conduct a few interviews on his own, primarily with the Mike, Dawn and Katie characters, and the current owners of the former Christianson property in Bonney Lake, WA.
Apparently, Porteous, a private investigator in New York City, did copious amounts of investigatory work to find all these people and their addresses, and to verify corroborative information, such as determining the various owners of the Christianson property in Bonney Lake and obtaining the details regarding the bag of $2,000 in 20s found in a stump pile.
When I asked if I could interview these individuals, Robert gave a curious answer. He told me that the characters had indicated to him that they would be open to the idea of speaking with other researchers and journalists, but he said that he wanted to protect them and would not release their contact information. He said he wanted to spare them the “onslaught” or words to that effect.
Nevertheless, I asked him to pass on my contact information to them along with my invitation to call me, and he said he would.
Robert also said that he and Porteous did not speak directly with Tina Mucklow, and only communicated with a “family intermediary.” He said that Tina was unable to speak with journalists and researchers because it would be “too upsetting.” Nevertheless, he characterized Tina’s health and well-being as “fine.” He also said that she “has a normal life – family and kids and all that.”
Indicative of Robert’s paucity of knowledge in the DB Cooper case, Robert was surprised to learn that Tina had been in a convent for 12 years. He had thought the stories of Tina being a nun were false.
Robert also does not seem to have any substantive knowledge of the works of Calame, Tosaw or Himmelsbach, and seemed unfamiliar with information provided by Captain Bohan on the wind speed and direction, and other similar details pertaining to the flight path and jump.
Robert also seemed very comfortable with what he considers the FBI’s officially stated metrics on weather, wind speed and direction, and does not appear eager to entertain conflicting information, even if it comes from a former FBI official.
However, Robert is very familiar with Richard McCoy’s age of 29 in 1971, and spoke with incredulity about how the FBI could consider a suspect so wildly out of the reported age range of “mid-to-late forties.”
As for the book’s statement that Captain Scott left the cockpit and sat next to Cooper to ascertain the reality of the bomb, Robert said that he got that from Porteous, who got it from Bill Rataczak in a taped phone conversation.
Robert has not visited or communicated with Florence Schaffner, nor has Skipp, apparently, yet, although Robert said Porteous would in the future. Robert says they are comfortable with the information provided by Geoff Gray in his New York Magazine piece, where Florence says the picture Gray showed her of Christianson is the closest she has seen, yet, of DB Cooper.
Robert does not have a DNA profile of Kenny Christianson. In addition, he claimed that the FBI doesn’t have any viable DNA samples of DB Cooper, stating that the Bourbon cup and the cigarette butts were mis-handled too severely to provide a viable sample of genetic material. Robert said he got this information from Skipp.
When asked why the FBI ruled out Christianson, Robert said it was because of disparities in the height and eye color.
Robert told me that Kenny’s driver’s license says that KC was 5’8” and 170 pounds, with hazel eyes, “whatever color that is,” added Robert.
Later, though, Robert characterized Kenny as “lying” on his driver’s license, adding, “I don’t know why he would lie.”
Robert said that Kenny was taller than 5’8” and probably closer to six-foot tall, based on two pictures. One, taken with his father, Kenny stands an inch taller than his 5’11” dad. Also, in the picture of Kenny walking in the doorway of his home a few days after the skyjacking with a briefcase and paper sack, Robert says the measurements of the door frame and the placement of Kenny in the picture show him to be “about six-feet tall.” Robert says he has verified this by measuring the actual door frame.
Robert also provided some original and interesting information. He said that Kenny Christianson worked for Northwest Orient Airlines, part-time, until 1993.
Further, the Christianson family seems circumspect about the possibility of Kenny being DB Cooper.
“Some don’t care, others are embarrassed,” said Robert.
Robert also said the free PDF version of “Into the Blast” will be “around for awhile.”
He spoke convincingly that his work is about finding the truth.
“It’s not about the money at all. It’s about the truth.”
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Janet, who was in the passenger seat, looked up just as the car was backing out of the driveway and saw a light pass overhead. A platform or ladder below a plane caught her eye.
WE CAN'T have it both ways! Which is it. Reports say the weather was shitty, clouds and Cooper could not see the ground except for breaks in the clouds here and there. Now this lady stated she could see the steps at 10-12K at night while setting in a Datson and see the flares leave the plane. I throw the BS flag, but the problem is which is truth and which is fiction???? HHHMMMM!!!??!?!?!? anyone concour????
I haven't been keeping up with this thread the way I used to, but I have to chime in here.
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's no way she could have been able to pick out a person standing on the lowered rear stairs from 10k.
I spend way too much time looking up at a Cessna 182 at 10,000 feet. With years of practice, under optimum conditions, I can tell when the door is opened (hinged at the top, the inside of the door is black, the bottom of the wing is white). The inexperienced spectators need to be guided to the plane (I bring them under the opened hangar door and use it as a reference) and they often refuse to believe that I can see that the door is opened.
At night, in cloudy weather, with a darkened cabin...
With little or no experience looking for opened doors on planes.
Yeah, riiiiiight.

