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Cooper was reportedly keeping himself out of sight in the rear part of the aircraft during most of the time it was on the ground in Seattle.
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Cooper may never have seen the specific control panel for the operation of the stairs that was on the NWA aircraft. If the stairs were going to be routinely lowered in flight, it may well have had a control panel with more capability, switches, etc.
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What does your local in-house expert or the flight manuals say to do if the rear stairs come unlocked accidentally during high speed cruise flight?
Hey Jo, When you gonna send us all some tar balls from the beach?
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QuoteWhat does your local in-house expert or the flight manuals say to do if the rear stairs come unlocked accidentally during high speed cruise flight?
The manual says ZERO about in flight stair deployment. Not even a hint.
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There had to be many manuals forQuoteQuoteWhat does your local in-house expert or the flight manuals say to do if the rear stairs come unlocked accidentally during high speed cruise flight?
The manual says ZERO about in flight stair deployment. Not even a hint.
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the 727 used by different parties? Its almost inconceivable that the flight crew (including a flight engineer) wouldnt know something about the operation of the rear door & stairs.
I know exactly what sentiment Orange is expressing in her read of the transcript. The flight crew seems
totally uninformed and in need of help?. Dont forget
this crew also had to get escape instructions (ideas)
from the outside -
Every time we go over these things I have the feeling we are missing important context - maybe
the facts were a lot simpler.
Maybe except for basic flight ops they didnt know the plane? (Just bus drivers). That could account for
them not knowing where they were at 8:15 either!
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G wrote:
I have manuals for the same series of aircraft issued by different airlines. They are nearly identical differing only on company specific items. The airlines and the military don't write the manuals from
scratch. The mfr supplies the system diagrams, photos, explanatory text, troubleshooting guides etc. The customer adds and edits as needed to cover their particular configuration.
A 727 FE would know all about the door deployment system but without air test data he'd have no idea whether it could be safely opened in flight. There is nothing in manuals that say ANYTHING about flying with the ventral stairs deployed.
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QuoteThere had to be many manuals for
the 727 used by different parties? Its almost inconceivable that the flight crew (including a flight engineer) wouldnt know something about the operation of the rear door & stairs.
I have manuals for the same series of aircraft issued by different airlines. They are nearly identical differing only on company specific items. The airlines and the military don't write the manuals from
scratch. The mfr supplies the system diagrams, photos, explanatory text, troubleshooting guides etc. The customer adds and edits as needed to cover their particular configuration.
A 727 FE would know all about the door deployment system but without air test data he'd have no idea whether it could be safely opened in flight. There is nothing in manuals that say ANYTHING about flying with the ventral stairs deployed.
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If Weber knew about it, what does that tell you?
Is it covered in any of Bernard Fall's works?
I dont think it was any BIG secret.
Why did Cooper want Tina to open the door?
Couldnt he have done it himself. In the end
they worked together to get it open? So much for
intimate knowledge of the rear stairs and door ?
Georger you have to be tipping the bottle tonight. Read what you just posted.
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QuoteHey Jo, When you gonna send us all some tar balls from the beach?
Here is one - YUCK!
Hope you didn't catch that one.
If the weather is decent tomorrow I will go over and take some pictures - but I have NEVER used the digital camera my husband gave me - I can take a picture and view it on the camera, but don't have a clue how to get it on the computer and send it.
It rained ALL day today and that kept me home - NOT even sure I actually want to see it with my own eyes..........and this is only the beginning.
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Interview with Marianne Scott Lincoln re- listening to
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I had two fasciating interviews over the weeks that reveal a possible whole new wrinkle in the DB Cooper story that could change everything, at least as how I understand the basic story line.
Here's what I got:
Interview with Marianne Scott Lincoln, August 8, 9, 2009.
Marianne Scott Lincoln is currently running for the School Board in a Pierce County WA district, and I interviewed her for the local newspaper. In the course of our conversation we began talking about my work on the DB Cooper case.
When I mentioned that DB Cooper had demanded $200,000, Marianne interjected and said adamantly, “Not he didn’t. He asked for $400,000 at first."
Startled, I asked her how she knew that.
“I know because I was listening to the radio transmissions from the cockpit to Sea-Tac tower.”
Here’s Marianne’s story.
The DB Cooper skyjacking was underway as she got home from school. Marianne was 14 years old at the time, and lived with her family in a home at Shady Acres Airport in Spanaway, WA. The home was right on the runway and had a hangar. Her family had several aircraft and was part of a very active and large flying community.
When Marianne got home that day she went straight to her father’s workshop in the hangar and turned on his VHF radio. She called family friends at the Thun Field Tower (Pierce County Airport, now) and got the radio frequency for the Sea-Tac Tower.
She tuned in and listened for the next four hours.
At first the transmission were garbled as the Tower had many flights to re-direct, but within 10-20 minutes the radio chatter quieted and for the next few hours she just listened to the transmissions: one voice from the plane (Rataczak’s), and one voice from the Tower.
She said that the plane voice relayed the message that Cooper wanted $400,000. She said that a series of negotiations began then and the radio transmissions were brief and had long pauses of empty quiet. She could only hear one side of the discussion, meaning that the plane voice relayed information back to Cooper or whomever on the plane, then reported back to the Tower. She never heard any of the discussions.
The Tower voice in turn was reporting to others in the Tower, who discussed counter-offers, and the Tower voice then reported the offer to the plane voice. At no time did the plane voice and the Tower voice participate in the negotiations or discussion. They merely acted as mouth-pieces for others.
Marianne never heard what the others were saying, either in the Tower or on the plane.
Also, at no time did anyone from the FBI or CIA get on the radio, as far as Marianne heard.
Marianne listened for hours and said it often got boring. She turned on a TV set and had a second source of information coming in. Her father (named William Scott, BTW, another piece of synchronicity!) also came in, as did a couple other family members.
Marianne doesn’t fully remember if she was still listening when 305 took off from Sea-Tac at 7:30, or when Cooper jumped in the 8:10-8:30 time frame. She thinks she was, but she was also eating dinner with her family, listening to family discussion about Cooper and their speculations on what was happening and what was going to happen.
However, Marianne strongly believes that she heard that 305 turned east, away from Victor 23, over Gresham, Oregon, just after crossing the Columbia River, and continued over the Columbia between Mt. Hood and Mt. Adams.
I’ve had two interviews with Marianne on this subject, and her memory is unclear. At first she was adamant that 305 turned east over Gresham, mentioning it several times. But in the second interview, when we tried to piece together other aspects – such as if the plane voice was different out-bound from Sea-Tac as opposed to the voice in-bound to Sea-Tac as Rataczak told me it was (R. said he handled comm. in-bound and Scotty did out-bound).
I’ve suggested to Marianne that she try some self-hypnosis or candle focus to clear her mind and focus in on these issues, and she said she might.
She also made one more chaneg in the second interview. She said she as listening to Seattle Center, broadcasting out of Auburn, WA, not Sea-Tac Tower itself.
Also:
Her neighbor at Shady Acres was a NWO pilot, whom she suggested I call to get more background info. I talked with him today and he said Rataczak ‘was one of the good guys.” Never flew with him, but he knew him. He didn’t know Scott too well, though.
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I had two fasciating interviews over the weeks that reveal a possible whole new wrinkle in the DB Cooper story that could change everything, at least as how I understand the basic story line.
Here's what I got:
Interview with Marianne Scott Lincoln, August 8, 9, 2009.
Marianne Scott Lincoln is currently running for the School Board in a Pierce County WA district, and I interviewed her for the local newspaper. In the course of our conversation we began talking about my work on the DB Cooper case.
When I mentioned that DB Cooper had demanded $200,000, Marianne interjected and said adamantly, “Not he didn’t. He asked for $400,000 at first."
Startled, I asked her how she knew that.
“I know because I was listening to the radio transmissions from the cockpit to Sea-Tac tower.”
Here’s Marianne’s story.
The DB Cooper skyjacking was underway as she got home from school. Marianne was 14 years old at the time, and lived with her family in a home at Shady Acres Airport in Spanaway, WA. The home was right on the runway and had a hangar. Her family had several aircraft and was part of a very active and large flying community.
When Marianne got home that day she went straight to her father’s workshop in the hangar and turned on his VHF radio. She called family friends at the Thun Field Tower (Pierce County Airport, now) and got the radio frequency for the Sea-Tac Tower.