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
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"What I saw was flames and thought I saw something on the platform which could have been a person," Janet said.
I say NO WAY on the accuracy Janet's alleged sighting of a "platform, ladder, person" or any other structural detail on the 727 that night.
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Jumpers have a lot of experience looking at exits from jumpships. No jumper would give Janet's visual account of aircraft detail any credibility, especially given the altitude and conditions.
Her flare trajectory account is a bit more interesting to me because she allegedly described an arcing descent path. That's what you would see and it's not intuitive to most non aviation people.
The "flames" part makes no sense. A road flare would be seen as a bright red point source of light.
66.6 % of Janet's story appears to be BS... hmmmm. What are the chances the rest is true?
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georger 247
Janet, who was in the passenger seat, looked up just as the car was backing out of the driveway and saw a light pass overhead. A platform or ladder below a plane caught her eye.
WE CAN'T have it both ways! Which is it. Reports say the weather was shitty, clouds and Cooper could not see the ground except for breaks in the clouds here and there. Now this lady stated she could see the steps at 10-12K at night while setting in a Datson and see the flares leave the plane. I throw the BS flag, but the problem is which is truth and which is fiction???? HHHMMMM!!!??!?!?!? anyone concour????
I haven't been keeping up with this thread the way I used to, but I have to chime in here.
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's no way she could have been able to pick out a person standing on the lowered rear stairs from 10k.
I spend way too much time looking up at a Cessna 182 at 10,000 feet. With years of practice, under optimum conditions, I can tell when the door is opened (hinged at the top, the inside of the door is black, the bottom of the wing is white). The inexperienced spectators need to be guided to the plane (I bring them under the opened hangar door and use it as a reference) and they often refuse to believe that I can see that the door is opened.
At night, in cloudy weather, with a darkened cabin...
With little or no experience looking for opened doors on planes.
Yeah, riiiiiight.![]()
The physics supports you.
again from several pages back:
"
The physical facts of human vision remain the
same, regardless of anyone's story: * Angular resolution: about 0.02°-0.03°), which corresponds
to 30–60 cm at a 1 km distance = 0.625mi = 3300ft.
Translated this means that people with normal vision
can usually resolve objects no closer apart than
30-60cm (1-2 feet) at a distance of 3300 feet or
1 km. (see Wiki Vision Acuity; other sources
convey the same standard data on human vision)."
attached -
[a camera may be considered a perfect eye]
[edit] The problem is: the physics requires Jan's report was of a plane below 10,000 feet and more likely 2500 feet or less.
And secondly, Jan's was not the only report of
this kind which surfaced by 1972. That is documented
fact.
Stories like Jan's are of the type which one might expect after a highly publicised hijacking of this nature (in your own back yard). Lots of Washingtons
and Oregonians surfaced with all kinds of "stories"
and "claims" following the highjacking. Obviously not all made into the news. Jan's apparently didnt. Norma's didnt. Emma's didnt. Evene a few LE people
surfaced with stories ....
all of which proves, we have only scratched the surface of the Cooper hijacking. Imagine for one moment the catalog of stories and anecdotes LE
and the FBI could tell! They could write a book!
(did I say that again?)
[edit] one story I want to hear more about is the
story from the woman in Washington who said
'they all listened to flight #305 on their radio'.
Finally distance and interferenece washed out
the signal. This story was mentioned in this
forum, once long ago. The story involves multiple
witnesses some of whom may still be alive.

too!