She tuned in and listened for the next four hours.
At first the transmission were garbled as the Tower had many flights to re-direct, but within 10-20 minutes the radio chatter quieted and for the next few hours she just listened to the transmissions: one voice from the plane (Rataczak’s), and one voice from the Tower.
She said that the plane voice relayed the message that Cooper wanted $400,000. She said that a series of negotiations began then and the radio transmissions were brief and had long pauses of empty quiet. She could only hear one side of the discussion, meaning that the plane voice relayed information back to Cooper or whomever on the plane, then reported back to the Tower. She never heard any of the discussions.
The Tower voice in turn was reporting to others in the Tower, who discussed counter-offers, and the Tower voice then reported the offer to the plane voice. At no time did the plane voice and the Tower voice participate in the negotiations or discussion. They merely acted as mouth-pieces for others.
Marianne never heard what the others were saying, either in the Tower or on the plane.
Also, at no time did anyone from the FBI or CIA get on the radio, as far as Marianne heard.
Marianne listened for hours and said it often got boring. She turned on a TV set and had a second source of information coming in. Her father (named William Scott, BTW, another piece of synchronicity!) also came in, as did a couple other family members.
Marianne doesn’t fully remember if she was still listening when 305 took off from Sea-Tac at 7:30, or when Cooper jumped in the 8:10-8:30 time frame. She thinks she was, but she was also eating dinner with her family, listening to family discussion about Cooper and their speculations on what was happening and what was going to happen.
However, Marianne strongly believes that she heard that 305 turned east, away from Victor 23, over Gresham, Oregon, just after crossing the Columbia River, and continued over the Columbia between Mt. Hood and Mt. Adams.
I’ve had two interviews with Marianne on this subject, and her memory is unclear. At first she was adamant that 305 turned east over Gresham, mentioning it several times. But in the second interview, when we tried to piece together other aspects – such as if the plane voice was different out-bound from Sea-Tac as opposed to the voice in-bound to Sea-Tac as Rataczak told me it was (R. said he handled comm. in-bound and Scotty did out-bound).
I’ve suggested to Marianne that she try some self-hypnosis or candle focus to clear her mind and focus in on these issues, and she said she might.
She also made one more chaneg in the second interview. She said she as listening to Seattle Center, broadcasting out of Auburn, WA, not Sea-Tac Tower itself.
Also:
Her neighbor at Shady Acres was a NWO pilot, whom she suggested I call to get more background info. I talked with him today and he said Rataczak ‘was one of the good guys.” Never flew with him, but he knew him. He didn’t know Scott too well, though.
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Finally got round to watching this movie last night, very funny (if you like your humour offbeat) and I did think a bit of Bruce while watching it 
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/themenwhostareatgoats/
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Regarding the Marianne Scott Lincoln interview,
Shady Acres Airport (3B8) to SEATAC (KSEA) is 23 nautical miles as the crow flies.
I'm going to assume the comms were transmitted via VHF frequencies or simply Line-of-sight.
The height of a 727 is 34 feet. I will assume (not necessarily true) this to be the location for the VHF antennas (highest point).
The VHF range equation is: the square root of 1.5 times antenna height in feet, resulting in transmission distance in miles.
34 (727 antenna height) X 1.5 equals 51 which has a square root of 7.2. If the antenna were mounted on the tail of a 727 the expected line of sight distance would be 7.2 miles.
Perhaps a HAM radio guy could check my work for accuracy and supplement the data with antenna height requirements at a home adjacent to Shady Acres runway. Or not.
Shady Acres Airport (3B8) to SEATAC (KSEA) is 23 nautical miles as the crow flies.
I'm going to assume the comms were transmitted via VHF frequencies or simply Line-of-sight.
The height of a 727 is 34 feet. I will assume (not necessarily true) this to be the location for the VHF antennas (highest point).
The VHF range equation is: the square root of 1.5 times antenna height in feet, resulting in transmission distance in miles.
34 (727 antenna height) X 1.5 equals 51 which has a square root of 7.2. If the antenna were mounted on the tail of a 727 the expected line of sight distance would be 7.2 miles.
Perhaps a HAM radio guy could check my work for accuracy and supplement the data with antenna height requirements at a home adjacent to Shady Acres runway. Or not.
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QuoteRegarding the Marianne Scott Lincoln interview,
Shady Acres Airport (3B8) to SEATAC (KSEA) is 23 nautical miles as the crow flies.
I'm going to assume the comms were transmitted via VHF frequencies or simply Line-of-sight.
The height of a 727 is 34 feet. I will assume (not necessarily true) this to be the location for the VHF antennas (highest point).
The VHF range equation is: the square root of 1.5 times antenna height in feet, resulting in transmission distance in miles.
34 (727 antenna height) X 1.5 equals 51 which has a square root of 7.2. If the antenna were mounted on the tail of a 727 the expected line of sight distance would be 7.2 miles.
Perhaps a HAM radio guy could check my work for accuracy and supplement the data with antenna height requirements at a home adjacent to Shady Acres runway. Or not.
Seatac elevation: 450ft.
Seatac Tower Ht: ?
#305 VHF antenna height: ?
Shady Acrs Apt Elevation: 432.5ft
antenna Ht at Shady acres: ?
Reflection pattern between the two points?
SecTac tower was replaced in 2004~
Old one was 110'
New one is 233'
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
Old one was 110'
New one is 233'
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
QuoteRegarding the Marianne Scott Lincoln interview,
Shady Acres Airport (3B8) to SEATAC (KSEA) is 23 nautical miles as the crow flies.
I'm going to assume the comms were transmitted via VHF frequencies or simply Line-of-sight.
The height of a 727 is 34 feet. I will assume (not necessarily true) this to be the location for the VHF antennas (highest point).
The VHF range equation is: the square root of 1.5 times antenna height in feet, resulting in transmission distance in miles.
34 (727 antenna height) X 1.5 equals 51 which has a square root of 7.2. If the antenna were mounted on the tail of a 727 the expected line of sight distance would be 7.2 miles.
Perhaps a HAM radio guy could check my work for accuracy and supplement the data with antenna height requirements at a home adjacent to Shady Acres runway. Or not.
I have a stupid "woman" question. If these communication were in fact broadcast by VHF (did anyone record them). I would think if Cooper talked to the forward crew - that conversation could have been transmitted by and picked up by VHF radio.
No pictures of Cooper and no voice recordings! If they had just one or two words from Cooper on tape - I would provide a particial recording of a conversation I had with Duane when he was irrational after going on dialysis in 1990.
Explanation of the tape:
For your information and for those who know little about renal dialysis - the chemistry within the body can cause them to act irrationally when first starting diaylsis - his voice at that time (2000) was raspy because of a procedure he they had done on him, but it is still his voice and
the is there is anger involved, because he was still emotionally trying to handle the fact that his life depended on a machine. (This was within the 1st three months of diaylsis).
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I have a stupid "woman" question. If these communication were in fact broadcast by VHF (did anyone record them). I would think if Cooper talked to the forward crew - that conversation could have been transmitted by and picked up by VHF radio.
No pictures of Cooper and no voice recordings! If they had just one or two words from Cooper on tape - I would provide a particial recording of a conversation I had with Duane when he was irrational after going on dialysis in 1990.
Explanation of the tape:
For your information and for those who know little about renal dialysis - the chemistry within the body can cause them to act irrationally when first starting diaylsis - his voice at that time (2000) was raspy because of a procedure he they had done on him, but it is still his voice and
the is there is anger involved, because he was still emotionally trying to handle the fact that his life depended on a machine. (This was within the 1st three months of diaylsis).
No pictures of Cooper and no voice recordings! If they had just one or two words from Cooper on tape - I would provide a particial recording of a conversation I had with Duane when he was irrational after going on dialysis in 1990.
Explanation of the tape:
For your information and for those who know little about renal dialysis - the chemistry within the body can cause them to act irrationally when first starting diaylsis - his voice at that time (2000) was raspy because of a procedure he they had done on him, but it is still his voice and
the is there is anger involved, because he was still emotionally trying to handle the fact that his life depended on a machine. (This was within the 1st three months of diaylsis).