Meanwhile, the "Coopre researchers and book writers" (whoever ithey are!) would have
you believe there is some some secret information
or some edge on this case only they have, and never mind the thousands of people from professionals to lay-people who actually had some real part of this case, unimagined and real as it actually happened.
Why in that context was Cooper never found?
Why did the man pick the name Cooper?
What was the real flight path and drop zone?
How did the money get to Tina Bar?
The Cooper hijacking happened in the real world.
I think its time to start reminding ourselves of that
small fact in order to avoid more of the same
old unproductive nonsense people have dispensing
and trying to sell ...
Why in that context was Cooper never found?

Why did the man pick the name Cooper?

What was the real flight path and drop zone?
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How did the money get to Tina Bar?

***The Cooper hijacking happened in the real world.
I think its time to start reminding ourselves of that
small fact in order to avoid more of the same old unproductive nonsense people are dispensing
and trying to sell ...[/quote


Sorry Georger



PS. WHY doesn't someone post a picture of a plane 2000 ft, and 3000 ft and so forth - surely such pictures exist in this arena of skydivers. Surely there are many examples of such within this forum taken from the ground. Be interesting to see even though they would be on sunny clear days - but it might help some of us determine just how much could an individual on the ground actually see on that night.
Perhaps a picture of a 727 could be simulated at the various elevations - would be an interesting thing to see just how much detail could be seen at all of the possible elevations.
Today I was bored and did something I have NEVER done.
I went to Sluggo's site and viewed the media articles he had.
Something I never wanted to do was to contaminate my memory by reading about other skyjackings...and did little research in that manner other than McCoy and Coffelt. ( I have never read the book written about McCoy). My research has been trying to validate the past of one Duane L. Weber.
I was disappointed because a news video had been removed...and wondered what Sluggo meant by "only thing on the plane shredded". Was that referring to the aft stair well? Some of you I am sure viewed it when it was available.
Reading all of the various articles about prior skyjackings - I think I did the right thing by NOT doing this several yrs ago...
Seriously...it was a good thing - my not being exposed to the information about prior skyjackings. A few of the Cooper articles I had read - but isolated myself from articles about prior skyjackings - to avoid faulting my memories. Now I am glad I did. (A couple of them I had read before because they had been sent to me or I accidentally stumbled into them).
Sluggo asked if anyone spotted the myths and facts. The fact vesus myth thing regarding the Skyjacking was happening way back then - so I ask this question. IS part of WHAT we think or know as FACT a reporting error or incorrect information (the creation of a Myth) that made it into the FACT category during the past 37 plus yrs?
georger 247
AMENDMENT NO.llll TO STOLEN HONOR ACT
Calendar No.lll
Purpose: To prohibit the fraudulent representation of military service to obtain employment or other benefits.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES—111th Cong., 2d Sess.
H. R. 4899
Making emergency supplemental appropriations for disaster relief and summer jobs for the fiscal year ending Sep- tember 30, 2010, and for other purposes.
Referred to the Committee onllllllllll and
ordered to be printed
Ordered to lie on the table and to be printed
AMENDMENTintended to be proposed by Mr. HATCH
Viz:
On page 81, between lines 22 and 23, insert the fol-
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lowing:
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PROHIBITION ON FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATION OF
MILITARY SERVICE TO OBTAIN EMPLOYMENT OR
OTHER BENEFITS
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SEC. 3008. (a) CRIMINALOFFENSE.—Section 704 of
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title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the
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end the following new subsection:
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‘‘(c) FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATION OF MILITARY
SERVICE OR AFFILIATION.—Whoever knowingly makes a fraudulent statement . . .
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: Tues June 01 2010
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) is attempting to amend the 2005 Stolen Honor Act, which criminalized false claims of military service, in order to seek False gain by fraud.
Sen. Orrin Hatch’s (R-Utah) bill would make it illegal to air misleading public statements about anyone’s military service or the service of another ...
Hatch's amendment defines an offender as "whoever knowingly makes a fraudulent statement or representation, verbally or in writing, regarding the military service of any citizen of the United States vis-a-vis service in the United States Armed Forces, including but not limited to, participation in combat operations, or affiliation with United States Armed Forces, for the purpose of gaining recognition, honorarium, official office or
titles, a position of authority, or any other fraudulent purpose seeking gain or recognition or recompense."
[edit] Sen Hatch's bill has strong support from a cross section of the American public and organisations. Sen Hatch's bill would cover instances
of fraudulent assertions of military service occurring
on the internet.
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