Impossible according to your own info -
Duane was fresh home from Bu Dop and was
skiing with the Kennedy's and Frank Sinatra
in Colorado at the time. You should consult the Denver office for any recordings they have
re- 11-24-71. Coide Name: Soggy Mountain Boys
Go Skiing. [SMBGS-11-24-71.]
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SEATAC's tower is presently 269 feet from grade to antenna tops. This is the new tower which replaced the old system which was 107 feet tall.
305's antenna height is unknown, but the tallest part of the airframe is 34 feet. This would be the maximum theoretical emitter height and provide the most optimistic of results.
The antenna at shady acres is unknown. One could take the 'best of breed' answers from SEATAC and reverse calculate the minimum antenna height required to complete the circuit for the tower and 305 (these would be two different results obviously).
Hope this helps.
305's antenna height is unknown, but the tallest part of the airframe is 34 feet. This would be the maximum theoretical emitter height and provide the most optimistic of results.
The antenna at shady acres is unknown. One could take the 'best of breed' answers from SEATAC and reverse calculate the minimum antenna height required to complete the circuit for the tower and 305 (these would be two different results obviously).
Hope this helps.
Quote
I have a stupid "woman" question. If these communication were in fact broadcast by VHF (did anyone record them). I would think if Cooper talked to the forward crew - that conversation could have been transmitted by and picked up by VHF radio.
No pictures of Cooper and no voice recordings! If they had just one or two words from Cooper on tape - I would provide a particial recording of a conversation I had with Duane when he was irrational after going on dialysis in 1990.
Explanation of the tape:
For your information and for those who know little about renal dialysis - the chemistry within the body can cause them to act irrationally when first starting diaylsis - his voice at that time (2000) was raspy because of a procedure he they had done on him, but it is still his voice and
the is there is anger involved, because he was still emotionally trying to handle the fact that his life depended on a machine. (This was within the 1st three months of diaylsis).
Impossible according to your own info -
Duane was fresh home from Bu Dop and was
skiing with the Kennedy's and Frank Sinatra
in Colorado at the time. You should consult the Denver office for any recordings they have
re- 11-24-71. Coide Name: Soggy Mountain Boys
Go Skiing. [SMBGS-11-24-71.]
Georger your NONSENSE reply makes absolutely no sense in regards to a honest and simple I question asked. At least give me courteous consideration as others do when I ask a question or make no comment at all. I have a battle to fight and I don't need your smart retorts to upset me.
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The radio at at 3B8 was probably sitting on a counter in the work area?QuoteSEATAC's tower is presently 269 feet from grade to antenna tops. This is the new tower which replaced the old system which was 107 feet tall.
305's antenna height is unknown, but the tallest part of the airframe is 34 feet. This would be the maximum theoretical emitter height and provide the most optimistic of results.
The antenna at shady acres is unknown. One could take the 'best of breed' answers from SEATAC and reverse calculate the minimum antenna height required to complete the circuit for the tower and 305 (these would be two different results obviously).
Hope this helps.
Maybe a vertical ant at its side? Something like the
old VHF-WX radios of the time? What comes to my mind as much as antenna heights would be reflection
patterns along the path - VHF sigs often get propogated by reflection beyond their theoretical
limit (straight-line).
M's story sounds like they were listening to 305
while it was still in the air (after C's note had been
read and the cockpit was passing ransom demands along to seatac) - befoe 305 had landed. So what
I want to know is when did M first hear about the
hijacking that she walked in and turned the radio on ?
M says:
" The DB Cooper skyjacking was underway as she got home from school. When Marianne got home that day she went straight to her father’s workshop in the hangar and turned on his VHF radio. She called family friends at the Thun Field Tower (Pierce County Airport, now) and got the radio frequency for the Sea-Tac Tower. She tuned in and listened for the next four hours. "
How did M already know about the hijacking that
she went straight to and turned on the VHF radio
to listen to the HJ events? Had the HJacking
already been announced on the news that she
heard it at school?
Is the time sequence factually possible?
Did Bruce supply the: "went straight to " ?
Is this what M said, without any elaboration?
This has come up before and it is important
in guaging any of these firsthand reports. When
did news break in WA/OR on the 305 Hijacking?
Had news stations broken the story before 305
even landed at SEATAC, or when?
M's report is given 38 years after the fact. She was
14 years old at the time. Her report involves a lot
of technical details.
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Reflectivity.... yeah that must have been it... from two different emitters.... ok then. I was also baffled by the four hour window layered across comms with ARTCC, Approach Control, Tower, Ground and Departure Control, but now realize her single frequency monitoring of those agencies, was no doubt accomplished via harmonics which were fortified with VHF reflectivity. Her story makes complete sense now.
Sorry to have muddied the research efforts.
Sorry to have muddied the research efforts.
M's story sounds like they were listening to 305
while it was still in the air (after C's note had been
read and the cockpit was passing ransom demands along to seatac) - befoe 305 had landed. So what
I want to know is when did M first hear about the
hijacking that she walked in and turned the radio on ?
M says:
" The DB Cooper skyjacking was underway as she got home from school. When Marianne got home that day she went straight to her father’s workshop in the hangar and turned on his VHF radio. She called family friends at the Thun Field Tower (Pierce County Airport, now) and got the radio frequency for the Sea-Tac Tower. She tuned in and listened for the next four hours. "
How did M already know about the hijacking that
she went straight to and turned on the VHF radio
to listen to the HJ events? Had the HJacking
already been announced on the news that she
heard it at school?
Is the time sequence factually possible?
Did Bruce supply the: "went straight to " ?
Is this what M said, without any elaboration?
This has come up before and it is important
in guaging any of these firsthand reports. When
did news break in WA/OR on the 305 Hijacking?
Had news stations broken the story before 305
even landed at SEATAC, or when?
M's report is given 38 years after the fact. She was
14 years old at the time. Her report involves a lot
of technical details.
while it was still in the air (after C's note had been
read and the cockpit was passing ransom demands along to seatac) - befoe 305 had landed. So what
I want to know is when did M first hear about the
hijacking that she walked in and turned the radio on ?
M says:
" The DB Cooper skyjacking was underway as she got home from school. When Marianne got home that day she went straight to her father’s workshop in the hangar and turned on his VHF radio. She called family friends at the Thun Field Tower (Pierce County Airport, now) and got the radio frequency for the Sea-Tac Tower. She tuned in and listened for the next four hours. "
How did M already know about the hijacking that
she went straight to and turned on the VHF radio
to listen to the HJ events? Had the HJacking
already been announced on the news that she
heard it at school?
Is the time sequence factually possible?
Did Bruce supply the: "went straight to " ?
Is this what M said, without any elaboration?
This has come up before and it is important
in guaging any of these firsthand reports. When
did news break in WA/OR on the 305 Hijacking?
Had news stations broken the story before 305
even landed at SEATAC, or when?
M's report is given 38 years after the fact. She was
14 years old at the time. Her report involves a lot
of technical details.
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"Straight to the radio" is what I recall Marianne saying.
I don't know when the news of the hijacking was first broadcast, but that is a good question and I'll seek an answer. Marianne says that she knew about the hijacking while she was riding the school bus home. That would have been about 2:30 pm. I'll double-check with M. and my notes.
Notes, Burnworth, arrest report; June 6, 2010
I have just received a packet of information from Lt. Ray Lunny, the acting PIO for the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Department in California.
The documents concern the arrest of Donald O. Burnworth at the San Francisco International Airport on August 24, 1972.
Burnworth was arrested by Sgt Ken Frank of the SMC Sheriff’s Department in the United Airlines administrative facilities. Apparently, the arrest was quite involved, and Frank says that Burnworth had eluded the police in the central terminal and in United’s medical area. Frank had arrived to assist another cop named Wright and to coordinate the effort of United’s security detail to finally capture Burnworth.
The police were serving a Civil Bench Warrant that was being held by “airport Deputies.”
While at the airport, Frank states that he received a message from the FBI that they wanted to interview Burnworth. An FBI official named Collopy conducted the interview in the office of a Mr. Cottel. Frank states in his report that the subject of the interview was Burnworth’s whereabouts on Thanksgiving.
Burnworth was held in San Mateo County jail, without bail, until September 1, when he was released. When arrested, Burnworth was in the company of a female companion.
At the time of booking, Burnworth was listed as a male Caucasian 5’11” in height, 175 pounds, with brown hair and hazel eye color. His complexion was described as fair, with a medium build.
He was charged with a “Contempt of Court - Civil” violation. During his incarceration, Burnworth appeared in court four times, but details of the proceedings were not part of the packet. However, the court order releasing Burnworth from custody specifies that the charges stemmed from court actions involving his wife, Bernice, and from Burnworth’s statements to me I assume it had to do with child custody.
In addition, Burnworth’s attorney, Ramon Lalli, authorized a reporter from the Redwood City Tribune to interview Don while in jail.
Further, while incarcerated the jail staff had special orders to keep Burnworth isolated; apparently because he was a “civil prisoner.”
Lt. Lunney also sent me Don's booking photographs. I will try to post here.
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Also, X is blogging about Don and this report. He has the photographs posted on his site, along with the initial sketch of DBC from the FBI. The similarity is remarkable, in my view.
http://greygooseadventures.blogspot.com/2009/11/db-cooper-where-are-you.html
I have just received a packet of information from Lt. Ray Lunny, the acting PIO for the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Department in California.
The documents concern the arrest of Donald O. Burnworth at the San Francisco International Airport on August 24, 1972.
Burnworth was arrested by Sgt Ken Frank of the SMC Sheriff’s Department in the United Airlines administrative facilities. Apparently, the arrest was quite involved, and Frank says that Burnworth had eluded the police in the central terminal and in United’s medical area. Frank had arrived to assist another cop named Wright and to coordinate the effort of United’s security detail to finally capture Burnworth.
The police were serving a Civil Bench Warrant that was being held by “airport Deputies.”
While at the airport, Frank states that he received a message from the FBI that they wanted to interview Burnworth. An FBI official named Collopy conducted the interview in the office of a Mr. Cottel. Frank states in his report that the subject of the interview was Burnworth’s whereabouts on Thanksgiving.
Burnworth was held in San Mateo County jail, without bail, until September 1, when he was released. When arrested, Burnworth was in the company of a female companion.
At the time of booking, Burnworth was listed as a male Caucasian 5’11” in height, 175 pounds, with brown hair and hazel eye color. His complexion was described as fair, with a medium build.
He was charged with a “Contempt of Court - Civil” violation. During his incarceration, Burnworth appeared in court four times, but details of the proceedings were not part of the packet. However, the court order releasing Burnworth from custody specifies that the charges stemmed from court actions involving his wife, Bernice, and from Burnworth’s statements to me I assume it had to do with child custody.
In addition, Burnworth’s attorney, Ramon Lalli, authorized a reporter from the Redwood City Tribune to interview Don while in jail.
Further, while incarcerated the jail staff had special orders to keep Burnworth isolated; apparently because he was a “civil prisoner.”
Lt. Lunney also sent me Don's booking photographs. I will try to post here.
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Also, X is blogging about Don and this report. He has the photographs posted on his site, along with the initial sketch of DBC from the FBI. The similarity is remarkable, in my view.
http://greygooseadventures.blogspot.com/2009/11/db-cooper-where-are-you.html
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QuoteReflectivity.... yeah that must have been it... from two different emitters.... ok then. I was also baffled by the four hour window layered across comms with ARTCC, Approach Control, Tower, Ground and Departure Control, but now realize her single frequency monitoring of those agencies, was no doubt accomplished via harmonics which were fortified with VHF reflectivity. Her story makes complete sense now.
Sorry to have muddied the research efforts.
You havent muddled anything - only added valuable input! Dont be surprised if 377 changes some of
this. He has a lot better handle on vhf propogation
than I do, and he may say reflectivty was a weak
contributor. We also dont know her antenna type and height, the kind of bldg she was in ... etc.
Im rather anxious for 377 to add his thoughts,
or anyone else also.
I tend to think she/they heard something. She
was only 14. Maybe adults were there inturpreting
making comments she remembers.
Im glad I dragged this out of the files, following
the Janet report. There may be a few other reports
like this down the road if my works goes well next
week. I have been so busy I havent had time to make calls and Jerry is waiting on me to make those
calls - sorry Jerry. I will get this done soon.
I know that it's common for crews while on the ground to switch the comm to cockpit speaker.
I have always wondered about that. Every person
Ive ever asked (who is supposed to know, like Ckret)
said flat-out no, but I still wonder ...